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A13160	A challenge concerning the Romish Church, her doctrine & practises, published first against Rob. Parsons, and now againe reuiewed, enlarged, and fortified, and directed to him, to Frier Garnet, to the archpriest Blackevvell and all their adhærents, by Matth. Sutcliffe. Thereunto also is annexed an answere vnto certeine vaine, and friuolous exceptions, taken to his former challenge, and to a certeine worthlesse pamphlet lately set out by some poore disciple of Antichrist, and entituled, A detection of diuers notable vntrueths, contradictions, corruptions, and falsifications gathered out of M. Sutcliffes new challenge, &c.	Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.; Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. Briefe replie to a certaine odious and slanderous libel.	1602 (1602)	STC 23454; ESTC S117867	337,059	440

the images of our lady of Loreto of the crosse and such like If they say that the image of Christ is to be worshipped with the honour due to Christ improperly as Bellarmine teacheth lib. 2. de imaginib c. 23. It may be replied that the Gentiles were neuer so stupid as to say that properly as much honor is due to the image as to the originall Finally if you méet with any of Bellarmines opinion lib. de imaginibus c. 6. that thought Xenaias to be the first that found fault with the worship of images you may boldely reproue him by the testimony of Lactantius Hierome Epiphanius Augustine and other fathers before cited Vnlesse therefore Robert Parsons and his consorts can well answere our arguments and fortifie their owne simple excuses shifts and distinctions it will appeare both by testimony of scriptures and fathers and also by diuers good arguments that the papists are idolaters nay it will appeare they can no better answere for themselues then the heathen idolaters in ancient time is it not then maruell that such grosse idolatry should créepe in among Christians it is so certes but much more is it to be maruelled that so grosse an abuse being detected should either be defended or tolerated CHAP. VI. That such papists as within the compasse of her maiesties reigne haue bene executed to death haue died for treason and other capitall crimes and not for religion and therefore are to be detested as malefactors and not honored as martyrs HItherto we haue discoursed of matters of religion and I hope so as it may appeare to euery man not altogether either irreligious or possessed with preiudice that the papists are neither true catholicks nor good Christians I haue therein also discouered not only the vanity of Parsons his pleading in his Ward-word that taketh that as granted which is the principall question but also the simplicity of this wooden Oulyglasses dealing that not daring to answere our arguments doth notwithstanding still in his exceptions vsurpe the name of Catholicks Catholicke religion as due to himselfe and his consorts being nothing lesse then either catholicke or Christian now therefore to fill vp this discourse it followeth that we consider a litle the ou●ward ciuill cariage of this faction and what we are to thinke either of those that heretofore haue broken their necks in the Popes seruice or else yet continue well affected toward his cause and generally what all true subiects are to looke for either at their hands or the hands of their partakers and adherents and this for that Robert Parsons in the first chapter or incounter of his Ward-word doubteth not most impudently to affirme that many honorable and worshipfull gentlemen haue indured continuall and intolerable affliction for perseuering in their fathers faith and that aboue a hundred priests haue bene tortured hanged and quartered for the same cause the same man also in the conclusion of his encounters doth insinuat that albeit they were charged with treason yet they died as martyrs Allen likewise that perfidious traitor to his prince and country in his a Ad p●rsequutores Anglos treatise against the execution of iustice doone vpon diuers priests and friers and their adherents taken in notorious treasons doth exclaime against the state and charge our gouernors with persecution iniustice tyranny and extreme cruelty as for his clients he beareth vs in hand that they were cleare of treason and without all iust cause died for matter of religion and conscience onely and not for treason or practises against the state and concludeth that therefore they are to be esteemed as holy martyrs and not as leud traitors the detector also in his disiointed exceptions is talking of crosses and persecutions where he and most of his consorts liue at ease and in all security in good houses and haue laisure to write and opportunity to print such pamphlets and idle toies as that which he hath of late published argument 1 First then I say that albeit late lawes gaue occasion to detect the Popes agents that of late haue bene executed