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A94338	Three speeches spoken at a common-hall, Thursday the 3. of Iuly, 1645. / By Mr. Lisle, Mr. Tate, Mr. Brown, Members of the House of Commons: containing many observations upon the Kings letters, found in his own cabinete at Nasiby fight, and sent to the Parliament by Sir Thomas Fairfax, and read at a common-hall. Published according to order.	Lisle, John, ca. 1610-1664.; Tate, Zouch, 1605 or 6-1650.; Browne, John, ca. 1581-1659.	1645 (1645)	Wing T1121; Thomason E292_29; ESTC R200154	8,274	20

you see you must stand to your Armes and defend your selves for there is no hopes for you unlesse you can submit your necks to the Queen and be transformed into Irish Rebels and Papists I know not how you can obtain any favour at Court especially having such a Mediator as you have a Parliament that is so hated by this King as long as that mediates for you you shall have nothing but if you can have a Popish Catholique Queen to sollicite in your behalf you shall have any thing I know you are too much Englishmen and Protestants to submit to such base conditions therefore lay aside all divisions and unite your selves in this Cause that you may be Masters of the Popish party that otherwise will kill you all Mr Browne his Speech MY Lord Mayor and you worthy Citizens of the City of London I shall not trouble you to repeat any of the Letters that you have heard read I doubt not but you that heard them do remember most of them only this I will say to you That for my part I know not whether we have more cause of joy or sorrow for this which this day you have heard Cause I know we have to be sorrowfull that things are so ill with us as they are and I am sure we have cause to rejoyce that things are now discovered and brought to light that have been so long hid in darknesse This day is a day of discovery heretofore those that spak those things that you have herad this day manifested unto you were accounted the Malignant partee they were termed Rebels they were suspitious jealous people without cause The Lords and Commons in Parliament they have heretofore declared their fears of the things that you see now proved Answers have been given to those fears with slights and scornes Things are this day discovered to you that were enjoyned to be kept secret by the strongest engagements the goodnesse of God giving successe to our Armie hath brought these things to light Before his Majesty departed from the Parliament the Lords and Commons by a Petition to him did present unto him their fears occasioned by the favouring of ●●●●sants their fears that he would bring in forraign Forces that he would change and alter the Laws they gave him their Reasons for all but he was pleased to give his Answer with denying all as they affirmed all For that of Forraign Forces because he gave a punctuall Answer to that I will tell you what it was When they told him that they were informed that the Popes Nuncio did deal with the French and Spanish Kings to send to him 4000. men a peece the King did Answer to them That it was improbable in it selfe and scandalous to him for which he desired reparation at their hands And at another time he Answers that very point concerning Forraign Forces positively and saith No sober nor honest man can beleeve that We are so desperate or so sencelesse they are his very words to entertain such a designe As to bring in Forraigne Forces which would not onely bury this Our Kingdome in distraction and ruine but Our owne Name and Posterity in perpetuall scorne and infamy You have heard what hath been said for that you have heard his own Letters how he deals with the Queen and how pressing he is with her to bring into this Kingdome the Duke of Lorraigne with his Army the Duke of Lorraigne you know is a Catholike Popish Forraigne Prince So you see how much he is altered from what he thought then and how his endeavours are now that both honest men and sober men may beleeve that hee would do it because he writes to her with such earnestnesse to pray her to do it for him For their fears of his making war against the Parliament of his alteration of Religion and Laws 〈◊〉 hath heretofore in his Printed Declaration expressed these words We do again in the presence of Almighty making war against the Parliament then against our own children that we will maintain and observe the Asts assented to by Vs this Parliament without violation and that we have not nor shall not have any thought of using of any force unlesse we shall be driven to it for the security of Our person and for the defence of the Religion Laws and Liberties of the Kingdome and the just Rights and Priviledges of Parliament And in another of his Printed Declarations he hath said God so deal with me and mine as my thoughts and intentions are upright for the the maintenance of the true Protes●ant Religion and for observation and preservation of the Laws of the Land And in another Declaration he saith That He is resolved not onely duely to observe the Laws himselfe but to maintain them against what opposition soever though with the hazard of his being And in his Declaration concerning his resolution to go into Ireland which is also Printed he calls God to witnesse the sincerity of his professions there made with this assurance That his Majesty will never consent upon what pretence soever to a toleration of the Popish profession there or the abolition of the Laws now in force against Popish Recusants in that Kingdome What could his Majesty have said more to satisfie his people Now compare his actions with his Declarations and compare his Letters