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A74671 The bar, against free admission to the Lords Supper, fixed. Or, An answer to Mr. Humphrey his Rejoynder, or, reply. By Roger Drake minister of Peters Cheap, London. R. D. (Roger Drake), 1608-1669. 1656 (1656) Wing D2128; Thomason E1593_1; ESTC R208860 271,720 506

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his_o admission_n suppose_v he_o be_v admit_v to_o receive_v be_v a_o solid_a ground_n for_o his_o free_a admission_n for_o full_a satisfaction_n in_o this_o particular_a let_v the_o reader_n consult_v mr._n collins_n his_o responsoria_n bipartita_fw-la cap._n 13._o where_o he_o make_v it_o out_o by_o authentic_a testimony_n that_o suspension_n as_o distinct_a from_o absolute_a excommunication_n have_v be_v the_o constant_a judgement_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o servant_n and_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o all_o age_n cap._n 14._o mr._n collins_n take_v pain_n to_o good_a purpose_n to_o clear_v from_o the_o writing_n of_o the_o ancient_n the_o several_a degree_n of_o person_n not_o excommunicate_v yet_o suspend_v from_o the_o lord_n supper_n and_o for_o those_o of_o the_o congregationall_a way_n that_o they_o be_v no_o enemy_n to_o suspension_n as_o distinct_a from_o the_o great_a excommunication_n read_v what_o mr._n collins_n note_v in_o his_o 13_o chapter_n pag._n 153._o of_o his_o responsoria_n or_o vindiciae_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o these_o word_n for_o our_o dissent_v brethren_n it_o be_v their_o practice_n when_o once_o they_o have_v admonish_v a_o offendor_n to_o suspend_v he_o from_o the_o sacrament_n till_o he_o repent_v or_o be_v whole_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n at_o this_o time_n in_o this_o city_n be_v one_o who_o have_v be_v suspend_v these_o twelve_o month_n if_o he_o be_v not_o late_o restore_v nor_o excommunicate_v page_n 91._o and_o 92._o mr._n humphrey_n allow_v public_a church-tryall_n upon_o conviction_n and_o private_a trial_n upon_o charitable_a suspicion_n as_o job_n 1._o 5._o this_o ingenious_a acknowledgement_n i_o shall_v with_o mr._n humphrey_n his_o leave_n improve_v for_o his_o conviction_n and_o 1._o if_o the_o instance_n of_o job_n be_v sufficient_a to_o warrant_v private_a judgement_n why_o may_v not_o the_o instance_n of_o the_o suspect_a woman_n numb_a 5._o warrant_v public_a church-tryall_n upon_o suspicion_n 2_o lie_n if_o governor_n of_o family_n may_v private_o try_v child_n and_o servant_n under_o their_o charge_n and_o improve_v their_o authority_n to_o keep_v from_o the_o sacrament_n such_o child_n or_o servant_n in_o case_n they_o be_v ignorant_a or_o scandalous_a why_o may_v not_o church-officer_n who_o be_v steward_n of_o god_n house_n do_v the_o like_a to_o those_o who_o be_v under_o their_o charge_n as_o parent_n etc._n etc._n may_v to_o those_o under_o their_o charge_n 3_o lie_n how_o be_v jeremith_n set_v as_o a_o watch-tower_n among_o god_n people_n to_o try_v their_o way_n jer._n 6._o 27._o how_o be_v timothy_n send_v upon_o suspicion_n to_o know_v the_o faith_n of_o the_o thessalonian_o 1_o thess_n 3._o 5_o why_o be_v ephesus_n commend_v for_o try_v the_o false_a apostle_n rev._n 2._o 2_o why_o must_v deacon_n be_v try_v and_o that_o upon_o charitable_a suspicion_n 1_o tim._n 3._o 10_o if_o it_o be_v object_v the_o neglect_n of_o their_o trial_n be_v more_o dangerous_a answ_n true_o therefore_o more_o care_n must_v be_v have_v in_o their_o trial_n but_o magis_fw-la et_fw-la minus_fw-la non_fw-la variant_n speciem_fw-la nor_o do_v their_o trial_n exclude_v the_o trial_n of_o private_a christian_n which_o if_o