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A31126 The conformists sayings, or, The opinion and arguments of kings, bishops, and several divines lately assembled in convocation in favour of those who dissent from the present ceremonies of publick worship by a Minister of the Church of England. R. C., Minister of the Church of England. 1690 (1690) Wing C102; ESTC R13828 58,158 82

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wickedness 2. None but peccator gravis scandalosus Why should a man proceed to violent remedies when a gentle application will make the cure Therefore the Fathers in the Council of Worms in Can. 2. Decreed Nullus Sacerdotum c. no Priest shall excommunicate any man sound in the Faith for small and light causes but only for some very grievous fault according to the practice of the Fathers St. Leo in the 93. Epist forbade Let not the Communion be easily or lightly denied to any Christian nor at the pleasure of every angry Priest It was a worthy cause of complaint in St. Leo to consider that this evil was done for so little things and therefore if the Church do Excommunicate him whose Actions or Words though faulty yet can consist with the state of a good man and do not destroy the Love of God the Censure was too heavy as to the External and false as to the Internal Communion For the man is not fallen from God but doth communicate with the head and continue to receive of the Spirit of Christ 3. Neither is this sufficient a scandalous sin alone is not enough for Excommunication is the last remedy Omnia prius tentanda When nothing else will do it then is this to be used for his amendment Bishop Usher 's Directions concerning Liturgy and Episcopal Government That none might be excommunicated but by the Bishop himself with the consent of the Pastor in those Parishes the Delinquent dwells and that for heinous and scandalous Crimes joyned with obstinacy and wilful contempt Idem In his Body of Divinity Bishop Pearson on the Creed pag. 350. By great and scandalous offences by incorrigible mis-demeanors we my incur the Censure of the Church of God and while we are shut out thence we stand excluded out of Heaven Item Doctor More 's Mistery of Godliness 14. chap. That none are to be excluded from Communion that profess the belief of the Holy Scripture and the Creed unless they stand guilty for some gross and scandalous sins and do persist therein impenitent and unreclaim'd Item The Judgment of the Church being nothing else but an effective and terrible Declaration of the Judgment of God must not be exterminating and Final for things of little concernment but according to the Mercy which we hope for Again If the Church kills on Earth i. e. Excommunicates and God saves in Heaven its clear she hath not used her power aright Whoever deserves Excommunication deserves Damnation pag. 530. in Collection of Discourse Polemical and Moral In the Commination The persons coming under the Discipline of the Church said to be such as stood convict of Notorious Sin And further the Wrath of God which obstinate sinners through the stubbornness of their Hearts have heaped unto themselves which despised the Goodness Patience and Long-sufferance of God when he called them continually to Repentance c. And the Curses therein are denounced against wilful and open Evil Livers Article 33. of the Church of England That person which by open denunciation of the Church is rightly cut off that is Excommunicate c. On which Mr. Rogers Exposition reckons two sorts of men to be rightly Excommunicated whereof the one pervert the sound Doctrine of the Truth as did Hymeneus and Philetus the Resurrection the other sort such as be defiled with notorious wickedness Bishop Jewel 's Defence of the Apol. pag. 140. The Minister we say shutteth up the gate of the Kingdom of Heaven against unbelieving and stubborn persons denouncing unto them Gods Vengeance and Everlasting punishment or else quite shutting them out of the Bosom of the Church by open Excommunication Item pag. 146. That the wicked and wilful and such as would not believe c. Item Reply to Harding pag. 32. Persons Excommunicate upon great and notorious Crimes could not be suffered to communicate with the rest of the Faithful Item pag. 88. The apparent wicked and ungodly were removed from the Congregation Bishop Andrew 's Latter Sermons pag. 32. It hath ever been held good Divinity that the Church from Christ received power to censure and separate wilful offenders Item pag. 55. Speaking of the same power given to Edification and not to Destruction I say not first and principally to Destruction nor of any save only of the wilful and impenitent Sinner Item Bishop Andrew 's Sermons Edit 3. pag. 727. Then is not every Error repugnant to Gods Grace God is able to pardon and not impute Error in Opinion as well as Error in Practice did not the High Priest offer as well for the Errors as the Transgressions of the people This only we are to look to that with St. Peter we be not wilful if there come a clear comperi as ready to relent in the one as to repent of the other Archbishop Laud cited in Dr. Puller 's Moderation of the Church of England pag. 391. The Church of England is not such a shrew to her children as to deny her Blessing or denounce an Anathema against them if some peaceably dissent in Points remoter from the Foundation Bishop Davenant 's Letter to Duraeus The Apostles Creed saith he and the Articles therein contained he that believeth and endeavours to lead a Life conformable to the commands of Christ is not to be blotted out of the Roul of Christians nor expelled from Communion with other Members of any Christian Church whatsoever Item That Church doth too much please it self which rejects others in which neither Tyranny nor Idolatry nor Deadly Heresie is found as men unworthy of Communion with her for some Infirmity of Understanding the Fathers of the Ancient Church did not so Why should men be more rigid than God Why should any Error exclude any man from the Churches communion which will not deprive him of Eternal Salvation Dr. Chill chap. 4. Sect. 40. of his Book Doctor Chillingw chap. 4. Sect. 13. What Man or Church believes the Creed and all the evident consequences of it if also he believe the Scripture sincerely and heartily cannot possibly be in any Error of simple belief offensive unto God nor deserve for any such Error to be deprived of his Life or cut off from the Churches communion and hope of Salvation Sir Francis Bacon In his Advertisement of the controversies of the Church of England and of his works pag. 138. pag. 192. Of the abuse of Excommunication vide c. Hooker 's Discourse of Justification pag. 54. If was a perilous Error that the Galatians held about Justification yet so far was St. Paul from striking their Names out of Christ's Book that he commandeth others to receive them i. e. to have communion with them with singular Humanity use them as Brethren he knew mans imbecility had a feeling of our blindness which are Mortal Men how great it is The Judgment of the Professors of Divinity in the Vniversity of Aberdeen mentioned pag. 707 is not unsuitable to this Subject That the condition of that Church is
