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A00617 The counseller a treatise of counsels and counsellers of princes, written in Spanish by Bartholomew Phillip, Doctor of the ciuill and cannon lawe. Englished by I.T. graduate in Oxford.; Tractado del consejo y de los consejeros de los principes. English Filippe, Bartholomeu.; Thorie, John, b. 1568. 1589 (1589) STC 10753; ESTC S101905 175,643 206

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