priviledges Ans. 1. When Mr. H. saith it belongeth not to remote Parents 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and fistly to convey Covenant right to the children he would make the Reader believe that remote Parents have some causative influence but not primary as the first subject But the truth is if the nearest parent be the adequate cause of conveyance as â—e saith then shall he not leave any influence at all to remote parents 2. It is not the nearest parent as visibly in the covenant of grace but as visibly in Church-covenant Independent wise by Mr. H. his Doctrine for saith Mr. H. ibid. the next parents can give the priviledge and title to Baptism without any help of the predâ—â—â—ssoâ— Hence 1. more weight is laid upon the Church-covenant than upon the Covenant of Grace and the Traditions of men are heightned above the Gospel and command of God For suppose that Iudas Magus Iezabel who are under the Church-covenant be never discovered nor judicially cast out they convey covenant-right to Baptism But 1. These of approved godliness and visible Saints who cannot in conscience submit to their Church-covenant are secluded from the Seals and their seed from Baptism as the places in the margin clear and Magus and Iezabel their children are admitted to Baptism for the new Church-covenant and others famously known to be godly to the Brethren of the congregational way and who bring sufficient testimonial with them as their own words are though the testimonial be from private Christians yet because the testimonial is not from a Church a Church known to them to be under a Church-covenant either implicitly or explicitly are not admitted to Church-ordinances and so neither their seed to Baptism 2. Godly so journers known to be such and visible members broken off from Church-membership through no sin or scandal in them but either through violence of persecution or some stroke of judgement as Pestilence that hath scattered them and removed the Elders by death can have no Baptism to their children though they be visibly in the Covenant of Grace yet the seed of Magus and Iezabel upon the sole account of the Church-covenant so that opus operaâ—um the deed done the want of the formality of their membership without the contempt reigns here as in Popery 3. Then by this they cannot have a wedding-garment to mens discerning who are not inchurched their way 4. They are not in the Covenant of Grace nor the visibly called of God Nor 5. Members visible of Christs Body but as Pagans and Publicans who are not thus inchurched in the nearest parent and their seed unclean and Pagan-seed 6. Then the seals were never administred according to the Rule of the Gospel until the Independent Churches arose 7. Nor can Egypt Assyria the Kingdoms of the world be the Kingdoms of of the Lord and of his Son Christ as Isa. 19. 25. 2. 1 3. Rev. 11. 15. except onely in the nearest father and mother inchurched by the Church-covenant The â—â—ed of the Gentiles and their offspring blessed of the Lord Isa. 61. 9. their seed and their seeds seed Isa. 59. 21. the enduring seed of Christ Psa. 89 29 36. Isa. 53. 10. Gen. 13. 15. Isa. 45 25 by our Brethrens way are but onely the nearest sons and daughters of the onely nearest father and mother in Church covenant So Christ is not Davids seed for David was not I judge his nearest father according to the flesh When it is said the seed of the godly is blessed Psal. 37. 26. his seed is mighty on earth Psâ—â— 12. 2. it must be onely his nearest sons and daughters not the thousand generations Exod. 20. And when it is said Praise him all ye seed of Iacob Psal. 22. v. 23. none are then invited to praise God but the nearest sons and daughters of the nearest parents for our Brethren from whence is the marrow of Mr. H. his Book tell us the 1 Corinth 7. 14. seems to limit the foederal sanctity or holiness to the children whose next parents one or both were believers for if we go one degree beyond the next parents we might baptize the children of all the Turks and of all the Indians and if so all the huge multitude of sons and daughters coming in to the Church that make an eternal excellency Isa. 60 4 15. and the joy of many generations who shall inherit the land for ever v. 21. to whom the Lord shall be an everlasting light v. 19. shall be the children onely whose next parents one or both are believers But we think the second Command Exod. 20. takes the Brethren off that Scripture 8. And such ups and downs and leaping like Locusts and Frogs from earth to water and from water to earth hath not been heard for how often are Independent members in the Covenant of Grace and Christians and out of it again as Pagans and their seed Pagans and their seeds seed Pagans If all the fastning of an everlasting covenant to a Kingdom be onely nearest parents and if they break the Charters of Heaven all Covenant-mercies are cancelled to the seed and the seeds seed 9. If we speak with Scripture the adequate cause of covenant love to fathers and sons is the free grace of God Deut. 7. 