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A07958	A toung-combat, lately happening, between two English soldiers; in the tilt-boat of Grauesend The one go-ing to serue the King of Spayn, the other to serue the States of Holland.	Verstegan, Richard, ca. 1550-1640.	1623 (1623)	STC 18327.5; ESTC S113013	26,750	92

this his illumination hee was so confident that the light of burning fire wherein himself was cosumed could not put him out of his opinion And seeing you confesse not to haue heard anie text alleaged that maketh this Sacrament a figure of Christe his bodie nor anie proof or reason to oblige belief of imagined illuminations I wil now shew you by playn scripture that Christ himself could not meane it to bee the figure of his bodie Tawney-scarf If you do that you do much Red-scarf I pray you then Sir tel mee was it the figure of Christe his bodie that was crucifyed for vs on the Crosse or was it his true bodie Tawney-scarf It was without all doubt his true bodie Red-scarf Then must without all doubt his true bodie bee in this Sacrament seeing Christ sayd Take and eat this is my bodie which shal be giuen for you c. and that no figure was giuen for vs. Tawney-scarf There by the Lord you haue posed mee in deed Red-scarf But I wil yet go further with you sure I am that none of the disciples of Christ that were present at the speaking of those woordes do assigne vs to the seeking out of some other meaning if this had bin requisite themselues had known it best could best haue bin the interpreters so without all doubt would haue bin if the intention of Christe had bin such for neuer would they haue letten all ensuying Christians of the world as well of the Greek as of the Latin Churche and all others haue run on in the belieuing his woordes as they were spoken vntill hee should send new teachers into the world to interpreet his meaning fifteen hundreth yeares after they were spoken which cannot stand with the prouidence and goodnes of God But to the contrarie that no such interpretation was by God intended is cleerly manifested to all the world by the confusion which hee hath permitted to bee among the interpreters the one interpreting his woordes one way the other another way so contrarie discordāt that no reconciliation can bring them to haue one same vnderstāding of Christ his meaning And therefore remayn they to their own shame and confusion in perpetuall discord giuing in effect the one the other the ly about the matter and challenging one another to the weapō of the woord euen to the killing and sleaing of soules I haue aduentured heer to say thusmuch notwithstanding I am no diuine because you should vnderstād how farre Catholykes are from the moste abhominable sin of Idolatrie And I must further note vnto you the absurditie of this calumnie Idolatrie did alwayes consist in the offring vp of Sacrifise to Idoles but by the making of Catholikes Idolaters they do make the Sacrifise it self which they offer vp to bee an Idol Tawney-scarf I perceaue you would seeme to haue bin to heard for mee if I should giue you ouer so But I must now demaund further of you whether Protestants or Papists go neerer to the manner of Christ his celebrating this Sacrament Christe I am sure both instituted and celebrated it at a table but not at an Altar as you doe and therefore you varie and differ from Christe and this beeing so manifest it is consequently manifest that heer I haue put you down for this you cannot deny Red-scarf I haue alredie told you that I am no diuine and I had not thought to haue bin by you put to defend matter of religion but seeing you haue again put mee to it and that you think you haue put mee down about it If I cannot recouer my self I suppose you wil triumphe and trample vpon mee True it is that Christe instituted and celebrated this B. Sacrament vpon a table and not vpon an Altar and Protestants do also celebrate their communion vpon a table wherein they shew themselues to teach and controlle their Patriarche Luther who celebrated his communion vpon an Altar as all his truest followes in Germanie continew to do as also their anceters the Hussytes of Bohemia and yet did both Husse and Luther assure them selues to haue penetrated as farre into the woord as Caluinian-Protestants and Anabaptists can assure themselues to do no Christians in the world vsing tables in steed of Altars but onelie they nor none denying the real presence of Christein that Sacrament but they and their dependants But now as touching your Protestants celebrating vpon a table to the end you may discouer how truely they imitate Christe I must discouer vnto you a notable trick of fraud of theirs if I may bee so bold as call it so which is that they make a shew of exactly imitating Christe his manner of dooing by the vse of tables not Altars to deceaue the ignorāt multitude but they deny the veritie of Christe his woordes in the principalle matter of faith which vnto this Sacrament is belonging which is no pettie peece of coosinage and moste farre from the true imitation of Christe seeing faith and belief importeth