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A17505	A replie vnto a certaine libell, latelie set foorth by Fa: Parsons, in the name of vnited priests, intituled, A manifestation of the great folly and bad spirit, of certaine in England, calling themselues seculer priestes VVith an addition of a table of such vncharitable words and phrases, as by him are vttered in the said treatise, aswell against our parsons, as our bookes, actions, and proceedings.	Clark, William, d. 1603.; Barneby, Francis. aut; Clarionet, William, attributed name.	1603 (1603)	STC 4321; ESTC S107159	173,407	232

whom or from whose degree such actions proceeded And I would but aske Fa Parsons because I know him to be a great statist this one question whether in his conscience he doe think there be any Prince in the world be he neuer so catholicke that should haue within his dominions a kind of people amongst whom diuers times he should discouer matters of treason and practises against his person and state whether he would permit those kind of people to liue within his dominions if he could be otherwise rid of them and whether hee would not make straight Lawes and execute them seuerely against such offenders yea and all of that company and quality rather then he would remaine in any danger of such secret practises and plots I thinke Fa Parsons will not for shame denie this especially if he remember the examples of the French religious men for the like practises expelled England generally in a Cath time and by a Cath Prince and theyr lyuings confiscate and giuen away to others The like was of the Templars both in England and Fraunce Yea to come neerer vnto him was not all their order expelled Fraunce for such matters and yet the King and state of Fraunce free from imputation of iniustice in that action If these things proceeded from Cath Princes iustly against whole Communities or orders of Religion vppon such causes wee cannot much blame our Prince and state being of a different Religion to make sharpe lawes against vs and execute the same finding no lesse occasion thereof in some of our profession then the fore-said Princes did in other religious persons whom they punished as you see But you will say that there is no reason that the innocent should be condemned for another mans fault if some one Cath or Priest were faulty in this kind all were not so how then can the actions of the state against such be iustifiable To this I aunswer that you cannot think that euery particuler French Monke was guilty of treason in that Kings dayes when all were expelled nor is it like that all the Templers were so irreligious as some of them were neither doe I think that all the Iesuits were accessarie or consenting vnto their practises in Fraunce yet all you see payd for the delict of some Princes are iealous and haue cause so to be there depending so much vpon their safety as there doth When therefore they find trecherie in any Communitie they will be sure to prouide for the worst and rather extirpate that Cōmunitie then liue in feare thereof Doth it not so happen alwayes when the Gouernours or Magistrates of a Cittie counite or concurre vnto any treason doth not the Cittie presently lose all her priuiledges and the Prince seaze vpon the same and take all into his owne hands gouernment suppressing the whole state of the Cittie for the faults of a few onely vvhat meruaile then if this hath happened in our case where there hath been such difference in religion And then iudge whether we that haue beene innocent in such practises as GOD and our conscience can witnes and yet haue felt the smart of such proceedings haue not great cause to cleere our selues to exclaime against such as will neuer leaue to irritate our Prince and state and to make known vnto her Maiestie and our state the innocencie both of vs of our ghostly children who haue beene pressed with the burden of afflictions by reason of such vndutifull attempts in some few vnrestrained persons most humbly crauing at her sacred hands some redresse for such miseries that the stroke may light where the offence hath been giuen and not henceforth vpon the necks of poore innocents If there be any offence in vs towards her Maiestie or her proceedings it is onely in matters of religion which beeing a thing not onely proceeding of mans will but by a light from God informing first the vnderstanding and then the will and therfore not to be altered or disposed as other indifferent actions or conceits may be wee hope may and will be more excusable in her gracious sight But for matters of practising against her person crowne or state that is a thing onely proceeding from a peruerse and passionate will the vnderstanding still remayning sui iuris able to discerne ad vtrum libet eyther of the cōueniencies or mischiefs of such affaires which no way can be excusable Now whereas some woorthy men are touched with such vndutifull proceedings in the afore-said Treatise you must vnderstand that thereby the persons of the men are not condemned but rather theyr facts or they onely in those facts yet worthy men in themselues And you must vnderstand that good men yea