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A08533	The picture of a Puritane: or, A relation of the opinions, qualities, and practises of the Anabaptists in Germanie, and of the Puritanes in England VVherein is firmely prooued, that the Puritanes doe resemble the Anabaptists, in aboue fourescore seuerall thinges. By Oliuer Ormerod, of Emmanuel Colledge in Cambridge. Wherunto is annexed a short treatise, entituled, Puritano-papismus: or a discouerie of Puritan-papisme.	Ormerod, Oliver, 1580?-1626.	1605 (1605)	STC 18852; ESTC S113478	77,758	124

idolatrous persons in the Popes Church This also made them to holde that Baptisme ministred by lay-men or by women was not effectuall The Englishman Our Sectaries holde that the Baptisme of women is d T. C. page 113. no more the holy Sacrament of Baptisme then any other daily or ordinary washing of the Childe that those which haue beene baptized by women ought to be rebaptized against whose folly to vse M. Caluins wordes we shall Ibidem sufficiently be defended if we thinke that we were baptized not in the name of any man but in the name of the Father of the Sonne and of the holy Ghost Let not this my speech cause you to thinke that women are permitted with vs to baptize as some slaunderous Puritanes haue informed some reuerend men beyond the Seas nor that I goe about to prooue that women may lawfully baptize For God forbid that I should teach them to vsurpe an office whereunto they be not called Onely I withstand this errour viz that baptisme ministered by no women is no more the holy Sacrament of Baptisme then daily or ordinarie washing for I hold that although to vse S. Augustines wordes a August lib. 2. contra epist Parmen c. 13. it be vsurped without necessitie and is giuen of any man to any man yet that which is giuen cannot be saide not to be giuen albeit it may rightly be said not to be rightly giuen The 52. Sēblance The Germaine OVr Anabaptists by vrging these things before named brought as b Bucer in his censure vpon the com Book Bucer truely reporteth Baptisme into contempt The Englishman Our Puritanes by their teaching that Ministers are de ipsa baptismi essentia of the being of baptisme by their auouching that the word of God must of necessitie be preached before the Administration of Baptisme and by their denying the necessitie of Baptisme haue made men thinke that the externall signes of this Sacrament is but a bare ceremony and in no sense necessarie to saluation Thus doth their Doctrine tend to the derogation of this holy Sacrament Therefore I may say of these our factious Teachers as c Caluin aduers Anabapt Caluin doth of your Anabaptists Though they say that the grace of God towards vs is not diminshed if Infants bee not admitted to Baptisme yet I will shewe that it is much diminished for wee must esteeme the grace of God especially by the declaration thereof which he maketh both by his word and Sacraments Seeing therefore that Baptisme is now ordayned that the promise of saluation may be sealed in our bodies as it was in times past in the people of the Iewes Christians should be depriued of a singular consolation if their children should be secluded from this confirmation which all the faithfull haue at all times inioyed that they should haue the visible signe whereby the Lord doth shewe and witnesse that he receiueth their children into the fellowship of the Church The Germane The 53. Sēblance ALthough our Anabaptists taught that Infants ought not to be baptized yet before they broached this their heresie they found fault only with ceremonies vsed in Baptisme and namely they said that a Bulling Fol 10 214. interrogatories ministred to sucking Infants are meere fooleries The Englishman Your Anabaptists then fell from schisme into heresie for first as you say they scorned interrogatories and other ceremonies vsed in baptizing of Infants and then afterwards did vtterly condemne baptizing of them I pray God that our Puritanes do not the like for they haue alreadie requested that b In their petition exhibited to the Kinges Maiestie interrogatories ministred to Infants c. as superfluous may be taken away Yea T. C. hath euen in scornfull tearmes vttered against interrogatories ioyned with the Anabaptists c T. C. page 134. sect vlt. This questioning saith he can be little better tearmed then a very trifling and toying But farre otherwise speaketh Maister d Perkins in his exposition of the cre●d fol. 4 Perkins of it for he saith that this manner of questioning was vsed euen from the time of the Apostles I wonder then with what face our Puritanes can tearme this questioning trifling and toying the which was vsed both in the dayes of the Apostles and in the next age after them as appeareth by the writings of e Dyonis Areopag de ecclesiast Hirarch lib 7. Dyonisius Areopagita f Iustin Mart. 1 Apol. Iusti●● Martyr g Tertul. de corona militis Tertullian h cyprian epist 6. 12. Cyprian i Orig. homil 5. 