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A76759 A rejoinder consisting of two parts, the first entituled, The ballance, or, A vindication of the proceedings and judgement of Parliament and their ministers, in the cases of William (called lord) Craven, Christopher Love. : From the scandalous allegations and ironical reflections of Ralph Farmer ... in a late infamous libel of his, named, The imposter dethron'd, etc. ... Wherein the Commonwealth's case as to the one is briefly stated, and the treasons of the other are rehearsed as a looking-glass for the priests, and an awakening to England. : The second, Evil scattered from the throne, and the wheel brought over the wicked: in an examination of that part of The imposter dethron'd as is in way of reply to The throne of truth exalted, etc. Bishop, George, d. 1668. 1658 (1658) Wing B3004A; ESTC R170664 67,249 93

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and my Answer thereunto was this Viz. Whether J. N. and those with him as to his coming to The Throne of Truth c. Bristol and what was done to him by them and the people called QUAKERS were one This he affirmed and for this purpose published his Narrative Satan Title page former part c. Impostor p 24 Throne first ten pages and call'd it Quakerisme in its exaltation and concluded what he had said of the one upon the other This I denyed and proved by plain demonstration and full testimony of Truth which shall stand for ever That they were not one not led by one and the same spirit but seen to be gone forth and judged and denyed and the spirit that led them long before their coming thither and consequently That those people and the truth they witness were clear and unconcerned and that his Narrative and its Pag. 25. Title Design of it and End Foundation and Matter therein contained so far as it related unto them whom and their faith he had taken that occasion highly to charge revile and abuse was a Lye For the clearing of this being the Axis or that on which the weight of the whole did hang I expected when I heard of his Reply him to have spoken had he any thing to say but when I had view'd it round I found the field quitted and the Cause left me without an Engagement The next thing in dispute was his Narrative Whether it was a true Relation or not A true Narrative and Relation it is saith he in his Title-Page Satan Title-page Epistle and in his Epistle to the Reader he pledgeth for it his faithful Assurance in these words But this I can and do faithfully assure you That there is nothing here of the one or the other but what is real truth as will be made good upon any occasion Then which What higher Engagement can there be of honesty to induce a belief for which end it is held forth It is not so replyed I for the examination of one of Throne p. 29 30. them which gives the lye to his Conclusion upon the rehearsal of their Papers and Examinations he hath wholly left out Pag. 30. That Passage of the Examination of a second which checks the design and drift of his Relation he hath ommitted Pag. 28 29. The Examination of a third he hath affirmed to say and produced to prove contrary to his own Record of his said Examination that which it saith not Pag. 26 27. All the contents of a fourth Paper he hath neither repeated though short nor in the very words which clear the matter but makes up a pack of his own and then presents it as the language of the Paper to slander the innocent Pag. 27 28. A fifth Deposition he brings forth clipt of that clause which renders it false sworn Pa. 2 5 7 8. 9. And a sixth Letter wanting divers words and a material part of a sentence and in the close changed from its own into such an expression forged in and then pointed to with a marginal Note OBSE●VE as not onely quite altered the sense but rendred it very scandalous and the life of him liable to danger had it really been his whose was the subscription Pag. 25 31 32 Hereupon I concluded his Narrative a lye and him as a Narrator reprobate to faith and honesty Of this being the hinge on which turned the whole of his Reputation as on the other did the Cause I listened for a thorough Vindication could he have made it but throughout the whole Reply I could not hear a whisper of his said Engagement in his Epistle nor of the words Reprobate to faith and honesty Nor of his quotations of his own Pag 74. books which I had charged upon him to have made to belye one another and both to give himself the lye and to prove him a false Prophet in such a business of consequence as foreseeing and foretelling things to come of which he so highly vaunted No nor of nor to my demands viz. By what spirit didst thou foresee and foretel The infallib●e spirit thou hast not so thou hast confessed pag. 34. a●d the spirit of the Lord is infallible Is it not the Witch the fallible spirit that is out of the truth that hath divined seeing that spirit that doth foretell which is not the spirit of the Lord is such Then I considered him as to Religion and I found proving it upon him by plain Scripture That his share in a Pag. 61 62 63 70 