7 8. 10. 15 2 Sam. 7. 23. 24. Luke 1. 50 68 69. Eph. 2. 4. the conveying subordinate cause is sometime a family as Abraham not as a physical parent onely to convey the covenant-right onely in the direct blood threed or blood-line from parent to childe but as both Physical and Moral or Oeconomick parent for Abraham getteth the covenant-charter given to him and not onely to his blood-seed but to strangers and servants born under him to the sons of his servants Gen. 17. 7. 12. It s given to Cornelius and his house Act. 10. 48. 16. 33. sometimes to Samaria a great city Act. 8. to Macedonia to a great kingdom Exod. 3â— I am the God of thy fathers the God of Abraham Now Abraham was not their next parent Deut. 10. 11. He gives the land promised to the fathers Luke 1. 72. He saved us to perform the mercy promised to our fathers v. 73. to remember his holy covenant v. 74. The oath which he sware to our father Abraham Acts 2. The promise v. 39. is to you and to your children What onely to your nearest children yea to all that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call 2 Cor. 6 16. I will be their God and they shall be my people according to that I will be thy God and the God of thy seed Gen. 17. 7. Either must this fail in the New Testament or we have no more right to the promises made to Abraham then the children of Pagans have for if their nearest parent believe they have covenant right but that is but a yesterdays charter yea though the children do worse and corrupt themselves more than their fathers
10 c. but it followeth not therefore such give a being to their ordinances There is a difference between being a Pastor and being a fixed Pastor to this people Page 74. What being ordination confers See Book of Ecclesiastick Discipline at Geneva M. DCXXX page 65 66. The specifick acts of calling men to the Ministery ascribed to Ministers but never in Scripture to unofficed brethren prove our ordination 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Page 86. Page 82 83. Par. 1. c. 8. pag. 89 90 91. Page 89. There is an Independent Church in a family Surv. par 3. 6. 2. Conc. 2. page 13. Augustine dreamed not that Baptisme is only right administred in a single congregation but in the Catholick congregation or Church Contra Donatistas de Baptismate l. 1. c. 11. Non iis itaque dicimus nolite dare Baptisnium sed nolite in schismate dare nec iis quos videntur baptizaturi dicimus nolite accipere sed nolite in schismate accipere ubicunque vel in hae vel in illa congregatione invenit baptismum non hominum sed Dei esse cognovit c. The nearest Parents while they are made the only conveyers of grace the Church covenant of men is preferred to the covenant of Grace Ans. to the 32 quest ans to the 10 quest p. 28 29 30. Ans. to 32 qu. to 〈◊〉 qu. p. 7 8. in which they prevaricate Ans. to 12 qu. p. 39 40. Ans. to 6. pag. 21 22. Ans. to 7. 22. 23. Ans. to qu. 10. q. 10. p. 28 29. The woful evils of making the nearest parent the only conveyer of covenant right to the childreÌ„ See Tostat. Abulens in Exod. c. 34. in v. 6. Gen. 9. 10. The covenanted seed so often mentioned in Scripture must be onely the children of the nearest parent believing the rest must be Pagans Ans. to quest 7. pag. 22. If you can give us a sufficient answer to take us off from that Scripture 1 Cor. 7. c. The adequate cause of covenant-covenant-love from fathers to children is free grace The covenant that the Lord will be our God must extend further than to the nearest seed Calvin Instit. l. 11. c 8. sect 20. Promissio de propagandâ in mille generationes Dei misericordiâ quae etiam frequenter in Scripturis occurrit in solenni Ecclesiae soedere inseriâ—ur Ero Deus tuus feminis 〈◊〉 post â—e Perkins in 2 Com. â—â—lv ib. Quia non perpetuam hic figere regulam voluit legislator quae suae electioni derogaâ—et Zanch. tom 4. l. 1. de secundo Praecepto cap. 14. p. 375. Unde etiam apparet non esse verum quod quidam ex hoc loco colligunt nimirum â—orum parentum qui à foedere exclusi sunt propter suas scilicet iniquitates def ctionem à Deo eorum etiam liberos exclusos esse pugnat hoc non solum cum aeterna electione ut dictum est sed etiam cum promissione facta Abrahae 17. ero Deus tuis seminis tui post te in generationibus sempiternis promissio fit Abrahae semini ejus ergo eorum qui à semine Abrahae nemo à foedere hoc excludebatur etiamsi ex proximis parentibus impiis idololatris natus esset ratio est quia intermedii patentes impli continuationem foederis in liberis non impediebant Rom. 11. Quid enim si quidam non crediderunt c. Ps. 85. 8 9 10. Heb. 3. 17. Judg 9. 19. Ezek. 2. 3. 2 Chron. 36. 