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of_o the_o temporal_a power_n among_o christian_n compare_v to_o the_o spiritual_a for_o that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a and_o civil_a power_n temporal_a power_n and_o spiritual_a subjection_n etc._n etc._n be_v among_o christian_n so_o unite_v in_o one_o subject_n that_o the_o same_o christian_a man_n be_v a_o part_n member_n and_o citizen_n both_o of_o the_o temporal_a and_o also_o of_o the_o spiritual_a common_a wealth_n and_o both_o common_a wealth_n may_v be_v subject_a to_o the_o same_o prince_n as_o appeareth_z in_o the_o pope_n and_o therefore_o the_o order_n of_o charity_n do_v require_v that_o every_o christian_a man_n ought_v to_o prefer_v the_o spiritual_a good_a and_o spiritual_a common_a wealth_n before_o the_o temporal_a good_a and_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n not_o for_o that_o the_o temporal_a power_n or_o common_a wealth_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a but_o for_o that_o all_o christian_a prince_n and_o people_n be_v part_n member_n and_o citizen_n of_o 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christian_a prince_n be_v bind_v to_o change_v his_o manner_n of_o government_n when_o it_o hinder_v the_o spiritual_a good_a 22._o belike_o d._n schulckenius_n will_v infer_v that_o because_o the_o pope_n be_v lord_n of_o ancona_n and_o ferrara_n and_o aught_o to_o prefer_v caeteris_fw-la paribus_fw-la the_o good_a of_o the_o one_o before_o the_o other_o therefore_o the_o state_n of_o ancona_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o state_n of_o ferrara_n or_o contrariwise_o or_o because_o the_o king_n of_o spain_n be_v king_n of_o naples_n and_o duke_n of_o milan_n therefore_o the_o state_n of_o milan_n be_v subject_a to_o naples_n or_o because_o a_o man_n have_v two_o trade_n and_o aught_o to_o prefer_v the_o one_o before_o the_o other_o therefore_o the_o one_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o other_o or_o because_o one_o man_n be_v a_o citizen_n of_o two_o city_n therefore_o one_o of_o those_o city_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o other_o or_o because_o the_o eye_n and_o ear_n be_v part_n and_o member_n of_o the_o same_o body_n of_o man_n who_o ought_v therefore_o by_o order_n of_o charity_n to_o prefer_v the_o good_a of_o the_o more_o worthy_a and_o necessary_a member_n before_o the_o good_a of_o the_o less_o worthy_a and_o less_o necessary_a therefore_o the_o ear_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o eye_n or_o contrariwise_o i_o ever_o affirm_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n among_o christian_n be_v not_o per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a and_o that_o they_o do_v not_o proper_o and_o formal_o as_o they_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o visible_a head_n here_o on_o earth_n make_v one_o total_a but_o two_o total_a commonwealth_n although_o the_o same_o christian_a man_n be_v consider_v diverse_a way_n be_v a_o part_n and_o member_n of_o both_o commonwealth_n and_o as_o in_o spiritual_a cause_n he_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n which_o only_o do_v proper_o and_o formal_o make_v the_o spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n so_o in_o temporal_a cause_n he_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o civil_a power_n which_o only_o do_v proper_o and_o formal_o make_v the_o remporall_a or_o earthly_a kingdom_n of_o this_o christian_a world_n and_o because_o the_o spiritual_a commonwealth_n and_o good_a thereof_o be_v the_o more_o noble_a and_o more_o worthy_a therefore_o the_o same_o christian_a man_n be_v a_o member_n and_o citizen_n of_o both_o commonwealth_n aught_o to_o prefer_v if_o other_o thing_n be_v alike_o the_o spiritual_a good_a before_o temporal_a and_o not_o for_o any_o subjection_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n or_o commonwealth_n to_o the_o spiritual_a but_o when_o man_n be_v not_o dispose_v to_o deal_v sincere_o for_o truth_n sake_n but_o be_v resolve_v to_o defend_v per_fw-la fas_fw-la &_o nefas_fw-la what_o they_o have_v once_o take_v in_o hand_n to_o maintain_v and_o do_v not_o fight_v for_o truth_n but_o for_o credit_n they_o little_a regard_n what_o they_o say_v so_o that_o with_o cunning_a &_o smooth_a word_n they_o may_v colour_v their_o say_n in_o such_o sort_n as_o that_o they_o may_v blind_v dazzle_v or_o confound_v the_o understanding_n of_o the_o reader_n and_o thus_o much_o concern_v card._n bellarmine_n first_o reply_n 23._o now_o to_o the_o answer_n which_o i_o make_v to_o card._n bellarmine_n second_o reply_n by_o which_o he_o pretend_v to_o prove_v the_o subjection_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n to_o the_o spiritual_a d._n schulckenius_n 343._o schulckenius_n pag._n 343._o repli_v in_o this_o manner_n i_o answer_v