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A96113 A scribe, pharisee, hypocrite; and his letters answered, separates churched, dippers sprinkled: or, A vindication of the church and universities of England, in many orthodox tenets & righteous practices. Whereunto is added a narration of a publick dipping, June 26. 1656. In a pond of much Leighes parish in Essex, with a censure thereupon. By Jeffry Watts B.D. and Rectour of Much-Leighes. Watts, Geoffrey, d. 1663. 1657 (1657) Wing W1154; Thomason E921_1; Thomason E921_2; ESTC R207543 280,939 342

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Birth-holiness and lawful marriage to be the unbelieving Parent his sanctification Thus usual it is with God to confound the opposers of his truth so as to contradict their own Tenets for as they heard only that he which persecuted the Church in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed Paul by name Gal. 1.15 So we may see now that he which revileth the Church in times present now destroyeth the errours his own errours which once he preached and wrote but I will not name him and as they glorified God in Paul so we may glorifie God in this and say Great is Truth and will prevall vile is errour and will fall 2. If it come from the faith of the Parrents Parents or at least from the faith of one of them thenn then I pray tell me why Cayne Cain Esau Absolon and others were not saved seeing their Parents ware were all faithful and belevers believers and why was Rahab the Harlot saved seeing her parents ware Heathens or unbelevers neither ware the Parents of all those who were converted at the first preaching of the Gospel belevers Here it the same song again of the sanctification of holiness in children only to another tune the former was to the tune of the lawful marriage of their Parents and this is to the tune of faith of the Parents or at least one of them I have found or put the first song out of tune and I believe I shall do so to the second song especially in reference to the consort or consequence thereof Sanctification of holiness in children cometh not from the saith of Parents neither of them by way of conveyance causality or application as I have said before that is the faith of the Parent apprehending Christ and his righteousnes and holiness doth not cause convey or apply the same unto his or their child thereby to justifie and sanctifie it so it must if you will argue from it the faith of the Parents or one of them to the salvation of their child and therefore all that follows even your consquences are thus blasted and blown away But yet there is a sanctification of holiness in children that comes from the faith of the Parent or either of them by way of declaration relation or impetration that is the faith of the parents Covenanted with God and baptized into Christ doth relatively and declaratively sanctifie their child even unto the same holy seal of the Covenant with themselves and may impetrate holiness and salvation for him though not impart or derive the same to it unless it be in a foederal way which is a way also to salvation like as if the root be holy so are the branches But all this may be but without any necessary or infallible consequence of salvation hereupon though it is in the way and a way thereto as I said I must here tell you again of the same fault as I did before that our Discourse and Dispute is about childrens sanctification of holiness and you still run out to childrens salvation of happiness whereas this doth not alwaies or necessarily either Logically or Theologically follow upon that There needs no more or farther Consideration of this Paragraph but only of this that instead of proceeding in Dispute like an Academick and Scholar you conclude here like an Epidemick and vulgar Taking away the subject of the question the holiness of children from the faith of the Parents for you give instances of Rahab a Heathen whose Parents were Infidels she was saved from the Grace of God what is that to her being sanctified from the faith of Parents the like is to be thought and said of those first converts Besides you are out of the text you undertook to expound according to the minde of the Holy Ghost for here the Corinthians second Quaere and the Apostles second answer which you are upon is about the living children of believers at least one of them and their childrens holiness you instance in Rahab a grown person as were also these first converts whose Parents were unbelievers it is likely both of them as to Rahab and you tell me of their happiness and salvation being now dead Well Sir if you were a young man or youth I would perswade you to go to one of the Universities for all this But I go to another even the last now of your Considerations and glad I am that I am come to the last end of your Considerations that so having gone through them I may return again to my Considerations of my latter and last end Deut. 32.29 and make ready to answer my last Enemy and Adversary which is Death 1 Cor. 15. 3. If it be a foederal holiness that the Apostle here speaketh of as Mr. Weinell afirmeth affirmeth and others likewise I would desire to know whether ever any of the seed of Abraham or David did enjoy any priveledg privilege of the Church upon any such account without or before they had a command for it ware were they Circumcised or did they eate the paskall paschal before they had a commaund for it And I pray shew me if you can any commaund in the Gospel for the Parrents Parents to admit any of there their children to any Ordinance of the Gospel without faith in there own persons or any commaund in the Gospel for any Minister of the Gospel to admit persons to any priveledg of the Church without faith in there owne persons or at least so far as the Ministers of the Gospel can judge Sir I thank you for your four last lines which being nothing but what you have Quaered before and I have answered before as you self or any Reader may see if you will review or remember I may save so much labour and passe by them with silence or only bid them farewell I see you begin to be weary as well as my self or to want new matter which makes you now here retrace and retract the old to requaere and require what formerly you have done I look upon them as a piece of Recapitulation as its usual at the period of a Discourse and I shall need to look no farther after them having made a long look before upon the matter of them As for the three first lines you are come now indeed to the Point your former its or suppositions were but circumferences or round-abouts It is now the second time you have named Mr. Weynell but not a Sentence or Argument of his do you mention much l●sse Argue against from first to last of this your Consideration upon 1 Cor. 7. The shortest and sweetest the finest and prettiest way of answering and confuting you have gotten that ever I met withal in any man I would you could or would teach it me I am not too old yet to learn any good thing of you your words in the beginning would have put upon him a false opinion even your own about the Matrimonial holiness of the unbeliever as if that were