12. in numer Origen k Basil despir sancto cap. 27. Basil l Ambros de Sacram. Lib. 1. cap. 2. lib. 2. cap 7. hexam lib. 1. cap. 4. Ambrose m Chrysost Homil. ●1 a● populum A●tioch Chrisostome n C●s de incarnat Lib. ● cap. 5. Cassi●nus o August epist ad Bonifacium Augustine p Gyr●l in catech●si mystagogica Cyrill q Isidor de officiis ecclesiast Lib. 1. Isidore r Raban de institut clericorum cap. 10. Rabanus and others But to leaue your administration of Baptisme did your Anabaptists finde any fault with your celebration of the Lords Supper The Germaine The 54. Sēblance YEs they cried out as a Bullinger Fol. 9. 18. Bullinger also relateth that the Lords supper was not sincerely ministred in Germanie according to the custome of the Apostolike Church The Englishman Our Puritanes likewise say that our b Admon 2 Fol. 42 43 Sacraments are wickedly mangled and prophaned yea and wickedly ministred Yea they crie out with your Anabaptists c Admon 1 page 95. sect 3 that things are not reduced to the Apostolike Church that in the Apostles time they read not the Nicene creede in their communion nor fragments of the Epistle and Gospell d Admon 95● sect r that they receyued it sitting e Admon page 99 that then it was deliuered generally and indefinitely Take yee end eate yee not particularly and singularlie Take thou and eate thou f Admon page 100 that they ministred the Sacraments plainely not pompouslie with Singing Piping Surplesse and Cope wearing g Admon page 103. 104 that they ministred them simply as they receiued it from the Lorde wee sinnefully mixt with mans inuentions and deuises Loe this is their rayling against our sincere administration of the Lords Supper Did your Sectaries come neare them The Germaine The 55. Sēblance Yes ours said that wee were so farre from imitating the Apostles in these things as that indeede h Bulling fol 9 18 wee conformed our selues to the Papists The Englishman So doe our Puritanes too for they say that wee haue i Admon page 94 an Introite brought in by Pope Celestinus that k Admon page 97 wee minister it with Wafer Cakes brought in by Pope Alexander beeing in forme fashion and substance like their God of

other sleights besides these that you haue already mencioned The Germaine The 9. semblance YEs b Sleidan in C●m 5. there was one Thomas Muncer a Preacher who as Sleidan and other Germaine-writers reporte did greately labour both by his conferences in priuate by his Sermons in publike to draw the common people from their liking of the present estate The Englishman It hath likewise beene the practise of our factious preachers in their verball Sermons to speake against the stat● ecclesiasticall the book of common prayer the rites ceremonies of the Church of England For the proofe heereof I referre you to the very confession of their owne lippes On Tuesday saith c Anno 1586. one of their owne side T. C. kept Maister Fens Lecture the Text Psalme 122 4. Vnto the end taking thornes as T●emelius doth and vrging the discipline the want whereof he affirmed to be the cause that some friendes for sooke our Church And as this is the practise of some of our factious Ministers in England so is it also the practise of the same faction in Scotland Yea d 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Page 38. 39. they snapper out grosselye with the truth of their intentions informing the people that all Kinges and Princes are naturally enemies to the libertye of the Church and can neuer patientlye beare the yoake of Christ with such sound Doctrine fed they their flockes The Germaine The 10. Sēblance THe Anabaptists did not content themselues therewithal but to the end they might doe y● more harme they published factious Bookes to the view of the world as may bee gathered by this speech of Maister Zuinglius to the Magistrates in his time a Zuinglius de Baptism Si hoc cuiuis hominum impune facere licebit vt quae priuato suae rationis consilio adinuenit in vulgus spergat inconsulta imo resistente etiam vniuersatotius ecclesiae authoritate breui plus errorum quam fidelium Christianorum in ecclesia erit cernere If it bee lawfull for euery man to publish abroad among the people those thinges which he hath deuised of his owne head before he hath consulted with the Church nay against the authoritie of the whole Church in short time we shall see more errours in the Church then there be faithful men and Christians And in an other place Si hoc permittamus vt capitosus quisque male-feriatus homo c. If we suffer euery headie braineles fellow so soone as he hath conceiued any new thing in his minde to publish it abroad gather disciples and make a new sect in short time we shall haue so many sects factions that Christ which scarse with a great paine and labour is brought to vnitie in euery church should be deuided againe into many parts The Englishman Neyther did our Puritanes therewithall content themselues but that their poyson might ranckle the farther to the disturbance perrill both of the Church common-wealth they haue published a great number of Bookes which are as fit for the fire as the Bookes of curious Artes Act. 19. Yea and they haue also exhorted the common-people to peruse these their sedicious Pamphlets I pray