to the Queen with his promise and protestations to the Parliament and you will say Quantum mutatus how much is his Majesty changed All that we have heard read we may divide into three parts The first concernes the Letters Propositions and transactions concerning Ireland The second the Letters from the Queen to the King The third Letters from the King to the Queene Concerning Ireland you have heard the Propositions made to the Queen for fending into this Kingdome diverse Irish Rebels under the Command of two professed Papists 6000. of them were to be under the Command of the Lord Glamorgan the Earl of Worcesters eldest son the other of 10000. under the command of Colonell Fitz Williams the terms that they were to come upon were read to you in the Propositions which themselves sent to the Queen You will not think that these came to maintain the Laws but to destroy them not to maintain the Protestant Religion but to overthrow it these Propositions being sent to the Queene and allowed by her and she sent them to the King For the Letters concerning Ireland they were written by the King to the Earl of Ormond who is now Governourthere in some of them Letters the King gives way to the suspending of Poynings Law I which was an Act of Parliament in the 10. year of Henry the 7. it was called Poynings Lavv because Sir Edvvard Poynings vvas Governour of Ireland vvhen that Lavv vvas made that Lavv made all Statutes that vvere before made in England of force in Ireland and the King may as vvell suspend all the Lavvs there as that Lavv by that Lavv of Poynings all Lavvs

that vvere after to be presented at the Parliament in Ireland must be first sent hither for approbatition before they could be presented to the Parliament there and no Parliament must be called there before the causes of calling the Parliament and the Acts to be passed in that Parliament are first sent hither and approved but that Lavv novv must be suspended Further in the Letters to the Lord of Ormond you see the King doth not count it a hard bargain for to make a Lavv in Ireland to suspend or to take avvay the penall Lavvs against Papists there so that they vvill help him here against his Protestant Subjects when this promise was made the Declaration was not remembred wherein the King doth declare that upon no pretence whatsoever he will tollerate the Popish profession in Ireland or abolish the Laws against Popish Recusants now in force there He further saith in another Letter to my Lord of Ormond that rather then he will fail of making a peace or a cessation with the Rebells he would have him ingage himselfe to joyn with the Rebels against the Scots and the Lord Inchequin which is the main visible Protestant Forces that are in Ireland all this is enjoyned to be kept secret from all but two or three of the chiefest Rebels in Ireland whom you heard named in the letters you may further observe that a peace was treated of with the Rebels about the same time that the King did Treat with the Parliament here concerning Ireland and the King wished a quick dispatch of the peace there least if hee should make a peace here first he could not shew such favours to the Irish as he intended they are the words of his letter You may see by all the letters to my Lord of Ormond that the King did little stick at any thing to grant to the Rebels for a peace with them but how little he granted to the Parliament of England at the last Treaty I hope all the world will soon know The next are the Queens Letters to the King in them you may see Her unwearied indeavours by Sea and Land to raise Forces against the Parliament to destroy it you see she marcheth in the head of an Army and calls her self the Generalissima you may see further in her Letters the great interest she hath in the Kings Counsels no Office or Place can be disposed of without her you may see by her Letters her advice concerning Peace in making Peace she adviseth the King not to abandon those that have served him for fear they forsake him in his need she expresseth whom she meaneth the Bishops and the poor Catholiques she adviseth the King for the honour of God that he trust not himself in our hands if he go to London before the Parliament is ended she tels him he is undone you may see by her Letters how active she is with the Duke of Lorraine for sending over ten thousand men you may see her advice concerning this Parliament She saith that perpetuall Parliament must be disbanded the rest she saith will follow if the King conclude a Peace without that she will into France she saith I am sure you cannot forget these Passages In the Kings Letters to the Queen you may observe these following particulars First his Apology to her for calling us a Parliament at the last Treaty it seems she was offended at it and you may see by His Letters with what difficulty he did it for he saith that if but two more had joyned with him in opinion to the contrary he would never have done it yet he hath told us he will keep all the Acts of this Parliament inviolable how these can stand together let all men judge he hath told us that he will maintain the Laws and observe them himself yet you see he lay the blood of that Kingdom that is shed in these wars upon the shedding of the innocent blood as he cals it of my Lord of Strafford yet my Lord of Strafford was condemned by himself and by the Law that he saith he will maintain You see how pressing he is to the Queen to procure aide from the Duke of Lorraine upon hopes of his coming he is very glad and saith the Prince of Orange shall help to transport his Souldiers compare this with his former Declarations