and other guiltless occurrents may and will have their judgments severally disposed Doctor Barrows Vol. 3. Serm. 8. Men seeing by several lights relishing by diversly disposed palates and measuring things by differing standards we can hardly do or say any thing Religious or Civil which if approved or applauded by some will not be disliked and blamed by others in this irreconcileable diversities and inconsistency of mens apprehensions Design of Christianity Christians because of the diversities of their capacities educations and other means and advantages some points may be most plainly perceived by some to be delivered in the Scripture which cannot be so by others with the like ease Doctor Stillingfleets Irenicum p. 21. Argu. 2. The peace and settlement of Christs Church not depending upon a condition never likely to be attained in this world which is the agreement and uniformity of mens opinions for as long as mens faces differ their judgments will The True state of the primitive Church p. 2. Mens understandings are as various as their speech or their countenance otherwise it were impossible there should be so many understanding and moderate yea and conscientious men also Papists Lutherans Calvinists all in such opposition one against another Conf. Plea for the Non Conformists part 4. pag. 40. How various are the degrees of light and the dictates of Conscience even in good wise and self-searching men and that even in a division of judgment and practice The first cause is different degrees of Light and means of attaining knowledge Some are more deep and quick searching and industrious have better means and opportunities of knowing I do not now take notice of the biasses of education prejudice pre-possessions and passions of Men nor the influence of the world upon mens alterations Kidders Sermon of peace p. 24. It is indeed very possible after all that the best men may differ from each other Mr. Wakes Sermon on Rom. 15.5 6 7. p. 8. Mens different capacities and opportunities and tempers and educations considered 't is in vain to expect that all good men should agree in all their notions of Religion any more then we see they do in any other concerns whatsoever And p. 9. That mens understandings are different and they will argue different ways and entertain different opinions from one another about the same things and yet may nevertheless deserve on all sides to be esteemed very good and wise men for all that Serious and Compassionate Enquiry It is true indeed there may be and must be diversities of apprehensions in several points of Christianity while men are of different capacities Mr. Cooks Sermon on Rom. 12 18 p. 7. It cannot possibly be meant their agreement in judgment Rom. 12 16. for that you know cannot be forced one mans mind though he would himself cannot always be bent to anothers perswasion yet there are some among us great pretenders too to holiness who value no agreement like that in principles if they can but meet with a man that jumps with them in sentiments he is cherished and embraced as a knowing man well enclined and disposed to good things Argument for Tol. in differences of Opinion Printed 81. p. 2. Had God intended we should be all of one opinion as indeed that we should be of one Faith he could have made every thing as clear and plain in the Holy Scripture and as undoubted as any p. 4. Idem By way of illustration let us make a supposal that a Master biddeth three or four of his Servants do such or such a thing and that the Servants differ about the sense and meaning of the command one understanding it one way another another way and a third in this the fourth in that according to the judgment of their own discretion and this is our Case we all are equally servants not bound to that sense of the word which another gives indeed some servants are to bring the word to others but those others not bound to the sense of it further than they are perswaded it is their Masters search the Scriptures and try the spirits c. Principles and Practices of Moderation c. p. 310. It is no less unreasonable to malign our brethren because they are not in every thing of our judgment than to quarrel with each other upon the account of the unlikeness we observe in our faces and constitutions Mr. Tulli's Sermon of Moderation p. 17. Let us not therefore if we have any sense of Moderation and temper persist to dress up things in hideous and portentous shapes to frighten and exasperate one another but let us rather ascribe the differences amongst us to error of judgment the prejudices of education infelicity of Constitution or to any other of those either innocent or excusable causes which render an intire unity of opinions an impossible thing That Mutual Favour and Forbearance of one another in Love is necessary among Christians in their Diversities of Judgments EDward the Sixth Queen Elizabeth King James the First King Charles the First and Second and King James the Second all gave their Toleration and Indulgence to the several Churches Dissenting from us the Dutch at Colchester Walloones at Norwich and French at London and at Canterbury or elsewhere King James the First of Blessed Memory in his Letters to the States of the Vnited Provinces March 6. 1613. Magis Autem e re fore si Ministris vestris stricte imperetis ut pacem colant se invicem tolerando in ista opinionum sententiarum discrepantia Eoque justius videmur vobis hoc ipsum suadere debere quod neutram comperimus adeo deviam ut non possint cum fidei Christianae veritate cum animarum salute consistere But it would be more advantageous if you did give a strict charge to your Ministers to keep the Peace by mutual Toleration of one another in the difference of Opinions and Judgments And therefore we seem more justly to give you this Counsel because we find neither of these Opinions so Erroneous but that they may consist with the Truth of the Christian Faith and the Salvation of their Souls Bishop Hall 's Letters to Duraeus Why do we profess Christian Charity if we do pertinaciously refuse to Indulge the difference of our Brethren from us in these Scholastick Problems so he calls the differences between Lutherans and Calvinists when we know that our benign Saviour most mildly tolerated and silently passed by more grievous in his own Domesticks King Charles the First 's Message of a Treaty from Oxford March 3. 1643. He desired the Members of both Houses of Parliament to consult and agree upon such things as might conduce to the maintenance and defence of the Reformed Protestant Religion with due consideration for all just and reasonable ease to tender Consciences Item in the Kings Second Message for Peace January 29 1645. That by the Liberty offered in the fifteenth present for the ease of their Consciences who communicate not