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A59903 A vindication of the Brief discourse concerning the notes of the church in answer to a late pamphlet entituled, The use and great moment of the notes of the church, as delivered by Cardinal Bellarmin, De notis ecclesiae, justified ...; De notis ecclesiae Sherlock, William, 1641?-1707. 1687 (1687) Wing S3374; ESTC R18869 41,299 72

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