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A20037 That the pope is that Antichrist: and An answer to the obiections of sectaries, which condemne this Church of England Two notably learned and profitable treatises or sermons vpon the 19. verse of the 19. chapter of the Reuelation: the first whereof was preached at Paules Crosse in Easter terme last, the other purposed also to haue bene there preached. By Lawrence Deios Bachelor in Diuinitie, and minister of Gods holy word. Deios, Laurence, d. 1618. 1590 (1590) STC 6475; ESTC S118248 84,851 202

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point I shall speake somewhat in the next part Thus much shall suffice to haue spoken of him which sitteth on the horse which is Iesus Christ our king and onely captaine The next and last generall head to be spoken of is the armie of Christ The beast and his armies fight against Christ and his armie The Church of Christ is called by many names but here in the matter and time of warre it is called an armie Likewise Salomon sayth of it that it is terrible as an armie with banners Paul vsing the same Metaphore will haue vs put on the armour of light and saieth that the weapons of our warfare are not carnall but mightie through God to cast downe holdes and willeth vs to put vpon vs the whole armour of God that we may be able to stand against the assaults of the deuill and of himselfe he witnesseth that he had fought a good fight and finished his course So that there is a warre and armour and weapons and fighting that belongeth to gods people and they altogether make an armie The Church of England is an excellent and noble band of this armie Wee are Christs souldiers we beare his colours he rideth before vs and among vs vpon the white horse he is our captaine and we are his armie Two kinds of enemies we haue that labour to perswade thēselues the world that we are not Christs armie the Papists and the Barrowists Against the Papists we haue maintained that the sound teaching of the word of God and the lawfull administration of his Sacraments are the most sure ensignes whereby his armie is knowen and that we haue these among vs and they are effectuall in vs. When we allege that which Christ saith My sheepe heare my voyce and a strangers voyce they will not heare That which Esaie hath To the lawe and to the testimonie if they answere not according to this it is because there is no light in thē When we allege these and the like places we obtaine that the true and sound setting forth of the worde of God is a most certaine signe and note of the Church That which Paul hath If any man preach another gospel let him be accursed That which Iohn saith He that abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God and if any man bring not the doctrine of Christ receaue him not declareth that a false doctrine of the gospel and Christ destroyeth the Church especially if the errour be in the foundation which is our iustification by faith in Christ and all those things which doe necessarily depend vpon it Therefore the Apostle saith Other foundation can no man lay then that which is layed euen Iesus Christ And againe Ye are built vpon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Iesus Christ himselfe being the chiefe corner stone For this cause Paul doth so carefully and oft stand vpon the clearing of this article of our iustification by faith in Christ in so manie of his Epistles The true doctrine of the Gospel is thus founde to be the note yea and seede of the Church That the right and lawfull administration of the Sacraments pertaineth to the description and declaration of the Church we may easisily confirme Our Sauiour ioyneth the Sacraments to the worde Goe teach all nations baptizing them The Apostle doeth the like when hee sayeth Christ hath clensed his Church by the washing of water through the worde And of the other Sacrament it is sayde Doe this in remembraunce of mee And drinke yee all of this And the first Church gathered together after Christes ascension is thus described They that gladly receaued his worde were baptized and the same day there were added to the Church about three thousand soules and they continued in the Apostles doctrine and fellowship and breaking of bread and praiers These things by the benefite of God we haue the trueth of the Gospell and the whole new and olde Testament in all points of substance of doctrine truly taught and set footh in this lande the sacraments also are rightly administred Wherefore we haue the true notes of the Church These are the true notes of the Church such notes as are also causes of it for the word and sacraments doe beget and nourish faith by which we are vnited to Christ as to the heade Many other things agree to the Church as good workes mutuall loue true repentance shunning of idolatrie a right inuocation of the