14 15 16. Mr. H. denies covenant right to baptism to Infants as Anabaptists do because they do not actually love obey God Yea Infants of Turks come to age if they actually love actually obey God and by faith lay hold on his covenaÌ„t the Lord extends mercy to them Iâ— 56. 4 5 6 7 thin infants have nothing by nearest or remote parents but what they have without them Survey par 3. 〈◊〉 2. p. 15 16. Way of the Churches of N. E. c. 4. sec. 6. p. 87. Way of the Churches ib. c. 4. sect 6. p. â—8 Mr. H. his exposition of the second Command overturns the gracious intent and sense of the Lord in both threatning and promise Surv. par 3. c. 2 page 16. Par. 3 pag. 18. When and how the posterity are cast off Par. 3. pag. 20. Par. 3. c. 3. pag. 41. Two new Judicatures one dogmatical or official by the Officers another Juridical by the male-Church must be an unwarrantable 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Union or division among associate churches say the associate churches must make up one visible body Survey par 4. p. 2. par 1. c. 13. p. 230 238. Reasons of the Dissenting Brethren pag. 118 119 120. Surv. Par. 4. c. 1. p. 6. Mr. H. his mistake as touching the burthens of the acts of Synods which is that they tie the conscience only as the godly counsels of women tie men M Cotton of the keys c. 6. p. 25. Preface to the Treatise of the Keys Socin contra Gabr. Ementropium c. 1. p. 7. Socin Res. 11. ad Resp. Andr. Volam Nullis deinceps hominibus c. Smalcius Ref. lib. de Error Aria 1 c. 1. p. 6. Qui vult sensum Scripturae ab illis peti qui post Apostolos vixerunt dum hoc facit tacitè deserit Scripta Apostolica c. Epist. ad 3. th 8 disp 26. th 10. disp 32. th 1. Remonst Apol. c. 25. fol. â—94 fol. 282 283. Armin. disp 58. n. 3. Paper anno 164â— S p. 13. The dissenting Brethren of the famous Synod at â—estm their judgement of Synods and Presbyteries Mr. Baily in his vindicat ann 1655. p. 48. If Synods have no jurisdiction heretical Elders of a congregation as he solidly saith Arrius Macedonius are safe from all censures to the worlds end Par. 4. p 7. 8. It is the Law of nature that the part be ruled by the where in the general not in every particular The division of a Christian Nation into Provinces territories Presbyteries is neither a device of men simply noâ— simply a divine institution but a mixt ordinance Page 6 7. Par. 4 p. 10. Mr. H. his mistake of individual moral acts and the mixture in them D. Ames fresh suit against D. Eurgâ—s Didoclavius altar Damasc. c. 9. p. 495 496 497. Hieron Ep. ad Aug. in Epist. August 11. Bonum est continentia malum est luxu iâ— inter utrumque indifferens ambulare capitis naribus purgamenta projicere Scotus in 2 dist sen. 7. q. unic Thom. 1. par q. 103. q. 13. art 8. Lombard 2 dist 40. Durand l. 2. dist 40. q. 1. not 6. Siactus sequatur rationem deliberatam sic impossibile est aliquem actum esse indifferentem sed necessariò quilibet est bonus vel malus moraliter quia ordinatur ad finem debitum à ratione deliberatâ Gregor de Valent. Tom. 2. disp 2. q. 13. de bonit maliâ— act hum puncto 6. Omnis actio à deliberatâ ratione
neither per se nor per participationem as the Sun and Stars are neither hot nor cold either firstly or secondarily for they are Aristotle saith Corpora quintae essentiae bodies of a fifth essence different from the elements and all mixed bodies Mr. H. p. 42 43. The Olive tree is the prime subject of the fatness that issues from it and appertains to it and of all the Ordinances But the visible Church Rom. 11. is the Olive the seals and other priviledges are part of the fatness which pertains thereunto Therefore the visible Church is the prime subject of them That the Olive is the visible Church see Beza Pareus Willet Ans. 1. Will Mr. H. bide by this Conclusion That the visible Church including rotten Magus trayterous Iudas is the prime subject of all saving priviledges of the new heart Gods inward heart-teaching perseverance c Then by his own argument Magus and the visible body whereof he is a graceless member as visible must be first qualified inherently with all these saving priviledges as heat is firstly saith he in the fire and then Justification Perseverance in grace must be transferred from such an ugly body as Magus Iudas c. to real and invisible believers 2. The Assumption is false Reade again Calvin Beza Pareus adde Pet. Martyr The English Notes Diodati they expound not the Olive of the visible Church onely as contradistinguished from the invisible as Mr. H. takes the visible Church in this dispute as it includes the whole visible Israel even Idolaters who slew the Prophets and the Heir But the Church visible including the Election Rom. 11. 7. and also the invisible and really justified and by fatness they mean not onely external priviledges which the rotten hypocrites wanted not but the juyce and sap of saving grace by which saith Pet. Martyr They that are far off are made nigh Ephes. 