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A57980 A survey of the spirituall antichrist opening the secrets of familisme and antinomianisme in the antichristian doctrine of John Saltmarsh and Will. Del, the present preachers of the army now in England, and of Robert Town, by Samuel Rutherfurd ... Rutherford, Samuel, 1600?-1661. 1648 (1648) Wing R2394; ESTC R22462 573,971 671

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men 9. No men are to be rebuked for sinnes sin and all wickednesse is to be imputed to God so the Antinomians make the Holy-Ghost the cause and author of all the good we doe and say reason will all the faculties of the soule are destroyed in the conversion of a sinner who then acteth all sinnes and wickednesse in believers Famili●ts teach the same expressely see Bright starre and Theol. Germanica 10. Men are to convert all their sinnes to good and to repute them their gain and advantage 11. They said Christ incarnate was nothing but a godly man or a believer made of a body and of an opinion that he could not sin nor know good and ill and when Christ died he dyed in opinion Antinomians say Christ is God incarnate in every believer God saith Theol. Germ. is in man and works his will alon● and doth doe and leave undone any thing without any I to me mine and the like where these things are and exist there is true Christ and no where else 12. They said sinne was but a vaine opinion because God is the author of it saith M. Archer with Antinomians and God can doe no ill 13. Regeneration they say is to returne to the ignorance of good and ill as it was Adam's sinne to know good and ill and mortification is to lay aside all conscience and knowledge of sinne and as child●en to cast away sense and conscience and therefore when any mourned or were grieved in conscience or repented for sinne they said to such a man O Adam livest thou yet and keepest thou still the gust and taste of the apple that Adam eat after the same manner Antinomians now say repentance griefe sorrow for sense or conscience of sinne in a believer is legall carnall fleshly from unbeliefe and the old Adam and that its contrary to faith and Gospel-light to confesse sinnes and was a worke of the flesh in David 14. They said a regenerate man is perfect as an Angel and that he that is borne of God cannot sinne So say the Antinomians Towne assert pag. 77 78. R. Becon Catechis pag. 137 138. pag. 211 212. Saltmarsh free grace 140 154. Rise reign er 70. 15. They said Christian liberty extended to all things that in regard we are under no law nor rule of life all things are lawfull so Antinomians as all know teach the same 16. They said a regenerate man as regenerate sinned not but only the flesh or his asse so Towne also assert pag. 35 Saltm free grace 142. Eaton honey-combe c. 4. pag. 47. 17. That every man follow his calling that is his naturall inclination and the world that is custome and so put away his wife when he suteth not with her and marry another is lawfull so as men may live as their corrupt hearts as the lust of the eye and the lust of the flesh and the pride of life carrieth them which three are not from God 1 Joh. 2.16 as if sense and naturall inclination were Gods calling and not the Devils I prove at length that it is the Antinomian doctrine to say the sinnes of believers are not truly and really and in Gods account sinnes but onely to our lying sense reason false feeling and to the flesh 18. It 's say they the communion of Saints to have all things common goods wives c. Antinomians say for an unbeliever to take another mans wife is sinne because they are under the law but it 's no sinne to a believer freed from the law for God can see no more sinne in him then in Christ Jesus honey-combe ca. 3. c. 25 26 27. 19. They said the resurrection was passed and that we have compleatly and in possession life eternall in this life so say Antinomians expresly as I prove CHAP. III. Of Anabaptists N. Stork Th. Muncer Jo. Becold c. and their Tenets ANno 1522. Did arise in Saxonie Nicholas Stork who boasted of dreames and visions and rejected the Scripture as being a carnall and literall rule Antinomians call it carnall literall and legall From him and others arose Thomas Mun●erus about Ann. 1524. who stiled himselfe in his letters Thomas Muncer the servant of God with the sword of Gideon against the ungodly This man being hungry for glory hunted for Luthers name to his new designes but not obtaining it said Luther lopped but rooted not out Antichrist that Luthers carnall and literall Gospel was worse then the Pope and therefore cryed downe bookes and the letter of Scripture and said the Spirit was leader and rule to believers As Mistris Hutchison of N. England being demanded a warrant for her private assemblies and teaching said she walked by the rule of the new creature which rule she said was the Spirit but could not give Scripture for it so the Antinomian Del in her very Grammer saith he knoweth no laws in Gods Kingdome the Church but three 1. Th● law of a new creature 2. the law of the Spirit of life that is in Christ. 