Saints haue had their errors as these proceedings in these woorthy men must be acknowledged neither may we approue such errors because the Authors of them were Saints No man approueth the defence of rebaptization in Saint Cyprian because S. Cyprian is a Martyr and yet whilst hee liued he defended the same very earnestly practised it with great contention against other Bishops Dauids fact of murthering Vrias must not be excused because he was secundum cor Dei and now a Saint no no passions and errours haue raigned in Saints whilst they were vpon the earth yea euen amongst the Apostles and disciples of Christ whilst he was with them Therefore let no man be scandalized that good men and worthy persons are condemned in some particuler facts sith no man liueth on earth without error But you will say it is commaunded in the Law non reuelabis turpitudinem patris tui the two sonnes of Noe were cursed of God for reuealing and laughing at theyr fathers nakednes therefore we should rather haue buried such defects of our worthy parents in perpetuall obliuion vnder ground then haue published them thus to the world Alas I would to God it had beene in our power to haue hid these things without the mischiefes before expressed belieue vs assuredly the world then should neuer haue had knowledge of them but it was not in our power their facts were so publique to the world better known vnto our state then to our selues But it will still be said if such men of worth and great vertue dealt in such matters why should wee so much exclaime against the Iesuits Is their fault so haynous therein aboue the others To this I aunswer that the Iesuits faults are much more as you also will confesse if you cōsider all circumstances well For first what was done by these worthy men was done almost in the first heate of change of Religion wherin both more passion might mooue and greater hopes of recouery of religion stirre them vp to such attempts Besides their hopes of sincere dealing in such as should haue concurred in those actions meerely for religion not of ambition might draw them on to follow such deuises For as then the ambitious intentions of the Spaniards were not discouered vnto them which

Romaine Colledge Neither doth the Counsell of dismissing some with these termes of wanton or lasciuious Colts seeme to proceede from the Cardinall especially if we consider that the chiefest of such as were to be dismissed whom he termeth wanton Colts were 〈◊〉 be addressed for our Country as they were How vnfitting such men were for such an excellent vocation the world may ●udge and thinke whether in conscience they could giue them faculties yea and some of them particuler fauours also for our Country This conuinceth that either there was no such speech vttered by the Cardinall or else vttered without true ground vpon partiality to the Iesuits Vnto whom it seemed he leaned too too much in that hauing another one M Monsignior oro ioyned with him as Visitor in these stirres and finding him inclined to equity and no whit partiall to the Iesuits he shaked him off taking the matter wholy into his owne hands Which might make vs to thinke that he was some-what partiall in his memoriall deliuered vp but if he were so partiall as Fa Parsons relateth it was admirable and most vniust as we haue shewed After this memoriall Fa Parsons addeth two circumstances which hee applyeth to the proceedings as well of the Scholers in Rome in those tumults as to ours heere in England First hee saith that whereas in those it was onely suspected that the heretikes common enemie had their hands as ayders or abetters to make these demaunds of remouing the Iesuits from England and the Colledge now it is openlie knowne and confessed that they are indeede the chiefe dealers and stirrers therein This is a common practise with Iesuits when any thing maketh against them then to bring in the common enemie as an actour with vs thereby to grace themselues as impugned by heretiques and disgrace their opposers as pertakers with the common enemie but it is as ridiculous a shift as common For who of wisedome or vnderstanding will thinke that the state of England cannot deliuer themselues of a handfull of Iesuits without the concurrence of a few poore secular priests or that they respect or regard such simple helps These buzzes are for fooles and children and not for men of iudgement and discretion to regard The second circumstance is that as the students in Rome sought to procure some Princes Embassadours to fauour their cause by making it matter of state so in like manner we should deale with the King of Fraunce that he may back vs. But Fa Parsons must vnderstand that wee are not so simple but that wee doe know it to be a matter of state And that point is now most euident by the vniforme banding of the Iesuits and Spaniards in this our cause The Spaniards doe openly professe themselues to be for the Iesuits as in the behalfe of their owne interest and to requite them the Iesuit doth openly professe himselfe in Rome to be for the Spaniard engaging him in the cause Whereby come all the demurres and delayes in that Court where-with our