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A88107	The nevv quere, and determination upon it, by Mr. Saltmarsh lately published, to retard the establishment of the Presbyteriall government, examined, and shewed to be unseasonable, unsound, and opposite to the principles of true religion, and state. Whereunto is annexed a censure of what he hath produced to the same purpose, in his other, and later booke, which he calleth The opening of Master Prinnes Vindication. And an apologeticall narrative of the late petition of the Common Councell and ministers of London to the Honourable Houses of Parliament, with a justification of them from the calumny of the weekly pamphleters. / By John Ley, one of the Assembly of Divines at Westminster.	Ley, John, 1583-1662.	1645 (1645)	Wing L1885; Thomason E311_24; ESTC R200462	96,520	124

of power to let into the Church by the Sacrament of Baptisme as indeed it is and whom to admit to and whom to keep back from participation of the Sacrament of the Lords Supper it is a degree of power farre above both whom to ordaine to or whom to debarre from the order of Presbyters for 1. Whatsoever power or authoritie a Presbyter may claime by the word of God is virtually included in his Ordination 2. They that have power to ordaine a Presbyter have power upon just cause to silence and suspend the execution of that power and to stop his mouth Tit. 1.11 if it be opened to broach heresie or blasphemie or if his conversation be vitious and scandalous 3. The Covenant for the generall heads of it comprehendeth a perfect enumeration of the maine parts of the desired reformation under the titles of Doctrine Worship Discipline and Government but Ordination is not to be referred to Doctrine or Worship but to Discipline or Government for the ordaining of Governours and the exercise of Government properly appertaine to the same Topick or Classis 4. Though Government and Worship be distinguished betwixt themselves yet both agree in this that their generall grounds and rules are found in the word of God and in that respect the one may be set forth in the Civill Sanction with a relish of and reference to a religious constitution as well as the other But in case they will not be pleased to expresse any Divine right in any part of the Government in their Civill Sanction and will in a Parliamentary and Legislative way establish that thing which really and in it selfe is agreeable to the Word of God though they doe not declare it to be the will of Iesus Christ as is noted before out of the learned Commissioner of Scotland his * Sect. 8. p. 25. Brotherly examination and he hath the like in his * p. 32. Nihil Respondes we must be satisfied * p. 22. SECT XX. An Appendix to the precedent examination being an Apologeticall Narrative of the Petitions of the Common Councell of the Citie and Ministers of London presented to both the Honourable Houses of Parliament the 19th and 20th dayes of Novem. 1645. with a Vindication of them and the proceedings in them from the scandalous aspersions of the weekely Pamphleters especially of him who miscals himself by the name of the Moderate Intelligencer BVt howsoever the hope of union hath gon on hitherto since the Petitions of the Common Councell and of the Ministers of the Citie were presented to the Parliament there is great likelyhood of a dangerous breach betwixt the Parliament and them which will not easily be cemented up to perfect accord So haply may some conceive who know no more of the matter then they are told by the Moderate Intelligencer or by his Plagiatie the writer of the continuation of especiall and remarkable Passages who repeats his lying and scandalous Relation word for word in these termes This day the Common Councell did present a Petition to the Commons House of Parliament by divers Aldermen and others of that Councell which seemed to complaine or take ill the proceedings of the Parliament with the Assembly in the late businesse past concerning the election of Elders c. The Commons sate long about the businesse and laid it much to heart that any such thing should come from the Citie and that they should lend an eare to any that should in so evill a way represent things unto them and of what dangerous consequence it was and gave them an answer to this effect That they did perceive that they had beene informed and that they could not but lay it much to heart that they who had ever beene so ready to doe all good offices for the Kingdome and goe with the Parliament should from any but the Parliament take a representation of their proceedings and intreated them that herealter they would take satisfaction from themselves It s true they did beleeve they meant well and had a good meaning and intention in it but they were abused They had no sooner given answer to this but there came another from the Clergy to the same effect which was more sad then the former for they conceived this latter was an appeale from the Houses to the people and of as dangerous a consequence as could be imagined and that it deserved a high censure and withall they resolved if that was the way intended they would goe on with their Declaration and quickly undeceive the people and in the interim they referred it to the Committee