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A18981 The true ancient Roman Catholike Being an apology or counterproofe against Doctor Bishops Reproofe of the defence of the Reformed Catholike. The first part. Wherein the name of Catholikes is vindicated from popish abuse, and thence is shewed that the faith of the Church of Rome as now it is, is not the Catholike faith ... By Robert Abbot ... Abbot, Robert, 1560-1618. 1611 (1611) STC 54; ESTC S100548 363,303 424

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and firme assurance to which purpose the Apostles vsed these wordes to the Lord Encrease our faith And to this agreeth that which Oecumenius saith l Oecumen in Rom. 3. Hoc D●● 〈◊〉 est 〈◊〉 n●m 〈…〉 tate excedentis ex sola videlicet fide nos peccatis ianc mortuos viuisicar●a● s●scitare c. Verùm ad quid viuisicatur inquit qui credidit Ad perfect●ssimam fide immutabi●e habitus fortitudinem Nam ex side in fidem est viuificatio This is the property of the iustice of God exceeding the kindnesse of man euen by faith only to quicken and raise vs vp that are dead in sinnes And whereto is he quickened that hath beleeued To most perfict faith and vnchangeable strength of the habit thereof For our quickening is from faith to faith Here is then the iustice of God that is the iustification of man before God described by the Apostle that it beginneth with faith and goeth forward by faith and is more and more to be apprehended by increase and growth of faith It is begunne by faith only and because the proceeding and perfecting thereof is according to the beginning from faith to faith therefore it is consummate and perfect in faith only And this phrase of speech the holy Ghost seemeth to haue directed purposely against the errour of the Papists who though they acknowledge the beginning of iustification to be by faith yet determine the processe and perfection thereof to consist in workes so that our iustification with them is not according to the wordes of the Apostle from faith to faith but contrary to the doctrine of the Apostle from faith to workes m Bellarm. Recognit lib. de Iustificat Charitas verè absolutè formalis iustitia est c. fides propriè simplicitèr iustificat per modum dispositionis for● malitèr autem simplicitèr absolutè non iusti● ficat Charity saith Bellarmine is truly and absolutely formall righteousnesse faith properly and simply iustifieth in manner of a disposition but simply and absolutely it doth not iustifie formally And againe n Idē Recog lib. de Grat. lib. Arbit Quāuis fides spes necessariò requirantur ad iustificationem tamē id quod verissimè proprijssimèque iustificat tanquam vnica formalis causa charitas est Although faith and hope be necessarily required to iustification yet charity is it which most truly and properly iustifieth as the only formall cause So then where the Apostle saith that o Rom. 3. 22. the righteousnesse of God is by the faith of Iesus Christ and that p Vers 30. God iustifieth by faith we must thinke that he speaketh vnproperly he speaketh not formally neither doth he name that wherein the iustification of man most truly consisteth Thus doe they take vpon them as the old Heretikes did to be q Iren. lib. 3. cap. 1. Audent dicere gloriantes emendatores se esse Apostolorum correctours of the Apostles to reforme their ouersights and to better their termes and phrases euen where they speake most vniformely and constantly to deliuer the doctrine of true faith But we will not hearken to them nor be led by them but rather take that which the Apostle teacheth vs that the iustification before God which is taught vs by the Gospell is from faith to faith that it beginneth in faith and continueth in faith and from the beginning to the end consisteth in faith only And hereto agreeth that which the Apostle saith elsewhere r Gal 2. 16. We who are Iewes by nature and not sinners of the Gentiles knowing that a man is not iustified by the workes of the law but by the faith of Iesus Christ euen we haue beleeued in Christ that we might or may be iustified by the faith of Christ and not by the workes of the law because by the workes of the law no flesh shall be iustified Where wee see the processe of iustification plainly described as we haue said from faith to faith the Apostle professing to haue beleeued in Christ not thenceforth to be iustified by workes as Popery teacheth but to be iustified by faith because being now beleeuers they knew that by the workes of the law no flesh should be iustified And this meaning is further confirmed by the proofe which the Apostle bringeth of the wordes whereof we speake ſ Habac. 