2. 12 14. and were engrafted in the Head and Body saith Pareus yea Willet citeth Gorham and Lyra who expound the fatness of habitual grace Mr. H. Let Mr. R. remember he said lib. 2. pag. 260. None are to be cast out for non-regeneration known to be such But if ye give them the seals saith Mr. H. the Church shall give the seals to such whom she knows have no right to them Ans. Mr. H. himself is alike burthened with this as I am A toleration there must be of some until the scandals be examined and Censures applied and the Church knows men to be unregenerated many dayes before they can know it juridicè Let Mr. H. then answer whether they should be debarred from the seals or not 2. If such were admitted being free of scandal it follows not its a poor begging of the question that the Church should admit to the seals such as she knows hath no right Why because they are not in the judgement of charity real converts that is non causa pro causa no cause Mr. H. Mr. R. puts the formalis ratio the essential reason of Offices and Officers in another subject besides the visible Church in the invisible Catholick Church convertibly or reciprocally and universally Whatsoever hath these priviledges to wit Offices Officers Seals right to the Seals c. is the invisible Catholick Church And onely the invisible Catholick Church Ergo not the visible hath all these priviledges If Mr. R. rid his hands c. it s good Ans. Mr. H. hath two pages near by of this of which whether I have rid my hands let the judicious Reader determine Know Reader that Mr. H. will have all priviledges external Offices Officers Seals and right Ecclesiastick which is formally a painted bastard right in the visible Church onely as its first subject I rid my hands of this by granting it take the visible Church in a good sense as including good and bad nor said I ever any thing to the contrary But these are not the saving priviledges of special note such as to be taught of God to persevere in saving grace c. as I oft say p. 244 245 c. And though Mr. H. his priviledges to be an Apostle or another Officer to have right external to the seals a bastard right agree to the visible Church yea to Iudas and Magus they being gratiae gratis datae yet saving priviledges the anointing the new heart Justification Perseverance the styles of Spouse Sister Love Dove c. are such as I desire Mr. H. to rid his hands and to clear the coasts to us by his answer to my words Due right par 1. pag. 244 245. divers pages how these agree reciprocally to his visible Church I take but some few The single Congregatinn of such as Magus and Peter c. is the first and reciprocal and proper subject of the anointing of justification and perseverance And convertibly All that have the anointing are justified persevere are onely the single independent Congregation of such as Magus and Peter c. What then will Mr H. do with his own that are both visibly and invisibly justified regenerate who by persecution or pestilence are broken from the Independent Church Shall they not share of the anointing because they are not Members of the single Congregation This is hard measure to the godly and bad Divinity This is not good Logick that therefore Mr. R. must shew some other essential causes of Offices and Officers besides the invisible Church He must mean the visible Church of which Magus is a Member I know in Logick that the subject is an essential cause of an accident Subjectum sumitur in dâ—finitione per additamentum I learned long ago And for the close the society the saving priviledges of the new heart perseverance is the invisible Church and all that have these the anointing perseverance c. is the invisible mystical true Church I own this reciprocation as new Logick though let not the Reader mistake I take invisible as opposed to visible in its latitude as it takes in both believing Peter and the hypocrite Magus yet so as the visible Church is so named to wit a true visible Church from the choicest part but not as invisible is opposed to visible tali modo both visible and sincere for the Catholick Church invisible is also the Catholick Church visible to wit tali modo in a sincere profession visible CHAP. XIX Mr. H. his formal cause of a Church visible or Church confederating is considered Mr. H. We have done with the material cause Now we come to the formal cause of the visible Church The faithful whether they be seemingly or sincerely such scattered up and down the earth are like stones in the streets or timber in the field they may have a communion by faith by which they are an invisible Body Mystical but until they meet together in one place and have right to all the Ordinances there and be confederate by a Church-Covenant which gives the formality to these Churches they are not visible