of examinations that the first contrivers and after fomenters of this businesse may be dealt with according to merit This is a parcell of their weekly report but principally his who miscals himselfe the Moderate Intelligencer for he is neither Intelligent writing what he understands not nor Moderate being passionately addicted to a partie to flatter either out of an erroneous sancie fondly set upon irregular novelties in opinion and practice or out of a covetous affection to the wages of iniquitie the reward of flatterie or slander as the bad cause whereto he hath engaged his Pen hath need to be served with the one or the other and in the latter he hath shewed himselfe this last weeke a very 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that 's the word in the Originall for a false accuser 2 Tim. 3.3 a false accuser of the brethren Revel 12.10 not of brethren in evill as Simeon and Levi Gen. 49.5 but in good in most sincere and zealous desires and endeavours to be serviceable to the Parliament in prosecution of the great Cause that is in hand the through reformation of Church and State Among whom there are many who taken single by themselves might in good manners have been entertained with termes which savour more of reverence then of contempt but this three-farthing News-monger takes upon him as if he had beene authorised by the Parliament to involve all the venerable Magistrates and prime men of power and trust in this Honourable Citie and a very great number of the most learned laborious and consciencious Ministers of the Province of London in an unfaithfull and undutifull association against the Parliament for their joynt petitioning to the Parliament And where lyeth the crime that may make them lyable to so loud a clamour was it for petitioning in generall or for their petitioning in particular If we consult with his scandalous paper we shall find that he layeth an heavie charge upon both First for the generall in the precedent page he ushereth it in with an egregious calumny in these words * p. 203 Now let us come home and looke about us and see if while our Army is labouring to subdue the enemy and end strife there is not new beginning by those that Fame saith have beene the causes of all the strife we did intreat them the last weeke they would let the Parliament alone and waite

enough knowne fearing that if once it were there placed they should never get it into their hands againe cryed it downe and were a stop in the way of the intended worke Answer Who these some were is not knowne enough I thinke not at all for it is like that a party a smaller party for so must that be which is a contra-distinct to the Honourable Parliament should oppose and overbeare the greater part resolutions being made by plurality of Votes It is much more probable to say no more that some and but some would have set up an Interimisticall Magistracie and that the Honourable Parliament cryed it downe and were a stop in the way of the intended worke my reason is 1. Because they never made Ordinance or Order for that Interimisticall Magistracie 2. Because they have done both for the Presbyteriall Government 3. Because an * Interim Germania decestabibis farrago Bez. respons ad Baldwin p. 49. See Bucolz Ind. Chron. p. 562. ad an 1548. Epist Brentii Calvine p. 77. Interimisticall Temperament hath beene alwaies by the godly and orthodoxe party attended with jealousie and feare and hath beene by them as much hated as feared 4. Because that Interimisticall Magistracie that was projected was too like Prelacie to be liked by such as desired a thorow Reformation and that in three things especially 1. In that it had no warrant in the word of God 2. That it would shrinke up the power into a few hands which should be communicated to many as the Prelacie did 3. In that it was contrary to the example of all the truly reformed Churches in the Christian world SECT XVI The Objection of eager contestation for Church Discipline and Censures answered HAving done with Mr. Colemans Interim which came in as a parenthesis to the Discourse we were in though it be pertinent to it I returne to Mr. Saltm his exception taken out of Mr. Prinnes Vindication where he aggravates the matter against the Presbyterie in that though by the sufficiencie of other Remedies it be needlesse so it hath beene said and thereto we have replied it is yet very eagerly contended for The Answer is if he meant it concerning admission to or rejection from the Sacrament of the Lords Supper which is that which hath beene most agitated betwixt him and some of our Tribe the contestation on the Ministers part is but for the libertie of their conscience the puritie of Gods Ordinance the preventing of Scandall which causeth and confirmeth Schisme and in such cases it becomes them not to be remisse or to manage such a Cause with a Laodicean luke warmenesse but with servencie of spirit and yet I doubt not but their zeale therein for the chiefest of them is and will be guided with knowledge and both tempered with humility modesty and meeknesse of spirit And that it hath none affinitie with an affectation of power or liberty to reject men from the Sacrament at their pleasure I beleeve because I am confident it is the mind