to death in England yet they deserued death as offending in cases of treason both so adiudged by the ancient lawes of this land and also for the most part by the lawes of all nations for first it is treason to stirre vp forrain enemies against the prince or state the statute of 25. Edward the 3. c. 2. doth so account it condemning all of treason that shall goe about to leuy warre against the kings and queenes of this land Likewise it was adiudged by the Romane lawes Maiestatis crimine tenetur saith Vlpian ad legem Iuliam maiest l. 1. cujus opera consilio dolo malo consilium initum fuerit c. quo quis contra remp arma ferat The same course is now taken in Spaine with such as attempt to leuie warre against the king either within or without the realme as is apparent by the booke called El fuero real Tit. de la guarda del rey those also that counsell or abet such as attempt any such matter are by that law condemned as traitors Neither is the practise of France diuers from other nations in this point Finally no Romane may so much as once attempt to raise warre against the pope albeit he hold nothing but by vsurpation but the popes sergeants and officers seize vpon him as a traitor neither will any pretence or allegation of conscience serue to excuse his treason or to exempt him from punishment But such agents of the pope as haue beene executed hitherto in England for his cause either haue themselues béene persuaders of the pope and Spanish king and others to make warre vpon her Maiesty and their countrey or els haue ioined with Englefield Allen Parsons Holt Owen Morgan and other principall moouers and stirrers for an inuasion and were directed by them and sent into England and other places for that purpose and this may be proued first by the Bull of Pius Quintus procured at the instance of diuers English fugitiues and by them sent abroad into England and sent into the king of Spaines countrey as a motiue for him to inuade England and as it were a trumpet that sounded fire and sword against vs. secondly all the practises and exercises of the seditious seminaries in the Low-countreys Spaine and Rome haue tended to the stirring vp of forren nations against vs as is confessed by diuers priests and testified by scholars and may be prooued by some notes of their exercises which we haue to shew Thirdly Sixtus Quintus anno 1588. in his sentence declaratory or rather declamatory against the Quéene doeth say that at the earnest solicitation of certeine principall English men which he calleth catholikes he had proceeded against her Maiesty and had enioyned the Spanish king to execute his Bull of excommunication and deposition against her and to come with great forces against England fourthly Allen in his traitorous letters to the nobility

those that haue beene destroyed by this change of religion A most shamelesse and palpable vntruth For not religion or any alteration therein but the malice of the Pope and wicked practises of Iesuites and there consorts haue caused most of these troubles The rest haue happened vpon other accidentes By the Popes secret practises and Charles the 9. his great disloyalty many thousandes of innocentes were massacred in France the yeare of our Lord 1572. by the working of Claude Matthieu a Iesuite and others his consortes that league was made which brought infinit calamities to the people and kingedome of France Paule the third stirred vp warres against the princes of Germany P●us the fift was the firebrand that inflamed the Northren rebellion in England Sanders the Popes legat was the originall cause of the destruction of the earle of Desmond And happie had the late Quéene of Scots beene if shée had not béene to credulous to beléeue Sammier and other seditions Iesuites entisinge words and promises the attempt of Spaniardes against England anno 1588 was set forward by Frier Sixtus quintus at the solicitation of Robert Parsons and his fellowes albeit here he would gladly discharge himselfe and lay the fault vpon others the Iesuites were the causes of the destruction of the Duke of Guise of Henry the french King that was murdered by Iames Clement of the Duke of Parma of the discontentment of the Prince of Transiluania neither was the losse of Sebastian King of Portugal of his whole army his estate to be ascribed to any other thē to the wicked counsaile of the Iesuites which gouerned him wholy and drue him into that action they haue also brought the King to Poland in danger to loose his kingdome of Suethland and caused the ouerthrow of Ferdinand of Croatia by the Turkes and finally both haue they ruined as many as haue harkened to their turbulent counsels and will they ruine as many as will be guided by them And this is not only proued by experience but also testified by diuers records and bookes in England and France of late set out by men of their owne religion The diuisions certes which they haue caused in the emperors army in Hungary haue