name of God and the like But these are partes and effects and ornaments of the former and concurre together with them for the word taught must be vnderstood to be fruitfull and so the sacraments to worke in mens soules and both to be of power or els they are no longer tokens to vs that wee are of the Church of God These things thus vnderstood are the true and sufficient markes whereby he that hath spirituall eyes may see the Church of God These by the speciall working of Iesus Christ we yet retaine in such sorte as they bring foorth fruite in mens hearts and liues God grant they may continue with vs and be more effectuall to worke amendment in all As for those marks wherby the Papists would haue the Church to be discerned they are deceitfull they can not point it out Antiquitie hath erred Vniuersalitie hath bin corrupted Vnitie may be in falshood Succession in place may be without succession in trueth their other marks are of like nature The worde and Sacraments rightly set forth and receaued and bringing forth fruite can neuer deceaue vs but bring vs directly to the true Church of Iesus Christ. But what shal we say to them that make discipline a necessarie marke of the Church because our Sauiour saith Baptize them teaching thē to obserue whatsoeuer I haue commaunded you The obseruation that our Sauiour speaketh of is not of some certaine forme of outward gouernement but generally of obedience to faith to loue and to the whole lawe and Gospell As for that discipline by Elders in euery parish it will not be found in those wordes of Christ. The Church can not well stand without all ecclesiasticall gouernement Yet it seemeth it did so stand in the captiuitie of Babylon but without that forme it may very well stand and florish and so hath done in this and former ages in many places Wherefore the worde and sacraments remaine as the markes in generall whereby the Church may be discerned But the Barrowists and such of whome they haue learned their principles descend into a more speciall and neere description of the Church The worde and Sacramentes are not such notes with them as can point out a Church What then is the Church of Christ in their account diuerse of them haue gone about to describe it but one especially would seeme to doe it most fully therefore he describeth it in these wordes at large The true planted and rightly established Church of Christ is a companie of faithful people separated from the
sides and yet beare no loue to eyther It were the best meanes of the enemies victorie to increase strife Cyprian ascribeth the violent persecution that came vpon the Church in his time vnder Decius to dissension which fell among them especially by meanes of the Nouatians euen such a sect as this is that vnder pretence of a greater puritie would make a Church by thēselues Thus he describeth his times Patrimonio lucro studētes amulationi dissentioni vacantes simplicitatis fidei negligentes seculo verbis solis non factis renunciantes vnusquisque sibi placentes omnibus displicentes Vapulamus itaque vt meremur While wee studie for gaine riches while we followe pride while we are earnest about aemulation dissentiō negligēt about faith while we renounce the world in words onelie not in deeds while we please euerie man himselfe displease all men else while wee giue our selues to these things we are beaten as we deserue Eusebius maketh dissention the cause of the most grieuous persecution that Dioclesian brought vpon the Church which lasted 13. yeeres In which the Churches were throwen downe made euen with the ground the Bibles were taken burnt in the open markets the pastours Byshops were put to death or were faine to lye Lid in caues Thus hee sayeth Postquam res nostrae c. After our estate by too much libertie Hist l. 8. c. 1. degenerated into nicenes and sluggishnes and one hated and reuiled another and wheresoeuer it happened wee among our selues and by our selues did set vpon one another with armour and weapons of wordes and rulers fell out with rulers and pastors with pastors and people moued sedition against people and after this vnspeakeable hypocrisie and mocking did growe to the top of malice and naughtines Gods iudgement after his accustomed maner came vpon the Churches This was the estate in the time of Eusebius before the persecution came Ours is not much vnlike God graunt dissentiō cease that there follow not the like euent The seueritie of some men in maintaining vnity is misliked but there is nothing but seueritie can helpe vs. Abbas Vrspergensis by reason of the schisme in Germanie about the election of the Emperor some leaning to Philip some to Berthold some to Otto saith that there was not one parish which agreed with another that by occasion of this such strifes the Pope did grow so great Iocūdare super adiutrice tua discordia quia erupit de puteo infernalis