brethren are there now perplexed and driuen off from the deciding of our cause What the strength of the Spaniard can worke against them they shall be sure of Our cause therefore concerneth not onely his Maiestie of Scotland but also of Fraunce and all other Princes adioyning For if the Spaniard should preuaile against England where-vnto all these indeauours of the Iesuits tend then is not onely his Maiestie of Scotland depriued of his possibility but also the King of Fraunce and other states indangered by his mightines and neighbourhood A thing which Princes will consider say Fa Parsons what he can to the contrary An aunswer to the 7. chapter concerning fiue other of our bookes falsly termed by Fa Parsons absurd and slaunderous Libels I Remember that this father Parsons in the discouerie of Iohn Nichols saith that the fellow when he came to Rome went onely to the Brothell-houses Canalls and base and stinking corners of the Citty where he might finde most lewdest and filthiest stinkes and not to any publique places as Court Churches or the like where he might see maiesty order reuerence or deuotion c. And thus or to the like effect he writeth of him because of the venome filth and reprochfull slaunders which hee disgorged afterwards against that holy place And euen so may it be said that he himselfe this good Father in the suruey of all the bookes that haue beene writ by any of our friends hath imployed his greatest paines to auoyde all substantiall and sound matters such indeede as conuinced the vnderstanding of the Reader and to rake onely in by-corners and matters of least moment carping at sharpe and cholericke speeches deliuered in heate running vpon some such particulers as were writ vpon relation onely Where if he find any circumstance failing as cōmonly in matters related at the second hand falleth out though the substance thereof be neuer so true there hee fasteneth his hold and maketh such clamors and outcries as though the matters were meere inuentions really and totally falshoods and neuer any such things had beene in rerum natura And so doth he deale in the seauenth Chapter as well concerning the booke entituled The sparing Discouerie as the rest His first entrance vpon the sayd Discouerie is with generall inuectiue and then he carpeth at the posie or sentence vidi calumnias quae sub sole geruntur which hee will retort vpon the writers But if you consider the proceedings of the Iesuits and their faction against vs in the beginning of the erection of Ma Blackwell to his dignity with what reproches indignities and calumnious slaunders they abused vs you will say we had reason to vse that sentence in the discouerie of such dealings It is an easie matter to dally in this sort We could with more shew of reason catch at his sentence prefixed to this libell of Manifestation viz theyr folly shall be manifest to all men Which saying how fitly it may be retorted vpon fa Parsons you wil perceaue if you do but consider his actions and intermedling in matters as well vnpleasing as vnbefitting and vnbeseeming him whereby hee hath not onely kindled a flame of sedition heere in our poore afflicted Church but also drawne a great burden vppon his owne necke in opposing himselfe against our whole Clergie which he needed not to haue done as also perpetuall discredit thereby and a note of a factious tumultuous seditious headstrong man All the world certainly that shall see the effects of this his turbulent spirit as well in these our affaires as in matters of continuall practises against our Prince and country must needes say that his folly is exceeding great apparant in giuing vs occasion of publishing such his idle fancies furies and vndiscreet attempts vnto the world which by moderate indifferent dealing hee might peraduenture haue auoyded His second sentence is of the vncleane spirit which if wee consider his fore-said actions and the great oppressions wrongs and

our greater persecution at home by reason of Fa Parsons trecherous practises thereby to promote the Spaniards tytle for our Country and his hatefull stratagems with such scholers as are there brought vp enforcing them to subscribe to blanks and by publike Orations to fortifie the said wrested tytle of the Infanta which courses cannot but repay vs with double iniuries and wrongs for the benefits receaued If they had been sincerelie giuen vs for Gods cause without any such vniust conditions we should haue cause to thank him and euer pray for his regall prosperity But being otherwise as we haue said we cannot thinke it a poynt of ingratitude not to respect his liberality therein And whereas Fa Parsons in the 31 page laboureth to perswade vs that the King of Spaines intentions against our Country were principally for the aduauncement of Cath Religion and that he neuer meant or pretended in his life any temporall interest for himselfe to the crowne of England he both iugleth with vs and also speaketh against his owne knowledge and conscience First he iugleth by a notable equiuocation in that he sayeth he neuer pretended interest for himselfe to the crowne of England because forsooth he meant it for his daughter