neglect_v may_v prove_v as_o dangerous_a to_o the_o church_n as_o the_o neglect_n of_o try_v public_a church-member_n if_o the_o multitude_n of_o private_a christian_n be_v compare_v with_o the_o paucity_n of_o church_n officer_n nor_o can_v the_o trial_n of_o all_o of_o its_o own_o nature_n prejudice_n any_o but_o be_v very_o conducible_a to_o the_o edification_n of_o ruler_n &_o people_n page_n 92._o mr._n humphrey_n a_o judgement_n of_o probability_n as_o to_o fitness_n and_o unfitnesse_n may_v be_v solid_a as_o to_o advice_n and_o counsel_n but_o not_o as_o to_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o admission_n and_o suspension_n ans_fw-fr 1._o then_o by_o mr._n humphrey_n his_o own_o grant_n church-tryall_n of_o every_o church-member_n be_v warrantable_a in_o order_n to_o advice_n and_o counsel_n if_o so_o why_o do_v not_o mr._n humphrey_n persuade_v the_o people_n to_o submit_v to_o such_o trial_n which_o we_o be_v very_o persuade_v will_v soon_o put_v a_o end_n to_o the_o controversy_n mr._n humphrey_n can_v be_v ignorant_a that_o too_o many_o will_v not_o admit_v trial_n upon_o any_o term_n 2_o lie_n what_o if_o upon_o trial_n in_o order_n to_o advice_n and_o counsel_n the_o party_n try_v be_v find_v gross_o ignorant_a or_o scandalous_a be_v he_o not_o ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la upon_o such_o discovery_n make_v by_o trial_n visible_o unworthy_a above_o suspicion_n and_o must_v the_o church_n notwithstanding_o this_o apparent_a unworthynesse_n admit_v such_o a_o one_o yet_o even_o here_o our_o ordinary_a course_n be_v rather_o to_o advise_v and_o counsel_n then_o to_o suspend_v and_o if_o upon_o scandal_n prove_v they_o testify_v their_o repentance_n we_o dare_v not_o refuse_v they_o or_o if_o upon_o conviction_n of_o gross_a ignorance_n they_o desire_v to_o be_v further_o instruct_v we_o doubt_v not_o through_o god_n mercy_n in_o a_o month_n or_o two_o to_o instill_v so_o much_o knowledge_n as_o may_v stand_v with_o truth_n of_o grace_n and_o so_o make_v they_o visible_o worthy_a leave_v the_o secret_n of_o the_o heart_n to_o god_n judgement_n alone_o unless_o hypocrisy_n break_v out_o visible_o afterward_o what_o he_o add_v page_n 92._o and_o 93._o either_o it_o have_v be_v already_o answer_v or_o make_v not_o against_o we_o since_o suspension_n be_v no_o prejudice_n to_o the_o firmness_n of_o excommunication_n but_o either_o a_o degree_n of_o it_o if_o juridical_o pass_v a_o preparative_n to_o it_o or_o a_o charitable_a prevention_n of_o it_o by_o bring_v a_o person_n to_o himself_o and_o his_o duty_n and_o happy_a that_o church_n who_o by_o such_o a_o incision_n can_v for_o ever_o forestall_v excision_n we_o think_v as_o well_o as_o mr._n humphrey_n it_o be_v a_o wretched_a interpretation_n to_o say_v the_o church_n can_v not_o bear_v evil_a person_n only_o at_o the_o sacrament_n but_o it_o be_v a_o good_a interpretation_n to_o say_v she_o can_v bear_v they_o at_o the_o sacrament_n though_o not_o only_o there_o for_o after_o suspension_n the_o church_n have_v patience_n to_o see_v if_o that_o will_v amend_v the_o offender_n if_o not_o she_o may_v proceed_v to_o excommunication_n so_o that_o his_o censure_n of_o i_o page_n 63._o he_o build_v partly_o upon_o his_o own_o misreport_n of_o my_o word_n both_o as_o to_o the_o matter_n and_o manner_n of_o expression_n partly_o upon_o his_o own_o mistake_n who_o make_v sacramental_a trial_n as_o we_o hold_v it_o forth_o the_o cause_n of_o diverse_a miserable_a effect_n of_o which_o it_o be_v only_o the_o occasion_n but_o the_o proper_a cause_n be_v the_o ignorance_n or_o pride_n of_o too_o many_o not_o only_o refuser_n but_o even_o tryer_n and_o