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A29830 Catholick schismatology, or, An account of schism and schismaticks in the several ages of the world : to which are prefixed some remarks on Mr. Bolde's plea for moderation / J.B. J. B. (J. Browne) 1685 (1685) Wing B5116; ESTC R37483 61,193 209

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should perish is rather than a peevish Party of Dissenters should be unsatisfied who could never yet agree in the matter of their satisfaction or in what alteration condescension or concession would satisfy them But as in Queen Elizabeths time * Dr. Ham. view of the Liturgy when to satisfy the clamours of Dissenters against the Liturgy and Ceremonies upon the impetration of the Lord Burleigh it was granted them That an alteration should be made and a Classis of their own Party was appointed on purpose But what alteration the first Classis made was reprehended by a second Classis of them as more faulty than the old Liturgy and that second was reprehended by a third Classis as most faulty of all Whereby the Queen plainly saw that their clamours for alteration was for they knew not what and that it was impossible for them to agree in what they would have altered The case is the same at this day some dissent on one account others on another some hold the whole Liturgy unlawful others inexpedient only some hold it inexpedient in some Offices others in other some stick at standing or kneeling others at nothing but the circumstances of Baptism some have accounted the Scotch Covenant the great Mountain in the way others scruple nothing but reordination Grand de●ate So that as a great Author of their own said 'T is as easy to make a Coat for the Moon as to reconcile them to one another and make them agree in what alterations they would have To what purpose then doth any Dogmatist trouble himself with Pleas and Interposals in that behalf But to return Mr. Bolde's Story of the Emperour and Senator of Rome Serious and compassionate Enquiry I will tell him one from as good an Author as Mr. Burgess of the Emperor and Senator of Capua The People were all in a rage against the Senate and would needs have them all deposed the Emperour Pacuvius Calavius shuts up the Senators all together and claps a Guard upon them and then comes to the People and tells them All was in their power now advices them to determine their several fates according to their demerits one by one this they readily hearkened to and as they pass'd a doom upon any one he approved the Sentence but before the Execution he perswades them to bethink themselves of another and a better man to be in his room since a Senate they could not be without but here the business stuck as he had foreseen it would the People who agreed unanimously against the old Senator could by no means agree who should succeed one named this man another that but whoever was named by one Party was sure to be rejected by another that in conclusion as great a pique as they had received against the old Senate for want of agreement in better men to come in their room they unanimously concluded it best to keep the old ones in Mr. Bolde left his story to the Reader to apply and so do I. 4. Mr. Bolde's Fourthly runs thus I never yet met with any argument that I can call to mind for the absolute inforcing of some particular needless ceremonies to be observed in the Church by all who live under one Civil government but what could be of the same force if it were applyed to all the Churches in the world There is as much reason I think that every Church and Congregation for the service of God throughout the world should observe the same ceremonies as that all the Congregations in one Nation should 1. I shall not here stand to enquire how far this doth in hypothesi at least violate the 27th Canon which forbids and censures all speaking against his Majesties Authority in maters Ecclesiastical or whether this doth not in the same manner clap the brand of PERJURY so far as he is able upon all Parliaments who in the Oath of Allegiance and Supremacy which they are obliged to take before they can sit in Parliament do assert the Kings Authority in matters Ecclesiastical thus That he is Supream Moderator and Governour in all causes and over all persons as well Ecclesiastical as Civil in these his Majesties Dominions and no other Whereas if the King have no more power to inforce particular Ceremonies on all who live under the same Civil Government of England than he has to enforce it on those of Germany France Spain and other Churches he is so far from being the Supream Head and Governour or having the supream power in all causes Ecclesiastical that in all such causes within these his Dominions he hath no power at all And as in the Church of England so in all other reformed Churches there is the same power among themselves and no other As the Churches of the Lutheran Confession Dure's vindiciae give the Sacrament to none but kneeling the Geneva Churches and the Protestant Churches of France give it to none but those that stand in the act of receiving and the like ceremonies there are inforced upon all that live in those Churches under one and the same Civil Government But 2. I think it sufficient answer to this to tell Mr. Bolde that there would be the same reason for every Church throughout the world to observe the same ceremonies as for all the Congregations in one Nation in case they were all injoined by the same or alike Authority 'T is true Mr. Bolde doth seem to bound and limit his aforesaid assertion with this Parenthesis if we respect only the observations and reflections that Heathens and the like will make when they see that in one and the same Nation people professing the same Religion do observe different rites as he supposeth Heathens and the like enemies of Christianity to do on the account of Christians of different Nations observing different rites Which groundless supposal is all he alledgeth to confirm and strengthen his 4th bold assertion Now to see how impertinently this is alledged 1. No Church-ceremonies are inforced or not inforced among Christians upon any such consideration or in any such regard to Heathens as his Reason doth suppose 2. Heathens and the like enemies of Christianity cannot reasonably make any such observations reflexions and exceptions on our holy faith on the account of our observing the same or different rites in Gods service as the Reason he renders doth suppose And therefore is very frivolously and impertinently render'd Mr. Bolde's Fifthly runs thus Long and often experience hath made it undeniably evident that putttng the paenal Laws rigorously in execution against humble modest conscientious Dissenters and I plead for none but such has not answered the design for which they were intended Severity says he is not a proper method for the satisfying of mens judgements or the removing of their scruples with much more to the same purpose When Vincentius seemed to argue thus in behalf of the Dissenters of St. Augustine's time St. Augustine's Answer was Nunquid ideo negligenda