3. The law of love not one word of the Scripture here it s but a dead Letter Antinomians Familists Nicholai●ans Enthusiasts Sweckfeldians Libertines goe no higher that they may abase the Scriptures Luther wrote to the Senate of Mulhuysen a famous Towne in Thuringia to beware of the wolfe Muncer Henry Pfeiffer a Monk did blow up Muncerus he boasting of a vision from Heaven gathered troops to the field The Princes of Saxoni Hess●n and Brunswick the Count of Manfield and the Princes in Sweden Thuringia Alsa●ia Franconia Bavaria Au●tria and Stiria subdued and killed the Boures or Husbandmen and Rusticks who were sick of love for Muncers Liberty or rather licence due to them as the false Prophets said under the New Testament on a hill neer Frankbusen Muncer drew up and cryed The Sword of the Lord and of Gideon against New Testament taskmasters hee meant Princes and lawfull Magistrates yet was Muncer taken in the Town Frankbusen and Pfeiffer also near Isewick and Muncer having fained himself sick and despairing he and his Prophet were hanged An. 1525. By these and other the like bloody inspirations were above a hundred thousand killed In Helvetia Felix Montzy Balthaser Hubmeir and Conradus Grebelius of Zurick spreading by word and writ Anabaptisme of this kinde at Zurick An. 1525. were confounded in a publicke dispute by Huldicus Zwinglius Leo Juda and Casper Megander Hubmeir who professed and promised recantation in the Pulpit preached the contrary Satan leading his tongue as he said Held that Adams flesh not his spirit consented to sin and that he lost not true Liberty by his fall against him and the Anabaptists pretending the Spirit for their rule and rejecting the Scriptures as Antinomians doe The Senate of Zurick An. 1530. past an Act discharging them to Preach Ann. 1525. 1527. 1529. they were confuted An. 1528. Lodivicus Helser Joannes Trajer Joan. Seekler and other Anabaptists
Historicall Literall and Grammaticall sense but in the Mysterious Allegoricall and Spirituall sense is the way of Legalists who say they follow the Letter and know nothing of the Spirit but the Letter killeth and the Spirit quickneth Read Philosophy dissected and the peeces called Theologia Germanica and the Bright Star and H. Nicholas his Exhortations and Documentals and you shall find strange Allegories And Saltmarsh is as Monkish in Allegories as they 2. Antinomians tell us often of imputed righteousnesse which supposeth Christ was a true reall Man and God-Man in one person and that we are saved by the merit an satisfaction of his obedience and death imputed to us But Saltmarsh and Familists her● tell us Christ is a meere figure sampler document or example onely in which God discovers to us grace and love And all that is spoken of Christ as in that person not in that person really but figuratively as in that person that was borne of a virgin who was circumcised c. is spoken in figure of the whole nature What Was not Christ reall and very Man our only surety Mediator High Priest who offered a reall sacrifice for us Is he nothing but a figure and if Adam was not the first man in whom all stood and fell so that all have sinned in him neither can Christ be the second Man in whom all his sonnes are justified redeemed and saved But Familists deny that Adam was the first man in whom all stood and fell as Saltmarsh told us before and therefore Familists deny that doctrine of the first and second Adam Rom. 5. and 1 Cor 15. 3. It is a mystery that all that Christ did from his childhood to his crucifying death and crosse was a discove●y of God by this Figure in the whole mystery how God is in all his and works and hath his times of Law-crucifying c. Was his crucifying but a discovery or a document of God by this figure The Scripture riseth higher He was wounded for our transgression he was bruised for our iniquity the chastisement of our peace was upon him with his stripes we are healed Esai 53. And him that knew no sinne God made sinne for us that we might be made the righteousnesse of God in him as it is 2 Cor. 5.21 And in his own selfe on the tree he bare our sinnes 1 Pet. 2.24 The Familists make Christ a discovery and a teaching figure not a true Man The Socinians make him a Man but a meere example of patient suffering if we follow him his example will save us but they denyed he payed a reall satisfactory ransome to Gods justice for us 4. By Christs death say they God witnesseth to his people that he is their God and they his people by killing