the Infanta a prety shift to play bo-peepe with I pray you what ease should haue come more to vs by pretending it for his daughter then if he had pretended it for himselfe And as touching his intention principally as you say for Religion did not you Fa Parsons affirme to diuers Scholers in Spaine who are yet ready to iustifie the same against you that if the Duke de Medina had preuailed in 88. he had made no regard of Cath and that the state of our Country was not knowne vnto the Spaniards before you came to Spaine and made them there-with acquainted and that it was Gods doing to preuent that attempt for our Countries good Haue not you deliuered the like speeches to the same effect since to diuers Scholers in Rome Did not Fa Southwell comming ouer to Wisbich vse the like speeches there of that attempt Haue not our Scholers in Spaine diuers times heard the religious Preachers in open pulpit condemne their intentions as not principally for Gods cause but for ambition the like How can you then assure vs of his principall intention for Religion Haue not you in the hearing of diuers Scholers vsed these speeches in talking of the Spaniards attempts against our Country viz It is no matter let them alone when they haue once subdued our Country and setled the same we will quickly thrust them out againe A prety perswasion to children but sottish and ridiculous in the eares of wise men Yet did it shew your great regard eyther to one thing or other so you might draw all to your desire You haue certainlie a very factious braine and so that you may set men together by the eares you care not But to leaue these Spanish intentions let vs proceede with you to other matters From the Archpriest Iesuits king of Spaine he cōmeth vnto the Popes and fourthly hee reckoneth that wee should haue abused his holines that now raigneth whom wee haue made as he saith our aduersarie And why forsooth Because we did not admit the Archpriest at his first institution by the Card protectors letters and that we affirmed that a Breve might be procured out of some office without his holines knowledge and that wee said our two messengers Ma. Doctor Bishop and Ma. Charnocke were ill handled by Fa Parsons procurement in Rome and that his holines beeing moued by the French Embassador or Agent was once determined to heare our said two Agents but afterwards disswaded by the Spanish Embassadour and other meanes wrought by fa Parsons These forsooth are the great matters that haue made his holines our aduersary which things because they are childish obiections and meere Pageants of folly in fa Parsons scanned answered and iustified so oft in our seueral writings I wil omit to be wrapped vp amongst other his follies But concerning the other three Popes viz. Pius Quintus Gregory the 13. and Sixtus quintus whose actions against our Country by the inducements principally of the Iesuits and such like wee both dislike and wish neuer had beene I see no how he can draw vs to any inconuenience in the vvorld vnlesse it be vnlawfull to dislike any particuler action done by any Pope For otherwise I am sure that by those actions came no good but much hurt and I assure my selfe that if the aforesaid Popes had foreseene the inconueniences that haue ensued such actions they would neuer haue been drawn thereto But they were deceiued seduced by diuers Stukeley the Iesuits and the Spaniard who should haue been named first as beeing the first and the last in plotting of all mischiefes against our country Neither is it strange to haue Popes drawne to inconuenient courses by the aduise coūsell of others For in these matters they are but as other princes depending vppon theyr counsell and aduise which may erre as in the attempt of Paule the 4. against Naples But it may be lawfull for the Iesuits to tax Popes actions in higher points a great deale without danger and yet we may not say this or that particuler fact in a Pope had beene better omitted What folly if not insolencie is this Did not the Iesuits generally condemne Sixtus quintus and publiquely one of them preach against him in Spaine because hee would haue changed theyr name to Ignatians after the manner of other religious orders taking their name of their first founder and haue brought them to the Quire And for his dealing in the behalfe of the King of Fraunce that now is did they not say that his holines Clement the eyght erred in absoluing the said King of Fraunce beeing therein deceiued by his Diuines These are matters of a little more consequence then our dislikes of particuler actions against our country or resisting a Cardinalls Letter Yet ours argueth great folly and must needes procure the Popes to be our enemies theirs great wisedome meriting much at the Popes hands for their good seruice done therein What is this but to arrogate infallibilitie to theyr proceedings and to draw all states Popes and Princes both to be directed and ruled by them But by the way I may not omit his cunning leauing out of halfe a sentence in the 52. page where relating our wordes out of the Important considerations which are these If the Pope had neuer beene vrged by them to haue thrust the King of Spaine into that barbarous action against our Realme hee leaueth out the first halfe and citeth them thus If the Pope had not thrust the king of Spaine c. which maketh the sentence to sound more odious against the Pope as proceeding of his owne proper motion and desire of our Countries ouerthrow where by our words we shew him to haue beene induced and vrged therto