plainly and directly evinced Infants Faith and Salvation by it which is all one Doth not David say and testifie Psal 8.2 out of the mouths of Babes and Sucklings hast thou ordained or founded strength or perfected praise and doth he not Psal 148.12 call upon and exhort old men and children to praise the name of the Lord the which you cannot expound of spiritual children onely as sometimes it may and somewhere for Mat. 21.15 16. they are real and bodily children that cried Hosanna to the Son of David and fulfilled Davids Speech now if these had no Grace Knowledge or Faith in Christ how could they so glorifie and praise Christ and rejoyce and even Triumph in Christ I ask again are any Infants in Christ or ingrafted into Christ or the Children of God if so as you cannot deny it for we are all one in Christ Jesus whether bond or free male or semale old or young Father or Children And God the Father hath given to Christ Infants and Children as well as Parents and Fathers and to those that Christ hath received his Father he gives eternal life But now they are all the Children of God by Faith in Christ Jesus and if they be Christ then are they Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise Galat. 3.26 28 if any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his Rom. 8.9 and he that is none of his Christ Baptizeth not But Christ Baptizeth with the inward Baptism also unto Remision of Sins many Infants these are some of his as who hath taken them into Covenant to be the God of them and them to be the Children of God And surely if Christ should not impart unto some Infants Knowledge and Faith according to their measure Competent to Salvation but only to the Adule and grown persons he might seem to be an Acceptor both of Ages and personages which he is not Deut. 10.17 Rom. 2.11 See John 6.35 and 37. He that commeth to me shall not hunger and he that beleeveth in me shall not thirst immediately Christ addeth whatsoever the Father giveth me shall come unto me or beleeve in me I ask you now and Quaere you hath not the Father in his everlasting Counsel and Bounty given to Christ all his Elect Infants and appointed them to be Christs when Psal 2.8 the Lord said unto him thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee ask of me and I shall give thee the Heathen for thine Inheritance and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession if so why then they also Infants being somewhat of that whatsoever given unto Christ shall come and do come continually unto him or beleeve in him whatsoever you say or write to the Contrary that they neither shall or do believe See Galat. 3.22 The Scripture hath shut up all things under sin that the promise by Faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those that believe you hear the disease of sin in Adam is spread over all things that is all men and whatsoever is of and in man even Infants therefore the Remedy of Faith in Christ must be spread over them too that this may be as generall and large as that so Infants who are saved must and do believe in Christ See 17. John 3. This is life everlasting to know thee the onely true God and him whom thou hast sent Jesus Christ Here is a General and universal Rule given by Christ himself the Author of Salvation without any inkling or tinkling of exception for everlasting life to be atteined namely by knowing and believing for that is also included in it as is specified and more enlarged in the 1 John 5.10 11 12 He that hath the Son hath life this life is in the Son and he that believeth hath this witness in himself c. Now I Quaere you again Have any of the Elect Infants the Son of God have they eternall life you cannot deny it and therefore you cannot deny them some spark of Knowledge and Faith See 2 Cor. 5.7 We walk by Faith and not by sight and 1 Cor. 13.12 now we see through a glass darkly but then face to face whence it appeareth there is but one way of joyning us all to Christ and of our enjoying of Christ which is Sight of him in Heaven or Faith in him upon earth to which Sight our Faith now is answerable being of the same nature and quality onely differing in the measure for Faith is nothing else but a sight of him John 12.44 and 4. Now I Quaere you again do not you think but the same way which serveth for all the rest of Gods Elect doth serve for Children also to joyn them to Christ and that there is but one life begun here which is perfected in heaven according to that He that believeth in me hath eternal life John 6.47 Then also must Infants have some light of the mind to see and behold Christ now here as in a looking glase so hereafter face to face See Rom. 4 6. To all Abrahams seed the promise is firm by Faith and his Title is the Father of the Faithfull the Scripture maketh him the Father of us all and all the Children of the promise i.e. The whole number of Gods Elect for of that Primary cause of our Salvation Gods holy Election Saint Paul there disputeth Rom. 9 8. which is observable against the Anabaptists who impute the Salvation of Infants solely to Gods Election which is acknowledged of us to be the Primary cause whereas in that very place he mentioneth a secondary cause of their Salvation that they are the Children of the promise and so reckoned in Abrahams seed because of that Interest they have in that blessed Seed in whom Abraham and all his posterity are partakers of the holy inheritance Now I Quaere you again here do you or dare you exclude Infants from being Abrahams Seed you must then also bar them from having interest and part in Christ if not why do you or dare you to deny them Faith seeing that in the same manner as Abraham obtained the Blessing which was by Faith so must all Nations of the world Jews Gentiles and every particular person all and as many as lay under the curse before even Infants therefore obtain the Blessing by Faith according as it is Gal. 3.8.13 14. What should I run on thus your self will prove as much for me anon and agaiost your self for in your confutation or rather consideration following upon Acts 2.39 there you say That nothing but Faith answereth the promise and I shall tell you that Faith answereth it as the condition If then there be no other way or means for Infants to come by Righteousness or Salvation but by Faith or believing the condition of the Covenant of Grace and the Gospel as works and doing was of the Covenant of Nature and the Law you must either grant some Infants to believe and have Faith or else