all their strength and life and power of the first creation and carrying it up to a more excellent and glorious life his own Spirit How killed Christ the strength life and power of the first creation Christ is but a figure and Christ but suffers sayth Gortine and dies in us when we who beare his Image For Man saith Saltmarsh p. 3 4. is created according to the Image of God which was Jesus Christ doe suffer and die for God cannot die And to this agreeth well what Saltmarsh saith p. 288. Others say he himselfe and Familists in opposition to Protestants who make Gospel-administration to stand in repentance faith sanctification justification 285 286. the mystery of salvation is no other then Immanuel or God with us Christ being no more but an anointed one and that anointed one is our nature or weaknesse anointed with the Spirit even God himselfe who is strength And this mystery of great and exceeding glory is revealed in peeces and parts and after the manner of men according to the infirmity of our flesh within the Christian in graces c. and in the Scriptures or expressions and formes without the Christian then is Christ crucified nothing but a beleever graced within with Gods Image And p. 283. he saith O how doth the pure appearance of God powre shame upon all flesh and fleshly glory Either by letter or by graces the day of the Lord will be upon all our Cedars and Okes. Now a Saint anointed is God manifested in the flesh to Saltmarsh and will the Lord powre shame on God manifested in the flesh or is the day of the Lord against Christ ●evealed within the Christian in graces and in the Scriptures without the Christian Then is Gods wrath kindled against grace within and Scripture without brave Divinity The Scripture saith not that Christ on the Crosse killed the strength life and power of the first creation that is Gospel-grace beleeving and God manifested in the Saints that is the new creature in them and the first creation that is as they say the natu●rall faculties of knowing willing nilling so as the holy Ghost and the Lord Jesus must come in place of these faculties and in us love feare beleeve rejoyce and we all our powers that we had in creation must be dead passive organs Industry Arts Sciences Tongues Labouring acting of Duties quite removed as flesh and corruption and we turned in all spirit See Rise reign Er. 1 2. For Saltm saith Sparkles of Glory 230 231. all other askings or seekings of God which are not thus in Spirit or in the will or mind of God in some evidence or pure work of the Spirit is but the askings of creatures as creatures All exhortations in Scripture to this duty as Seek yee my face Pray continually are onely then rightly effectually and properly applied and obeyed when the Spirit of God doth it in the Christian when the Spirit of God breathes in and reveals the will of God and acts in the duty or expressions and the Christian speakes in himselfe or the presence of others that mind of God and so the Spirit of God cloathes it selfe in flesh or letter or expressions as to the outward man If by a pure work of the Spirit Saltmarsh mean that the Spirit acteth as the principall determining moving acting cause carrying on the work so as our Spirit and naturall faculties of mind will affection have their own subordinate and inferiour active influence in the work the holy Ghost helping our infirmities it is good but this is no new light nor Familisticall secret of all Spirit but that which Protestants teach against Den and other Arminians old liers and new lights But ● feare a pure work of the Spirit is as much as the Spirit acts purely wholly only in praying and all supernaturall acts and the naturall faculties strength power and life of the first creation are destroyed and annihilated so as we are dead passive Organs doing nothing but the Spirit doth all as Libertines say Second causes work nothing but God as the soul of all worketh all in all creatures This is the secret and so the praying and all the supernaturall duties of beleevers are pure
bloud he washeth us 4. Wee behoved to beleeve from eternity for wee are justified by Faith 5. All the justified have a reall union and interest in Christ to live by faith and wait on God in all their troubles by faith but though their be an union of love in Gods minde from eternity betweene the elect and God yet a compleat union betweene us and Christ without the Spirit and without any faith though it be boldly asserted by Familists is against the Scripture for then might wee bee borne againe and not receive Christ by faith contrary to the Scripture and be united to Christ as branches to the Vine-tree and not abide in Christ have Christ dwelling in our heart and not by faith contrary to Paul so might Christ live in us and we eat and drinke him as the