most part of those who disliked this his heraldrie were in learning his maisters and in knowledge of the state of our Country what was conuenient or inconuenient pleasing or displeasing pacifiding or irritating better informed then himselfe as being men who liued vnder the burden of affliction and were not fled the field as hee was neither were their wits so weake as not able to see Fa Parsons cunning ayme therein Though like a Gipsey he play at fast and loose yet men that are acquainted with his olde tricks can gesse at his new fetches But whereas he saith that as times stood when the booke was written it was necessarie to handle that matter of succession to the crowne and that the first book is of such waight that it is an irreligious point for any Cath to be ignorant therein concerning the matter of preferring a Cath Prince for the which no good Cath can dispense with himselfe vpon any humaine respect or consideration whatsoeuer These his assertions are so headlong fond and desperate as I know not well how to deale with him As the times then stoode you say Meane you Sir as the times then stoode in Spaine or in England If you were throughly pressed to name vnto vs a fit time for xx yeeres past at least when wee might conueniently haue dealt heere with the point of Succession I beleeue it would pose you Such are our lawes in that behalfe as silence in such matters had beene much more fit for you that liue abroad and lesse dangerous to vs who are subiect to some stormes at home You must therefore needes haue relation to the times as they ranne in Spaine And so wee haue descryed the traytour After the repulse 1588. this good Fa hastneth into Spaine and finding no likelyhoode that the King would againe attempt the like course against this Realme he thought it was time to intitle him to the Crowne if so be hee might set a new edge to his former desire thereof If I misse of your meaning you may expound your selfe heereafter Next you commend vnto vs exceedingly the first book of your treatise like a very wise and a modest man But when I perused it me thought I was reading all the while your Maister in that art Buchanan the Scot his booke de iure Regni apud Scotos vnto whom you are very much beholden If any will take the paines to reade them both let him condemne me for a seducer if I haue abused him heerein Their full scope is how they may set vp the people against their Soueraignes Well well good Fa when people are thrust into such courses they are not easily stayd and you are but a simple man for all your statizing if you know not that popularity in the ciuill state doth not well disgest a Monarchie in the ecclesiasticall You tell vs further that it is an irreligious thing for any to be ignorant who shall succeede her Maiestie and therefore you forsooth thought it time to teach them But the time was when such trayterous courses were vtterly forbidden that in Spaine it selfe by the fift Counsell at Tolet vnder paine of excommunication But I know your shift you will tell vs that there was no feare then in Spaine but that whosoeuer should succeede hee would be a Catholicke which is not so with vs now in England And if not so with vs how then Father It is true I confesse that there is no competitor vnto the Crowne of England that is Catholicke in whom any probabilitie in the world of enioying the crowne can be imagined as all men know But what then Are Catholickes bound without all humane respect to dispose themselues for such a Competitor as must be a Catholicke Againe if Catholicks would so dispose themselues what probabilitie is there that they could direct or make such a King beeing the weakest and the deiectest number in our country and are besides deuided in themselues through the Iesuits honest practises as euery man seeth And as touching the Infanta of Spaine neither is shee a Competitor more thē euery gentleman in England that can any way deriue himselfe from any noble house that hath any way matched in the blood royall as the most auncient Gentlemens houses in England haue done Neither is there any probabilitie of her Obtayning the Scepter vnlesse we be willing to become slaues to Spaniards and aliens as this vnnaturall English Iesuit would haue vs. Now in this case as all things stand with vs in England I thinke there is no man of iudgement that is not Iesuited and so Hispanized but vvill say that wee are not bound to oppose our selues for a Catholicke Prince I might adde some other reasons to this purpose as that we may not doe euill that good may come of it The common rule of iustice requireth that euery man should enioy that which by right and inheritance belongeth vnto him In auncienter times obedient and dutifull Christians liuing vnder Tyrants prayed not onely for