2 4. as it is written saith he The iust shall liue by faith For although those wordes of the Prophet doe seeme to attribute iustification and life to faith yet no otherwise doe they inferre it to be from faith to faith but in that sort as I haue said Certaine it is that but by faith no man can attaine to be called a iust man and therefore in the very name of the iust is an implication of faith The Prophet then teacheth that a man being by faith become a iust man is not thenceforth to expect life by his iustice but to goe on from faith to faith the iust saith he shall liue not by his iustice but by his faith For this cause doth he expresse it not by the present The iust doth liue as the vulgar corruptly readeth but by the future tense The iust shall liue by faith as to note that the iustice of God that is the iustice for which God accepteth and iustifieth vs as it beganne so proceedeth euen to the attainement of euerlasting life not by workes but by faith only And of all this we haue a notable example in our father Abraham who is set before vs as the patterne and example of all the faithfull of whom after that t Gen. 12. 1. 2 c. Heb. 11. 8. by faith he had obeyed God to goe out of his owne Countrey and had wrought many workes of iustice and righteousnesse yet to shew this continuation of the righteousnesse of God from faith to faith it is said u Gen. 15. 6. Abraham beleeued the Lord and hee counted that to him for righteousnesse He was not first iustified by faith to be afterwards iustified by workes but still his faith was it for which he was reputed righteous in the sight of God By all this then we see a direct opposition betwixt the doctrine of the ancient Roman Church and the doctrine of the Papists The Papists say that the righteousnesse of God beginneth with faith but the perfection thereof is in workes and that it consisteth most properly and truly in the righteousnesse of works and that the iust man though he become iust by faith yet must afterwards with God be iustified and attaine to life by workes But the old Church of Rome was farre otherwise minded that iustification before God beginneth in faith and is determined in faith and that the iust man be he neuer so iust must liue not by his iustice but by his faith it being true of iust men as Hierome telleth vs which is said x Hieron adu Pelag. l 2. Pro
with Gods grace they doe prepare vs and make vs fit to receiue the gift of iustification Where I wish it first to be noted how he maketh workes before the first iustification to be inspired with Gods grace whereas they hold the first iustification to be the first infusion of the grace of God Now they hold workes before the first iustification not to be properly meritorious and yet that workes proceeding from Gods grace are properly d●sertfull and meritorious so as that we are come to haue grace before grace and workes meritorious before they be meritorious and I know not what for what the painter list that must stand vpon the wall But to let this passe his answere to the place is otherwise idle and impertinent for though he c See of Iustification sect 21. tell vs which yet he telleth vs falsly and against himselfe that workes be not the cause of the first iustification nor doe deserue it yet he doth not tell vs that either the first or the second iustification is the imputation of righteousnesse without workes which is the thing by the Apostle spoken of For in the imputation of righteousnesse without workes what is it that is reputed for righteousnesse Faith saith the Apostle is reputed for righteousnesse Tell vs then M. Bishop is faith with you reputed for righteousnesse without workes Spit out man and tell vs whether in your first or second iustification you hold that a man for his faith is reputed righteous without workes This the Apostle teacheth and doe you teach the same No forsooth saith he I dare not say so though the Apostle taught the Romans so when they were nouices in the faith yet that now serueth not our turne Consider it well gentle Reader and thou shalt see that his answere is a meere mockery and giueth no satisfaction to the point And that it may appeare further so to be it is to be noted how the Apostle bringeth Dauid for a witnesse of that he saith who hauing beene long a faithfull and iustified man that M. Bishop may haue no shift by his pretense of the first iustification yet still out of his owne present occasioned experience and feeling pronounceth as the Apostle saith the blessednesse of the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousnesse without works He was in great distresse and affliction of bodily sicknesse and in that misery he lay vntill God had throughly humbled him and brought him to true and faithfull acknowledgement and confession of his sinne Vpon this confession and repentance God remitteth the sinne and mercifully releaseth him from the grieuous punishment that had lien vpon him and hereupon hee breaketh out into those wordes which the Apostle citeth e Psal 32. 1. Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiuen and whose sinnes are couered blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth no sinne Now therefore to speake of a man in the state of grace as Dauid was this is his blisse euen the forgiuenesse of his sinnes which is through faith the imputation of righteousnesse without workes And for further confirmation hereof Dauid hauing so spoken of himselfe addeth in generall f Vers 6. For this shall euery holy man make his prayer vnto thee For this that is as Austin saith g August in Psal 31. Pro qua hac Pro ipsa vema peccatorum for the forgiuenesse of sinnes And if the forgiuenesse of sinnes be as the Apostle expoundeth it the imputation of righteousnesse without workes then th● prayer of euery holy man of euery one that is godly is this that not hauing workes whereby to be iustified he may by faith in Christ be reputed righteous and accepted in the sight of God Here we haue M. Bishop fast tyed neither is there any way for him to breake loose because by comparing the Prophets wordes and the Apostles application thereof we finde that the holy or godly man looketh for blisse by imputation of righteousnesse without workes Euen the holy man prayeth with Dauid a holy man h Psal 143. 2. Enter not into iudgement with thy seruant O Lord for in thy sight no man liuing shall be found iust and therefore prayeth againe as Dauid by the exposition of the Apostle hath taught the holy man to pray that faith may be counted to him for righteousnesse that the Lord will impute to him righteousnesse without workes Of this imputation of righteousnesse without workes St. Austin saith i August Retract l. 1. c. 19. Omnia mandata facta deputantur quando quicquid non sit ignoscitur All the commandements of God are reputed as done when that is pardoned which is not done And againe k Idē in Psal 118. Conc. 3. In via side● pro non peccantibus habentur qu●bus peccata non imputantur In the way of faith they are reckoned for no sinners and therefore are reputed iust who haue not their sinnes imputed vnto them Thus Bernard saith that l Bernard in Cant. serm 22. Iustitia in absolutione peccatorum Christ is made vnto vs righteousnesse in the forgiuenesse of our sinnes and that m Ibid. ser 23. Hominis iustit●● indulgent●a Dei. Gods pardon is mans righteousnesse To the like purpose it is that Ambrose saith n Ambros in Psal 118. ser 7. Potest p●●●at●r ho● ipso iustus esse q●●a accusator est ●●i A sinner may euen hereby be iust for that he is the accuser of himselfe And so saith Gregory Bishop of Rome o Gregor in Ezech. hom 7. Iustus aduocatus noster iust●s nos d●fendet ●● iudicio quia 〈◊〉 ipsos cognos●●mus accusamus iniustes Non ergò in s●etibus non in actibus nostris sed in aduocati nostri allegatione considamus Our iust Aduocate will in iudgement defend vs for iust because we know and accuse our selues to be vniust and therefore let vs not put confidence in our teares or in our workes but in our Aduocates allegation or intercession for vs. If as touching workes we know and confesse our selues to be vniust and yet notwithstanding be defended in iudgement to be iust what can our iustice be but the imputation of iustice without workes Against this M. Bishop alleageth that we doe not wholly exclude workes from iustification because we require true repentance which containeth many good workes as necessary thereto But of this he hath receiued answere p Of Iustification sect 25. before that repentance doth only make the subiect capable of iustification but is it selfe no part or cause thereof that it is as the feeling and paine of a wound or sore which causeth to seeke the medicine for cure and ease but it selfe healeth not that it is as hunger and thirst which feede not the body but prouoke the seeking of the meate whereby it is fed The penitent man touched in conscience with the guilt of sinne and seeing thereby the misery that lyeth vpon him by Gods anger and indignation denounced against the same
they see others fall by resting on their owne strength Now therefore be it that some who not are but see me to be in grace and to stand doe afterwards fall and be cut off this maketh nothing against the assurance of them who are indeede in grace and doe truly beleeue in the name of the sonne of God who i 1. Iohn 5. 11. beleeuing the record that God hath witnessed of his sonne that God hath giuen vnto vs eternall life and this life is in his sonne are hereby taught k Vers 13. 15. to know that they haue eternall life and that they haue the petitions that they desire of him And thus Gregory saith as touching the heauenly City Ierus●lem which is aboue that l Gregor Exposit in 1. Reg. l. 1. c. 1. Moral Quam familiariter dil●git suam esse indubitantèr credit Suam nāque hanc ciuitatemesse cognouerat qui dicebat scimꝰ quia si terrestris nostra domus c. he that entirely loueth it doth vndoubtedly beleeue it to be his owne For saith he he knew this City to be his that said m 2. Cor. 5. 