more then a shew of obseruing his manner of dooing in the onely vse of a table The cause and reason why Christe celebrated on a table and not vpon an Altar was because hee had supped at the same table after hee had supped he there celebrated this Sacrament having purposely referred it for the last and moste principall actiō which hee would performe in the presence of his disciples before his passion But if Protestants would professe herein to follow Christe ptecysely thē must they not celebrate their communiō vpon hows-tables in Churches seeing Christe did not so but vpon hows-tables in priuate howses in paued parlers of such howses It must also bee at night after supper at which supper they must haue eaten a roasted Lamb. There must also bee neither more nor lesse then thirteene persons at the table and these must bee all men for Christe had not one woman present at his celebration There must neither Ghospel nor Epistle bee red for when Christe celebrated they were not written Geneua songes must not thear bee sung but the Hymne if Protestant reformation can produce it must bee repeated which was sayd before hee and his disciples rose from the table But it now appeereth that Protestants make a shew of imitating Christe onlie in the vse of a hows-table and omitt all the rest which is but an imitation by peece meal taking and leaving what they list at their own pleasures And I dare confidently avouch that if anie Sermon-maker in England should in his pulpit vrge the vse of all these omitted thinges for the more exact following of Christ wherein must also bee comprysed his girding himself with a towel and his washing his communicants feet hee should bee exactly punished for his labor and thus may you see what is become of your making a hows-table a Churche-table Tawney-scarf But say you what you can you cannot deny but Christe vsed a table and not an Altar and therefore wee imitate Christ more

A TOVNG-COMBAT LATELY HAPPENING Between two English soldiers in the Tilt-boat of Grauesend The one go-ing to serue the King of Spayn The other to serue the States of Holland PRINTED With Approbation 1623. To the Right woorshipful SIR EDWARD PARHAM Knight Seriant Major of the Regiment of the Right honorable The LORD VAVX in the seruice of the King of Spayn in the Netherlandes IN my late passage down from London to Grauesend by Tiltboat there chanced among others two gentlemen at that present also to pas beeing both of millitarie profession but differently disposed in their determinations touching the sides they went to serue on for after some course of speech that passed among the compagnie the one discouered his intentiō to go ouer into the Netherlandes to serue the King of Spayn and the other manifested his purpose to go to serue the States of Holland but because each of them seemed fortifyed with reason for his determination and to think himself as wel able to defend it as hee seemed willing to follow it all the compagnie out of a curiositie weare verie desyrous to heare what by either could be sayd but yet with a prouiso that no inconvenience or falling out between them vpon it might ersue and therefore they desyred them that before they began seriously to argue the matter they should pas their woordes to each other vpon their honors that without iniurying one another in particular each might haue his free speech in defence of his own determined cours that their argunig beeing ended their should no exceptions be taken either by them or anie of the compagnie for oght that had bin spoken but that both they all the rest of the compagnie their discours beeing ended should in ciuil and courteous manner carrie themselues so take their leaues of each other when their wayes lay to bee seperated To this all agreed and these twdyn gaue each other their handes vpon the conditions there vpon began between them a Toung-combat wherein neither of both were slayn or maymed and because it may bee some recreation vnto you to vnderstand how the matter passed I thoght good now at my soonest leasure as wel as my memorie would permitt mee to penne it down to present it vnto your view to whome I hold my best endeuours obliged thus kissing your handes I take my leaue wishing vnto you the atchyving of all honor answerable vnto your noble valour and courage The deuoted honorer of your virtues D. N. To the Reader BECAVSE the ensuing discours is dialogue wyse that some note of distinction must of necessitie be vsed seeing I know not these gentlemennes names I haue th●gh● good to note them by their scarfs as by calling him that was to go to serue the King of Spayn by the name of Red-scarf according to the colour of the scarf hee wore to call the other by the name of Tawney-scarf because he wore a scarf of the colour of Orange-tawney The compagnie after the conditions of quietnes at parting were agreed vpō became all silent to heare them begin The first then beeing Tawney-scarf began in this manner IT seemeth strange vnto mee that anie of our Countrimen should rather resolue to serue the King of Spayn then thee States of Holland