wrought many calamities to christendome falsification 5 In the same encounter he saith that before the late alteration of religion there was one forme of seruice one number of Sacraments one tongue one Sacrifice one heade of the Church throughout all christendome but in my reply pag. 19. I haue shewed that this shorte sentence containeth the truth haue respected temporal commodity or as if we did not vrge them with the truth of apostolicall doctrine and the ancient christian faith falsification 38 In the preface of his directory fol. 13. p. 2 he saith that S. Ambrose S. Augustine S. Gregory S. Bernard perswade men by their examples to be afraid of purgatory A fourfold lye for neither did S. Ambrose nor any of the rest speake of a purgatory wherein christians did satisfie for the temporall punishment of sins remitted in earth nor did they beléeue any such purgatory Whatsoeuer they held of another purgatory viz. for veniall sinnes yet false it is that they perswaded men to be afraid of it by their examples falsification 39 In his directory lib. 1. p. 42. he saith that the world knoweth that Socrates was put to death for i●sting at the multitude of gods among the gentiles a matter which the world knoweth to be a lie and is refuted by Plato al that write of his death falsification 40 In the same place he saith Plato was wont to report of Zeno the stoike that he should say that either there was one God or no God but the record of the report will not be found Further if Plato liued before Zeno it was not like that he should prophecy what Zeno would say These lyes certes being the grounds of Parsons proofes where he goeth about to shew that there is a God are rather like to make a gentile or heathen mā obstinate then to make him beléeue in one God falsification 41 Pag. 174. he telleth that the number of infants slaine at Bethlehem was 14. thousand and this he goeth about to proue by the greeke calendar and the liturgy of the Aethiopians but such fables as he bringeth doe rather discredit christian religion then prooue it We beléeue that Herod killed the yoong children in Bethlehem and thereabouts but so many as 14. M. could not be found in that quarter as is very likely falsification 42 Pag. 269. he saith that Philo the Iew doth set forth strange things in the life and exercises of S. Marke and of his disciples that liued in Alexandria But if Philo in his booke de vit contēplat do neither speake of S. Marke nor his disciples in Alexandria I hope that Parsons disciples will be ashamed of their masters ignorance and confesse that he hath lyed It were an easie matter to set downe infinit lyes of this lying compagnion whoe without lying is not able to speak any thing as his consorts the seculer priests say but when he hath cleared himselfe of these he shall haue twise so many more obiected against him and drawne out of his simple writings In the meane while it may appeare that neither he nor his disciple Owlyglasse had any great reason to challenge the combat of vs for falsifications and lyes CHAP. XI That Owlyglasse himselfe hath falsified diuers authors and allegations in his little lewd Pamplet wherein he chargeth others with falsifications IS it possible thinke you to worke somewhat out of nothing certes no. Strange therefore it may seeme vnto you that I endeuour out of this small Pamphlet that is as nothing to make something Yet if you please to consider the particulers ensuing you shall finde that in this trifling discourse of the woodden detector wherein he hath shewed neither witte learning nor honesty nor any good thing that there are diuers points contained that may conuince him both to bee a falsary and a false lying compagnion falsification 1 Out of Origen pag. 11. c. 2. he citeth these words qui renascitur debet sale saliri Homil. 6. in Ezech. But the fathers words are these oportet ergo eum qui renascitur vtique in Christo renascentem rationabile sincerum lac desiderare prius quam rationabile sine dolo lac desideret debet sale saliri pannorum inuolucris colligari ne dicatur ad eum sale non es salitus pannis non es inuolutus So then by this it appeareth that he cutteth away the words in the midst and leaueth out the words in the end of the sentence and the maliciously to serue his purpose for otherwise it would haue appeared that Oregin spoke allegorically or that al children and others that are to be baptized must as well drinke milke and be lapped in cloutes as salted or touched with salt falsification 2 In his preface he abuseth