71. Christianity he had renounc't That his b Pag. 61. hopes to be saved his c Pag. 65 66. happiness and way to true happiness was a lye and that his d Pag. 63 64 65. Ministers Ministry Word Churches Unity Orders Peace Civility good Manners all that Religion which he saith Apollion Abaddon the destroyer is tearing laying waste and confounding is the same for all that is confounding tearing and laying waste and he saith the e Satan Epist to the Reader destroyer is tearing laying wast confounding ministers ministry Word Churches Unity Order Peace Civility good Manners yea * O horrible blasphemy None but Christ Jesus is Truth it self and Truth it self saith this Priest Apollion c. is confounding Truth it self and all Religion is shaken all that is shaken is of things that are made and that they are shaken signifies the removing of those things that are shaken as of things that are made that those things which cannot be shaken may remain Heb. 12. 26 27. But of these slaine heapes upon heapes I finde no mention I also weighed his f Pag. 80. to pag 90. Profession his Coate and Craft and Generation his g Pag 80. Satan pag. 34. Argument in his Answer to his own objection formed against the friends of truth as Knaves Impostors and Deceivers and found it and them all too light and proved them turning his Argument on his own and the heads of his generation Knaves Inter alliis they are his own words Impostors Deceivers who say they are Ministers of the Gospel and yet pretend not to the infallible spirit which they had who were Ministers of the Gospel who affirm that their necessary deductions from the Scriptures are as true and certain as the Scriptures yea that they are Scripture and yet deny that they speak by inspiration by which all Scripture was given and as the holy men of God did who spake as they were moved of the Holy Ghost or that they have infallibility who declare that they deceive not the people in stretching beyond their line measure whereas in stretching beyond their line and measure in the line and measure of others is the whole of their Trade of Divination who confess that they may he deceived and may erre and say that they do not lyingly and hypocritically pretend to an infallibility and yet
he is cast in the ground-work of his defamings of me on which he saith pag. 117. his discourse and discovery is founded as my Answer hath overturned the foundation of his blasphemings of the truth But stand it doth before him who seeth all things in the fear of whom I have spoken this twice and I question not but stand it will notwithstanding all this dirt before the sober and truly wise in heart who shall read and seriously consider what shall be said in this matter And here I shall not rehearse nor speake to all he hath written it deserving neither nor shall I trouble the Reader with a voluminous discourse with whithe of necessity I must should J be particular in every thing nor shal I defile my Pen with the repetition of all his unclean and unsavoury language in abuse of me but shall bri●fly come to what he calls his Evidence upon which he saith page 83. Clear he is That if any Jury in the world of discreet sober impartial and understanding men were to pass upon me they would give in this verdict That I do know of many indirect proceedings in the matter of the Lord Craven and Fauconer and that J my self hath used them and that therefore I am not clear and innocent in this matter Which I shall examine and scan and then leave it to all understanding impartial sober discreet men even to that of God in the conscience which is just to judge Whether notwithstanding all his Evidence I am not clear and innocent yea whether his said Evidence viz. the pretended Paper said by him to be signed by Major Fauconer on his Death-Bed and the Book entituled The Lord Cravens Case c. do not make me so to appeare For the pretended Paper said to be signed by Fauconer Although the black character which himself hath drawn over the man as one most scandalous and perjur'd and his producing the said Paper in the behalf of his Lord Craven to prove him such be material Arguments against himself for the invallidating the credit of any thing said to be wrote or signed or spoken by Fauconer against me and although the said pretended Paper as it is set down by R. F. without date or witness and with an c. at th● foot appears rather as a forged Libel then a true Record and so not to be taken notice of especially coming forth on the single credit of him whom I have proved to be a falsifier of his own Records c. yet upon supposition that the Paper is Fauconer● and that every word thereof as it is set down by R. F. without any variation interposition or omission of word or syllable was wrote and signed by him and that it is all and every word and syllable that was so wrote and signed which whether it be or not I shall leave to the sober to judge and those who are concern'd to look after upon what by and by shall be offered to consideration in that particular I say Upon supposition as aforesaid I shall thereunto thus speak First it saith