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A04207 An attestation of many learned, godly, and famous divines, lightes of religion, and pillars of the Gospell iustifying this doctrine, viz. That the Church-governement ought to bee alwayes with the peoples free consent. Also this; that a true Church vnder the Gospell contayneth no more ordinary congregations but one. In the discourse whereof, specially Doctor Downames & also D. Bilsons chiefe matters in their writings against the same, are answered. Jacob, Henry, 1563-1624. 1613 (1613) STC 14328; ESTC S117858 154,493 335

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the_o present_a church-state_n in_o england_n even_o in_o the_o substantial_a point_n of_o government_n therein_o be_v clean_o frustrate_v neither_o be_v the_o same_o apostolical_a neither_o have_v it_o universal_a nor_o perpetual_a nor_o indeed_o any_o old_a approbation_n among_o christian_n as_o they_o colourable_o pretend_v but_o it_o be_v prove_v to_o be_v novel_a novel_a a_o proper_a diocesan_n church_n be_v novel_a and_o mere_o of_o the_o wit_n and_o will_v of_o man_n and_o that_o after_o the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n rise_v the_o contrary_a obiecton_n of_o our_o adversary_n i_o will_v here_o observe_v euseb_n d._n dove_n 3._o falsification_n of_o euseb_n as_o near_o as_o i_o can_v first_o that_o which_o d._n downame_n borrow_v of_o d._n dove_n viz._n that_o mark_v constitute_v a_o diocesan_n church_n in_o alexandria_n but_o this_o i_o have_v show_v 91._o show_v pag._n 90_o 91._o before_o to_o be_v a_o mere_a forgery_n of_o these_o two_o d._n d._n ground_v upon_o a_o false_a 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city_n graec._n city_n euseb_n lib._n 3.23_o graec._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d have_v refresh_v the_o brother_n and_o look_v on_o the_o bishop_n that_o be_v set_v over_o all_o the_o say_a brethren_n of_o that_o place_n he_o commit_v a_o young_a man_n to_o he_o but_o the_o d._n set_v it_o down_o thus_o john_n the_o apostle_n commit_v the_o charge_n of_o a_o young_a man_n to_o a_o bishop_n 18._o bishop_n pag._n 15._o 18._o qui_fw-la super_fw-la cunst●s_fw-la episcopos_fw-la erat_fw-la constitutu●_n which_o be_v set_v over_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o bishop_n thereabouts_o as_o if_o then_o there_o have_v be_v a_o archbishop_n or_o a_o bishop_n over_o bishop_n so_o say_v this_o doctor_n as_o out_o of_o eusebius_n but_o he_o abuse_v his_o author_n eusebius_n have_v not_o such_o a_o word_n and_o yet_o d._n downame_n also_o 4.112_o also_o def._n 4.112_o allege_v the_o same_o place_n though_o he_o cunning_o forbear_v to_o mention_v the_o word_n doct._n downame_n further_a press_v eusebius_n in_o that_o he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v report_v that_o titus_n be_v bishop_n of_o the_o church_n of_o crete_n 233._o as_o also_o perpet_n govern_v pag._n 233._o he_o translate_v it_o be_v record_v in_o history_n but_o he_o can_v not_o make_v that_o good_a in_o this_o place_n for_o the_o word_n signifi_v any_o relation_n or_o narration_n or_o report_v of_o a_o matter_n and_o eusebius_n use_v always_o to_o name_v his_o author_n &_o at_o full_a to_o set_v down_o the_o word_n when_o he_o ground_v upon_o any_o write_a history_n so_o he_o cit_v very_o often_o egesippus_fw-la clemens_n dionysius_n tertullian_n etc._n etc._n wherefore_o questionless_a here_o he_o mean_v some_o other_o report_n or_o tradition_n and_o speech_n of_o man_n i_o know_v not_o who_o and_o in_o set_v down_o such_o matter_n he_o be_v nothing_o curious_a many_o time_n as_o 92._o as_o pag._n 91._o 92._o before_o i_o have_v signify_v not_o seldom_o he_o report_v fabulous_a thing_n yea_o 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to_o our_o conscience_n as_o the_o d._n labour_v to_o do_v in_o this_o cause_n howbeit_o