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A64989 The foundation of God standeth sure, or, A defence of those fundamental and so generally believed doctrines of the Trinity of persons in the unity of the divine essence, of the satisfaction of Christ, the second person of the real and glorious Trinity, of the justification of the ungodly by the imputed righteousness of Christ, against the cavils of W.P.J. a Quaker in his pamphlet entituled The sandy foundation shaken &c. : wherein his and the Quakers hideous blasphemies, Socinian and damnably-heretical opinions are discovered and refuted ... / by Thomas Vincent. Vincent, Thomas, 1634-1678. 1668 (1668) Wing V438; ESTC R25705 51,791 83

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as much as the former doth of Divinity for a subsistence is not the form of a he as you suppose it to be but it is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the manner of his being the form of God the Father is his divine nature but his subsistence is his manner of being in the relative property of the Father and the form of God the Son is the same divine nature but his subsistence is his manner of being in the relative property of a Son and the form of God the Holy Ghost is the same divine nature but his subsistence is his manner of being in the relative property of the Holy Ghost as proceeding from the Father and the Son and now having found a subsistence that is not the form of a he I hope I shall be justified from the imputation of ignorance at least as to this particular And till their Hypothesis be of better authority G. W. neither did nor doth design mens inventions so much honor What authority our Hypothesis is of is at present left to the Reader to judge but shall certainly be proved one day to be of such authority as neither G. W. nor W. P. shall be able to withstand But what you mean by designing mens inventions so much honor is not easie to to conjecture unless you would have us to think it is an honor to be reproached by G. W. and it is not impossible that they who thrust all expressions of true honor out of the world should account their incivilities an honor to those on whom they bestow them For it is to be remarked that G. W. is no otherwise a Blasphemer then by drawing direct consequences from their own Principles and recharging them upon themselves What direct consequences did he draw from our Principles his telling the people that this Doctrine was the cause of those gross apprehensions that ignorant people have of God the Father as if he were an old man and of Christ like a little childe c. and his comparing the three increated persons the Father Son and Holy Ghost to three Apostles Paul Peter and Iohn and his asserting the separate essences in God as the result of three distinct persons are no direct consequences from our Principles but these are the things for which he is justly charged with Blasphemy and if it be Blasphemy to say that man is equal with God I know not how it can be any thing less than Blasphemy to say that God is but equal with man either as to his essence or subsistence and that because three distinct men are three distinct substances which was the meaning of his comparison but is boldly asserted by you in your Pamphlet page 13. Reas. 1. I tremble to see and read such black lines So that he did not speak his own apprehensions in this comparison but the sense of their assertion Our assertion will bear no such sense For though according to the Scripture we call them Persons or He 's in respect of their manner of subsistence yet we still remove all imperfections limitations and separation from the Divine Essence Therefore Blasphemer and Blasphemy are their own Your premises being disproved your conclusion necessarily falls to the ground he that made that unfit Comparison and drew those reproachful consequences from this Scripture-truth with a design to blast and overthrow the Deity of Christ and the Holy Ghost he is the Blasphemer and his is the blasphemy but that was G. W. and W. P. therefore you are the Blasphemers and yours is the Blasphemy The Lord convince you both of this your wickedness and give you repentance that you may recant those damnable speeches whereby you have not onely blasphemed God your selves but endeavored to provoke others to do the like Now to God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Ghost the one Holy and onely Wise God be glory now and ever CHAP. IV. The Conclusion of the Narrative with an Answer unto W. Pen's Postscript and Cavils against T. V's Sermon TO conclude the Narrative of our meeting with the Quakers in Spittle-yard when I saw I could get no answer to the Arguments I had urged for the proof of the Trinity and the day was now worn away I thought it would be but lost time and imposing upon the Auditory to hold them longer there in discourse with such rambling Disputants who expressed cunning in nothing more than in putting by the thrusts and dints of Arguments with diverting speeches which if they had received the force of with direct reply their weakness would quickly have appeared to the people by their falling down before them therefore calling for silence I did shut up the Discourse with prayer and here W. P. puts forth the sting of the serpent and discovereth the prophaness of his spirit in terming my prayers strangely affected Whines What more opprobious terms would the Dam-me Blades of the times or the most wicked Scoffers of God and Godliness have used and whether I falsly accused them for Blasphemers unto God let the Hearers of their Discourse and the Readers of his Pamphlet with the Answer judge That there was stigmatizing the Quakers with the name of Blasphemers is owned and proved the other of Impudent Villain as also that there should be striking I am confident is a falshood for I never either saw it or heard any complain of it and it is well known that in all our meetings there is peace and if there were any rudeness it was when the Quakers came amongst us I am sure it was very rude in them to stay and make such a bauling amongst the people after a dismiss was required when those which could have answered I cannot say stilled them were retired W. P. tells the Reader that T. V. came palely down stairs I fear W. P. hath some defect in his eye-sight and indeed if the eyes of his body were no clearer than the eyes of his mind he might easily mistake T. V. had more reason to blush to hear the hideous Blasphemies which were vented by them surely he had no reason to look pale through fear of any big Arguments which they had used against the truth lest they should have knockt him on the head as he came down stairs W. P. chargeth T. V. with a promise of another meeting with them the promise was not absolute as several can witness if it had been it could not be called a breach of promise if he sent them word he would meet with some of them as G. W. W. P. and a few others since points might more calmly be debated and truth might in likelyhood be better sifted before a few than before such a multitude And as to that which W. P. speaketh of clearing themselves from their Accusations of Blasphemy he meaneth I wonder he should ever think to wipe off the name of a Blasphemer except he should renounce his error there being Blasphemy in the very denial of the Doctrine of the Trinity so that