considering how long their cause quarrel had bin by Englishmen supported and the number of our Countrimen that continew to serue on that syde Red-scarf It semeth as strange vnto mee that men of sence and vnderstanding should not rather regard the iustnes of the cause quarrel which they are to def●d especially when they are not constrayned but that their resolution lyeth in their owne choyse then to let themselues bee blyndfolded led forward by sinister suggestion to follow the vn vnderstanding vulgar multitude for companie or custome sake because they haue continued so long a tyme to serue on that syde without knowing or caring wherein right or wrong cōsisteth Tawney-scarf You must not think that the first resolution taken for the assistance of the Hollanders was without good consideration of the iustnes of their cause and the same beeing once begun and continued what needed further doubt or scruple bee made thereof by the after-followers of it Red-scarf Because it is no article of faith to belieue that the first resolution taken in England for the assisting of the Hollanders was not without good consideration of the iustnes of their cause diuers haue since penetrated further in to it to see whether it so were or not but could not so fynd it therefore those you speak of that haue followed it without scruple haue bin people that were not scrupulus at all for there is no cause bee it neuer so bad but some will bee found without anie scruple willing to follow it Tawney scarf I know their are some that are redie enough to embrace the folowing of bad courses but what cōcernes that this Red-scarf If the cause of the Hollanders by anie vndisprooueable reasons of yours shall appeer vnto mee to bee iust I shal not onlie bee sorrie for myn error in not apprehending it so to bee but resolue to go along with your self vnto their seruice Tawney-scarf I am glad to heare you speak so therefore I wil endeuour to giue you satisfactiō in hope of the having of your good compagnie Three causes I conceaue to haue bin the motyues why Queen Elizabeth did first vndergo her assisting the Hollanders The first was their beeing opressed and wronged by the King of Spayn and in danger to bee broght vnder the seueritie of the Spanish inquisition The second was in regard they were our so neer aioyning freindes neyghbours And the third and that not the least was for the maintenāce of the Ghospel Red-scarf You haue heer alleadged sundrie reasons to haue caused Queen Elizabeth to take the Hollanders partes it is reason then that If so bee I cannot allow them for sufficient reasons I prooue them not so to bee which by your patience permission I think I shal be able to do The first point is about their beeing oppressed and wronged by the King of Spayn and in danger to bee broght vnder the seueritie of a Spanish inquisition That these people lyued in obedience of King Phillip the second of Spayn as did all the other inhabitants of the seuenteen Netherland Prouinces acknowledging him as their true lawfull Soueraigne Lord as they had acknowledged his anceters before him from whome hee successyuely inherited those countries no man can make anie doubt or questiō The question then is whether this King when he came to the possessiō of these countries did impose vpon the people anie pressures more then his former ancesters had donne but who is able to shew that he did The sayd King beeing then in as full and quiet possession of all those countries as euer anie of his ancesters had bin departing from thence towards Spayn in

exercise of religiō but to the fowre sortes afore-named to wit to the profession of their own Geus or Caluinian religiō To that of the Lutherās to that of the Anabaptists to that of the Synagogue of the Iewes none of all which relig●ōs beeing allowed in Englād but beeing by authoritie of the States allowed in Holland whosoever employeth himself in defēce of that vsurped State Gournment doth consequētly defend these fowre different religious aswel all fowre as anie one He defendeth that Caluinisme that maketh either Prelate or Prince that hath the title of Supreame headship or Gouernment of the Churche to bee an Idol Hee defendeth Lutheranisme that holdeth the real presence of Christe to bee in the Sacrament euen the verie same bodie that was borne of the blessed Virgin Marie Hee defendeth Anabaptisme that holdeth it vnlawfull to Baptise children and among other heresies teacheth that Christe took no flesh of the Virgin Marie And hee defendeth Iudaisme that denyeth our Sauiour Christe to bee the true Messias and Sauiour of the world for if by force of armes the state of these States were not defended these different sectes could haue in Holland no allowance of free exercise of religion Now besydes these allowed exercising sectes there is the late risen sect of the Pe fectists which as it seemeth needeth no leaue or allowance of exercise because it is come to such perfection that it is past exercise These bee such as haue bin great travailers in the woord and continual goers to sermons and fynding that S. Paule speaketh of