And here I dare not say that any man bribed Impostor p 28. me no none d●d Whereby I am cleared from that false and slanderous imputation of corrupting Fauconer to swear falsly in the Case aforesaid which Cravens friends at the tryal of Fauconer at the Upper-bench and the Author of the Pamphlet entituled A true and perfect Narrative c. and R F. in this his Reply have so industriously sought to fix upon me Secondly the Words I dare not say that any one bribed me no none did do plainly intimate That strong temptations to affirm the contrary viz. That some did bribe Fauconer were on him who ever he were that wrote it but the dread or the righteous God who pleadeth the cause of the innocent was such upon him that he said I dare not no none did Unto the witness of which God of truth hadst thou R. F. hearkened when as thy self confesses pag. 18 19 upon the first reading of the declaration of my innocency which thou calls my bold and daring appeal it caused thee to make a stand and seriously to observe it and astonished thee and made thee to read it again and to consider whether there might not be some equivocation in the language and expression how was thy evil eye abroad R. F se●rching for iniquity which nor appearing to thee thou then beganst to think that possibly I might not be guilty this being an age sayest thou wherein many things are charged upon many men very slightly and ungroundedly and sometimes very falsly which is my case Ralph in this matter that by thy self I say Hadst thou stil hearkned thereunto obeyed it then thou hadst done me right as hath the other instead of wronging of me in so high wicked a manner as thou hast in this thy Reply for which a strict reckoning thou hast to make with him who is the Judge of all before whom thou must shortly appear and then thou shalt know what thou hast done and what it was that made thee stand and seriously to consider and astonisht thee and put thee to reading again and notwithstanding thy evil eye which searched for equivocation in the language and expression to set it by judged in my behalf the second time and caused thee to begin to think that possibly I might not be guilty and further to express thy self as hath been said which is the truth and which shall stand a witness against and plead my cause with thee for ever for I am innocent before the Lord in this thing and his Witness it was that stopped thee in thy way this twice and gave judgment for me and shall do it eternally against thee the mouth of the Lord of Hosts hath spoken it though thou heeding and being guided by that spirit which watched and searched for iniquity against the Witness didst suffer the evil o●e to get over and to hurry thee forth into very bitter and violent expressions of me and didst then and hast since through the just judgement of God upon thee trampled it under foot and mayest do yet for a little season till the measure of thine iniquity be filled up yet shall it revive again and then shalt thou know that the Lord hath said it and that thou art the man and that the things are true of thy self which thou hast uttered forth against and upon occasion of me in the following lines of the pages aforesaid Now this Paper which after much travel is procured and made use of as the foundation of this last attempt for the retrival of the said estate and the blemishing of my Reputation in order thereunto acquitting me thus manifestly as hath been said what need I any further vindication 3. The particulars in which I am named in that Paper are onely these And here I utterly renounce c. especially a late Pamphlet sent to me by Capt. Bishop the cause of my
writing that Pamphlet was c. And when I made a demur at the words Barbarous and inhumane Rebels Capt. Bishop said If you leave that out you do nothing True I had done great services for them but not by employment and Capt. Bishop kept me low with small pittances so that I was at his Bow To the first J sent him no such Pamphlet as there is intimated nor put J him in any such either by my self directly or by under-actors upon the consideration there mentioned or any other To the second J know not of nor do J remember or believe that any such demur was made by him at any time or that J returned any such answer nor that he scrupled his information nor had J any suspition that he was not clear in the certainty of any part thereof had it been so J should have stopt his deposing thereof though himself had offered it but had he made such a demur and had J replyed as is expressed doth it therefore follow or saith the paper that J bade him swear it notwithstanding or left him otherwise then to his liberty either to leave out these words or to put them in as he was satisfied in the truth of them or the contrary so to have done had been indirect dealing indeed and such an abominable wickedness as my soul ever abhorr'd Besides those words pretended to be spoken in answer are justifiable according to the common acceptation of that phrase amongst men To the third it is a further justification of me who by it am made to appear to have been