concerning Forraign Forces it needs no aggravation we have all of us more cause to pray for him For his maintaining the Laws you may observe in a Letter dated in March last to the Queen there is this passage I give thee leave to promise in my name to all that thou thinkest fit that I will take away all the penall Laws against the Roman Catholiques in England as soon as God shall enable me to do it so as I may by their means have such assistance as may deserve so great a favour and enable me to do it To this promise of his he enjoynes much secresie which he had need to do being so contrary to former Declarations and Protestations If this be done he may as well alter and take away all our Laws both for property and Liberty these Laws against Papists are of as much force and binde as much as any Laws whatsoever upon all these Letters and passages together you may observe the great designe to put an end to this Parliament although it cannot be done without the consent of the Lords and Commons in Parliament and the Kings joyning with them You see another design is to take away all Laws against Recusants and that must be when the King is able to do it as he saith and that cannot be without force you see to enable himself to do these things He invites in Forraign Forces you see he deals with Papists Protestants and all to assist Him against the Parliament You see in those Letters what Priviledges and immunities are promised to Papists and nothing at all to His Protestant Subjects you see the great trust He reposeth in the Queen to make a bargain for Him although it concern Religion which is the strongest point of confidence He can expresse to Her I need not repeat the words You cannot but observe the Reward that He bestows upon them that contrary to their trust reposed in them by the Kingdom have disserted the Parliament He tels the Queen He is free from the place of base mutinous motions in His Mungrell Parliament there Let the like reward befall all such as shall betray their trust reposed in them by the Kingdom You may see whom you have cause to thank for the seizing of your goods in France you heard it read upon the score of whose kindnesse it was set Lastly you may see by the Letters if a Peace be had what a one it shall be it shall be such a one as shall invite the Queen to return The Treaty for it shall be according to the Instructions given to the Commissioners which upon the Kings word are according to the little Note the Queen so well remembers In making Peace the King assures her He will be constant in adhering to the Bishops all His friends those whom the Queen cals in her Letter the poor Roman catholiques Lastly In making Peace He will not forget to put an end to this Parliament but some will say What 's all this to us Yes it much concerns us all that we may pray for and pitty our King and to learn us to look to our selves You see by their Letters the way they hope to bring about all their designes they say it is by our divisions among our selves they say the City is divided in it self they say the Houses of Parliament are divided among themselves and they say they are divided one with another they say one part goes one way and another part goes another way I hope that which appears by these Letters will make us all go the same way for the maintenance of this Cause These Letters that ye have heard read are beyond all exceptions the Kings Letters all of His own hand and in many places Corrected by himself The Letters to the Earl of Ormond are all His own hand there are divers other Letters besides them now read which were taken at the Fight all of them together with these read are deposited into an indifferent place that any one that will may see them By what you have heard read you see the unwearied indeavors of your Enemies to destroy you they are diligent let us be vigilant in prosecuting this Cause we have undertaken that we may have a happy end of these unhappy differences do you of the City agree among your selves in the prosecuting of this Cause though you may differ in private opinion in other things I hope and pray that both Houses of Parliament m●y ever agree in the maintenance of this Cause which I doubt not but they will as they do let us all go on together hand in hand together in the maintenance of this Cause according to our Protestation we cannot do it without unity among our selves if we have division among our selves we undo our selves and hazard the Cause if we in the Parliaments Quarters agree among our selves I hope we shall be invincible I will conclude with this Sentence Si fueritis inseperabiles eritis insuperabiles if we be inseparable and undivided we shall be invincible Let us all do our duties faithfully and leave the issue to God FINIS

THREE SPEECHES Spoken at a Common-Hall Thursday the 3. of Iuly 1645. BY Mr. Lisle Mr. Tate Mr. Brown Members of the House of COMMONS Containing many Observations upon the Kings LETTERS found in His own Cabinet at Nasiby fight And sent to the Parliament by Sir Thomas Fairfax and Read at a Common-Hall Published according to Order LONDON Printed for Peter Cole at the sign of the Printing-Presse in Cornhill neer the Royall Exchange 1645. Mr. Lisle his Speech MY Lord Major and you worthy Gentlemen of the famous City of London I am commanded by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled to observe to you some Passages out of these Letters which you have heard They are Passages of that nature though it be most happy for this Kingdom and Parliament to know them yet my very heart doth bleed to repeat them The first thing that I shall observe to you is concerning