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A16154 An answer to the demands of a great prelate Touching the hierarchy of the Church. And the just defence of priviledges, and religious men.; RĂ©ponse aux demandes d'un grand prelate. English Binet, Etienne, 1569-1639. 1626 (1626) STC 3073.5; ESTC S120424 67,379 232

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it you see I say all this in fauour of Regulars on the one side and on the other a petty Canon of Bolonia who in fine is not indeede contrary to vs though he be so in apparance 14. Rendring therefore to my Lords the Prelates that which their quality deserues and their vertues require that which the Councell of Trent ordaynes that which use right and custome haue made to passe in the nature of a Law and honoring parsons and Curates and loving them with particular affection and withall exhorting all devout men to doe honour to their parsons or Curates to frequent their parishes to pay in all their rights and yet notwithstanding hauing those so authentical priviledges in their hands and the possession of so many yeares why doe men complaine so much of poore Religious men who very often reape no other thing but much paine and travaile Oh no man knoweth what it is to be a good Confessarius but such a man as is in a very ordinary exercise thereof Alas what a huge patience is needfull what kinde of longanimity what a condiscending what a company of repetitions must bee endured how many uncleannesses what hazards what a company of ill houres Is there perhaps so great pleasure in feeding uppon nothing but the sinnes of the people and with Saint Peter to devoure Dragons Vipers and a million of bruite beasts full of venoime I doe rather thinke that men should haue pitty of such poore men then enuy and giue thankes to these poore Martyres and Confessours for their paines they suffer rather then to arraigne them thus and make warre upon them Some of my Lords the prelates haue themselues beene willing to heare Confessions and they haue done it with great edification but wee haue knowne of very few who haue long continued in that course so tough so dangerous and so greatly wearisome is that businesse 15. As for us if wee were to take our turne in pleading certainely I would cite no other Canon then that of Omnis vtriusque sexus with the Glosse of one of our Synodes of France The Text sayth that a man must confesse himselfe to his Proper Priest or else haue his leaue to Confesse himselfe to another Now who is this Proper Priest who may giue the leaue Let us heare the Synode of Langres in the yeare of our Lord 1421. Ne remaneat aliqua haestitatio quis proprius dicatur Sacerdos declaramus prout etiam jura doctores declarant quod Proprius Sacerdos est Papa ejus Legatus Paenitentiarius Diocesanus Vicarius Generalis ille cui cura suae Parochialis Ecclesiae est commissa After this I beseech you what can more be sayd 16. There resteth onely now this complaint that parishes are forsaken and that consequently Priests studie not that men goe not to their Sermons that for spite they leaue all that Religious men deuoure all and that their Churches swell with people whilest parishes are forsaken to the great contempt of the Hierarchy of the Church That now few are found who will bee parsons or Vicars especially in Villages and therefore Bishops grow to finde much difficulty in furnishing their Dioceses by meanes whereof all goes to ruine and soules are damned and yet Bishops in the meane time are as much obliged in the sight of God to haue care of their Dioceses as the Pope hath of his and of the Vniversall Church Besides that Priests finding themselues not to bee imployed and that persons of quality goe to Confesse themselues elsewhere and that men make no great account of their Sermons they spend not their time in studie and not studing they giue themselues to idlenesse and from idlenesse growes the rest in such sort that Regulars are the cause of these mischiefes and that secular priests grow to bee irregular and it belongeth to Bishops to redresse these things who groane in the meane time under this burthen and know not how to apply good and effectuall remedies 17. Behold here great store of crimes hudled vp one vpon another and behold a grieuous mortall sinne whereof by mischance the Regulars meane not to confesse themselues to be guilty And the reason is because they knowe it not and they found themselues vpon this that non entis proprié non est scientia And they make good that they are not the cause of these mischiefes in the strength of these maximes of Lawe which is receiued throughout the whole world Qui vtitur iure suo nemini facit iniuriam For what shall it not be lawfull for me to doe well for feare least others do ill for spight What will you say if God haue sent Religious men into the world as Renatus Benedictus said to awake them of the Church who were sleeping And certainely these are the motiues which Popes assigne in their Buls of priuiledges and which deserue to be read and well weighed with a mind full of respect and piety God himselfe discouered this to Pope Innocent the third when he shewed him the Church as if it had bene falling to the ground and Saint Dominicke and Saint Francis who shouldred it vp so happily that they kept it on foote and restored it to the former place But let vs passe from this discourse which yet neuerthelesse is not impertinent For considering the incredible good which God hath vouchsafed to worke by meanes of Regulars ouer the whole world wee haue reason to praise his infinite goodnesse to render him all glory for it and to hope that they may yet be able to serue him in the assistance of many soules 18. O how I loue that good and gallant Parson in Paris whom all you my Lords do also loue and verily he deserues it who sayd thus after an Apostolicall manner and with a generous heart Let vs do better then Religious men and beleeue me the Religious men will be more affraid of vs then we of them The world followeth vertue or the opinion of vertue or both together that which we should doe Religious men striue to doe but let vs striue to do that which they do and their Houses will be more forsaken then ours Let vs adorne our Churches as they do let vs make learned and deuoute Sermons which may greatly edifie our people let vs liue as we speake let vs cultiuate the soules of our Parishioners let vs make choice of Priests of good liues let all go orderly in our Churches let vs lay all our interests at the feete of the Crucifixe and this will be the most powerfull meanes to defend vs and to mainetaine vs in our rights and to haue cause to feare nothing But otherwise to make such a noyse and to doe nothing but cry out without ceasing and to tosse Excommunications vp and downe and to be sending threats all this makes for nothing but discourse without producing any fruit and mens minds are so made that by this meanes they rather growe wild then soft and sweete and restored to the