abissi vt accumulētur tibi multa pecuniarū praemia Habes quod semper sitisti decanta cāticū quia per maliciā hominū non per tuā religionē orbē vicisti Thus he speaketh to Rome reioyce for thy helper discord because she is brokē out of the infernall pit that much money may bee brought to thee thou hast that which thou hast alwayes thirsted Sing this song that thou hast ouercome the world by meanes of the malice of men not by thy religiō It was the discord of men that made the Pope great and brought his tyrannie vppon them That also was the cause of Gods iudgementes vpon the East Churches the dissention about the Trinitie made a way for Mahomet If any thing will bring the Antichristian yoke vpon this lande againe which God turne far from vs it will be dissention Therefore all bitternes and libelling and slaundering must bee layde away If it might come to passe that wee were an vnited armie then we might easilie hope to stand we might preuaile against our enemies although they came neuer so manie or so oft against vs. To bring vs to vnitie and to helpe vs to get the victorie against the common enemie wee haue neede of manie meanes These causes that are in controuersie must be opened by preaching by writing by conference So Augustine stopped the mouthes of the Donatistes that are most like to those with whome wee haue to deale After this maner he oft ouercame the Maniches and the Palagians Zwinglius by disputing writing and preaching draue the Anabaptistes cleane out of Zurich although there they began If sectaries write and no man answere if they priuelie sowe the seede of their secte and no man publikely roote it out they will ouergrowe all While Doctor Fulke liued his aunswering and confuting of euerie popish Treatise which came forth in English did much good in keeping away from vs the infection and poyson of Poperie Able men shoulde bee chosen if they offer not themselues which should continue that course that nothing might appeare against Religion or gouernement which shoulde not be aunswered If they can not be aunswered let the faultes be amended let them not be retained This is one meanes to helpe to recouer vnitie Another helpe must be in the ciuill Magistrates which by authoritie and punishment must restraine the libertie of rayling of libelling and of contemning the gouernours in place Vile pamphlets of reproch and slaunder should not be suffered to goe forth no not against an enemie While we suffer one parte to rayle wee prouoke the other and peraduenture a third commeth in and painteth both in the foulest colours These should be meanes to vnite vs at home Against our common enemies wee had neede first to be armed with innocencie and righteousnes we must beare the colours of our captaine Iesus Christ Hee rideth vpon a white horse and the warriours which were in heauen by hope and conuersation followed him vpon white horses clothed with fine linnen white pure And before in this Chapter it is sayde that the white linnen is the righteousnes of Saintes If wee be knowen by these colours our captaine and generall will not suffer vs to be ouerrunne Nineue repented and after threatning was saued God hath generallie promised to anie nation repenting that hee will turne away the euill which hee hath deuised against it Wee can not but see the land full of sinne Contention and strife in the Ministers and a great parte of the people Theftes robberies murders neuer so manie nor with such multitudes and boldnes attempted Whoredome excesse pride and drunkennesse ouerflowe all These filthie ragges must bee cast away and wee must put vpon vs the fine white linnen of righteousnes Let vs not thinke that the righteousnes of ten will saue our land as it would haue saued Sodome God hath not made such a generall condition with all people and there is no comparison betweene fiue little cities in a valley and all this lande When the captiuitie was brought vpon Ierusalem there were diuers that feared God among them The righteous man shall escape himsefe in the time of Gods iudgement Hee shall not saue anie other God will prouide for those that are his liuing or dying If Noah Iob and Daniel were among this people As I liue sayeth the Lorde they should saue neither sonne nor daughter they should saue but their owne soules Euerie man labour to bee righteous himselfe