most lawfull e Theodorick Niem lib. 2. de schismae 36. Vrbane the sixth vpon pretence of a conspiracy against himselfe put diuers of his cardinals to death and proceeded with all rigour against such as were but a little suspected of practising against him neither did his aduersarie Clement vse a milder course against such as were taken practising against his faction f Iouio in vita de Leon. 10. Leo the tenth spared not Cardinall Petrucci but put him to death most cruelly for vttering some words tending to the alteration of the state of Siena although that city was no part of his dominions but onely recommended vnto him finally Clement the fift by the aide of the French king abolished the whole order of the Templars and of late the whole order of the Humiliati was suppressed and dissolued and diuers of them executed to death for a practise against the state of the Romish church and shall the Romish church and her agents be suffered without punnishment to practise against this state or can any reasonable or indifferent man iustly finde fault with the execution of such persons as haue bene taken practising the very aduersaries I thinke albeit very bold yet will not be so impudent to affirme it for hetherto their pleading hath bene that the massepriests and other Romanists are cleare from such practises Let vs sée therefore whether they speake truly or no. and albeit we should greatly wrong the state if we should dispute this point as a matter doubtfull yet let vs I say briefely touch it for satisfaction of the ignorant especially such as are strangers and vnacquainted with the triall of such priests friers and other the popes agents as haue bene executed in England as offending in cases of treason I say then that no one priest Iesuit or other papist in England hath beene executed for treason but he hath bene found guilty of practising against her Maiestie and the state or at the least aiding and assisting and intertaining of such practisers and seditious persons and that diuers of them haue either stood armed against the state in open rebellion or else ioined with the rebells and assisted them to their vttermost power and meanes and this appeareth first by faculties granted to Thomas Harding about the yeere 1567. for the reconciliation of the people to the pope and for the disturning of them from their obedience to the Prince for whatsoeuer the pretence was the end was sedition and rebellion he being appointed for nothing else but to be a forerunner of that filthy friers Impius Quintus his excommunication against the Queene secondly it is proued by the rebellion in the north anno 1569. which was stirred vp by one Nicholas Morton and other seditious priests thirdly by the rebellion and treason of the duke of Norfolke stirred vp by the pope as appeareth by the report of Hierome Catena in the life of Pius Quintus fourthly by the erection of two seminaries of treason the one erected at Doway anno 1569. and another at Rome anno 1579. or thereabout which were receptacles of such scattered and lost priests as had bene in rebellion and open schooles to teach treason to malcontent papists fiftly by the rebellion of the earle of Desmond in Ireland raised by the solicitation of Sanders the popes legat and set forward by diuers seditious priests and friers and other malcontents sixthly by the faculties of Parsons and Campian and their companions which came to make a way for the execution of the Popes bull seuenthly by the iudgement of Sanders and Bristow who commend these rebels and put them into the catalogue of martyrs Sanders in his 7. booke of his visible monarchy saith that the purpose of the earles of Westmerland and Northumberland and their followers in the northren rebellion was to bee praised albeit they had no succcesse nobilium illorum laudanda erant consilia he doth also call the rebellion pium institutum fidei confessionem that is a godly and deuout resolution and a plaine confession of the Romish faith neither doeth hée esteeme of them that were executed for that rebellion otherwise then of holy martyrs Bristow likewise in his fiftéenth motiue putteth the earle of Northumberland the two Nortons and two massing priestes called Woodhouse and Plomptree and others that were executed as principall actors in that rebellion in the catalogue of martyrs for now the pope doeth account rebellion for his cause good religion and celebrateth the memory of traitors for martyrs an eight argument is ministred vnto vs by the most scandalous and traitorous libell set out by Allen and printed not without the helpe of Parsons they say and other English traitors wherein they by all the meanes they can deuise doe exhort her Maiesties subiects in England and Ireland to take armes against her to seaze vpon her person and to deliuer her into the hands of her enemies they endeuour also to perswade them to forsake their allegeance and to ioine with forreine enemies The 9. argument may be drawne from the practise of Charles Paget with the earle of Northumberland anno domini 1583. that by all meanes solicited him to reuolt and to ioine with the French against the State The 10. is ministred vnto vs by the treacherous plot of Parsons and Hesket to draw in Ferdinand the late earle of Darby into action The 11. is grounded vpon the insurrection of Tyrone and the rest of that rascall rout stirred vp by Monford a priest yet