that_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n say_v nothing_o which_o do_v weaken_v card._n bellarmine_n argument_n that_o which_o card._n bellarmine_n do_v assume_v to_o wit_n that_o a_o temporal_a prince_n be_v bind_v to_o change_v his_o manner_n of_o government_n not_o only_o lest_o that_o he_o shall_v hurt_v in_o spiritual_n his_o own_o subject_n but_o also_o lest_o that_o he_o shall_v hurt_v other_o christian_n my_o adversary_n widdrington_n do_v grant_v and_o in_o this_o assumption_n or_o antecedent_n proposition_n all_o the_o force_n of_o card._n bellarmine_n argument_n do_v consist_v beside_o when_o widdrington_n deny_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n be_v per_fw-la se_fw-la subject_n to_o the_o spiritual_a or_o that_o both_o of_o they_o be_v part_n of_o one_o and_o the_o self_n same_o christian_a commonwealth_n and_o afterward_o grant_v that_o a_o temporal_a king_n and_o those_o who_o be_v civil_o subject_a unto_o he_o be_v member_n of_o the_o mystical_a body_n and_o citizen_n of_o the_o same_o spiritual_a kingdom_n he_o do_v manifest_o contradict_v himself_o for_o what_o else_o be_v this_o that_o christian_a king_n and_o their_o subject_n be_v member_n of_o the_o same_o mystical_a body_n of_o christ_n and_o citizen_n of_o the_o same_o spiritual_a kingdom_n i_o say_v what_o else_o be_v this_o than_o that_o christian_a king_n and_o their_o lay-subiect_n be_v part_n of_o the_o christian_a commonwealth_n for_o the_o christian_a commonwealth_n and_o the_o
pastor_n he_o shall_v offend_v against_o the_o virtue_n of_o religion_n for_o the_o which_o offence_n his_o spiritual_a pastor_n may_v punish_v he_o with_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n and_o of_o this_o manner_n of_o exemption_n by_o way_n of_o command_n and_o spiritual_a coercion_n all_o the_o canon_n and_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n which_o do_v signify_v imply_v or_o suppose_v that_o clergy_n man_n may_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n without_o the_o consent_n of_o temporal_a prince_n be_v exempt_v from_o secular_a power_n either_o touch_v their_o person_n or_o their_o good_n may_v be_v very_o well_o understand_v i_o say_v if_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o church_n do_v require_v it_o for_o at_o this_o present_a i_o will_v not_o enter_v into_o particular_n what_o manner_n of_o necessity_n be_v require_v that_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n may_v impose_v such_o a_o command_n upon_o his_o temporal_a prince_n 34_o but_o the_o controversy_n betwixt_o i_o and_o my_o adversary_n betwixt_o those_o catholic_n who_o be_v so_o vehement_a for_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o those_o on_o the_o contrary_a side_n be_v whether_o spiritual_a pastor_n as_o they_o be_v spiritual_a pastor_n or_o by_o virtue_n of_o their_o spiritual_a power_n have_v not_o only_o by_o way_n of_o command_n and_o spiritual_a coercion_n but_o also_o by_o way_n of_o sentence_n authority_n to_o exempt_v without_o the_o consent_n of_o prince_n clergy_n man_n who_o before_o be_v subject_a to_o they_o in_o temporall_n from_o the_o directive_a and_o coercive_v power_n of_o secular_a prince_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o after_o the_o sentence_n of_o such_o exemption_n be_v give_v clergy_n man_n be_v no_o more_o the_o subject_n of_o that_o secular_a prince_n for_o that_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n do_v deprive_v he_o of_o that_o civil_a power_n which_o before_o the_o sentence_n he_o have_v over_o clergy_n man_n and_o what_o be_v say_v of_o particular_a bishop_n in_o respect_n of_o prince_n who_o be_v their_o spiritual_a child_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o supreme_a spiritual_a pastor_n in_o respect_n of_o all_o christian_a prince_n who_o be_v subject_a to_o he_o in_o spirituall_n this_o be_v the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o question_n 35_o so_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v clear_o perceive_v that_o although_o from_o the_o first_o manner_n of_o exemption_n by_o way_n of_o command_n and_o spiritual_a coercion_n no_o good_a argument_n can_v be_v draw_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v depose_v prince_n and_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o regal_a authority_n by_o way_n of_o sentence_n yet_o there_o be_v great_a coherence_n betwixt_o these_o two_o question_n concern_v the_o power_n of_o spiritual_a pastor_n to_o depose_v prince_n by_o way_n of_o sentence_n and_o their_o power_n to_o exempt_v by_o way_n of_o sentence_n clergy_n man_n from_o all_o subjection_n to_o secular_a prince_n for_o the_o first_o question_n be_v whether_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v by_o way_n of_o sentence_n deprive_v temporal_a prince_n of_o all_o their_o temporal_a power_n and_o absolve_v all_o