Linguistic DNA - Concept Modelling Demonstrator

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	formal_a	inherent_a	justification_n	2,595	5	10.5390	5	true

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A03584	The ansvvere of Mr. Richard Hooker to a supplication preferred by Mr Walter Travers to the HH. Lords of the Privie Counsell	Hooker, Richard, 1553 or 4-1600.; Jackson, Henry, 1586-1662.	1612 (1612)	STC 13706; ESTC S104190	20,605	36

the contrary I will open what many do conceiue of the Canon that concerneth this matter The Fathers of Trent perceived that if they should define of this matter it would be dangerous howsoeuer it were determined If they had freed her from her originall sinne the reasons against them are vnanswerable which Bonaventure and others do alleadge but especially Thomas whose line as much as may be they follow Againe if they did resolue the other way they should controll themselues in an other thing which in no case might be altered For they professe to keepe no daie holie in the honor of an vnholie thing and the Virgins conception they honor with a Feast which they could not abrogate without cancelling a constitution of Xystus quartus And that which is worse the worlde might perhaps herevpon suspect that if the Church of Rome did amisse before in this it is not impossible for her to faile in other things In the end they did wisely quote out their Canon by a middle thred establishing the feast of the Virgins conception and leaving the other question doubtfull as they found it giving only a caveat that no man should take the decree which pronounceth all menkind originallie sinfull for a definitiue sentence concerning the blessed Virgin This in my sight is plaine by their owne words Declarat haec ipsa sancta Synodus c wherefore our couÌ„trymen at Rhemes meÌ„tioning this point are marvelous warie how they speake they touch it as though it were a hot cole Many godly devout men iudge that our blessed Lady was neither borne nor conceived in sinne Is it their wâ—nt to speake nicely of things definitiuely set downe in that councell In like sort wee finde that the rest which haue since the time of the Tridentine Synod writen of originall sinne are in this point for the most part either silent or very sparing in speech and when they speake either doubtfull what to thinke or whatsoever they thinke themselues fearefull to set downe any certaine determination If I be thought to take the Canon of that councell otherwise then they themselues do let him expound it whose sentence was neither last asked nor his pen least occupied in setting it downe I meane Andradius whom Gregory the 13. hath allowed plainely to confesse that it is a matter which nether expresse evidence of Scripture nor the tradition of the Fathers nor the sentence of the Church hath determined that they are too surly and selfewilled which defending either opinion are displeased with them by whom the other is mainetained finallie that the Fathers of Trent haue not set downe any certainetie about this question but left it doubtfull and indifferent Now whereas my wordes which I had set downe in writing before I vttered them were indeed these Although they imagin that the mother of our Lord Iesus Christ were for his honour and by his speciall protection preserved cleane from all sinne yet concerning the rest they teach as wee do that all haue sinned Against my words they might with more pretence take exception because so many of them thinke she had sin which exception notwithstanding the proposition being indefinite and the matter contingent they cannot take because they grant that many whom they count graue devout amongst them thinke that she was cleere from all sin But whether Mr Travers did note my words himselfe or take them vpon the credit of some other mans noting the tables were faulty wherein it was noted All men sinners even the blessed Virgin WheÌ„ my speech was rather All men except the blessed Virgin To leaue this another fault he findeth that I said They teach Christs righteousnes to be the only meritorious cause of taking away sinne differ from vs only in the applying of it J did say do They teach as we doe that although Christ be the only meritorious cause of our iustice yet as a medicin which is made for health doth not heale by being made but by being applied So by the merits of Christ there can be no life nor iustification without the application of his merits But about the manner of applying Christ about the number power of meanes whereby he is applied we dissent from them This of our dissenting from them is acknowledged 14 Our agreement in the former is denied to bee such as J pretend Let their owne words therefore and mine concerning them be compared Doth not Andradius plainely confesse Our sinnes doth shut and onely the merits of Christ open the entring vnto blessednesse And Soto It is put for a ground that all since the fall of Adam obtaine salvation only by the passion of Christ howbeit as no cause can be effectuall without applying so neither can any man be saved to whom the suffering of Christ is not applyed In a word who not when the Councell of Trent reckoning vp the causes of our first instificatioÌ„ doth name no end but Gods glory and our felicitie no efficient but his mercy no instrumentall but baptisme no meritorious but Christ. whome to haue merited the taking away of no sinne but originall is not their opinion which himselfe wil find when hee hath well examined his witnesses Catharinus and Thomas Their Jesuits are marveilous angry with the men out of whose gleanings Mr Travers seemeth to haue taken this they opeÌ„ly disclaime it they say plainely of all the Catholiks there is no one that did ever so teach they make solemne protestation wee beleeue and professe that Christ vpon the Crosse hath altogether satisfied for all sinnes as well originall as actuall Indeed they teach that the merit of Christ doth not take away actuall sinne in such sort as it doth originall wherein if their doctrine had beene vnderstood J for my speech had never been accused As for the councell of Trent concerning inherent righteousnesse what doth it here No man doubteth but they make another formall cause of iustification then wee doe In respect whereof J haue shewed alreadie that wee disagree about the very esseÌ„ce of that which cureth our spirituall disease Most true it is which the graÌ„d Philosopher hath Every man iudgeth well of that which he knoweth therefore till we knowe the things throughly whereof wee iudge it is a point of iudgement to stay our iudgment 15 Thus much labour being spent in discovering the vnsoundnes of my doctrine some paines he taketh further to open faults in the maner of my teaching as that I bestowed my whole howre and more my time more then my time in discourses vtterly impertinent to my text Which if J had done it might haue past without complaining of to the Privie Counsell 16 But J did worse as he saith I left the expounding of the Scriptures and my ordinary calling and discoursed vpon schoolepoints and questions neither of edification nor of truth J read no lecture in the Law or in Physicke And except the bounds of ordinary calling may bee drawne like