26 27. Rom. 10. 9. 2. If this be a Gospel ordinance give us Scripture for it 3. Dissolved members are never loosed from Church-warning comforting rebuking otherwise they were not to gaine their brethren 4. Christ by no hint or shadow layes the duty of gaining a brother upon our membership with single Congregations a thing of order and providential necessity but upon brotherhood Mat. 11. If thy brother trespass against thee c. Now he is as near my brother who is of another Congregation or a dissolved member as he who is my Congregational Brother 5. The inclosed gainable trespassing bretheren within the pinfold of a single Congregation seem to make onely the Congregation the visible Kingdom of Christ the Scripture teaching Nations the Kindreds and Kingdoms of the world to be his Rev 11. 15. Rev. 2. 1 2 3. Ps. 22. 27 28. Ps. 72. 3 4 5 6. Ps. 2 8 9. Isa. 60. 1 2 3 c. It is true Christ exerciseth his Ministerial power as King in Congregations yea and in Synods also saith Mr. Cotton 2. The oneness of his visible body is larger then a Congregation 1 Cor. 10. 17. 1 Cor 12. 12 13 c. Mr. H. That a Minister swear an oath of fidelity saith Mr. R. to the flock a Father a Master to discharge duties to Children and Servants is lawful but to tye the essence of a Minister Father Master to this oath so that he is no Minister before he thus swear is to lay bâ—nds where Christ hath laid none and will-worship Ans. The instance of a Father because it results upon a rule of nature without any free consent required is not to the purpose the other two cuts the throat of Mr. Râ— cause can any charge another to be his servant without mutual engagement that which makes a man a Pastor to this people is the free choice of the people we do not make the swearing to do our duty to be our covenant a witness ties himself by oath to tell the truth in a Court here is no covenant between man and man at all Those are to be distinguished 1. An agreement of persons to combine and associate 2. The doing of these duties 3. The swearing they will do them the first is the form of the Corproation the other two may be done after they be combined Ans. 1. The instance brought by me is as well of a moral father as a natural father and his either agreeing by promise or oath to the people makes him not a Pastor a Pastor to them is another thing nor doth the election of the people make a Pastor the ordination of the Elders by prayer makes him a Pastor Act. 6. 6. 1 Tim. 5. 22. 2 Tim. 2. 2. 2. The being a Pastor to the people doth not make a Pastor for it is but actus secundus the exercise of his calling not the essence of the Minister 3. The man doth tender the Lords Supper which is a specifick and proper act of a Pastor and that warrantably to these who are of another Congregation and never chused him for their Pastor 2. The other two hurt not the truth I desire not to plead mine own cause a man is made a servant to a master by mutual agreement true Ergo a Minister is made an Embassador Pastor and Servant of Christ by the election of the people it follows not for were he a servant in relation to the people onely this were something but the peoples chusing of him hath not any influence at all in the essence of a Pastor 3. My Argument proves that swearing as it includes a free agreement to the duties of a Father Moral or Officer or Master or Pastor doth not make the man a Father a Master a Pastor especially when the man is Father servant of Christ and Pastor habitu and actu primo to all the Churches on earth before he agree to be Father and Pastor to this Congregation as I thus illustrate a free City appoint four men fearing God to be Rulers or Bailiffes to them the City divides it self into four quarters the first quarter agreeth with such a man to rule them The next quarter agreeth with the second to rule and so do the rest Now no man can say this first quarter made the man a Magistrate for the whole City made all the four of private men to be publick Magistrates and quarters by agreement did only appropriate their labours to them So Titio covenants with a Mason with a Gardener to build him a House and plant him a Vineyard yet this agreement makes neither the one a Mason nor the other a Gardener for they were such before nor doth the sick mans chusing of such a Physician to cure him make the man a Physician Any man knows that the people call and chuse Epaphroditus not that they may make him a gracious and an able Minister but because they discerned him to be such therefore they chused him 4. A Witness who swears to tell the truth engageth covenant-wise to tell the truth though the engagement be put upon him by the command of the Judge Mr. H. Neither the incestuous Corinthian 2 Cor. 2. 