them but for theyr chyldren that they might succeede theyr fathers in the Empire though they theyr sayd children for ought the Christians knew were like to proue no better then theyr Fathers Wee are to commit the cause to God in whose hands the harts of Princes are and who doth make and pull downe Kings at his will praying that whomsoeuer it shall please his diuine prouidence to inuest with the Crowne and scepter of our Country hee will vouchsafe to incline his hart vnto the Catholicke Romane religion and fauour of his Church For where in mans reason no possibility of things are they are alwaies to be referred vnto Gods holy prouidence and disposition who worketh beyond mans expectation Besides the reasons which the Councell of Toledo yeeldeth why it was forbidden to name a Successor to the crowne as long as Chintillus the King liued doe fight with Fa Parsons tergiuersations It was held an vnlawfull thing so to doe But you shall haue theyr owne words Quia et religioni inimicum et hominibus constat esse perniciosum c. Because it is both contrary to religion and hurtfull for men to thinke of future things vnlawfully to search after the falls of Princes to prouide for themselues for aftertimes seeing it is written It belongeth not to you to know the times and moments which the Father hath put in his owne power Wee ordaine by this decree that whosoeuer shall be found to haue sought after such thinges and during the Princes life to haue aymed at an other for the future hope of the kingdome or to haue drawne other vnto him for that purpose shall be cast out of the congregation of Catholicks by the sentence of excommunication By these things you may see whether the peremptory proposition of fa Parsons be not in our case a flat paradoxe but he neuer looketh to circumstances of time persons or place so hee may by generall propositions seeme to make a faire shew of somewhat But to come

too much ●auour of An other vntruth alledged by him in this chapter is that we affirme that his holines hath no authoritie to moue war for religion against any temporall Prince This is a manifest lye for his temporall authority concerning this point was not examined by vs as I haue shewed aboue After this in the 77. page follow three vntruths conioyned as in one that we perswade all the world that all is sedition conspiracie rebellion amongst Catholicks in England and not matter of religion that vvee make them the true Authors and occasioners of all theyr owne trouble vexations and dangers by theyr owne indiscreet and temerarious actions and that we also iustifie the cause of the Persecutors and lay the fault vppon the persecuted All these are so manifest forgeries as impudencie it selfe without a brazen visage could not auerre it wee manifestly excusing the body of Priests and Cath and laying the fault onely vppon some particuler persons where the true fault was indeed thereby to shew the wrongs and iniuries that generally Cath and Priests haue sustayned without iust cause onely excusing the Queene and state by ignorance not knowing the difference betweene the innocent and guilty and not iustifying thei●●ard proceedings For it is one thing to excuse a fault and another thing to iustifie the same yea we doe say that the extremity of affliction exceeded in our opinions the measure of the faults But to denie occasions to haue beene giuen by Fa Parsons and his complices and some other also who wee wish had beene better aduised we cannot vnlesse we had as shamelesse countenances as perhaps he frameth to himselfe when he denieth such apparant verities And the same lye is iterated againe in the page following to wit that we make sufferings in England not to be for conscience but for practising against the Prince and state I doe greatly feare he wil proue in the end to haue Laesam imaginationem in these matters framing to himselfe a conceite that all the calumniations which hee can deuise against vs must be true because hee so dreameth Another vntruth is in the 79. page that we haue sent to offer our selues to the King of Scots which is onely spoke of malice to bring vs into suspition and iealousie with our own state at home a thing he vehemently laboureth to doe by all the meanes he can vse as well by lyes and disgraces as by his example of Constantius alledged by him out of Eusebius and Sozomenus you may perceaue which testimonie in very truth doth more properly agree vnto himselfe in that he hauing beene an open professed enemie vnto her Maiestie alwayes yet to purchase her fauour and his credit with her againe wrote a letter some few yeeres past vnto her Highnes a fact of no small presumption offering her his seruice and that he would giue her intelligence out of all parts of Europe what was intended against her and her estate This Letter in his owne hand hath been shewed vnto some of our friends who know his hand as well as himselfe that he may not say it was counterfeited which yet if hee doe I think no man of wit or vnderstanding will thinke probable For what aduantage should her Maiestie or the state get by counterfetting a Letter of Parsons to such a vaine effect If you will say to