Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	ghost_n	holy_a	son_n	5,168	5	5.9174	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A15057	An ansvvere to the Ten reasons of Edmund Campian the Iesuit in confidence wherof he offered disputation to the ministers of the Church of England, in the controuersie of faith. Whereunto is added in briefe marginall notes, the summe of the defence of those reasons by Iohn Duræus the Scot, being a priest and a Iesuit, with a reply vnto it. Written first in the Latine tongue by the reuerend and faithfull seruant of Christ and his Church, William Whitakers, Doctor in Diuinitie, and the Kings Professor and publike reader of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Cambridge. And now faithfully translated for the benefit of the vnlearned (at the appointment and desire of some in authoritie) into the English tongue; by Richard Stocke, preacher in London. ...; Ad Rationes decem Edmundi Campiani Jesuitæ responsio. English	Whitaker, William, 1548-1595.; Campion, Edmund, Saint, 1540-1581. Rationes decem. English.; Stock, Richard, 1569?-1626.; Whitaker, William, 1548-1595. Responsionis ad Decem illas rationes.; Durie, John, d. 1587. Confutatio responsionis Gulielmi Whitakeri ad Rationes decem. Selections.	1606 (1606)	STC 25360; ESTC S119870	383,859	364

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cap._n 25._o but_o a_o quality_n contrary_n to_o the_o virtue_n of_o the_o soul_n augustine_n sin_n augustine_n dur_fw-la augustine_n will_v accuse_v you_o for_o slander_v he_o because_o he_o speak_v not_o of_o sin_n but_o of_o concupiscence_n which_o he_o account_v to_o be_v no_o sin_n whit._n pag._n 576._o do_v augustine_n account_n concupiscence_n no_o sin_n why_o then_o call_v he_o it_o a_o affection_n of_o a_o evil_a quality_n why_o do_v he_o compare_v it_o to_o a_o disease_n why_o do_v he_o demand_v the_o question_n how_o concupiscence_n shall_v remain_v in_o the_o regenerate_a who_o sin_n be_v all_o remit_v if_o it_o be_v not_o a_o sin_n his_o answer_v prove_v it_o yet_o more_o full_o for_o he_o say_v concupiscence_n be_v remit_v in_o baptism_n not_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v no_o sin_n at_o all_o as_o you_o will_v have_v it_o but_o that_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v impute_v for_o a_o sin_n if_o it_o be_v no_o sin_n how_o can_v it_o be_v impute_v for_o a_o sin_n final_o august_n 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to_o be_v unrighteousness_n if_o it_o be_v right_o judge_v of_o now_o he_o that_o call_v our_o rigeteousnes_n unrighteousness_n what_o say_v he_o else_o then_o that_o which_o luther_n say_v that_o there_o be_v some_o sin_n in_o every_o good_a work_n this_o paradox_n therefore_o luther_n learn_v our_o of_o the_o scripture_n and_o ancient_a father_n but_o to_o come_v to_o your_o slender_a reason_n if_o thou_o take_v a_o wife_n thou_o sin_v not_o i_o answer_v here_o be_v a_o fallacy_n for_o we_o say_v not_o to_o marry_v a_o wise_a be_v sin_n but_o that_o they_o who_o marry_v wife_n intermix_v some_o sin_n in_o that_o good_a action_n and_o to_o the_o place_n of_o s._n peter_n i_o say_v that_o there_o you_o use_v also_o a_o fallacy_n for_o to_o fall_v in_o that_o place_n signify_v to_o fall_v away_o whole_o and_o altogether_o from_o grace_n and_o salvation_n for_o the_o place_n of_o s._n john_n we_o mean_v not_o that_o good_a work_n be_v sin_n but_o that_o they_o have_v some_o sin_n mix_v 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