should beleeue him alone against a sacred torrent of so many others hee would giue mee little thankes for it and truely I haue no minde to offend him Would hee disagree from St. Bonauenture hee who in effect did nothing but by the aduice of Panigarola a man of the same Order and farre inferiour to Saint Bonauenture Pardon mee my Lords if I tell you that the Historie of St. Charles his life doth carry other manner of reasons with it then that which you alleadge how hee came to make his Diocesse so flourishing for that story tels us that the thing which made him victorious ouer so many impediments and inabled him to doe what hee listed was this which followeth 1. That hee led a holy and irreprehensible life L. 1. c. 8. 2. Hee did ordinarily fast and L. 8. c. 21. that oftentimes with bread and water yea and euen when hee was present at Feasts and he fasted for deuotion and not for thrift 3. Hee gaue ouer in one morning L. 2. c. 2. the reuenew of threescore thousand Crownes by the yeare and who would not beleeue a man who should at once alleadge threescore thousand reasons which weigh at the least a Crowne a peece 4. Hee alwayes euerie day recited L. c. 2. 8. his Breuiarie with his knees bent and his head bare and he euen blotted it all out with teares which his deuotion shed in so great aboundance 5. Hee did neuer in effect goe out L. 2. c. 2. of his Diocesse 6. Hee gaue almes euen almost L. 4. c. 3. l. 8. c. 28. beyond the meanes he had 7. He serued with his owne hands L. 4. c. 3. such persons as had plague soares vppon them 8. He made the visitation of his Diocesse on foote and hee performed his Pilgrimages after the same manner 9. He daily celebrated masse with an L. 8. c. 2. incredible deuotion and with a Majesty which was more then humane 10. Hee was peraduenture the L. 8. c. 16. most humble man of all his Diocesse and did in his very soule beleeue more meanely of himselfe then of any seruant hee had 11. He was indefatigable in the L. 8. c. 31. execution of his Office 12. Vnder his Scarlet hee wore a L. 8. c. 31. hard and rough haire-cloath 13. Hee tooke his rest eyther vppon L. 8. c. 3. the bare ground or else vppon straw which was as hard 14. He would read the holy Bible vppon his knees and with his head bare and the while hee would shed aboundance of teares 15. Hee carried a tender loue towards the seraunts of God 16. Euery yeare he made the spirituall L. 8. c. 5. exercises twice sometimes in the Nouiciate at Nouellara which my Lady his sister had founded vnder father Anthonio Valentino a Iesuite of whom I haue vnderstood thus much and sometimes at Arona in the Nouilitate which hee had founded himselfe and then hee did euer make his generall Confession 17. He would neuer do any thing L. 1. c. 4. without taking verie wise counsell and hee did exceedingly distrust his owne iudgement 18. Hee was euer the first at good workes at the Office of the Church at Sermons at the visiting of Hospitals and seruing the sicke 19. Hee was greatly exact and L. 8. c. 3. carefull not to giue holy Orders nor Benifices but to persons very capable and of good life 20. He would doe nothing of importance L. 8. c. 3. without communicating it first to the Pope and his Councell whom hee honoured as the Oracle of Heauen This in effect is that my Lords which gaue him so great power to make a reformation through his whole Diocesse and not eyther seculers or Regulers or such other aydes as those in fine in the midst of all impediments and when the whole seculer power would oppose it selfe to his designes the Gouernours of Millan sent worde to King Phillip the second that they were not able to resist him and the King would ordinarily make this answere Pues●el Arcobispo es vn sancto Let this Arch-bishop alone for hee is a uery Saint The Arch-bishop Visconte his successour a most wise man and whom I haue heard Preach would sometimes bee making the same offers but the same King answered concerning him Luego este no es saincto No sayth he the case is not the same For this man is not yet a Saint when hee shal be so wee will speake with him againe So that the beleefe which was had of the sanctity of Saint Charles was that which made him so omnipotent doe but giue me some Saint Charles like him and there shal be no Barbarisme which shall not be tamed and euen made holy in a short time but without that there will be much to do whosoeuer he be that goes about it and Charles Baromeus would not haue wrought those wonders if hee had not beene St. Charles All this say you goes well but in fine Saint Charles did not serue himselfe of Religious men in making that Reformation Though that were so yet the Pope his Vncle serued himselfe of them and so did the greatest Cardinalls of his time who found that they had no cause to repent it Farnesse at Rome Paleotta at Bolonia Valerio at Verona Priuli at Venice Medici at Florence and Este at Ferara that I may say nothing of my Lords the Cardinals of France whose memory is both in benediction and admiration hee of Bourbon of Vendosme of Lorayne of Tornon and so many others And these two last being men of very great judgement and reputation resolued when they dyed to breath out their soules in the hands of Religious men and to leaue their heartes depositated amongst them in testimony of an euerlasting loue And I will also forbeare to say any thing of such as liue and of an innumerable number of most eminent Prelates of France yea and of Europe who haue found themselues well at case by not hauing beene of that opinion which heere is attributed to Saint Charles I could here say much of those great Cardinalls of Ioyuse of Condy of Retz of Peron of Ciury and of so many others but I will forbeare and passe no further vpon this poynt But we will yet say better to you and I am content that Saint Charles be made the Iudge of al this questions for either the story of his life deceiues vs or certainely my Lords you will loose your cause So true it is that Saint Charles did the just contrary of all that which some men would make the World beleeue See how he did it and what his life relates When hee was conuerted in good earnest to God and to that eminent manner L. 1. c. 5. of life which he grew to lead he took for his guide Father Iohn Baptista L. 1. c. 5. Ribera a Iesuite When hee resolued to make his entry into Millan and to dispose of that people hee chose Father