lurking in England and diuers other seditious agents of the pope The last is that dangerous attempt of the late earle of Essexe which maketh my heart to bléed in respect of some priuate causes as oft as I remember it and moueth many to woonder that he should be made an instrument by these firebrands of sedition to set vp that religion which I thinke he neuer loued and my arguments are prooued good for that no one of those that haue béene executed for the popes cause can be named but either he was an agent in some of these practises or allowed them or were priuy vnto them nay I doe beléeue that if the question were asked of any Iesuit or Iesuited priest or any of their adherents he would not disallow the popes act or the acts of his agents in stirring vp rebellion in England and Ireland especially for matter of religion what others would doe I know not but hitherto we finde that they speake honorably of Card. Allen as of their foster father yet was he the most notorious and seditious traitor that euer this land bred Robert Parsons onely excepted that Parsons and Campian knew of a rebellion or change intended it is apparent by their petition to the pope wherein they doe onely prouide for their consorts rebus sic stantibus that is so long as the state of things did continue in termes as then it stood a certeine g Quod lib. 9. art 10. secular priest affirmeth that no

cause how is it then possible that either they should draw their swords against her Maiestie or allow them that do it and not be guilty of attempting against her person Thirdly Holt the Iesuit Worthington and other priests perswaded first a certeine Irish man called Patricke Collen afterward one Yorke Williams to murder her Maiestie and this the secular priests in Holt his consorts in a certeine treatise intitled important considerations n Pag. 33. doe confesse to be true they do also o Ibidem cōfesse that Edmund Squire was drawen by the perswasion of Walpoole a Iesuite to a like vilanous attempt against her Maiesties owne person Parsons in his Wardword likewise confesseth that he was acquainted with the resolution of a certaine gentelman as he calleth him that came ouer to kill the Queene neither néed we to make any question but that diuers priests and Iesuits and others either p One Bifley a priest confessed that it was lawfull to kill the Queene being excommunicate by the pope and denied not that he himselfe would doe the act if he could his confession is extant to be seene allowed or were acquainted with the most execrable treasons of Parry Sauage Lopez Squire Babington and such like vnnaturall monsters that attempted and intended most cruelly to murder empoison and destroy their liege Souereigne the rest they are scholars and agents of the pope and his wicked consistory and of Parsons and other Iesuits and traitorous priests and combined with them and therefore guiltie as farre as the others in this point of treason Allen in his wicked letters to the nobilitie and people of England and Ireland declareth that there were diuers English priests in the Spanish army ready to serue euery mans spirituall necessitie by confession counsell and all consolation in Christ Iesus and the same is confessed also in diuers treatises set out by secular priests but how could they be in the army of publike enemies and not attempt against her Maiesties person if occasion serued or how can any allow or like of such fellowes or such attempts that wish not the destruction of her Maiesty fourthly cardinall Allen in his most slandrous libel directed to the nobility and people of England and Ireland doth by all his best retoricke endeuour to perswade all papists to take armes against her Maiesty to lay hands on her and to deliuer her into the hands of her enemies but what priest or papist in England did not much depend on him while he liued nay most of them were his scholars and the rest conuersed with him and receiued diuers letters and instructions from him fiftly it is confessed that diuers priests now in England were either in the Spanish army or in their ships or appointed to follow the army anno 1588. and that diuers others were put aboord the Adelantadoes ships that came for Falmouth anno 1597. and 1598. If then they came with forren enemies and were in their troupes it is no question but they meant to attempt against her Maiesties person it is also apparent that all their receiters and abetters and such also as allow their act and this opinion are likewise guiltie of this point of treason Finally in a certeine house where Dauid Engleby a traitourous priest was taken these q They are to be seene in the memorials of the councell of Yorke resolutions were also found that it is lawfull for papists to take armes against the Queene and further that they might doe with her person whatsoeuer pleased them they also resolue in flat termes that it is lawfull to kill the Queene but say the priests as matters now stand it is