himselfe is by casting his load vpon my backe as if J had brought him by former coÌ„ferences out of hope that any fruit would ever come of conferring with me Loath J am to rip vp those conferences whereof he maketh but a slippery loose relation In one of them the question betweene vs was whether the perswasion of faith concerning remission of sinnes eternall life whatsoever God doth promise vnto man be as free from doubting as the perswasion which we haue by sence concerning things tasted selt and seene For the negatiue J mentioned their example whose faith in Scripture is most commended and the experience which all faithfull men haue continually had of themselues For proofe of the affirmatiue which he held J desiring to haue some reason heard no thing but All good writers oftentimes inculcated At the length vpon request to see some one of them Peter Martyr's common places were brought where the leaues were turned downe at a place sounding to this effect that The Gospell doth make Christians more vertuous then morall Philosophie doth make Heathens which came not neere the question by many miles 22 In the other conference hee questioned about the matter of reprobation misliking first that I had tearmed God a permissiue and no positiue cause of the evil which the schoolemen doe call malum culpae secondly that to their obiection who say If I be elected do what I will I shall be saued I had answered that the will of God in this thing is not absolute but conditionall to saue his elect beleeuing fearing and obediently serving him Thirdly that to stop the mouthes of such as grudge repine against God for reiecting castawaies J had taught that they are not reiected no not in the purpose and counsell of God without a foreseene worthinesse of reiection going though not in time yet in order before For if Gods electing do in order as needs it must presuppose the foresight of their being that are elected though they be elected before they bee nor only the positiue foresight of their being but also the permissiue of their being miserable because electioÌ„ is through mercy and mercy doth alwaies presuppose miserie it followeth that the very chosen of God acknowledge to the praise of the riches of his exceeding free compassion that when he in his secret determination set it downe Those shall liue and not die they lay as vglie spectacles before him as lepers covered with dung mire as vlcers putrified in their fathers loines miserable wor thie to be had in detestation shall any forsaken creature be able to say vnto God Thou didst plunge me into the depth and assigne me vnto endlesse torments onely to satisfie thine owne will finding nothing in mee for which J could seeme in thy sight so well worthie to feele everlasting flames 23 When J saw that Mr Travers carped at these things only because they lay not open J promised at some coÌ„venient time to make them cleere as light both to him and all others Which if they that reproue mee will not grant me leaue to doe they must thinke that they are for some cause or other more desirous to haue me reputed an vnsound man then willing that my sincere meaning should appeare and be approued When J was farther asked what my groundes were J answered that Saint Paules wordes concerning this cause were my groundes His next demaunde what Author J did followe in expounding Saint Paule and gathering the doctrine out of his words against the iudgement he saith of All Churches and All good writers I was well assured that to controule this over-reaching speech the sentences which I might haue cited out of Church confessions togither with the best learned monuments of former times and not the meanest of our owne were mo in number then perhaps he would willingly haue hard of but what had this booted me For although he himselfe in generalitie do much vse those formall speeches All Churches and All good writers yet as he holdeth it in pulpit lawful to say in generall the Painims thinke this or the Heathens that but vtterly vnlawfull to cite anie sentence of theirs that say it so hee gaue mee at that time great cause to thinke that my particular alleadging of other mens words to shew their agreement with mine would as much haue displeased his minde as the thing it selfe for which it had beene alleadged For he knoweth how often hee hath in publique place bitten me for this although I did never in any sermon vse many of the sentences of other writers and do make most without any having alwaies thought it meetest neither to affect nor to contemne the vse of them 24 He is not ignorant that in the very entrance to the talke which we had privatly at that time to proue it vnlawfull altogither in preaching either for confirmation declaratioÌ„ or otherwise to cite any thing but mere canonicall scripture he brought in The scripture is given by inspiration and is profitable to teach improue c. Vrging much the vigour of these two clauses The man of God and every good worke If therefore the worke were good which he required at my haÌ„ds if privatly to shew why I thought the doctrin I had delivered to be according to S. Paules meaning were a good worke can they which take the place before alleaged for a law condemning every man of God who in doing the worke of preaching any way vseth humane authoritie like it in mee if in the worke of strengthning that which I had preached I should bring forth the testimonies and the sayings of mortall men I alleaged therfore that which might vnder no pretence in the worlde bee disallowed namelie reasons not meaning thereby my own reason as now it is reported but true sound divine reason reason whereby those conclusions might be out of S. Paule demonstrated and not probably discoursed of only reason proper to that science whereby the things of God are knowne Theologicall reason without principles in scripture that are plaine soundly deduceth more doubtfull inferences in such sort that being hard they cannot be denyed nor any thing repugnaÌ„t vnto them received but whatsoever was before otherwise by miscollecting gathered out of darke places is thereby forced to yeeld it selfe and the true coÌ„sonant meaning of sentences not vnderstoode is brought to light This is the reason which I intended If it were possible for mee to escape the Ferula in any thing I do or speak I had vndoubtedly escaped it in this In this I did that which by some is inioined as the only allowable but granted by all as the most sure and safe way whereby to resolue things doubted of in matters appertaining to faith and christian religion So that Mr Travers had here smal cause given him to be weary of conferring vnlesle it were in other respects then that poore one which is here pretended that is to say the little hope hee had of doing mee any good by conference

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