their_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o the_o second_o be_v whether_o it_o can_v deprive_v they_o of_o some_o part_n of_o their_o temporal_a power_n and_o absolve_v some_o of_o their_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o therefore_o those_o catholic_n who_o do_v grant_v the_o second_o will_v easy_o grant_v the_o first_o and_o who_o do_v grant_v the_o first_o must_v of_o necessity_n grant_v the_o second_o for_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o sufficient_a reason_n allege_v why_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a deprive_v prince_n of_o some_o part_n of_o their_o regal_a authority_n and_o not_o of_o all_o and_o absolve_v some_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o not_o all_o and_o if_o it_o can_v deprive_v oâ—_n all_o iâ—_n must_v needs_o follow_v that_o it_o can_v also_o of_o some_o part_n and_o contrariwise_o those_o catholic_n who_o affirm_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v exempt_v ot_fw-mi absolve_v clergy_n man_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o subjection_n to_o temporal_a prince_n must_v consequeny_o affirm_v that_o it_o can_v not_o exempt_a or_o absolve_v all_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o who_o affirm_v that_o it_o can_v not_o absolve_v or_o exempt_v all_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n nor_o deprive_v a_o temporale_n prince_n of_o all_o his_o regal_a authority_n will_v easy_o affirm_v that_o it_o can_v exempt_v or_o absolve_v clergy_n man_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o subjection_n nor_o deprive_v a_o temporal_a prince_n of_o any_o part_n of_o his_o regal_a authority_n 36_o but_o some_o do_v great_o urge_v this_o objection_n if_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v command_v temporal_a prince_n not_o to_o exercise_v their_o temporal_a power_n over_o the_o person_n or_o good_n of_o clergy_n man_n without_o the_o consent_n of_o their_o ecclesiastical_a superior_a it_o do_v consequent_o follow_v that_o a_o temporal_a prince_n do_v offend_v if_o he_o transgress_v the_o just_a and_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o therefore_o it_o seem_v that_o a_o temporal_a prince_n have_v no_o power_n over_o the_o person_n or_o good_n of_o clergy_n man_n after_o such_o a_o command_n suppose_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a unless_o we_o will_v grant_v that_o a_o temporal_a prince_n have_v power_n to_o commit_v sin_n and_o to_o transgress_v the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n 37_o to_o this_o objection_n wherewith_o i_o have_v know_v diverse_a man_n of_o learning_n to_o be_v somewhat_o perplex_v those_o catholic_n who_o deny_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v deprive_v by_o way_n of_o sentence_n a_o temporal_a prince_n of_o his_o regal_a authority_n either_o whole_o or_o in_o part_n may_v easy_o answer_v in_o this_o manner_n that_o if_o a_o temporal_a prince_n do_v excercise_n his_o temporal_a power_n over_o the_o person_n or_o good_n of_o clergy_n man_n against_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n he_o sin_v indeed_o against_o religion_n and_o the_o general_a virtue_n of_o obedience_n in_o that_o he_o use_v his_o power_n contrary_a to_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n but_o he_o do_v not_o sin_n against_o the_o special_a virtue_n of_o legal_a or_o moral_a justice_n in_o use_v his_o authority_n over_o they_o who_o be_v not_o his_o subject_n and_o over_o who_o he_o have_v no_o temporal_a power_n and_o authority_n in_o that_o manner_n as_o another_o man_n who_o be_v not_o their_o prince_n shall_v offend_v neither_o be_v it_o unusual_a for_o a_o man_n to_o commit_v a_o sin_n in_o do_v that_o which_o in_o respect_n of_o justice_n he_o have_v power_n and_o authority_n to_o do_v 38_o as_o for_o example_n it_o be_v a_o sin_n against_o the_o virtue_n of_o liberality_n for_o one_o to_o give_v away_o his_o good_n prodigal_o although_o if_o we_o respect_v justice_n he_o have_v true_a and_o full_a power_n to_o give_v they_o away_o for_o that_o he_o give_v nothing_o but_o that_o which_o be_v his_o own_o and_o therefore_o that_o prodigal_a gift_n although_o it_o be_v unlawful_a yet_o be_v not_o unjust_a as_o justice_n be_v take_v not_o as_o it_o comprehend_v all_o virtue_n in_o general_a but_o in_o particular_a for_o a_o special_a virtue_n and_o one_o of_o the_o four_o cardinal_n virtue_n so_o also_o it_o be_v a_o sin_n against_o the_o virtue_n of_o temperance_n to_o give_v money_n to_o commit_v a_o unhonest_a act_n and_o yet_o the_o gift_n be_v not_o unjust_a for_o that_o he_o give_v nothing_o but_o his_o own_o and_o which_o according_a to_o justice_n he_o have_v power_n to_o give_v so_o likewise_o if_o a_o ghostly_a father_n command_v his_o penitent_a to_o give_v a_o certain_a part_n of_o his_o good_n to_o 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