judge_n mr._n humphrey_n there_o can_v be_v express_v more_o bitterness_n to_o a_o fellow-minister_n etc._n etc._n if_o he_o will_v know_v it_o than_o to_o number_v i_o in_o the_o company_n of_o korah_n sanballat_n and_o tobiah_n ans_fw-fr how_o unjust_o mr._n humphrey_n load_v i_o with_o bitter_a censoriousnesse_n the_o reader_n will_v easy_o judge_v if_o he_o please_v but_o to_o peruse_v my_o text_n page_n 66._o my_o word_n be_v these_o he_o take_v no_o notice_n how_o many_o be_v admit_v etc._n etc._n who_o bless_v god_n for_o the_o care_n our_o builder_n take_v in_o purge_v and_o repair_v god_n house_n and_o the_o new_a jerusalem_n how_o ever_o oppose_v and_o discourage_v by_o sanballat_n tobiah_n and_o other_o samaritan_n and_o i_o wish_v too_o many_o i_o hope_v real_a jew_n do_v not_o too_o much_o correspond_v with_o they_o i_o be_o sure_a mr._n humphrey_n by_o this_o unhappy_a book_n of_o he_o have_v do_v sanballat_n and_o tobiah_n more_o service_n then_o either_o nehemiah_n or_o ezra_n the_o lord_n forgive_v he_o here_o 1._o be_v not_o one_o word_n of_o korah_n 2_o lie_n half_n a_o eye_n of_o charity_n will_v easy_o see_v that_o in_o those_o expression_n i_o look_v at_o mr._n humphrey_n as_o a_o true_a jew_n rather_o than_o a_o samaritan_n 3_o lie_n yet_o with_o grief_n i_o declare_v my_o apprehension_n that_o by_o his_o treatise_n of_o free_a admission_n he_o have_v do_v service_n to_o samaritan_n rather_o than_o to_o true_a jew_n this_o be_v my_o judgement_n still_o not_o only_o of_o mr._n humphrey_n but_o of_o the_o godly_a under_o heaven_n who_o some_o way_n or_o other_o first_o or_o last_o by_o error_n or_o practice_n be_v too_o subservient_fw-fr to_o sanballat_n 1_o cor._n 3._o vers_fw-la 12_o to_o 15._o and_o herein_o i_o be_o far_o from_o except_v myself_o be_v the_o weak_a of_o ten_o thousand_o if_o mr._n humphrey_n his_o tenet_n be_v erroneous_a sure_o he_o have_v do_v sanballat_n service_n if_o his_o tenet_n be_v true_a i_o confess_v i_o have_v do_v sanballat_n service_n in_o oppose_v it_o let_v mr._n humphrey_n or_o
receiver_n nay_o be_v not_o the_o contrary_a tenet_n my_o profess_a judgement_n let_v my_o own_o word_n speak_v for_o i_o page_n 196_o of_o my_o bar_n particular_a person_n sin_v not_o in_o communicate_v with_o person_n visible_o unworthy_a but_o only_o in_o connivance_n at_o their_o visible_a unworthiness_n 2._o this_o connivance_n i_o there_o show_v consist_v either_o in_o neglect_n of_o brotherly_a admonition_n or_o if_o that_o will_v not_o do_v of_o complain_v to_o the_o church_n in_o order_n to_o their_o reformation_n or_o if_o that_o can_v be_v effect_v in_o order_n to_o their_o suspension_n and_o last_o their_o dismember_n which_o be_v m._n h._n his_o excommunication_n this_o carriage_n of_o we_o m._n h._n call_v do_v once_o best_o to_o hinder_v a_o person_n visible_o unworthy_a from_o receive_v whereas_o indeed_o by_o private_a admonition_n etc._n etc._n i_o do_v my_o best_a to_o prevent_v his_o suspension_n and_o excommunication_n and_o withal_o deliver_v my_o own_o soul_n from_o the_o guilt_n of_o sinful_a connivance_n to_o root_v up_o this_o cavil_n let_v i_o turn_v a_o little_a from_o m._n h._n to_o tender_a christian_n dear_a brethren_n will_v you_o justify_v m._n h._n in_o this_o allegation_n of_o he_o be_v it_o a_o wound_n to_o your_o conscience_n to_o admonish_v a_o offend_a brother_n and_o if_o upon_o private_a admonition_n he_o reform_v not_o to_o tell_v the_o church_n according_a to_o your_o master_n rule_n mat_n 18._o ver_fw-la 15_o 16_o 17._o object_n we_o scruple_n not_o the_o thing_n but_o the_o do_v of_o it_o in_o order_n to_o suspension_n answ_n if_o you_o scruple_n suspension_n