73 74. saith Mr. R. nor these 3000. Act. 2. nor Samaria nor any planted Churches of Ephesus Acts 19. of Corinth Acts 18. Berea Philippi Thessalonica Rome give any hint of a Church-covenant Ans. The Churches forgiving and confirming of their love to the incestuous Corinthian was a receiving of him of new to covenant had his profession at large made him a member he had been a member whether the Church received him or not or had baptism made him a member that remaining he should have been a member a disfranchised man is so received by Covenant anew to City-priviledges Ans. 1. Nothing is answered to these celebrious Samplar-Churches planted without this new covenant 2. One excommunicate for a particular scandal as the incestuous Corinthian was retaining some profession retaineth some membership and is onely deprived of Church-honour and of some Ordinances 3. But of Baptism before 4. The forgiving of that man may say somewhat to the restoring of him to the priviledges of the Covenant of Grace but nothing of a Church-covenant 5. The civil Corporations way of re-admitting disfranchised members is no binding Rule to the Church of God Mr. H. There is no word of Church-covenant in these places Acts 2. it follows not Ergo it is not in the word Ans. The consequence is not valid from particular Negatives but if there be no Covenant in any place where mention is made of planting of Churches it holds well Heb. 7. 14. Moses who in his writings speaks of all sorts of Priests spake nothing concerning Priesthood in the Tribe of Iudah Ergo there is no Priest of that Tribe And there is no hint in Scripture where the sacrifice of Christ is spoken of that there is any ungodly sacrifice Ergo say our Divines the sacrifice of the Mass
absundity to say She destroyeth her own Ministerial feeding her own sacramental communion by which she is one body with all the Saints on earth as the Brethren grant and its sure from 1 Cor. 10. 16 17. 12. 13. as touching any spiritual well-being and feeding by these wretched feeders but they have no authority to do it I see no inconvenience why a Corporation may not out and lay aside all their Aldermen and Major if they turn Lions and Leopards and so destroy the present individual Government while they labour their own safety and the safety of their priviledges But the case is not alike except Mr. H. prove That the Church of believers hath the same positive power of Government intrinsecal without their officers and onely fathers who begat them to Christ to use the Keyes and formally to excommunicate them as a free City hath over their Magistrates 2. If the officers die sure the organical Church dies and the organical and the ministerial and politick essence of that visible Church as it is totum integrale dies 2. I retort the Argument When the Church of the Jews Acts 13. 18. turns heretical and blasphemes and refuses to be the married wife I speak in our Brethrens language if the Church of officers reject them and turn to others it shall not follow 1. That the officers destroy their own husbandly power while they labour their own preservation which is the great absurdity that Mr. H. puts upon Mr. R. as enough to cast the cause 2. Shall it follow That the officers without the people or governing without yea contrary to their consent is a true visible Church in no sort Mr. H. When the tents are removed they are not the shepherds tents to remove the candlestick is to remove the Ministery and remove all the Officers the Church is not a body visible eating one bread 1 Cor. 10. 16 17. So Mr. R. But Mr. H. answers Yet they are called tents fit to receive shepherds and are the same they were before the shepherds were chosen and remain the same To remove the candlestick is to remove the Ministery because Ministery and Ministers have their dependence on the Church destroy the man the whole you destroy the parts but it holds not contrariwise its true in a Ministerial Church i. e. an organicum totum when you take away any part you lame the integrity of it but you dedestroy not the essence of it as it is totum essentiale Ans. It is enough to me if ye remove all Officers and Shepherds it is no ruling Church though the fitness of choice which is no act of government do still remain yet the fitness to ordain and to excommunicate remains not for they never had it Luke distinguishes the one from the other Acts 6. 3 5. the multitude 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 chused not the Apostles but the twelve Apostles not the multitude ordained them by praying and laying on of hands v 6. as the Elders do and they only in the New Testament 1 Tim. 4. 14. 1 Tim. 5. 22. 2. It is good that Mr. H. grants that to remove the Candlestick is to remove the ministâ—…y I hope he means the shining burning and guiding Ministers and Watchmen 1 Tim. 3. 1 2. Mat. 5. 14. Ioh. 5. 35. But in the other page 91 32. It is cross to all mens apprehensions saith he that the Candlestick should include Candles and Lamps 3. Nor is it true in Mr. H. his way that to remove the candlestick is to remove the Ministry for there remaineth a preaching and a praying Church which is at the ordaining of Officers and sending them Act. 1â—15 6. 