true Manna have the Sonne and yet want faith contrary to the Scriptures All which or most of them prove that wee were not justified when Christ dyed on the crosse 6. All that are justified are unseparably sanctified and called ●nd the blessing of justification hath with it the receiving of the promise of the Spirit through faith and peace with God through the Lord Jesus Christ accesse by faith into grace whereby we stand rejoycing in the hope of the glory of God glorying in tribulation patience experience hope but many for whom Christ dyed have none of these till they be justified by Faith the distinction of justification in or before God or to our own sense by faith will not help this for the Scripture no where speaketh of justification but by faith onely the meritorious price of our justification is payed on the Crosse but that is not justification CHAP. XIX Gods love of good will and of good liking a warrantable distinction NOr can wee stand to that Antinomian ground that in Justification there is no change of our state and spirituall condition before God and that God hath the same love to us before and after conversion and that it is a vaine distinction of Gods love of good will called amor 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vel benevolentiae and good liking amor complacentiae because God loveth because he loveth and for no cause in the creature not their most eminent works done by the influence of Gospel-grace But if this distinction bee right taken it hath an evident ground in Scripture We teach that the love of benevolence and good will is the liking free delight and choise of the person to glory and to all the meanes even to share in Christs Mediatory love and the fruits of his death in this love he willeth and ordaineth and layeth up good and happinesse for us expecting no payment at our hand the other love is onely denyed by Antinomians but without ground for this love of complacencie is of things not of persons and when we say God loveth his Saints for their inherent holynesse and delighteth in them for it we meane no other thing then that God loves the sparkles of his owne rarest worke his saving grace so farre as to make it a meanes to fulfill the love and gracious decree of good will of free election not that any new immanent act of love arises towards the person loved that was not in God toward that person from eternity but the truth is God first createth a lovely and love-worthy object and then out of that love that createth being and the lovely object hee goeth on to continue the former act of loving and delighting in that object and rendreth it more lovely Creatures cannot create the object of their love but find it created to their hand and expect to have some perfection added to them in an union of love with that excellent thing they love and they are often deceived and ever their love hath a cause and hire and reward in the thing loved Now when it is said that God loveth all that he hath made then he created his owne lover and his owne love 2. When hee loveth the chaines and bracelets about the neck of his Spouse Cant. 4. He there createth in his Christ a new rare piece liker to himselfe then the works of pure and simple creation this is not pure love but a continuation of his creating good will nor doth the creature engage God to love it but as divine love gave being to these ornaments of grace the inherent holinesse in his Bride so that the same love continueth it selfe in delighting in his owne worke 3. So he is said to love his Bride for or because of her excellency and beauty that he putteth on her and still he loveth his owne in Christ for his owne rare workmanship not that the creature was cause or begetter of that love and he crowneth his own gifts not our merits saith Augustine his owne worke not our worke for we are meere vessels to containe grace as grace and meere patients in this love and so he loveth Christs imputed righteousnesse in us and this righteousnesse imputed is not simply eternall but hath its rise in time If then Antinomians say we make our time-holinesse a cause and condition of eternall love they must remove this objection themselves for imputed righteousnesse which they make the cause of eternall love will stand against them more then against us For wee say both imputed and inherent righteousnesse are meere conditions no causes of eternall love and that not simply but as they are protracted and continued to carry us on to glory yea imputed righteousnesse is no more a cause of eternall love being onely a thing temporary and not eternall à parte ante nor inherent righteousnesse so must all these be expounded The Lord loveth the righteous The Lord loveth truth in the inward parts he taketh pleasure in them that feare him The Lord is ravished with one