some that are alwayes learning and neuer attayning vnto the knowledge of the truthe they wil not bee accompted such truants or non proficientes as stil to haue need of teaching and instruction they perceaue by their inward illumination of spirit that they are come to the rypenes of perfection they haue made trial thereof by their examining one another aswell about the exposition of textes as of their text-fastnes in citing chapter and verse without mistaking it as redelie yea and some tymes more redelie then the Preacher himself whereby they see themselues somuch to haue profited that they haue no need to run vp and down after sermon-makers but leaue them to the instructing teaching of the ignorant These now and then meet together among themselues and consolate one another in the Lord with singing of Psalmes discoursing out of the woord according to the perfection greatnes of their knowledge Where are our poor Puritanes in respect of these that all the dayes of their lyues run vnsatisfied with sermon-hearing behold how these Holland bretherē haue gotten the start of them and leaue them to remayn the perpetual prentises of their sermon-makers Tawney-scarf Mee thinkes you haue drawn out the reconiug of my seruice which is greater then my self vnderstood it to bee Red-scarf Greater but not better for I suppose you vnderstood it not to bee so il but beeing so good as you supposed it to wit to bee employed in defence of the Ghospel it could bee but bad because no good Ghospel can allow stealing Tawney scarf No more doth that for they hang thieues as wel in Holland as they do in England Red-scarf Thieues that steal try fles are there hāged by thieues that steal whole prouinces citties so as they are not hanged because they steal but because they steal not fiō the King of Spayn as thogh it were honester theft for a man to robbe his master then to robbe another man Tawney-scarf You haue exceedingly disgraced my seruice Red-scarf Not with intention to disgrace your self but to let you see how vniust and wrōg a cours both you and others take to the end that knowing it you they may relinquish it and make choyce of a cours more agreable to your woorthinesses and valour Tawney-scarf But now Sir I must tel you concerning your choyce of seruice that if wee had one of our preachers heer hee would tel you that it were in desence of Idolatrie Red scarf If hee did so and could prooue it so I would aske God forgiuenes leaue it but that is hee not able to prooue Tawney-scarf Hee would tel you that you woorshiped bread in the Masse for the bodie of Christe Red-scarf If wee so did that were Idolatrie in deed Wee do not in anie sorte intend anie woorship vnto bread all the deuotion woorship and honor which there wee doe is meerly sincerly intended vnto the true bodie of Christ the which if it should not bee there then is there no woorship or honor at all by vs intended But our warrant for the beeing thereof there is so great that it is not deryued from the mouth of anie mortall man but euen from the verie mouth of him that is Christe and God who cannot possiblie deceaue vs neither can his power bee insufficient to make good his own woordes and if it were possible that it could bee but bread yet hee having sayd it was his bodie and I belieuing it so to bee his ●ustice goodnes is such that hee cannot condemne mee of misbelief himself having bin the cause why I so belieue for if hee neuer had sayd it I had neuer belieued it I can do Christe no greater honor then to giue credit vnto his woordes nor no greater dishonor then not to belieue them to bee veritable Tawney-scarf But Sir our Learned men say that Christes woordes at his last supper oght otherwise to bee interpreted not vnderstood as hee there spake them but that in saying the bread was his bodie hee intēded to haue it vnderstood to bee the signe or figure of his bodie Red-scarf They that pretend to prooue all their doctrine by scripture do consequently oblige themselues to shew vs wherein scripture it is sayd that Christe ment it for the signe or figure of his bodie If they haue this knowlege by inward illumination how can they let vs know that it is of God Tawney-fcarf I do not remembr to haue heard anie text of Scripture alleaged for it And for inward illuminations I know not what to say Red-scarf That Christe ment it for the figure of his bodie is Caluinistical Anabaptistical scripture made without book but in sacred scripture not to bee foūd as for their inward illuminatiōs what cā they bee other thē such dreames as all other sectaries are as full of as they cā say aswel as they that they had thē frō aboue perhapsly not altogether neither for it may bee that such fancies came in their heades when they were in their garrets And yet was the inward illumination of Loy the Slater of Antwerp in lyklyhood more higher for hee as hee sayd had his as he sat aboue on the top of a how 's couering it with slate and it was that there were no devilles no hel nor no resurrection of the dead and that Christe his Apostles mētioning such thinges ment otherwise thē they spake and in