24. Act. 13. 1 2 3. Act. 6. 6. which doth only make and unmake officers saith Mr. H. 4. Destroy the whole saith he and you destroy the parts but it holds not contrariwise why not contrariwise if you destroy all the parts otherwise the Logick is naught take away eyes and ears and hands and feet and all the integral parts or all the essential parts and you destroy the whole in any sense too much of this Logick Mr. H. gives us 5. Take away saith he in an Organick or Ministerial body a member you lame the integrity Now the ministry and officers are removed by the people because they are heretical as Mr. H. teacheth page 90. I pray you remains there a ministerial or organick body no saith M. H. there remains a homogeneous body 4. Take away any part you lame the integrity take then away the ministry you lame the body O Logick the ministry is a separable adjunct to Mr. H. page 92. Here it is an integral part is an integral part an adjunct is the eye an adjunct of the organical body is the integrity hurt because a separable adjunct is removed 5. Nor is this true take away any part in an organical body and you lame the integrity it is only true of an organical part not of any part take away ten members believers only the Church remaineth an entire and unlamed integral body let ten free members of a City be removed by death yet the City remains an unmaimed entire body of Citizens ruled by Major and Aldermen 6. Remove the ministry the essence and organical body remaineth not Mr. H. That which is added is more beside the cause It is granted where Officers are not there is no communion of the Sacraments is there therefore no Church-communion Ans. If this communion be removed there is no communion of the Church which being many members is one body 1 Cor. 10. 16 17. 12. 12 13. And what reason but a Church and the only instituted visible Church in the new Testament as the book of Discipline of N. E. makes it should be a complete Church in being and operation and partake of all Church-communion though it want the officers which are to Mr. H. but poor harmless separable adjuncts page 92. and this is somewhat for the cause M. H. We have done now with the first Quere and made it clear That this Church is before all Officers and may be without them Ans. So Mr. H. hath done and made it as clear as midnight darkness with whole two Arguments the one whereof is a poor Grammatication and scarce that and the other a begging of the question that there is a ruling Church before and without officers which may make and unmake officers CHAP. II. Of the Nature and Being of a Presbyterial Church Mr. H. The qualification of the Church as totum essentiale in the order and prâ—cedency of it in regard of her true Officers we have dispatched Now we speak of it in comparison with a Presbyterian Church Ans. Let not then the Reader exprest any visible Church organical to be spoken of Organs are but separable adjuncts the only Church spoken of and acknowledged by Mr. H. and our brethren is an homogeneal Church of onely believers which Mr. H. now calls the Church before
of Christ by faith make one body and that he excludes not but includes the visible body he proves from 1 Cor. 12. ye are the body of Christ and Eph. 4. the body gathered by the Ministry of Apostles Evangelists Pastors c. which shall be brought to the unity of faith So Christ is the rock of life and the rock of faith to the Church builded upon the rock which admits not Magns who is not builded upon the rock as Ioh. Hush refused a wicked Pope to be head or member of the Church so built Hieronymus clearly expounds the ports of Hell to be Viâ—ia atque peccata reâ—r vâ—l certè 〈◊〉 Doctrinas sins or herefies which is strong for the invisibâ—e Church of true believers not for the visible congregation of which Iudas and Magus are members to Mr. Hooker and were never built on the rock And the Keyes are given to Bishops and Presbyters who may not under that pretence condemn the innocent And Hieron Com. Mat. 18. 18. Si Ecclesiam non audierit quaecunque alligaveritis potestatem tribuit Apostolis ut sciant qui à 〈◊〉 condeâ—nantur humanam sententiam divinâ roborari quodcunque ligatum fuerit in terra ligari pariter in coelâ— See Hieronym Com. ad Eph. 4. 11. who expounds the body of Christ of the Church until we all meet all the company of believers And Hâ—eron Let the Bishops hear who have power of ordaining Elders in every City Nor need our Brethren suspect Hieronymus to be prelatical his judgment is known to be contrary thereunto See Hieron in Tit. 1. 