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A00759 A defence of the liturgie of the Church of England, or, Booke of common prayer In a dialogue betweene Nouatus and Irenæus. By Ambrose Fisher, sometimes of Trinitie Colledge in Cambridge. Fisher, Ambrose, d. 1617.; Grant, John, fl. 1630. 1630 (1630) STC 10885; ESTC S122214 157,602 344

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but_o rather_o to_o faith_n in_o the_o act_n to_o repentance_n in_o mark_n to_o the_o put_v away_o of_o the_o filth_n of_o the_o flesh_n in_o peter_n i._o tell_v i_o i_o pray_v you_o by_o who_o be_v these_o three_o thing_n wrought_v n._n by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n i._o and_o what_o relation_n have_v the_o spirit_n to_o baptism_n n._n it_o be_v the_o essential_a inward_a form_n thereof_o whereby_o the_o water_n be_v assume_v as_o the_o manhood_n by_o christ_n godhead_n i._o if_o that_o be_v true_a why_o do_v you_o separate_v the_o form_n from_o the_o matter_n which_o god_n have_v conjoin_v but_o i_o must_v here_o advertise_v you_o that_o you_o stick_v in_o a_o vulgar_a error_n for_o i_o demand_v be_v a_o sacrament_n a_o thing_n simple_a or_o else_o compound_v n._n it_o be_v compound_v of_o a_o thing_n earthly_a and_o a_o thing_n heavenly_a i._o what_o be_v that_o heavenly_a thing_n n._n the_o spirit_n of_o god_n which_o purge_v our_o sinful_a soul_n as_o water_n do_v our_o unclean_a 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