about him without hurt thereby to winne the more authority to himselfe Others rather take this of the fire to be spoken allegorically for what is excommunication but as it were an heauenly fire by which he hath reuenged himselfe on many emperours and kings and whereby he goeth about still to consume his enemies This fire he flingeth about him like a madde man He hath cast it against our most gracious Queene and this whole land but it is quenched in the sea I hope it will not set any on fire here as it hath done Fox taketh this fire fetcht from heauen to be the Scriptures interpreted in a wrong sence Christ sayth he came to cast fire on the earth and that his desire was it should be kindled speaking of his word This fire the Pope fetcheth out of heauen for he wringeth and wresteth it out of his naturall place and applieth it to prooue his authoritie and all superstition which he hath brought into the world This is my body and Thou art Peter and vpon this rocke will I build my church and many such bright shining starres hee hath pluckt from heauen downe to the earth The Pope therefore is that new kinde of Alchymist that is sayd to fetch fire from heauen The fift marke poynteth out the Pope also For partly by his two hornes and partly by fire from heauen and by the meanes of his lying signes and miracles he is growne to such credit and power that at his commandement they that dwell on the earth are content to make the image of the beast which had the wound of a sword and did liue and also he did giue a spirit to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast did speake This making of an image and the causing of it to speake hath diuerse interpretations The Papists expound the head wounded and reuiued to be Antichrist himselfe fayning himselfe to die and to rise againe and that of the image speaking they vnderstand of an image which Antichrist shoulde make to represent himselfe which shoulde giue answeres to those that sought vnto it These are vaine deuises and shifts to put it from the Pope But the head wounded and healed is the state of the empire fallen and raysed againe in the Pope for Rome was wounded with a sword and reuiued in the Papacie The image made by the people and caused to speake by the Pope some haue thought to bee the emperour which in deede is but the Popes creature whome he hath put downe and set vp commanded to speake or holde his peace at his pleasure But it seemeth rather to be the authoritie of his Legates and Cardinalles and their Courtes and Consistories in all kingdomes for all people were persuaded to entertaine them and the Pope did as it were breathe life into them and they spake by the spirite of his Canon lawe or absolute pleasure The sixt marke is agreeable in like maner He caused that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed The reiecting of the Popish Legates and courts and lawes the refusing of the Spanish inquisition is death For hence proceede all the warres and rebellions among all people that professe the name of Christ It perteineth also to their bloodshedding and cruelty that he saith None could be suffred to buy or sell except he receiued the beasts marke For there was no place nor being for any except he did sweare subiection And when the patience of Gods people is cōmended for induring such things as they lay vpon them it is a token of their bloody cruelty Here is the patience of saints here are they that keepe the commandements of God the faith of Iesus And in the iustifying of their punishment which daily now falleth vpon them the cause is giuen for they shed the blood of the saints and prophets and therefore hast thou giuen them blood to drinke for they are worthie Her attire and ornaments also doe witnesse this thirst and shedding of blood that hath bene is in them I saw a woman sit vpon a scarlet coloured beast and the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet What colour so fit for a bloody beast and what kinde of people either vsed or esteemed it so much as they To these things agreeth that which our Sauiour saieth hauing relation to the latter times The time will come when they that kill you shall thinke they doe God good seruice But to remooue this note from themselues the Papists say that the killing which they haue exercised is not answerable to those speaches for they say the latter beast must kill mo of Gods scruants then the first beast and with more crueltie I finde not yet where it is so sayd but that is true in them although they denie it For who can reckon vp the number that iudicially for the cause of poperie haue bin put to death in England Scotland France Spaine and all the countries of Christendome within these two or three hundred yeres And as for inuēting of torments if burning by fire be not cruell inough yet they haue deuised more exquisite torments in their Spanish Inquisition vsed much more crueltie thē euer the Heathen did And one thing they haue committed whereby they haue shed infinite mens blood which the heathen did not against the Christians They make warre vpon vs only for religion in those wars in France and Germanie the low countries in all places where by inuasion or rebellion they can prevaile haue made infinit slaughters Wherfore numbers slaine by them exceed the number slayne by Paganes But there is not so precisely any thing spoken of the number They kill all and would doe that