you say they b In a Booke of theirs entituled the state of the church of England c. Page 10. when you come to London see if you can get these bookes The Ecclesiastical Discipline A learned discourse of Ecclesiasticall gouernment The Counterpoyson A Se●mon on the 12. to the Romans and Ma●ster Cartwights last reply some of which bookes haue been extant this dozen yeares and yet are not them answered and you shall there finde that the gouernment of the Church is contrary to the word of God But not to speake onely of their Bookes in g●nerall l●t vs take a view of the Contents thereof in particular The Germaine Our Sectaries did stuffe their bookes with inuectiues and out-cries both against the Magistracie and the Ministerie TO begin with the Magistracie they taught as Maister The 11. sēblance a Bulling aduers Anabap. Fol. 19. Bullinger also recordeth that the Ci●il Magistrate hath no authoritie in Ecclesiasticall matters and that hee ought not to meddle in causes of Religion and Faith The Englishman Our Sectaries come not farre behinde them heerein as appeareth by these their spee●hes b T. C. lib. 1. Page 192 for the making of orders and ceremonies in the Church saith T. C. they doe where there is a constituted ordered Church pertaine vnto the Ministers of the church and to the Ecclesiasticall gouernours and that as they meddle not with the making of ciuill Lawes and Lawes for the common-wealth so the ciuill Magistrate hath not to ordaine ceremonies partaining to the Church c T. C lib 2 Page 1●5 And againe No ciuil Magistrates in councels or assemblies for Church-matters can eyther be chiefe moderator ouer-ruler Iudge or d●t●rminer d Admon 2 No ciuil Magistrate say the admonitors hath such authoritie as that without his consent it should not be lawfull for ecclesiasticall persons to make any church-order or ceremonie e Admon 1 And againe To these three ioyntlie that is the Ministers Seniors and D●acons is the whole regiment of the Church to be committed By this you may see that our Sectaries doe shake hands both with the Anabaptists the Papists But albeit these three contrary factions haue vnited ioyned themselues together and doe al ioyntly oppugne the Princes authoritie in causes ●cclesiasticall yet the authoritie of the sacred Scriptures the judgement of the auncient Fath●rs the decisions of auncient Counsels and the practi●e of Christian Princes in the p●imatiue Church are able to seuer and dis-ioyne all their forces To beginne with the Scriptures they giue sufficient warrant to ciuill Gouernours to ordaine Lawes in Ecclesiastical causes and doe expressely teach that a 2. Reg 12 4 2 Chro. 19. 4. Ibid●m 30 1 34. 3. Iehosaphat Hezekias and Iosias did make Lawes for the recalling excercising of the Seruice of God As for the Fathers they holde it to bee an Oracle for truth that b Aug. Epi. 48 Kinges doe serue Christ in making lawes for Christ Yea c Aug. Epi. 50 Rex aliter seruit Domino saith Saint Augustine quia homo est aliter quia etiam Rex est Quia homo est ei seruit viuendo fideliter quia vero Rex est seruit leges iust a praecipientes contraria prohibentes conuenienti vigore sanciendo A King serueth the Lord one way as he is a man and an other way as he is a King As hee is a man he serueth him by liuing faithfully As he is a King he serueth him by making lawes with conuenient vigor to cōmaunde that which is right and forbid the contary But not to insist onely vpon Saint Augustins iudgement The d Vide Sozomen lib. 1. cap 17. Bishops that came to the counsell of Nice gaue to the Emperour

the proofe therof is that place of th● Psalme Hee shall giue his Angels Psal 91. 11 charge ouer thee to keepe thee in all thy waies that is so long as thou keepest thy selfe within the wayes of thy calling so long shall my Angels preserue thee Now compare these two places together and you shal see that the Deuill quoted the Scriptures very Sophistically and subtilly alleadging onely so much as serued for his turne and leauing out that which made against him viz to keepe thee in all thy waies The Englishman And did your Anabaptists the like The Germaine The 42. sēblance YEs as appeareth by this speech of b Zuinglius de Baptisme Zuinglius They haue not thing else in their mouthes but onely this docete et baptizate teach and baptize Behold say they the commandement of Christ In the meane time they doe not mark nay indeede they will not marke that the same thing which they so much crye vppon doctrine is afterward also set after when as he saith docentes eos seruare c. And againe we haue the word of God more cleere and plaine then yours which is teaching you to obserue all thinges which I haue commaunded you and th●se words are put after and not before Baptisme The Englishman Our Admonitors vsed the same Diabolicall Sophistrye for to prooue that there ought to bee a paritie of Ministers c Admō pag● 124 sect 1. they doe quote 2. Cor. 10 7. but they conceale the words immediately following which bee these For though I should boast some-what more of our authoritie c. I should haue no shame Our of these wordes which they in their quotation doe leaue out Maister Caluin gathereth the quite contrary d caluin i● Cor. 10. 