the Kings endeavours to bring Forraign Forces a Forraign Prince with an Army into this Kingdom By his Letters to the Queen which you have heard read he endeavours to hasten the Duke of Lorraine with an Army into England It is well known to the Parliament that the Duke of Lorrain is a Prince highly esteemed at Rome the most complying with Jesuits of any Prince in Christendom and yet the King writes to the Queen to hasten the Duke of Lorrain to come with an Army into England The next thing that I shall observe to you are Endeavours to overthrow the Law of the Land by Power to Repeal the Laws and Stat●tes of this Realm by Force and Arms endeavours by Force and Arms to Repeal all the Statutes of this Kingdom against Papists I shall read a Passage to you which you have already heard out of one of the Kings Letters to the Queen The Letter vvas dated the Fifth of March 1644. I give thee power in my Name to promise that I will take away all the Penall Statutes in England against the Roman Catholikes as soon as God shall enable me to do it so as by their means or in their favours I may have so powerfull assistance as may deserve so great a favour When we consider that the Statutes of this Kingdom against Papists must be taken away by Force when we consider that the Laws of this Kingdom are to be Repealed by Power who cannot but when hee calls to minde the Declarations that have been made to put the Laws in execution against Papists of the Protestations that have been made and have been often made to maintain the Laws of this Kingdom who can chuse but grieve to think of it The third thing Gentlemen that I shall observe to you is concerning the use and the Ends that have been made which you may observe out of these Letters of a Treaty with the Parliament I shall read His Majesties words to you in the Letter of the Fifteenth of February 1645. a Letter to the Queen And be confident that in making peace I shall ever shew my constancy in adhering to Bishops and to all Our friends and not forget to put a short period to this perpetuall Parliament And in His Letter to the Queen of the Ninth of February 1644. there is this Passage Be confident that I will never quit Episcopacy nor the Sword We did all hope that the end of a Treaty had been to settle a happy Peace a firm and a well-grounded Peace but now we see by the Kings Letter that His Resolutions are still to keep the Sword in His own hands We did all hope that the end of a Treaty was to settle Church-government according to the Protestation the Solemn Vow and Covenant which we have all taken But you see by the Kings Letter that He avows it to the Queen that He will never quit Episcopacy We did all hope that the end of a Treaty was rather to confirm the Parliament then to dissolve it but the King sayes in His own Letter that He will not forget at this Treaty to put a short period to this perpetuall Parliament The last thing that I shall observe to you for you will have the rest observed to you by a better hand is concerning the Kings disavowing this Parliament to be the Parliament of England we cannot have any greater assurance of any thing from the King then of this present Parliament there is no Law stronger that gives any property to the Subject then the Law is to continue this present Parliament This is so well known to the world that Kingdoms States abroad acknowledge it and now for the King to disavow it after it is confirmed and continued by Act of Parliament after the King hath so lately acknowledged it now so suddenly to disavow it how can we be more confident of any assurance or Act from his Majesty There be many things more observable in these Letters but I shall leave them to those worthy Gentlemen that come after me Mr. Tate his Speech THe Letters are so full that I shall rather be your remembrancer of what you have heard in them then give you any observations upon them I shall present before you a very sad Spectacle the whole Kingdom of Ireland bleeding a Kingdom all in Peace without any thoughts of War without any thoughts of Arms and of a sudden a Popish party rising up laying hold upon all the Forts Seizing all the Lands and all the goods of the Protestants in Ireland and not content with that when they had done killing one hundred thousand of them man woman and childe These Rebels of Ireland that had thus inhumanely murthered so many Protestants here is the sadnesse Now the Favourites of the King and those Subjects that the King did professe to maintain in maintaining Arms against those Rebels we that by Acts of Parliament of the Kings own Grant had the Irish Rebels Lands and Territories granted to us to maintain a War against them Now because we maintain that War we are Rebels and Traytors and the Irish Rebels because that they stand against you they shall be freed from all penall Laws they shall have any thing that they desire nothing is too dear for them any Laws may be altered for their sakes but when the Protestants come to desire an alteration of Law for the advancement of the Protestant Religion and for the settlement of the Protestants nothing can be granted to them by a Protestant King but every thing to the Irish I shall say but a word more and pray consider of it The condition why all this is granted to the Irish and denied to you it is only this That the Irish may come over into England to cut your throats as they cut the throats of all the Irish Protestants in Ireland this is the cause for which they are encouraged to come hither if there be such a reward for Treachery if there be such a fruit of the Protestations of the King what can we expect All I have to say is