will not be subiect to them This they haue practised and this they doe practise this is the drift of their warres and Counsels and indeuours and this is the marke of the beast I sawe the woman sayth Iohn druncken with the blood of Saintes and with the blood of the Martyrs of Iesus Although we kill many in these warres yet the whole is to be imputed vnto them for they are the cause of the slaughter not onely of others but also of themselues The seuenth note is that the beast made all both small and great rich and poore free and bond to receaue a marke in their right hand or in their foreheads and that no man might buy or sell but he that had the marke or the name of the beast or the number of his name Here is wisedome let him that hath wit count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man and his number is 666. There is no Religion that euer was that hath so many markes and characters and so gloryeth in them as the Popish Religion And all that are vnder them are signed with some token or other as their sheepe Their little infants with their oyle and creame and other matters Their Emperors and kings and all men that
this partelie the Gospell is called the Gospell of the kingdome These are the principall thinges pertaining to Christes kingdome heere in earth and these by his grace and goodnes wee haue among vs. Nowe they haue a third branch of a kingly reigne which is a forme of outwarde gouernement the ende and scope whereof is that order should bee kept sinne shoulde bee punished and corrected among Gods people by ecclesiasticall punishments and censures This they saye wee want and therefore doe not acknowledge Christ our king They imagine that Christ hath set a forme externall by which euery congregation shoulde bee framed in this behalfe as that there must bee besides the teachers in euerie congregation a certaine number of Elders which must electe depose ordeine make orders and decrees reprooue suspende and excommunicate when they see good This is the kingdome which they striue for if this bee not in euery parish Christ they saye can not bee our king we haue cast him off Christ is our king not onelie by his necessarie to saluation directlie commaunded as the Priestes did in the dayes of Malachie If wee reiected gouernement and refused all correction and punishmēt for sinne we reiected an expresse commaundement of Christ our king But in reiecting the censures of ten or sixe or any such number in euerie congregation wee doe not repugne anie open or knowen commaundement of Christ our king Wherefore notwithstanding the gouernement which wee haue and the excluding of that gouernement which they would obtrude wee haue Christ to bee our king and hee acknowledgeth vs his people subiectes and armie Nowe wee must see what it is that maketh them to thinke that we denie the priesthoode of our Sauiour Iesus Christ and so make that he is no priest to vs. If hee be no priest for vs then hath hee not sacrificed and satisfied for our sinnes then hath hee not neither doth make intercession for vs. Hee that denieth the priesthoode of Iesus Christ loseth these his benefites He is a priest for euer after the order of Melchisedech and all must come vnto God by him Now then wherein doe wee deny his priesthoode Because saye they we sacrilegiously prophane his name with our idolatrie and because we prostitute his blood and make him a priest and sacrifice to infidels and most wicked offenders His priesthoode were denyed if we trusted in anie but in his sacrifice for the forgiuenes of our sinnes or if wee made prayers to God in anie mediators name but his But they saye wee denie his priesthoode because wee make prayer vnto him out of a booke for this they call idolatrie But by that booke wee praye to God the father in his name for thinges agreeable to his will with faith and from the heart Therefore there is no idolatrie in that nor any thing that derogateth from his priesthoode The second thing wherein wee denie his priesthoode is they saye because wee prostitute the blood of Christ and make him a priest and sacrifice to infidels and the most wicked offenders In baptisme they say it is prostituted because wee giue the Sacrament to the whole nation in the Supper because wicked impenitent persons are receaued of vs to it and generally in both because at the first by proclamation of the prince and vpon the sudaine from idolatrie and poperie streight after the reigne of Queene Marie all were receaued to the Sacrament and that people is yet retained But for the infantes to bee baptised although the parentes were wicked there is good warrant First for that their auncetors were receaued into the couenant and the sinne of the father shall bee vpon himselfe and is personall and necessarily the punishment passeth not God himselfe sayeth the sonne shall not beare the iniquitie of the