of his Spouses eyes with one chaine of her necke to him she is all faire and not a spot in her All these include not onely inherent holynesse but imputed righteousnesse and both have their use in time but can never prove that our time excellencie whether imputed or inherent is the cause condition reason merit or ground of the Lords eternall immanent and unchangeable love but the fruits thereof and the condition of its continuance And that our Lord loves us with the same love of complacency that is that he driveth on his chariot paved with love in sweet fruits of free election the same way with the same delight But that when the justified person whores swearers kils the innocent denieth the Lord Jesus as did Peter and David God loveth us as much as when they beleeve pray walke in all holy conversation and that God is not a whit displeased with the Saints for these sinnes because all his displeasure or revenging justice was drowned and swallowed up in Christs sufferings is to us abominable CHAP. XX. There
it Reader then judge how farre Antinomians differ in this from Libertines And M. Saltmarsh saith the same What ever promise there is which hath any condition into it it is ours in him in Christ who was the onely conditioned and qualified person for all promises And M. Towne Saltmarsh and all Antinomians in every page of their bookes say wee are freed from the Law as an obliging rule of holy walking and under grace that is under the Gospel because the Law is a killing dead Letter and can never give life nor Sanctification But the Gospel saith hee is like the Sunne caries along with it light and life But I pray is not the Gospel without the Spirit a killing Letter aswell as the Law and can it ever quicken or sanctifie without the Spirit more then the Law Then by this Argument the beleever is tyed to nothing as an obliging rule either of beleeving or holy walking but to that which doth effectually quicken and sanctifie so neither Commandement of Law nor Gospel without the Spirit is the beleevers rule but onely the Spirit and the Spirit effectually quickening and actually sanctifying then the Spirit must onely be our rule and we must onely be obliged to be ruled and to lye under the actings of the Spirit as dead creatures When then we neither beleeve nor repent nor abstaine from whooring robbing lying because the Spirit acteth not we sinne not for sinne is against some obligation Antinomians will not say we are obliged by any Law old or new to have the actuall breathings of the Holy Ghost when we omit good and commit evill then the holy Spirit must immediatly and onely act good in us and his non-acting immediatly must be the only cause of beleevers murthering whooring lying and is there not then a Spirit in all under the Gospel working in them all good and by no working causing all the sinnes they commit And what is sinne then but an opinion And can it be our worke or any thing but Gods worke in us CHAP. LXXVIII Libertines and Antinomians take away all sense or remorse of conscience for sinne Paral. X. LIbertines said We are to be troubled in conscience for no sinne because God worketh all in the creature and nothing is beside the will of God Libertines of our time say If God will let me sinne let him see to his owne honour And upon the same ground M. Archer saith Wee are not to bee troubled for our sinnes because they come from God and we may safely say that God is and hath a hand in and is the Author of the sinnefulnesse of his people So doe other Antinomians though they speake not out 2. Upon another ground Antinomians bury all conscience of beleevers sins 1. Because their sins are no sins being remitted before they be committed 2. Because say they it is against Faith and from unbeliefe the flesh and want of mortification to be moved or touched in conscience with sinne as I often have proved CHAP. LXXIX Libertines and Antinomians Parallel beleevers with Christ incarnate Paral. XI AS David Georgius and his cursed followers so Libertines said Christ in us dwelling was God manifested in the flesh or Christ is but a patterne type a representation or figure of patient suffering and of these vertues required in these that are to be saved So the Author of the Bright Starre makes Christ-man the patterne in the mount that in worship and conversation wee must follow And when this Author and Theologia Germanica take away God from us and say there is nothing in the creature but God they doe worse then Libertines Yea they fancie Christ incarnate to be a divine and holy man and so evert a principall Pillar of our faith that is that wee beleeve in the Sonne of God Christ-God made manifest in the flesh And the N. England Libertines teach That Christ is incarnate in every beleever So the English Antinomian saith I have nothing