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A44015 Stigmai ageĊmetrias, agroichias, antipoliteas, amatheias, or, Markes of the absurd geometry, rural language, Scottish church-politicks, and barbarismes of John Wallis professor of geometry and doctor of divinity by Thomas Hobbes. Hobbes, Thomas, 1588-1679. 1657 (1657) Wing H2261; ESTC R28097 39,934 36

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that it is of the same quantity while it is in the same place but it may be of a different quantity when it goes out of its place as if the place added to or took any quantity from the body placed is nothing but mee● words T is true that the Body which swells changeth place but it is not by becoming it self a greater body but by admixtion of Aire or other body as when water riseth up in boyling it taketh in some parts of Aire But seeing the first place of the body is to the body equal and the second place equal to the same body the places must also be equal to one another and consequently the dimensions of the body remain equal in both places Sir When I said that such Doctrine was taught in the Universities I did not speak against the Universities but against such as you I have done with your Geometry which is one {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} As for your El●quence let the Reader judge whether your● or mine be the more muddy though I in plain s●olding should have out done you yet I have this excuse which you have not that I did but answer your challenge at that weapon which you thou●ht fit to choose The Catalogue of the hard language which you put in at the 3. and 4. pages of your School-discipline I acknowledge to be mine and would have been content you had put in all The titles you say I give you of Fooles Beasts and Asses I do not give you but drive back upon you which is no more then not to own them ●or the rest of the Catalogue I like it so well as you could not have pleased me better then by setting those passages together to make them more conspicuous that 's all the de●ence I will make to your accusations of that kinde And now I would have you to consider whether you will make the like de●ence against the ●aults that I shall ●inde in the Language of your School-Discipline I observe first the facetiousnesse of your Title page Due Correction for Mr. H●●bs or Schoole Discipline for not saying his lessons right what a quibble is this upon the word Lesson Besides you know it has taken winde for you vented it amongst your ac quaintance at Oxford then when my Lessons were but upon the Presse Do you think if you had pretermitted that peece of wit the opinion of your judgement would have been ●re the lesse But you were ●ot content with this but must make this Metaphor from the rod to take up a considerable part of your book in which there is scarce any thing that your self can think wittily said besides it Consider also these words of yours It is to be hoped that in time you may come to learn the Language for you be come to great A already And presently after were I great A before I would be willing to be so used I should wish my self little a a hundred times Sir you are a Doctor of Divinity and a professor of Geometry but do not deceive your self this does not passe for witt in these parts no nor generally at Oxford I have acquaintance there that will blush at the reading it Again in another place you have these words Then you catechize ut what 's your name Are you Geometricians who gave you that name c. Besides in other places such abundance of the like insipid conc●ipts as would make men think if they were no otherwis● acquainted with the Universitv but by reading your Books that the dearth there of salt were very great If you have any passage more like to salt then these are excepting now and anon you may do wel to shew it your acquaintance lest they despise you For since the detection of your Geometry you have nothing left you else to defend you from contempt But I passe over this kinde of eloquence and come to somewhat yet more rurall Page 27. line 1. You say I have given Euclide his Lurry And again pag. 129. l. 11. A●d And now he is lest to learn his Lurry I understand not the word Lurry I never read it before nor heard it as I remember but once and that was when a Clown threatning another Clown said he would give him such a Lurry come poope c. Such words as these do not become a learned mouth much lesse are fit to be Registred in the publick writings of a Doctor of Divinity In another place you have these words just the same to a Cows thumb a pretty Adage Page 2. But pree-thee tell me And again page 95. pree-thee tell me why doest thou ask me such a question and the like in many other places You cannot but know how casy it is and was for me to have spoken to you in the same language Why did I not Because I thought that amongst men that were civilly bred it would have redounded to my shame as you have cause to fear that this will redound to yours But what moved you to speak in that manner were you angry If I thought that the cause I could pardon it the sooner but it must be very great anger that can put a man that pro●esseth to teach good manners so much out of his wits as to ●all into such a language as this of yours It was perhaps an imagination that you were talking to your inferiour which I will not gran● you nor will the Heralds I beleeve trouble themselves to decide the question But howsoever I do not finde that civil men use to speak so to their inferious If you grant my learning but to be equal to yours which you may certainly do without very much disparageing of your self abroad in the world you may think it lesse insolence in me to speak so to you in respect of my age then for you to speak so to me In respect of your young Doctor-ship You will finde that for all your Doctor-ship your elders if otherwise of as go●d repute as yo● will be respected before you But I am not sure that this language of yours proceeded from th●t cause I am rather inclined to think you have not been enough in good company and that there is still somewhat le●t in your manners for which the honest youths ●of Hedington and Nincsey may compare with you ●or good Language as great a Doctor as you ar● For my verses of the Peak though they be as ill in my opinion as I bel●eve they are in yours and made long since yet are they not so obscene as that they ought to be blamed by Dr. Wallis I pray you Sir whereas you have these words in your Schoole-Discipline page 96. unlesse you will say that one and the same motion may be now and anon too what was the reason you put these words now and anon too in a different Character that makes them to be the more taken notice of Do you think that the story of the Minister that uttered his affection if it