will_v you_o therefore_o neglect_v your_o duty_n because_o of_o the_o consequence_n which_o you_o allow_v not_o when_o you_o complain_v to_o church-officer_n can_v you_o not_o tell_v they_o you_o seek_v not_o the_o suspension_n but_o the_o reformation_n or_o excommunication_n of_o the_o offend_a brother_n i_o wish_v we_o have_v more_o scrupler_n of_o suspension_n provide_v that_o in_o love_n and_o humility_n church-member_n will_v make_v conscience_n of_o the_o forementioned_a duty_n but_o this_o be_v our_o misery_n and_o one_o great_a bar_n to_o reformation_n that_o private_a christian_n make_v little_a conscience_n either_o of_o fraternal_a correption_n or_o of_o tell_v the_o church_n when_o private_a admonition_n will_v not_o do_v case_n his_o very_a word_n be_v p._n 262._o if_o they_o do_v not_o their_o best_a to_o hinder_v he_o from_o receive_v which_o yet_o be_v not_o simple_o a_o duty_n but_o only_o secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la in_o reference_n to_o the_o party_n amendment_n as_o the_o end_n and_o excommunication_n as_o the_o mean_n etc._n etc._n do_v he_o not_o here_o grant_v that_o its_o our_o duty_n secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la to_o endeavour_v to_o hinder_v a_o intelligent_a church-member_n from_o the_o sacrament_n in_o reference_n to_o excommunication_n mark_v it_o he_o say_v not_o to_o hinder_v he_o from_o receive_v by_o excommunication_n but_o in_o reference_n to_o excommunication_n and_o what_o be_v this_o i_o pray_v but_o by_o suspension_n to_o make_v way_n for_o excommunication_n a_o doctrine_n very_o agreeable_a to_o our_o principle_n in_o sundry_a case_n 3._o to_o return_v to_o my_o antagonist_n let_v the_o reader_n judge_n if_o here_o m._n h._n yield_v not_o up_o his_o cause_n by_o grant_v that_o in_o reference_n to_o excommunication_n and_o the_o party_n amendment_n it_o be_v my_o duty_n to_o do_v my_o best_a to_o hinder_v a_o person_n visible_o unworthy_a from_o receive_v hinder_v from_o the_o sacrament_n here_o can_v be_v excommunication_n in_o m._n h._n his_o sense_n since_o his_o own_o text_n tell_v we_o that_o this_o hinder_v from_o the_o sacrament_n be_v in_o reference_n to_o excommunication_n and_o so_o it_o seem_v to_o explain_v his_o doctrine_n about_o the_o suspension_n of_o person_n ipso_fw-la jure_fw-la excommunicate_a and_o though_o he_o say_v ib._n this_o hinder_v be_v in_o reference_n to_o excommunication_n as_o the_o mean_n and_o in_o reference_n to_o amendment_n as_o the_o end_n that_o will_v not_o help_v he_o since_o we_o easy_o grant_v that_o suspension_n may_v be_v yea_o sometime_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o reference_n to_o excommunication_n as_o a_o sharp_a mean_n but_o both_o must_v always_o be_v in_o reference_n to_o reformation_n as_o the_o end_n 4._o we_o renounce_v as_o well_o as_o himself_o that_o false_a ground_n thas_o unfitness_n to_o the_o sacrament_n be_v the_o formal_a cause_n of_o excommunication_n and_o judge_v it_o a_o very_a harsh_a doctrine_n gross_a ignorance_n make_v a_o man_n unfit_a for_o the_o sacrament_n which_o yet_o be_v not_o simpliciter_fw-la the_o formal_a or_o just_a cause_n of_o excommunication_n in_o the_o rigour_n whatever_o affect_v ignorance_n may_v be_v 5._o if_o it_o be_v our_o duty_n to_o exhort_v and_o in_o our_o place_n to_o prepare_v all_o our_o fellow-member_n to_o come_v worthy_o i_o know_v no_o duty_n incumbent_a to_o exhort_v any_o to_o come_v absolute_o to_o the_o lords-supper_n sure_a church-officer_n act_v not_o out_o of_o their_o place_n by_o endeavour_v to_o prepare_v church-member_n for_o the_o sacrament_n by_o previous_a trial_n counsel_n and_o exhortation_n i_o