1. We know that if our earthly house of this habitation be dissolued we haue a building which is of God a house not made with hands eternall in heauen And thus saith Leo that n Leo de Resurrect Domini ser 2. Quam idcò vsque ad celerrim●m resurrectionem voluit esse mortalem vt credentibus in cum nec persecutio insuperabilis nec mors posset esse terribilis cùm ita dubitandum non esset de consortio gloriae sicut dubitandum non crat de communione naturae Si ergò incunctantèr corde credimus quod ●re profitemur nos in Christo crucifi●i nos sumus mortui nos sepulti nos etiam die tertia suscitati Christ would haue his flesh to continue in case of mortality vntill his res●rrection that to them that beleeued in him neither persecution might be vnconquerable nor death might be terrible for that they were no more to doubt of being partakers of glory with him then they were to doubt of his being partaker of the same nature with them If saith he we stedfastly beleeue with the heart that which we professe with the mouth we are crucified in Christ we are dead we are buried we are also the third day raised againe from the dead o Ibid. serm 1. Non haesitamus diffidentia nec incerta expectatione suspendimur sed accept● promissionis ex●rdi● fidei oculis qu● sunt futura iam cernimus natura pronecti●ne gaudentes quod credimus iam tenemus We stagger not by distrust saith he againe neither doe we hang in vncertaine expectation but hauing receiued the beginning of the promise we now see with the eyes of faith the things that are to come and reioycing for the aduancement of our nature we euen now hold that which we beleeue This is the assurance of the faithfull euen an vndoubted beleefe and knowledge that the heauenly City is theirs a certaine and vndoubted expectation of the glory of Christ whereby they reioyce as being in him already raised againe from the dead and as already holding and possessing that which they doe beleeue Howsoeuer therefore men are to be shaken out of all carnall security and presumption of their saluation yet the godly security and presumption of faith is not to be denyed and the more we grow in faith the more doth the soule grow secure and vndoubted of God to be our God presuming not of our selues where indeede we see nothing but cause of feare but of God only to say of him p Psal 71. 14. I will goe forth in the strength of the Lord God and will make mention of thy righteousnesse only And againe q Psal 124. 7. Our helpe standeth in the name of the Lord which hath made heauen and earth In a word one truth agreeth with another and therefore M. Bishop in opposing some formall speeches of the holy Ghost against other the like formall speeches which in their true meaning stand very well and agree together doth no other but deforme the truth and wickedly taketh vpon him the patronage and maintenance of falshood and vntruth CHAP. XIII That the good workes and sufferings of this life are not meritorious or worthy of the blisse of the life to come ANSWERE TO THE EPISTLE PAul saith The sufferings of this time are not worthy of the glory that shall be reueiled c. to Paul saith nothing for those points c. W. BISHOP I Say that M. Abbot hath gotten such a custome of abusing Gods word that hee scarce alleageth one sentence of it without one paltry shift or other The wordes of S. Paul truly translated are Our sufferings are not worthy to the glory or as our English phrase is are not to be compared to the glory of c. that is our labours or paines are not either so great and waighty or of so long endurance as be the ioyes of heauen yet through the dignity which we receiue by being made members of Christ and by the vertue of Gods grace wherewith those workes be wrought and by the promise of God both we are accounted worthy of heauen according to S Pauls owne phrase Which persecutions 2. Thessal 1. v. 5. you sustaine that you may be counted worthy the Kingdome of God and our sufferings meritorious of life euerlasting which S. Paul doth very precisely teach where he saith that our tribulation which for the 2. Cor. 4. vers 17. present is momentary and light yet worketh aboue measure exceedingly an eternall waight of glory in vs we not considering the things that are seene but that are not seene and elsewhere is bold to say That 2. Tim 4. vers 8. God had laid vp for him a crowne of iustice which our Lord will render to me in that day a iust Iudge and not only to me but to them also that loue his comming If God as a iust Iudge render the ioyes of heauen as a crowne of iustice then were they before iustly deserued and the sufferings of them that deserued them were in iust proportion worthy of them Thus briefly any indifferent Reader may perceiue how farre S. Paul being rightly taken is from affording any reliefe vnto the Protestant cause They doe now as many vnlearned and vnstable men did euen in his owne time witnesse Saint Peter depraue and misuse certaine sentences of his 2. Pet. 3. vers 16. hard to be vnderstood to their owne perdition and to the deceiuing and vndoing of their followers for in all his Epistles being vnderstood as he meant them there is not one word or sillable that maketh for the Protestants or any other Sectaries and plenty there are of plaine texts for the most points of the Catholike faith A tast whereof I will giue you as soone as I shall haue made an end of answering vnto this his idle discourse