5. See him for the present purpose in Opuscul in Prover c. 7 p. 217. See Ruffinus for the marks of the true Church saying with us That pure doctrine declares a pure Church and so the Churches which Marcion Valentinus Ebion and Manicheus and other hereticks gather are not true Churches Chrysostom If the ports of hell prevail not against the Church far less shall they prevail against me therefore thou shouldst not be troubled Peter when thou hearest that I shall be crucified Then by the mind of Chrysostom Christ speaks here for the comfort of Peter as a sound believer and not as an external visible member of a congregation as saith Mr. H. And see here a fisher-man is made Pastor and Head of the whole Church Then it could not have been the mind of Chrysostom that such a headship whatever it was or whether peculiar to Peter or no is another question was given to the people Chrysostom expounds tell the Church tell the Rulers Chrysostom As a King sending Iudges gives them power to cast guilty men in prison and to deliver them so sends Christ his Disciples and arms them with authority Will any dream that Chrysostom judgeth that Christ gave this power to the people Chrysostom saith the Apostles take to themselves to determine the number of the Deacons and to ordain them but they give the election of the men to the people lest the Apostles should seem partial and to favour men Mr. H. saith the contrary Valiant Athanasius makes the Church builded upon a Rock to be a strong an unshaken promise and that the Church is an inseparable thing although hell it self were moved and these that are in hell and the Princes of darkness should rage Sure this great Witness never meant any such invincible promise to an external visible congregation and its members Iudas and Simon Magus Peter himself who received the heavenly Keyes sinned saith Athanasius Hilarius commends the Rock which breaks the ports of Hell and sayes that men are loosed or bound in Heaven by condition of the Apostles sentence then doth he not think it the sentence of the people Let the learned judge of the ancient writings of Clemens that Epistle of his to the Corinthians read sometimes in the ancient Church will have Mr. Hookers visible converts only Church-matter though he writ to them as the true Church 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Yet he writes of a sad change of their profession such as was in Israel when they made defection to Idolatry 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 It were hard to say such a company are all visible converts 2. Clemens seems to deny to the people power of commanding and to say that the preachers ordained Bishops and Deacons 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Cyrillus Alexandrinus upon these words I will give thee the Keyes he gifted universally all the Apostles with power over unclean spirits then neither the one power nor the other gave he to the people Cyril Alexan. in Isa. l. 5. pag. 393. Cyrillus tom 2 dialog de Trinitat l. 4. pag. 278. Peter is so called from his most firm and unshaken faith in qua Ecclesia Christi ita fundata ac firmatt essâ—t ut non laberetur esser expugnabilis inferorum portis aeterâ—…um manens on which the Church is built that it cannot fail but remains for ever cannot be overcome by the ports of hell Cyrillus well knew single congregations are not invincible and he speaks of such a saving faith as Magus cannot have it came from the Father teaching ex ineffabili eruditione superna c. See what Apostolick dignity he gave to them which he gave not to the people Cyrill in Ioan. l. 12. c. 56. page 699 700. Cyrill on Isa. 5. c. 60 page 383. August tom 10. Dom. 11 post Epiphan sect 2 page 235. Tertius modus est quomodo totus Christus secundum Ecclesiam id est caput corpus praediceturâ— etenim caput corpus unus Christus non quia sine corpore non est integer sed quia nobiscum integer esse dignatus est membra Christi corpus sumus omnes simul non qui hoc loco sumus tantum fed per universam terram nee qui tantum hoc tempore sed qui dicam ex Abelâ—…sto usque in finem seculi quandiu generant generantur hominis It were needless to prove a visible integral catholick Church all the world over not in Asia onely from Augustine 2. Or to prove a mixture of tares and wheat of good and bad in the visible Church and that they are not visible converts that are members of the visible Church 3. How far in the communion of the Church and of Sacraments mali maculent contaminent bonos see August-cont Epist. Parmen Mr. H. deviseth a way for this It s referred to a mans free choice without any compulsion of any to what congregation he shall joyn himself or not and though the doctrine and ordinances be most pure yet he may keep within himself the causes of his not joyning thinking such are profane and so there is little or nothing of Christs presence in this Church But the formal cause of joyning to a Church in which one should reside is not the holiness of members but the soundness and purity of