to doe with your Moses or the Law I am Christed and Goded And a late giddy phranticke Pamphlet which I should not honour to cite saith A man in Christ is baptized into a living active God and a dead passive creature And though Antinomians as yet seeme to grant that the Sonne of God was incarnate yet we know not how long for they equall a beleever most proudly with Christ making both his person and all his actions though Adultery Roberie Lying as cleane from sinne as Christ or his actions or as the glorified in heaven 2. Saltmarsh saith The Gospel commands rather by patterne then by precept and by imitation rather then command They deny all obligation either by Law or Gospel to lye on us 3. Because wee are in Christ they say all our sinnes all our sufferings are so drowned up swallowed and nothinged in Christ that we are neither to feare or be touched with the sense of either sinne or affliction and that the beleever is to remaine in Christ alwaies rejoycing triumphing being in heaven already and sorrow and sighing for evermore being banished away CHAP. LXXX To follow sense as a Law is our rule say Libertines and Antinomians Paral. XII LIbertines taught That any calling was lawfull and to follow callings was to follow their naturall inclination and to live as they pleased Quintinus the Libertine to one that asked how hee was in health said in wrath Can it be ill with Christ When hee was present at a solemne Masse with a Cardinall he said Hee saw the glory of God from this ground that Christians cannot sinne that their inclination and nature is their guide which they called the Spirit and they are loosed from all Law therefore with David Georgius they said A marriage-covenant tyed Christians no longer then the naturall temper and disposition of husband and wife would carry them on to agree to live together when inclinations of Christians did thwart they were free to marry another And so said they of goods that they might robbe and spoile calling inclination a calling as if it were their calling to robbe and oppresse So the same doe Antinomians teach in their beastly distinction in which Towne Eaton Denne and Saltmarsh say Beleevers are as cleane from sinne before God and as they live by faith as Jesus Christ himselfe but to men-ward declaratively and as they live by sense or seemingly as Saltmarsh meaneth or according to the flesh as Towne saith now the flesh is the Asse The beleevers sinne and may whoore kill but this following of the sense and the flesh is nothing but the Libertines following of his naturall inclination or calling Now the beleevers Adultery to Saltmarsh is but seeming Adultery then it is not in deed and before God Adultery and he followeth his sense and naturall inclination as the Libertine said in putting away his wife
stand before the Lord against such of the Kingdome of England for many generations who ingaged their faithfull and well-minded brethren in a blinde cause to establish abominable Liberty of conscience Familisme Antinomianisme Socinianisme Prelacy Popery c. And the righteous Judge of the world knowes wee never intended any such thing but we might have beleeved the words of King Charles who told us they minded not Religion in that war But now when we are wasted ruined dispeopled we are not only forsaken by these whose safety peace religion and happinesse we minded with losse of our owne lives I with many others dare appeale to the Sovereigne Judge of all the earth in the sincerity of our hearts but almost utterly destroyed yet divers of the Sectaries professe they had rather fight against the Scots as against Turkes O Earth cover not our blood arise O Judge of the world and plead the cause of the oppressed let all the Nations about and the Reformed Churches and all the generations not yet born bear witnesse to this oppression and violence For if such as did sweare the Covenant which was the only thing that engaged us had said ingenuously at that time we sweare to endeavour the extirpation of Popery Prelacie Superstition Heresie Schisme Prophanenes and whatsoever shall be found to be contrary to sound doctrine lest we partake in other mens sinne But in the mean time wee purpose to plead print write preach and in our places endeavour both in Parliament and out of it in the Assembly and out of it in our Ministery and Christian walking for toleration and brotherly forbearance of Popery Prelacie Superstition Heresie seperation and gathering of Churches out of true Churches judging the Presbyterians of Scotland whom by the oath of God they are to defend the Schismatickes and indulgence by Law and otherwise to be yeelded to Papists Arminians Socinians Arrians Familists Antinomians Seekers Antiscripturists Enthusiasts c. but none to Presbyterians at all we should have blessed your right