further_o eusebius_n say_v not_o that_o titus_n be_v say_v to_o be_v bishop_n of_o crete_n but_o only_o so_o as_o timothy_n be_v bishop_n of_o ephesus_n where_o he_o seem_v to_o mean_v that_o both_o of_o they_o be_v then_o think_v to_o be_v not_o proper_a bishop_n but_o in_o the_o general_a sense_n and_o understanding_n of_o the_o word_n bishop_n and_o so_o he_o seem_v to_o mean_v also_o that_o mark_n be_v say_v to_o be_v bish_n of_o alexandria_n who_o yet_o he_o name_v a_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n &_o james_n a_o apostle_n in_o deed_n bishop_n of_o jerusalem_n i_o say_v in_o a_o general_a sense_n but_o not_o bishop_n proper_o and_o so_o true_o the_o other_o father_n after_o eusebius_n do_v seem_v to_o mean_v and_o we_o accord_v thus_o with_o they_o otherwise_o we_o must_v needs_o deny_v credit_n to_o they_o herein_o viz._n if_o eusebius_n etc._n etc._n say_v these_o be_v proper_a bishop_n for_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o they_o can_v be_v so_o see_v they_o be_v both_o superior_a and_o also_o divine_o distinguish_v from_o proper_a bishop_n as_o anon_o we_o shall_v see_v further_o where_o further_a occasion_n will_v be_v give_v we_o to_o answer_v d._n downame_n about_o timothy_n &_o titus_n bishoprike_v again_o 116._o again_o def._n 2.23_o and_o 116._o d._n downame_n cit_v out_o of_o council_n carthage_n 3._o and_o ephes_n 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o the_o beginning_n and_o even_o from_o the_o apostle_n as_o 324._o as_o perpet_n gov_fw-mi pag._n 324._o doct._n bilson_n before_o he_o avouch_v but_o both_o of_o they_o wrest_v the_o councille_n for_o they_o say_v not_o so_o only_o they_o say_v that_o diocese_n shall_v remain_v such_o as_o they_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n that_o be_v ever_o since_o diocese_n be_v appoint_v not_o from_o the_o beginning_n simple_o but_o from_o the_o begin_n of_o diocese_n which_o though_o it_o be_v long_o before_o these_o council_n yet_o as_o i_o judge_v it_o be_v not_o before_o 92.93_o before_o about_o the_o year_n 260._o see_v before_o pag._n 92.93_o dionysius_n bishop_n of_o rome_n and_o touch_v the_o apostle_n the_o ephesin_n council_n speak_v of_o the_o apostle_n canon_n be_v strange_o deceive_v in_o attribute_v they_o to_o the_o apostle_n as_o any_o one_o may_v perceive_v if_o he_o see_v the_o can._n 4.5.8.17_o 18.27.47.49.65_o 68_o 84.25_o wherefore_o they_o be_v false_o father_v on_o the_o apostle_n be_v but_o base_a and_o bastardly_a stuff_n in_o respect_n of_o they_o and_o yet_o they_o intend_v no_o 98._o no_o see_v before_o pag._n 88_o 97._o 98._o proper_a diocesan_n church_n viz._n like_o we_o in_o england_n neither_o be_v these_o canon_n before_o constantine_n age_n so_o that_o our_o d._n d._n do_v argue_v from_o hence_o very_o unworthy_o but_o d._n
be_v note_v that_o the_o doct._n seem_v to_o take_v delight_n to_o abuse_v the_o people_n with_o bastard_n writing_n fabulous_a false_a and_o apocryphal_a stuff_n which_o he_o use_v as_o his_o familiar_a friend_n and_o witness_n very_o often_o as_o the_o epistle_n of_o clemens_n and_o anacletus_fw-la dionysius_n areopagita_n the_o canon_n of_o the_o apostle_n writing_n bastard_n writing_n dionysius_n areopagita_n the_o canon_n of_o the_o apostle_n the_o subscription_n of_o the_o apostle_n epistle_n &_o this_o dorotheus_n from_o who_o the_o other_o witness_n here_o by_o he_o cite_v do_v take_v this_o report_n therefore_o in_o this_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o credit_v they_o any_o more_o they_o he_o further_o to_o these_o &_o the_o like_a reason_n of_o we_o if_o timothy_n and_o titus_n who_o first_o be_v evangelist_n do_v become_v proper_a bishop_n afterward_o than_o man_n may_v conjoin_v thing_n which_o god_n have_v sever_v yea_o limit_n &_o depress_v they_o who_o ministry_n 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