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A57814 The Anabaptists lying wonder, &c., returned upon themselves to be tedious or prolix in observation of the ways and methods the Anabaptists have trodden in or observed to bring out their pretended prodigy, might be as erksom to the reader as 'twould be inconvenient to pretermit and not at all to take notice of them ... Rudyard, Thomas, d. 1692. 1672 (1672) Wing R2174; ESTC R35152 6,781 12

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The Anabaptists LYING WONDER c. Returned upon Themselves TO be tedious or prolix in Observation of the Wayes and Methods the Anabaptists have trodden in or observed to bring out their pretended Prodigy might be as Erksom to the Reader as 't would be Inconvenient to pretermit and not at all to take notice of them therefore in short THis Story of theirs was near as hot about six years last past but then upon enquiry made of their Master Ralph James the pretended Preacher of the Gospel and Richard Anderson one of his People it was found a feigned Imagination and ever since has seemed to be buryed in Ashes until February last as their Narrative gives account B. Morley a Visiter of their Churches brought the old Story as new News to Town ushering it in as a PASSAGE OF PROVIDENCE SINCE HIS LAST BEING IN LONDON as having it from R. J's own mouth whom he terms as a Credit to his Story an Elder of his Church Thereupon John Green Feb. 12. 1671. upon his Brethrens pressure writes to R. J. acquaints him That this new vampt Story is affirmed to be a forged Lye of the Independant and Baptist People which he will not believe but rather a Land-Mark of Providence to advise a deluded People This Letter was not a Corrisive sufficient to produce a true Relation but Ralph James thereupon promised him one so soon as he could re-collect or inform himself Therefore this zealous London Brother J. G. finding the fact kept not pace with his Envious Desires dispatched a second Epistle on the 16th of March 1672. with strong Arguments how much of Concernment this piece of Juggle would add to their Cause viz. A Dicision of the great Controversie Strength to the Weak Hands and Feeble Knees of his poor people the eminent Finger of Heaven an eminent Handy-work to strengthen their hands c. and concludes with a desire of the Reason Why this great Handy-work of God had been so long concealed from publication with an Admiration That it hath not been more talked of and openly spread in every Place to the Honour of God and deterring of poor ignorant People Thus this Hypocritical Generation Boy up one another in their fictitious Imaginations attributing to each other and to their refuge of Lyes Epithites exceeding the very Expressions of God's holy Prophets to any one Miraculous Handy-Work of the Lord in any Age or Generation past It appears that the 17th of the Moneth following he returns Answer That he had published the Narrative at that present but saith not a word when that present was but proceeds to tell us That a slavish Fear possessed him which prevented his sooner publication thereof Answ And certainly Fear shall surprize the Hypocrite and Shame shall be over the Head of the Transgressor He proceeds Thinking that my Friends and others that had seen it would have thought that I had gloryed in it Answ A Guilty Conscience stood not in need of an Accuser and hadst thou kept to the Reproofs thereof to this day hadst thou been silent and certainly it might have gained the more credit in the World had it come from some of the pretended Credible Persons Eye and Ear Witnesses of the Fact as in the Front of the Libil its avered there were although not any such thing appears in their whole Treatise but the the first and last Witness declare they had this Relation from Ralph James his own mouth and the other pretend not to be Eye or Ear Witnesses unto that Discourse with R. James or the Affliction of R. A's Family Therefore R. James to let the World know this fignal Mark of his being a true Prophet he 's forc'd to give out the Narrative himself and to be a Lying Herald of his own Vain-glory in which he doth not a little boast himself In short He avers That one Richard Anderson a Quaker disputing with him whether the Spirit was to try Scripture or the Scripture the Spirit that R. A. averring the first and he the said R. J. being of the contrary Opinion that R. A. should say That he had authority to pronounce him that is R. J. a Leper and that within a short time after the Lord was pleased to smite one of R. A 's Children as R. A. said spotted all over himself his Wife and his other Children with a restless Pain in their Bodies so that he was forced to come again and confess he was deceived and that R. Anderson should afterwards come to the Anabaptist publick Meeting where the Congregation prayed for him his Wife and Children and that thereupon they were all restored to Health which afterwards R. A. keeping to their Meetings confessed This briefly is the substance of his Relation the Particulars whereof shall be tryed by the Circumstances of their own Relation and other pregnant Proofs 1. That R. A. of Panton was a Quaker as is deceitfully insinuated 2. That his Child was Leprous and He and his Wife and Family afflicted with Pain both are denyed To answer the first viz. that he was a Quaker observe his Relation pag. 8. 1. Wherein R. James acknowledges he came to the Baptists Meeting to hear the Gospel preached 2. He affirms that he was there convinced and did believe that Baptism in Water was an Ordinance of God and that both Men and Women ought to be Baptized that is Dipt in Water whereby it appears that he was at first of the Anabaptists Faith vide pag. 8. of the Narrative 3. But how came he to be a Quaker see the Narrative after he had made his Confession of Faith he went away and before their next Meeting he met with the People called Quakers who told him He must not look to their outward Ordinances and thereupon he much contended against the Baptism that is Dipping of Water What therefore a Quaker 4. Appears it that ever more then once he went to the Quakers Ralph James the Relator was present with him so he might have been so ingenious to declare that part of Truth and not put us to the trouble of search 5. Yet in his Letter before the Narrative he affirms that R. A. never went to the Quakers more but continued at the Anabaptists Meetings till a Warrant came to break them up then he went away so that it doth not appear but he better deserves the Name of an Anabaptist then a Quaker by thus much of his own shewing 6. But where did he meet with the Quakers or how long was he with them were worthy of our Knowledge Answer A Relation subscribed by the said R. A. bearing date the 20th of the 1st Moneth called March 1671. attested by one Katherine Hall an Inhabitant in Panton and also Lawrence Marshal and Thomas Richardson Persons very well known in that Country gives us this Account viz. Richard Anderson saith That he never was at a Quakers Meeting save only he being at Lincoln at an Assize-time about Eight or Nine Years ago he heard one