best not so much as once to speake of that matter so then all that are not blinde may sée the malice of this generation and no question but their followers in their superstitious opinions would not be farre behinde them in their leud and trecherous actions if occasion were offered neither can they otherwise do when the pope vpon whom they build their faith doth r Bulla Pij 5. aduersus Elizabetham excommunicate all that will not fight against the Queene argument 4 Fourthly it is treason in danger of forren inuasion or el● in the midst of the battell to forsake the prince or not to defend or mainteine his right ſ Li●ij lib. 1. decad 1. Metius Suffetius standing aloofe when Romulus encountred the enemy was seased vpon as a traitor and drawen in pieces with horses By the lawes of fees hée that forsaketh his lord in the battell t Lib 2. de feudis de caufis benefic amittendi as a traitor is depriued of his lands qui dominum suum saith the law cum quo ad praelium iuerit in acie periclitantem dimiserit beneficio se indignum indicauit Likewise it is adiudged treason not to declare any harme intended against our lord By the common lawes of England also and lawes of nations it hath béene alwaies accounted treason not only to oppugne the right of the king but also being required not to acknowledge it Suppose then all priests and papists were not actors either in op●n rebellions or in attempts made by forren enemies yet all of them denying the Quéenes authority being excommunicat by the pope and that refuse to acknowledge her lawfull title or to take her part against the pope who is now become an enemy and an inuader consorted with the Spaniard are notorious traitors But this is the case of the best of those that haue died for the popes cause Campian and his consorts being demanded whether they tooke the Queene to be lawfull Queene notwithstanding the popes sentence of excommunication and likewise whether Sanders and Bristow that mainteined the popes authoritie and the Queenes deposition to be lawfull was sound or not refused to answere directly and neither would they acknowledge her Maiesty to be their lawfull Queene nor promise to take her part if occasion serued nor would they condemne the popes fact nor disallow the traitorous doctrine of Sanders and Bristow and I do beléeue if our recusants in England were put to the question they would either accord with the priests or make very doubtfull answeres for the Queenes authority in ecclesiasticall causes they vtterly condemne and from the pope that is our enemy and hath displaied his banner i● open field against her Maiesty they will not be drawen Sherwin and some others did so answere as euery man might iudge that they meane to the vttermost of their power to defend the popes cause and to oppugne her Maiesties authority In Ireland we finde that papists are the men that vphold the rebellion and that serue her Maiesty very coldly though sometime enterteined in her seruice Were it then nothing els but this that the masse priests and their adherents refuse to acknowledge her Maiesties title and to serue her against forren enemies yet is that sufficient to shew them to be traitors

seuerity of the punnishment by law inflicted vpon such persons transfugae ad hostes saith the g L. si quis §. transfugae ff de paenis law aut viui exurantur aut furca suspendantur by this law it appeareth that our rinegued english Iesuits and priests haue great fauour that hitherto haue escaped the penalty of the law that adiudgeth men in their cases woorthy of such grieuous punnishment and certes séeing our aduersaries thinke it lawfull to burne men for transgressing the vaine traditions of men as for example for reading of an english testament for eating flesh in lent and such like they cannot say but such as seeke the destruction of their country and runne to forrain enemies deserue with all seuerity to be punnished that our masse-priests haue forsaken their countrey to flie to the enemies it cannot be denied nay in the cases of conscience resolued by Allen and Parsons cap. 1. cas 1. cap. 3. they are taught by prety equiuocations to deny their country argument 10 The Roman lawes adiudge him a traitor which fraudulently enforceth a man to to take an oth to doe an act against the state h L. cuiusque ff ad l. Iuliam maiest cuius dolo malo saith Sceuola iureiurando quis adactus est quo aduersus remp faciat likewise i L. quisquis c. ad legem Iuliam maiestatis Arcadius and Honorius pronounce him a traitor qui scelestam cum militibus vel priuatis vel barbaris inierit factionem aut factionis eius sacramentum susceperit vel dederit that is which shall enter into a wicked faction with soldiers with priuate men or barbarous nations or shall either giue or take an othe to maintaine that faction the Romans did therefore call conspirators Coniuratos because those that entended treason against the state did binde themselues one to another by an oth not onely to