7 It was for modestye saith hee that he ioyned himselfe to their number whome he did farre excell and yet hee would not be so modest but that he would keepe his authoritie safe therefore he addeth that he spak● lesse then of right hee might haue done For he was not of the common sorte of Ministers but one of the chiefe among the Apostles and therefore hee saith if I boast more I neede not be ashamed for I haue a good cause And againe although the selfe same office bee common to all the Ministers of the word yet there be degrees of honour But what other false quotations of theirs haue you obserued The Germaine The 43. sēblance OVr Anabaptists for the establishing of their kinde of discipline by excommunication quoted Mat. 18. 15. for which cause Maister Caluin reprooueth them saying a Caluin aduers Anabapt but they are againe deceiued in that they consider not that the Lord speaketh in that place of secret faults for as for those which are manifest and giue vnto the people cause of offence they are to bee corrected by other meanes then by secret admonitions The Englishman So did our late Reuerend Arch-bishop also reprooue T. C. for alleadging the selfe same place to the establishing of his pretended holy discipline b In his defence of the answere to the Admonition page ●0 Where haue you learned saith he that Christ in the 18. of Mathew dooth appoint any generall rule for publique offences such as negligence and contempt in frequenting publique prayers and hearing the word of God is the verie wordes of Christ If thy Brother trespasse against thee c. Do teach that be meaneth not thereof open and knowne but of secret and particular sinnes c. To conclude thus in euery page of their Bookes alleadge they the Scriptures not considering that diuine Axiome which a late c Keckerman in lib. 3. Systē logici cap. 16 Logitian hath gathered out of the auncient Fathers viz Testimonium Dei alieno sensu acceptum nulla● in probando vi● habet But what other manner of reasoning vsed they The Germaine The 44. sēblance THey did also vsually reason as a Zuinglius in Elencho contra Catabapt The Englishman Our Sectaries vse the selfe same vitious and Anabaptisticall kinde of reasoning for if you conferre or dispute with them eyther about our Discipline or about the ceremonies vsed in our Church they will immediately reason thus b Argum ● fact● ad i●s This or that Discipline is vsed in reformed Churches beyond the Seas ergo we must vse the same c Argum ● non fact● ad n●● ius Or thus this or that ceremonie is not vsed in the church of Geneua ergo we must not vse it This kinde of reasoning the Admonitors vsed in their preface to the Admonition and it is also now adaies vsed of their Proselytes and followers who like of nothing well but of that which cōmeth from Geneua I will therfore send them to Geneua for an answere d Beza contra Sarrau page 127. We of Geneua saith a learned mā of the church speaking of this church of England doe not prescribe to any Church to followe our pec●liar example like vnto ignorant men who thinke nothing well but that which they doe themselues But to leaue this their Sophistrie did not your Anabaptists yeelde to the truth when they heard it demōstrated vnto them and these their sophisimes confuted The Germaine The 45. sēblance NO they were as e Bullinger aduers Anabap. Fo● 78. 244. Bullinger reporteth stubborne and wilfull and would not recant though they were conuicted by disputation The Englishman Our gracious Soueraigne was at his first entrie into this Realme f See the Proclamation for the auth●●●z entertained importuned with informations of sundrie ministers cōplaining of the errors and imperfections of the church heere as wel in matters of Doctrin● as of Discipline And because the importunity of the complainers was great their affirmations vehement and the zeale wherewith the same did seeme to be accompained very specious His Highnes caused a conference to bee had at his Honor of Hampton Court in the month of Ianuary last where before his Maiestie and his priuie Counsell were assembled many of the greatest Bishops and Prelates and many other learned men as well of those that were conformable to the state of the Church establ●shed as of those which dissented The sucesse of this conference was such as happeneth to many other thinges which mooue great expectation before they be entred into but in their a Pariuriunt montes nascetur ridiculus mus issut produce small effects For his Highnesse and his Honorable priuie Counsell found mighty and vehement informations supported with so weake and slender proofes as it appeared vnto his Royall Majestie his Honorable priuie Counsell that there was no cause why any change should bee at all in that which was moste impugned the Booke of Common prayer containing the forme of the publique seruice of God heere established neyther in the Doctrine which appeared to be sincere nor in the formes and rites which were iustified out of the practise of the