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A47399 [The ax laid to the root, or, One blow more at the foundation of infant baptism and church-membership containing an exposition of that metaphorical text of Holy Scripture, Mat. 3, 10]. Keach, Benjamin, 1640-1704. 1693 (1693) Wing K48_pt2; ESTC R20690 57,342 56

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