kéepe matters secret but also to prosecute the intended treason with effect If then the Iebusits and seminary men take an oth to their superior of blinde obedience as they call it to the Pope that they shall goe whether he will send them to the Spaniard to serue him faithfully to Robert Parsons to maintaine the title of the Infanta of Spaine how can they excuse themselues from treason in this point if they deny that they take such othe not onely their owne conscience but also the testimony of Nauarrus consil lib. 3. de regularib cons 1. and Ribadineira lib. 3. de schism c. 21. and the confession of diuers seculer priests in diuers treatises published against the Iesuits and their faction will plainly conuince them argument 11 Likewise as in warre enemies are discerned from friends by the word and some priuy note so traitors in ciuill dissention are knowen from true subiects by this that those haue their words and notes of faction whereby one of them knoweth another and as in warres those are taken for enemies that cary the enemies signal so in ciuill gouernment those are vndoubtedly traitors and enemies that are marked with the priuy signes of traitors and enemies the papists therefore that carie about with them their agnus dei their graines their consecrated beades and such other trash and are shorne and greased for the popes shéepe and Spanish seruants are vndoubtedly by all reason to be taken for traitors And if any reply that it is a ridiculous and strange law that men should be reputed traitors for bringing in or hauing the popes bulles and an agnus dei and blessed graines medalles and such toies it may be answered that not to haue these things simply is treason but to haue them as markes of faction and signes to discerne the heard of anthichrist from others and that doe the papists well know Allen also and Parsons in their hellish resolutions of cases of conscience affirme that such medalles and graines binde men in deuotion to the popes see which they call apostolike haec grana metalla benedicta say k Resolut c. 1. cas 2. they multum conferre possunt ad afficiendos populos erga apostolicam sedem againe to be shorne a priest and greased after the popish maner in it selfe is not so much treason as superstition and false religion but when it is knowen that such greased goates are signed for the popes and Spaniards agents in England to set forward the Spanish inuasion or the Popes cause he is very simple that doeth not vnderstand him to be a traitor whose pole is shorne by the pope and his faction and who carieth with him the marks of the Spanish faction argument 12 It is treason also to conspire the death and destruction of principall men about the prince that are his principall agents in the gouernment of the state and this is not only according to the lawes of England but also according to the Romane lawes l L. quisquis Cod. ad l. Iuliam maiestatis Arcadius and Honorius pronounce them guiltie of treason which shal by faction attempt to murder their principal counsellors or officers and the reason is for that they in doing iustice are but the princes lieutenants and doe nothing but his commandement in this point therefore the Iesuites and priests are no lesse guilty then in the rest the pope he excommunicateth not onely the Quéene but all that doe adhere vnto her and doe her seruice being therefore to execute the popes bull as calues begotten by the bull of Bashan the pope the priests and Iesuites must néeds séeke first the destruction of these principall men then of the rest furthermore we are giuen to vnderstand that one principall point of Parsons and other Iesuites consultations is how to procure certeine principall men to be either made away or disgraced in the meane while being not able to doe worse Parsons and Creswell vnder the title of Andreas Philopater and others haue set out most vilanous libels against her Maiesties principall counsellers officers and agents argument 13 It is also treason to betray her Maiesties armie or any part of her forces into her enemies hands or for a captaine or soldier to yéeld vp any towne deliuered vnto him to kéepe héerein therefore Stanley and Yorke and their followers shewed themselues to be notable traitors to deliuer vp Deuenter and their soldiers into the Quéenes enemies hands Allen also and all his schollars and followers that allowed that fact shewed themselues to be traitors in applauding to their disloialty and wickednesse argument 14 The latter Romane m Extr. feud c. qui sunt rebaelles emperors doe declare them to be rebels and disloiall traitors which either openly or conuertly doe the works of rebels or practise against the prosperity of the state in this case therefore are they that either oppugne or deny the princes right and title or else aduance the right of forrain potentates to dispose of the crowne or els which practise against the person of their soueraigne lord as saith Socinus the yonger lib.