down ingenuity yet have our Brethren really so sworne and so practised But saith Burton the Scots are the vilest of men p. 17. partakers with murtherers with rebels with Traitors Incendiaries underminers of Parliament and City c. Words of butter and oil soft and sweet would sooner convince us and arguments of iron and brasse that are strong hard invincible should more edifie and perswade The truth is fire but not passion Burton speakes fire not alwayes truth These are not the words of such as warre under the banner and colours of love and fight the battells of the Lambe Passion is a paper-wall to a weake cause your Brethren stood once in your bookes for talents and pounds but now for halfpennies consider where the change is we was at that time the same you call Presbyterians now and professed the same to you Deare brethren be humble and lowly to your old friends bee not perjured for ill will to us we shall mourne to God for that wicked revenge the Covenant will pursue you and God in it dally not with God they shall all be broken and splitted upon the Covenant of God who labour to destroy it Now when you have the sword the purse the Army the Parliament for you insult not over your brethren Quem dies vidit veniens superbum Hunc dies vidit fugiens jacentem summisque negatum stare diu He was but an Atheist and a mis-interpreter of providence who said Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni Successe in an evill cause is not happinesse beleeve it Heresie when shee is heire to her mistresse is a burden that the earth trembles under yee know Heresies goeth with broad Peacocke wings through the Land and takes in Townes and Castles but they had good helpe from Presbyterians their Antichristian brethren as they like to call them Sects are courted multitudes take hold of the skirt of a sectary now adayes But the Court is paved with glasse and to you all the faithfull Ministers of Christ are but Antichrists Priests The white golden breathings of successe may blow you asleepe but cannot secure you your Brethren have beene low in Scotland for your cause I shall be satisfied without recrimination The Scots are not the vilest of men they are not partakers with murtherers but I shall onely answer that I judge that in England the Lord hath many names and a faire company that shall stand at the side of Christ as his conquesse in the day when he shall render up the Kingdome to the Father and that in that renowned Nation there be men of all rankes wise valourous generous noble heroick faithfull religious gracious learned And I hope to reap more peace in naming England from the choisest part then M. Burton can find comfort in his passion in denominating the Scots or their Army from the worst and vilest part not to deny but there be too much wickednesse and prophanenesse in both the Nation and Army yet shall I desire all the Sects whom M. Burton and his brethren would have tolerated to look at their brethren as men compassed with infirmities and let these of such as thus accuse them that are without sin cast the first stone at them which were a good way to try if Antinomians would not arise and stone to death so many as they were able to master alleadging God cannot see such violence and bloodshed to be sinne in them also we professe to be orthodox and a strong Presbyterian is but a poore old rotten Coach to carry men to heaven there is more required of these who shall be heires of salvation but this cannot justly impeach the Presbyterian way of Antichristianisme And wherein is the Generall Assembly of Scotland Papall and set up above Kings and Kesars and may bring Presbyterians under a premunire Had M. Burton any arguments to make out this sad charge against his brethren but the stollen and reprinted not reasons but railings of Prelates and Oxford opposers of Reformation and particularly out of a lying Treatise called Issachers burden the father of which was the excommunicated Apostate Jo. Maxwel sometimes pretended Bishop of Rosse for M. Burton hath nothing in this passionate Treatise of his own but is an Echo in grammer and matter to Whitegift Bancroft to lying Spotswood to the flattering time-serving Balaams who to gratifie King James and Bishop Laud and these of the Prelaticall gang objected the same with more nerves and blood against the Scottish-Geneva discipline then M. Burton does That booke of discipline was the Prelates eye-sore and Mr. Burton must bring the weapons of his indignation out of the Armory of Babylon against Presbyterians I love not to compare men with men only good Reader pardon me to name that Apostolicke heavenly and Propheticall man of God Mr. John Welch a Pastor of our Church who for this same very cause was first condemned to death and then the mercy of King James changed the sentence to him