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A60380 The judgment of the fathers concerning the doctrine of the Trinity opposed to Dr. G. Bull's Defence of the Nicene faith : Part I. The doctrine of the Catholick Church, during the first 150 years of Christianity, and the explication of the unity of God (in a Trinity of Divine Persons) by some of the following fathers, considered. Smalbroke, Thomas.; Nye, Stephen, 1648?-1719. 1695 (1695) Wing S4000; ESTC R21143 74,384 80

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