disgrace him I verily thinke and assure my selfe that her Maiestie and the Counsell no more regard the poore fellowes credit or discredit then you regard your old shooes And in reason doe but thinke whether it is probable that so mighty a Prince and so great a state should respect so meane a fellow I verily thinke he is altogether forgot of them but when as at some times his practises make him infamous to them as the burning of Diana her temple made the obscure Cripple to be talked of By this you may see how fitly Constans his example may be applied to himselfe or to the conceite of her Maiestie and the state But as touching vs his malice cannot reach to his scope her Maiestie and the State know well that as to them wee professe our selues most loyall and faithfull in word and action so stand we most resolute in the profession of our faith loyaltie to God and his Church which God assisting vs wee will continue Another lying inuention of his owne is that we haue deuised a new discourse about Succession and haue dealt another way in England for the intitling of the Crowne more to the tast as he sayeth of some great personages of our estate This malicious falshoode he hath inuented newly to bring vs into iealousie and suspition and thereby hatred to his Maiestie of Scotland See how this Robin good-fellowe playeth his part on all sides to worke mischiefe and contention But hee shall neuer finde such shuffling dealing in vs about matters that concerne vs not as himselfe hath practised First he began with the Scottish title affirming difference in Religion no sufficient cause of barre in right to a Kingdome as you may see in Greenecoate or Leisters Common-wealth howsoeuer now hee inueigh against his Maiesties title onely for Religion Then hee practised with the Prince of Parma to haue his sonne Ranutius marry to L. Arbella thereby to fortifie his title deriued from the house of Portugall And lastly he practised with the Spaniard and hath intitled his daughter the Infanta These haue beene his mutable iuglings by which his Cath Maiestie might see how sure a staffe he hath of him who hath runne through so many titles euer shifting to the greatest as occasions doe require And I am perswaded that hee will returne againe to his Maiestie of Scotland or any other if he see them likelyer once to winne the spurres then the Spaniard Now as he maketh no conscience to slaunder vs thereby to worke our discredits to the vttermost of his power so to fortifie his falshoods against vs he doth arrogate vnto himselfe and his whatsoeuer good and laudable action is done by any of vs or our friends As for example the motion of a toleration and mitigation of extremities in cause of Religion knowne to be first effectually proposed by Ma Bluet and Ma Clarkes meanes and as well the petition as instructions there-vpon with informations of the manner of ease desired drawne by them and put into the hands of such of worth discretion and wit as prosecuted the same this I say he arrogateth to his fauorites and friends though I know that some of them did in many places inueigh against the ●ute and auerted men as much as in them lay from harkning thereto framing strange falshoods and lyes about our intentions and the action it selfe And I am halfe perswaded that if the Iesuits had not beene the matter had found better successe For it is well knowne that they haue alwaies beene enemies to all toleracions in Religion because they think that they should perhaps be expelled or forced to retire themselues vpon

the conditions of security to be giuen vnto the Queene concerning her person and state which they perhaps are vnwilling to be drawne vnto considering thereby all their plots and practises should be cut of Neyther happily wil the State trust them in whom it hath found such trecherie by reason of their mutuall bond wherein they are all tyed to follow the direction of Fa Parsons the Archeplotter of state practises against our Prince and Countrey And to proue this part concerning the Iesuits affection towards toleration Fa Parsons their ring-leader and square to the rest openly in Rome before the Scholers as diuers will testifie against him made a long speech against toleration of Religion in England in that as he said Cath thereby would grow cold and lose their feruencie they had got by persecution See whether the motion of toleration was like to proceede from these me● and yet he insinuateth some motiue vnto her Maiestie and the Counsell to deale with him or his party because forsooth we being deuided as he sayth haue little credite By this also indirectly you may perceaue his minde to toleration in Religion or any benefit to Cath seeing he disgraceth to his power such as deale for their good when he knoweth that her Maiestie and Counsell will not trust him or any of his faction in whom they haue found so much sedition But to proceede with the rest of this Chapter Fa Parsons would haue you in the beginning wonder at our friends confidence in Cath Countries in that they durst not goe to the Nuncio in Flaunders without a pasport But he might more iustly haue told you that our confidence in him and