father Another reason is because there is hope of the childe that hee shall bee brought vp to knowe God and beleeue in Iesus Christ and last of all for that there is none baptized but some doe vndertake for him that it shall be performed they marueile that a whole nation shoulde bee baptised and yet Christ hath saide Go teach all nations baptising them And as touching the whole multitude receaued after the ende of the reigne of Queene Marie First it can not bee saide but they had teaching in the dayes of the most worthie king Edwarde although they fell from it Secondly they came not as meere strangers to Christian Religion but as men from an aberration in Christian Religion which they might easilie correct if they were not wilfull And what shoulde that preiudice the Church nowe If they had not bene taught then yet nowe they haue bene taught aboue these thirtie yeres Last of all in such maner Gods people haue bene reduced to Gods worshippe againe from idolatrie vnder Iosias and Ezechias Kings of Iudah Nowe concerning the Sacrament of the Supper we doe not prostitute it to infidels We cannot count any in this land infidels whome we know and receiue to the Sacrament of the Supper All make profession of faith all acknowledge Christ God and redeemer and hope for saluation in him if they haue not this we may and ought reiect them If any neglect his duety it is no preiudice nor cause to condemne the rest So likewise knowen wicked offenders if they be impenitent are remooued and if it were so that some such as are not to be made partakers doe communicate is that a denying of his sacrifice and priesthoode to the rest It is euill applyed to such but it is not thereby plucked from the rest It is applyed to him that hath no benefite but he is not depriued to whom the benefite belongeth The places of Scripture by which they woulde prooue that we denie Christs priesthoode for giuing the Sacrament to such as we receiue are these Ezec. 44.7 first the complaint of God in Ezechiel Yee haue brought into my Sanctuarie strangers vncircūcised in heart vncircūcised in flesh to be in my Sāctuary to pollute my house when ye offer my bread God reproueth thē for making such priests as were vncircūcised in flesh strangers euen heathens idolaters for to be in the sāctuary there to minister was to be a priest Such we make not this pertaineth nothing to the receiuing of any among vs to the sacramēt To this they ioine another complaint of Ieremie Lam. 1.10 The enemie hath stretched out his hand vpon all her pleasant things for she hath seene the heathen enter into her sanctuarie whom thou diddest cōmand that they should not enter into thy Church This is spoken of the enemies which should possesse al they had be Lords ouer them spoile their Sanctuarie by violence These were heathen idolaters the Babylonians Such should not enter into the Church We receiue none such as professe themselues to be idolaters as beleeue not in Christ and are open persecuters of his people Thus it is apparant we do not prostitute the blood of Christ to
Church altogether Nowe then how shall we knowe whether a thing be popish and Antichristian or no By the names that can not be Names of their nature be indifferent the thinges contained in the names as they are vsed of vs must be examined And how shall we finde whether they bee popish and Antichristian If they serue to promote poperie then are they popish then are they Antichristian But if they further Christs glorie his kingdome then may they bee retained in the Church of Christ and we hauing them bee his Church Therefore if none of these offices nor courtes nor Ministers helpe to maintaine idolatrie or the Popes supremacie or mens traditions against the written worde or free wil against the grace of Christ or mens merites against iustification by faith or the Idole and sacrifice of the Masse or pilgrimages or purgatorie or prayer for the dead or auricular confession or satisfactions for sinnes by penance or indulgences or the keeping of the worde of God from the people in an vnknowen tongue or such like if they doe not maintaine vice nor iniustice nor heresie among vs but are directed to roote out poperie to keepe vs in the true faith to aduance the worde of God to establish our iustification by faith to further repentance and good workes to punish sinne to define that which is equall and right to keepe the common peace of the Churche then are they not popish seeing they are bent and exercised to the ruine of poperie but they are Christian and holie and appertaining to the Church of Christ for as much as they further the kingdome and glorie of Christ our Sauiour All that are zealous striue for two thinges wherein all men are to put to their helpe by counsel by credite by authoritie by power and by all lawfull meanes that bee in them One that the worde of God maye bee more