pray_v sir_n do_v not_o discourage_v church-officer_n from_o that_o which_o here_o you_o can_v but_o acknowledge_v be_v their_o duty_n i_o hope_v sir_n you_o be_v not_o of_o opinion_n that_o the_o elder_n or_o private_a christian_n must_v turn_v public_a preacher_n to_o prepare_v their_o fellow-member_n for_o receive_v that_o be_v the_o minister_n work_n it_o must_v then_o be_v do_v more_o private_o by_o christian_a converse_n in_o a_o way_n of_o trial_n counsel_n and_o exhortation_n persuade_v the_o people_n to_o this_o and_o you_o will_v be_v a_o better_a friend_n to_o reformation_n than_o by_o plead_v for_o your_o free_a admission_n 20_o i_o mean_v not_o that_o public_a preach_n be_v so_o the_o minister_n work_v as_o to_o excuse_v he_o from_o private_a converse_n with_o his_o flock_n see_v act._n 20._o 20_o mr._n h._n p._n 262._o suppose_v a_o regenerate_a man_n deserve_v to_o be_v excommunicate_a and_o i_o do_v not_o complain_v of_o he_o he_o come_v and_o receive_v in_o faith_n now_o if_o i_o must_v partake_v of_o a_o man_n receive_v unworthy_o when_o i_o shall_v endeavour_v his_o excommunication_n and_o do_v not_o than_o i_o must_v partake_v in_o this_o man_n receive_v worthy_o and_o so_o my_o not_o endeavour_v their_o excommunication_n shall_v be_v good_a in_o the_o one_o and_o sin_n in_o the_o other_o it_o be_v apparent_a therefore_o that_o this_o sin_n be_v to_o be_v single_v by_o itself_o i_o be_o never_o the_o more_o or_o the_o less_o guilty_a whether_o he_o come_v or_o not_o come_v receive_v worthy_o or_o not_o worthy_o that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o this_o be_v one_o only_o continue_a guilt_n in_o i_o that_o i_o do_v not_o my_o duty_n in_o admonish_v and_o tell_v the_o church_n of_o he_o suppose_v the_o case_n so_o that_o it_o be_v my_o duty_n grant_v mr._n h._n his_o supposition_n may_v be_v true_a what_o then_o mr._n h._n then_o by_o my_o not_o endeavour_v his_o excommunication_n i_o must_v partake_v of_o his_o receive_n worthy_o answ_n no_o such_o matter_n for_o his_o worthy_a receive_n upon_o the_o supposition_n be_v but_o accidental_a unto_o your_o neglect_n of_o duty_n and_o as_o a_o sin_n follow_v accidental_o in_o another_o upon_o my_o duty_n perform_v towards_o he_o shall_v not_o be_v impute_v to_o i_o as_o suppose_v upon_o my_o admonition_n my_o brother_n grow_v worse_o so_o a_o moral_a good_a follow_v upon_o the_o neglect_n of_o my_o duty_n shall_v not_o be_v impute_v to_o i_o who_o omit_v that_o duty_n but_o contra_fw-la the_o neglect_n of_o my_o duty_n shall_v be_v charge_v upon_o i_o god_n measure_v not_o a_o sin_n or_o duty_n by_o its_o accidental_a event_n but_o first_o by_o its_o nature_n and_o circumstance_n and_o second_o by_o its_o natural_a and_o proper_a consequent_n he_o that_o omit_v good_a that_o good_a may_v come_v thereby_o by_o good_a understand_v my_o duty_n that_o i_o be_o hic_fw-la &_o nunc_fw-la oblige_v to_o sin_n as_o well_o as_o he_o that_o do_v evil_a that_o good_a may_v come_v rom._n 3._o 8._o what_o next_o mr._n h._n and_o so_o my_o not_o endeavour_v their_o excommunication_n shall_v be_v good_a in_o the_o one_o and_o a_o sin_n in_o the_o other_o answ_n this_o be_v as_o wild_a as_o the_o former_a and_o suppose_v that_o a_o omission_n of_o duty_n be_v warrant_v by_o a_o moral_a good_a follow_v casual_o thereupon_o i_o shall_v therefore_o answer_v this_o supposition_n with_o another_o suppose_v i_o be_o dangerous_o sick_a of_o a_o fever_n the_o physician_n forbid_v i_o wine_n a_o careless_a nurse_n contrary_a to_o the_o physician_n prohibition_n upon_o my_o importunity_n let_v i_o drink_v sack_n liberal_o upon_o which_o i_o fall_v a_o sleep_n for_o divers_a hour_n