so far from encouraging any such thing as false information or perjury in Fauconer that though he had done great services for the State yet J kept him low with small pittances so that he was at my bow What! to swear falsly nay the contrary as the reasonable may judge And here by the way the Reader may take notice of the confusion of R. F. who one while seeks to prove that J corrupted Fauconer with great sums of money expressing what they were and by whom paid pag. 90. Another by keeping him low with small pittances who affirms pag. 90. That though he were not bribed with money before-hand yet it was promised him and liberty too and presently saith Why was it promised him No doubt That he might not flintch from his oath so making it after And a few lines following that demands But I pray Why was not the money paid him which was promised and yet in the next words instances several sums of money which he saith was paid him by my direction and then saith Why was not the money promised him now paid Thus as to money and as to liberty having made a slanderous relation concerning my being the occasion thereof out of Newgate thereby endeavouring to prove the performance of the promise of liberty as of money and reflected upon me with a heap of notorious lyes therein nevertheless of both viz. Money and Liberty he saith thus But I say Why was not his liberty procured him now and the money paid him now and immediately answers himself Oh! saith he the business was done the Estate sold let him hang let him starve now it may be the sum promised him was too great and they could not agree who should pay it the Estate being sold wickedly insinuating a combination to make up his pack of scandalous falshoods And thus like a swift Dromadary traversing her ways and as a Bear bereft of her Whelps he raves up and down with A ●ea and No and It is so and It is not so doubling and redoubling the counter again and all to bring forth this lye and foul aspersion on me with which he sorely travels viz. That I bribed Fauconers perjury Which he being not able to compass his own sayings in this point as so many false Witnesses not agreeing among themselves but disproving one another with Diametrical opposition yet such is his Wickedness that he will have it so notwithstanding as aforesaid and that the pretended Paper his Libels chief Engine raised up against my reputation clears me as doth my conscience of any such thing in these full and express Words And here I dare not say that any one bribed me no none did as hath been rehearsed This is Priest Farmer and the villany of him who pretends himselfe to be a Minister of the Gospel The Paper doth not say that Fauconers information or those Words Barbarous and inhumane Rebels or any other part of it arose from any one but himself nor that any one knew that the information or any particular thereof was false or that any one knowing it to be false used any means or provoked him to swear it but it saith The Words viz. Barbarous and inhumane Rebels being once not but once as R. F. belyes it pag. 89. named by me they were as quickly inserted Which granting it to be so though I know of no such snatching was no more then what ought to have been done it freely proceeding from the Informant and being of such importance to the State though R. F. keeps so great a-do in several pages to wrest it to the contrary So by the Paper the fault if any lies on Faulconers part who gave the information and who it saith falsly swore it as he since remembers saith the Paper not when he deposed it and upon no other or if it be it appears not on whom to fix it for though the Words I was hastily after a great sickness provoked to it seem to intimate the contrary yet whether it was by inward temptation or outward suggestion to either of which the term Provoke is convertible who can determine or who it was that used such provocation seeing therein the Paper is silent For my part I know of neither nor of any such hast as the Paper mentions or that the information or any part of it was false or that he doubted of the truth of any thing he deposed The information was wholly from himself he was very free in giving it and time there was enough Dayes and Weeks and Months for consideration had he doubted in himself between the first Discourse wherein Faulconer mentioned Cravens Name and the beginning of his information and the deposing of what he had informed 5. The Paper saith So that I do here solemnly protest that I did not then when he made oath absolutely remember whether the very words Barbarous and Inhumane Rebells were expunged and premises these as the reasons in the foregoing words viz. For after twenty Weeks sickness sayth it this was done my body being low and in much haste being much infeebled and above three quarters of a year after I came over Sea Which plainly clears his information as to those words and no other clause was insisted upon at the tryal as a perjury from being a packt feigned or designed thing and himselfe from being guilty viz. of Corrupt Wilfull and Malitious perjury the verdict brought