diligently and commonly taught the other that sinne may bee more seuerely and generally punished If these two may by this gouernement bee more set forwarde much of these troubles and contentions will be easier stopped There is no fault in the names or in the offices but they may helpe forward these or any good things Wherfore they be not simplie popish or Antichristian but in the abuse they were in the right vse they are now holie Christianlike Now let vs see what scripture doth condemne these names and offices Two places are brought out against thē One out of the Psalme The kings of the earth band themselues and the princes are assembled together against the Lord and against his Christ let vs breake their bands and cast their cords from vs. But do our gouerners all the people in this estate band themselues against the Lord and against his Christ doe they not band themselues for the glorie of the Lorde and of Iesus Christ It might be done I knowe more plentifullie yet this gouernement setteth forth Christ onely to vs with his benefits to saluation Christs deitie Christs gospel Christs sacrifice Christs iustice Christs kingdome by this is aduanced Wherefore they band not themselues against Christ neither do they say let vs breake their bands cast their cordes frō vs but rather they willinglie receaue the bands yea the chaines of Christ if neede be We are contēt that his lawe binde our feete hands eyes and hearts also but we cast off their bands because we cast away their gouernement by Elders They are not the bandes of Christ they are but small threeds that wil easily bee broken Luke 19.14 The other place which they alleage against those titles offices is in Luke Now his citizens hated him and sent an embassage after him saying we wil not haue this man to reigne ouer vs. These places that were spoken of the obstinate Iewes that hated the name faith of Christ of the heathen idolaters that worshipped false Gods and would not acknowledge Christ to be God of the Mahometicall sect that reiect Christs gospel denie his redēption of the Antichristian popish rable which keepe his name and denie his efficacie sufficiencie in redeeming vs those I saye they bring against them that acknowledge all which they thēselues doe for sufficiencie of saluatiō for infalliblenes of his truth and for all his benefites onelie because wee yeeld not to thē for a certaine forme of outward gouernment But they must proue more euidentlie that those thinges are euill or else we will not be terrified by those places but that we may safelie say that that true Church of Iesus Christ is with vs euen in this gouernmēt To returne againe to their other notes which remaine whereby they will describe a visible church of Christ they say that Christs Church must be gouerned by his own lawes takē out of the olde newe Testament and no other They thinke as it seemeth that no lawes neede more to be made for any thing but that the lawes of Moses shoulde stand be sufficient to determine all matters Or if for ciuil matters they will admit more yet for punishments in matters Ecclesiasticall it is certaine they will acknowledge no more nor anie other Their groundes for this opinion are these scriptures First out of Saint Matthewe Mat. 17.5 This is my beloued sonne heare him It extendeth to matters of doctrine and saluation and all that hee hath taught but not to matters of gouernement Ciuill or Ecclesiasticall in particular For hee hath not made such lawes The next is out of the Epistle to the Hebrewes Heb. 3.6 Hee is Lorde of the house 1. Cor. 2.16 therefore hee is to bee obeyed in so much as hee hath set downe Particular ordināces he hath not prescribed for gouernmēt but left it free Thē they bring this out of the Epistle to the Corinthians We haue the minde of Christ hee meaneth for matters of saluation and the worship of God but not for particular actions that must be considered in gouernement After this commeth that to the Galathians Gal. 3.15 A mans testament when it is confirmed no man doth abrogate or addeth to it Paul speaketh of iustification by faith whereto works as a cause of iustification must not be added nothing there of outward gouernement Now as for their other places 1. Tim. 6.13 they inferre not that in the worde are sufficient lawes set downe for all thinges but that such as are commanded should be obserued as that to Timothie I charge thee that thou keep the commandement without spot and vnrebukeable vntil the appearing of our Lord Iesus Christ That which Paul hath set downe as a commandement to be kept or hath so declared that must be kept for euer But who can saye that Paul hath set downe lawes for all things in that Epistle Ephe. 4.11 And that to the Ephesians doth not conclude their purpose Hee hath giuen Apostles for the worke of the Ministerie and gathering together of the Saintes til we all meete