of most of those Ministers who are competently qualified with knowledge and grace for their holy function that it is matter of great griefe of heart unto them to have any occasion of sending any of their Congregations sad from the Sacrament or as it may be likely to prove in most cases with wrath and heart-burning against themselves For my part I ever tooke it for one of the great aggrievances which many godly Ministers who were conformists in the gesture of receiving the Lords Supper suffered under the domination of the Bishops that they put it upon them to put such from the Sacrament as out of scruple of conscience durst not kneele at the receit of it and that such were threatned with suspension and some actually suspended from the Ministery as admitted Communicants either standing or sitting though never so well instructed and well affected in matter of Religion and never so religious in life and conversation and if I might make mine owne choice I had rather submit my selfe to the meanest man within my Pastorall charge in the most servile offices belonging to his person for a weeke together then for one time onely returne him from the Lords Table as unworthy to be admitted to partake of the provision thereof or as Coenam proximo die dominico sinnus celebraturi Hinc cogita quibus angustiis nunc constringar utinon me absente posset celebrari bac conditione ut ad vos usque vel manibus reptarem Calvin Epist Farello data Calend. Septemb. 1546. Ep. p. 64. in fol. excus Genev. anno 1575. Calvin once said on the like occasion I had rather absent my selfe from the Sacrament for that turne when there is cause to turne any from the Sacrament though I went away somewhither upon mine hands then to make any distinguishing disturbance in the celebration of the Supper And if I know mine owne heart in this point I thinke it would be as great a trouble to me to be an agent as to any man to be a patient in such a repulse and as great a joy if any were able to cleare it unto my conscience that no part of that Government ought to be committed to my charge which I ever apprehended as a burden and that an heavy one rather then a priviledge Secondly for the hope that he hath that the Parliament will consider of and take care that our Ministers like the Bishops formerly may not be taken up too much with ruling and governing Answer I hope so too and I have more then hope also for I am well assured the Parliament is so wise that their Reformation will have so much of the spirit of sound judgement so little of pangs of excessive antipathy that they will not runne so farre from one extreme as to arrive at the other There is a golden medium betwixt so much as the Bishops had and none at all as some would now have it Thirdly for the Reason of that hope it is because preaching and instructing is worke enough wholly to engrosse their time and thoughts Answer Yet not so wholly but that there may be a competent time allowed for assistance in Discipline there have beene many Disciplinarians who have beene frequent Preachers and great Writers also as Calviu Beza Moulin and divers others and there are many Divines at this present who bestow many howres daily at the debates and other businesse of the Assembly at Westminster and yet are not wanting to their Pulpits on the Sabbath and who preach many times on the weeke dayes besides and in modesty to omit the account of mine owne time studies and taskes for above fourtie yeares together and I beleeve divers of my Brethren have much to say for themselves to the same purpose I shall instance onely in the great abilities and diligence of my very learned and religious friend and Brother Dr. Hoyle who had occasion by way of Apologie to plead for himselfe before his Rejoynder to the lesuite

delivered the next morning And for the Honourable Court of Common Councell of the Citie though their prudence integritie dignitie good affection and fidelitie to the Parliament have no need nor doe desire any defence of so meane or feeble an hand as mine is I hope it will not be either offensive or ungratefull to them if having had often conference as well as other of my Brethren with their Committee and being sent with some of them in the name of the Ministers of London to the Honourable Court of Common Councell on Tuesday November 18. where the Citie Petition was publiquely read and ratified by common consent I make report of some passages wherein they and we are joyntly concerned as followeth There being a Committee of Common Councell chosen by that Councell to consult with a Committee of Divines and to consider of our common engagements in the Presbyteriall Government for some of them with some of us were already chosen to be Provinciall Tryers of Elders and the same and many others of the Citizens were like to be chosen for Parochiall Elders we saw not how we could be divided in difficulties if the Directions were not cleared nor in hazards if we were not sufficiently authorised to carry on the service who were in part already and yet were further to be united in that great and to this Kingdome altogether new undertaking at our Committees we observed nothing in those worthy Citizens of the Committee nor in those who were partly permitted and partly