his fellow Iesuits was such that our friends durst not commit themselues into their hands For if they had so done they had all beene layed fast for euer comming at Rome the Iesuits had so earnestly practised with the Spanish Embassadour against them affirming that they were enemies vnto the King and I know not what In so much that notwithstanding their pasport the Embassador came posting down about them and Fa Baldwine Doct Cesar Clement and others ranne with open mouth against them to the Nuncio whereby one of them as it is knowne had like to haue been taken by a policy if he had been in his Inne His horse was seised on vntill the Nuncio sent for the Gouernour and gaue him a checke Consider then whether they had not cause to feare the Iesuits whose irreligious oppressions our former messengers had once tasted before But more of this wil be sayd in another treatise And as for their telling the Nuncio that they were in feare to come vnto him it was true they said so and gaue their reasons not as fa Parsons setteth them downe but that we had beene oft prouoked by our Archpriest vnto him and threatned with him by these words that he the Archpriest had beaten vs with roddes but the Nuncio would beate vs with scorpions These only were the reasons giuen to the Nuncio which were most true And for the breve and his Commission to end the matter our Messengers vvere content and did referre themselues vnto him Whereupon he writ to the Archpriest to appeare by himselfe or Proctors and the Doctor staied in Paris to meete them But the Archp refused as seemed for he neuer appeared one way or other vntill his two Agents some monthes after went ouer to be his Proctors in Rome who passed indeed by the low countries but what they did there wee know not Onely it vvas said that beeing before the Nuncio they could not deliuer their tale and that the Iesuits were ashamed of them Insomuch that one of the Iesuits of that Country demaunded if the Archpriest had no more sufficient men in England to send about his affaires This was reported whether it be true or no I will not auerre Touching the Breve the Nuncio plainly told our brethren that he had but a Copie thereof and that the Archp had the originall sent him long before marueyling as he said that he had not published it adding further vnto them that they were not bound to take notice thereof sith the Archpriest had not divulged it And whereas Fa Parsons saith that our friends beeing at Doway were exclaimed against by the Rector seniors there it is a manifest vntruth They found nothing but kindnes at their hands For English men of worth abroade I thinke fa Parsons cannot name one that exclaimed against theyr iourney But I am sure that all of reconing haue euer exclaimed against his vnconscionable practises as well lay Gentlemen Nobles as of the Clergie and he can name very few of esteeme of either sorts which haue not complained against him As touching his reports written concerning a toleration vpon condition the Iesuits and Archpriest should be recalled I would it were true And if hee had respect to the common cause he would wish so to but they vse more to regard their priuate interest then any publicke good Concerning the matter of schisme he writeth three vntruthes in three or foure lines First that Lysters Libell was neuer published secondly that soone after it came forth it was recalled by the Archpriest at the attonement Heere are involued two falshoods first that the attonement was soone after the divulging of that Libell there beeing a full yeere betwixt them secondly that then it was recalled which is a lie for hee promised onely the matter should neuer be vrged and that the Treatise should die but he neuer performed eyther of those conditions Thirdly that it could not be said to infame any which is an impudent assertion aboue 30. de facto being defamed by it and so held and practised against thereupon besides an hundreth at the least of neuters fauourers whom it concerned But to leaue these apparant vntruthes his best refuges let vs come at length to Card Sega his Catalogue or Memoriall alleaged against the scholers of Rome Fa Parsons noteth the causes of those tumults in Rome to haue been raised vppon the same causes against the same persons that these heere in England haue beene and therein we yeeld hee saith truly And for the persons to wit the Iesuits wee agree with him that as they were the men impugned by them there so are they also by vs heere Touching the cause also which he ascribeth to liberty and freedome from subiection as such liberty and freedome excludeth tyranny oppressions vniust insultations of the Iesuits wee likewise graunt it but as he maliciously cōmenteth vpon it with hatred of order discipline and superioritie we say and will conuince him that hee speaketh of malice and against his knowledge For hee cannot denie but that the scholers in Rome excepting iustly against theyr violent tyrannie and oppressions offered notwithstanding to admit of all the bonds and rules whereto any of themselues were bound by their order their vowes excepted and to tye themselues to the obseruance thereof during their