requested to be present at our meetings but what was sutable to piety prudence and to affectionate and dutifull observance of the Parliament and it was our joy as it may be their glory that we found so many men of excellent parts and spirits so well composed and balanced without any propension to be swayed any way further then the light of truth and dictate of conscience did dispose them and yet so farre from over-weening wit or selfe-conceited wilfulnesse that while we debated difficulties with them we saw that of Solomon verified in them Give instruction to a wise man and he will be yet wiser teach a just man and he will increase in learning Prov. 9.9 And though they were pleased to entertaine us with much honour and favour we neither tooke upon us to be their guides in the carriage of this Cause nor to perswade them to any thing but what would be the result of their owne judgements and consciences upon a due consideration of the matters before them nor did we know untill Tuesday night the next night before the morning of their going to Westminster that they would petition nor when that was resolved on did any of us know or see that Petitionary draught or so much as a line of it which they presented to the Parliament onely when my selfe with some of my Brethren were sent from the Divines of London then Assembled at Sion Colledge to know their minds how farro they would appeare in the proposall of requests and reasons or what part they would assigne or leave to us who were resolved to make an humble addresse by our selves to the Parliament if they would not being called into the Court of Common Councell we received from the mouth of the Right Honourable the Lord Maior that now is some generall words of gracious acceptance of what we had done and of their concurrence with us for the establishment of Church Government but withall not knowing their purpose in particular we were left to our owne resolutions to present our desires to the Parliament as we conceived to be most convenient for us In all this what was there which might imply any digression from dutie or any diversion from their or our due respect unto the Honourable Houses Object But they tooke the representation of the Parliaments proceedings not from the Parliament as they desired but from others viz. the Ministers The quite contrary is true The Ministers received the representation of the Parliaments proceedings from the Lord Maior and both Citizens and Ministers being in a concurrent condition for scruples and dangers tendred their Petitions and Reasons unto them for satisfaction from them wherein there was as faire and ingenuous dealing as could be desired for the Ministers tendred nothing to the Committee or Common Councell but what they were willing should be read heard and examined and discussed by any of what mind or affection so ever nor could that possibly be carried in a private way which came under the consideration of the Committee so many times and afterward was committed for probation and tryall of the whole Common Councell and as openly and plainly to the Ministers dealt with the Citie so did both the Citie and Ministery with the Parliament presenting the same Schedule of Reasons annexed to each of their Petitions to their view and censure which patterne of plaine dealing I commend to the imitation of some of our Independent Brethren that their waies may not be such Ridles even to those who are no lesse wise but more innocent then they that they cannot tell where they have beene working no more then of the Moles of the earth untill they see the heapes they have cast up and they glide away so slily in their pace as if they meant to give occasion for a fifth particular to be added to Solomons Proverbe There be three things too wonderfull for me yea foure which I know not the way of an Eagle in the ayre the way of a Serpent upon a rocke the way of a Ship in the midst of the sea and the way of a Man with a maid Prov. 30. 18 19. To these as a marginall note though not as a part of the Text we may adde and the way of some Independents in their plots SECT XXIII A Copy of the Ministers Petition and the Intelligencers slanderous censure of it HAving done with the Cities Petition which he makes the Simeon he brings in the Petition of the Ministers as the Levi or its Brother in ●vill in this sort But there came another Petition from the Clergy to the same effect which was more sad then the former for they conceived this latter was an appeale to the people and of as dangerous a consequence as could be imagined and that it deserved an high consure and withall they resolved if that was the way intended they would goe on with their Declaration and quickly undeceive the people and in the Interim they referred it to the Committee of Examinations that the first contrivers and after f●●●●tors of the businesse may be dealt withall according to merit For answer unto this it might be sufficient if I had to doe with one that were indeed and not in name onely a Moderate Intelligencer to set downe the Petition in Terminis as it was presented to both Houses of Parliament but laying that as a ground-worke it will be meet to build on to a full confutation To the Right Honourable the Lords and Commons Assembled