Father for the sinnes of quicke and dead 8 that christians are iustified by greasing which they call extreme vnction and by all other Romish sacraments 9 that the Diuell is coniured out by the blasphemous Romish exorcismes 10. that the pope is head and monarch of the Church 11 that it is sinne to eate flesh vpon imbre dayes 12 that the popes decrées are the foundation of the faith and other such like points of popish doctrine 10. If hee be not able really and playnly either to iustifie his owne cause or to disproue ours as he walketh by night himselfe so he may do well to keepe his conceits secret and to talke of them by night rather then by day credit he can winne none by his vaine babling rayling or lying Finally either let him acquit himselfe like a braue fellow or els desist from his odious termes of odious stuffe paued faces desperat dealing treachery legerdermain Pag. 86.87.82 false packing crafty conueyance filthie fardle of fowle lyes and such like And let him not thinke that he shall winne any thing with such courses For nothing can be deuised more odious and desperate then the cause of the wicked préestes of Baal Neither did euer any sect vse more cogging iugling or lewd impostures then the Papistes to conclude this point nothing is more easie thē to declaime against the Pope and the préestes of Baal and their impostures fraudes vilenyes superstitions trecheries blasphemies and all their abominations I would therefore aduise this paltry fellow to beware that he giue me not iust occasion to take the like course against his consorts I assure him I shall make all the packe of them infamous to posteritie In the second obseruation he saith further that hee will touch one lye of mine and that he saith is knowne to be one both to Spayne and Italy But vnlesse Spayne and Italy doe vnderstand English in which toung I wrote it can hardly be knowne to these two countries vnlesse by Spayne and Italy he vnderstand bastardly and vnnatural rinegat English which are either Italianated or turned Turke or Spanish beside that it must néeds be a strangelye that hath filled two so great contries and not vnlike their phantasticall corpus domini that is really in Spayne and Italy and euery altar as the Papish fansie at one time Let vs therefore heare him tell this wondrous lye and by his testimony the only lye of all my booke set out against these lying and traytorous wardeword Page 84. framed by Robert Parsons He saith that I affirme that Cardinall Allen was in the Spanish armado he should say armada in the yeare 1588 and that I repeat it diuers times and namely as he quoteth in the margent reply p. 61. p. 98. 110. But what if I did not once name the Spanish armada when I talke of Allans comming against his contry was not this lying companion armed with a Vizor of impudency where he talketh of lying to lye so grossely I hope his best frends will not deny it well then let vs sée what my words are that Owlyglasse taketh hold on I say in my reply p. 62. that anno 1588. diuers rinegat English and among the rest Cardinall Allen came with the Spaniardes to fight against their countrie I say againe pag. 98. that Cardinall came with the Spaniardes anno 1588. With fire and sword to destroy this lande In my challenge p. 110. I say cardinall Allen and not so little as a hundred preistes came with the Spanish army And out of these words he gathereth that I say he was in the spanish armada but he was blind that could not sée that there is great difference betwixt an army and an armada that signifieth a fléete betwixt the Spanish forces and the Spanish fléete And a great wonder it is that an hispaniolized english masse préest should no better vnderstand either spanish or English Although then it were true that Cardinall Allen was not in the fléete yet was he to come with the Spanish Armie Neither is there any vntruth in my wordes as appeareth by the testimony of Allen himselfe in his wicked libell to the nobilitie and people of England and Ireland where he writeth thus I hope euerie man will beleue Allen himselfe and his owne words before the base fellow our aduersarie that was not priuy to all his treasons Thus much my good Lords and deare friends I haue thought good to forewarne you of the whole cause of these present sacred warres and of his holinesse and Catholike maiesties sincere intention therein both their incomparable affections towards our nation whereof I could giue you farre more comfortable intelligence if I were personally present with you as I trust I shall be verie shortly For that is fully meant by his holinesse and by his maiestie and of me so much desired that euerie short day seemeth a long yeare till I enioy you in our Lord. Note I pray you that by the Popes speciall appointment and the king of Spaines good liking that vnnaturall Cardinal was to come with the Spanish army against his countrey Note also how much this traytor desired this inuasion and howe that he thought euery short day a yeare vntill it was accomplished He saith also that the Pope preferred him to a high function intending to send him as his legat with full commission and commandement to treate and deale from time to time as well with the states of the Realme as with his holinesse and the kings maiestie for the sweeter managing of this godly and great affaire Doe you not sée and is it not plaine by the Cardinals owne confession that this swéete Cardinall was appointed a principall commander in that swéete action wherin he swéetly intended to cut our throates And yet this sowre varlet in sowre termes giueth me the lie for making him one of these inuadors that meant to destroy this our natiue countrey which all honest men of which Owlyglasse is none with all their power ought to defend against such traitors as Allen was But saith Owlyglasse Card. Allen was neuer out of Italy but eyther at Rome or at Grotta Fe●rata Suppose he were not yet might he be of the party and so farre engaged as I related for the Spanish forces and army was not then drawne togither but part was in the lowe countries and France and no small parts yet remaining in Italy and Spaine And certes if the Cardinal was not come in person to the army yet was he of the army and to come with it as appeareth not onely by his owne wordes but also by the testimony of many others that well knew it and in not comming he was to be taken as a desertor and so to be punished But that he that was in the way towards England and when he heard of the discomfiture of the Spanish fleete turned aside to wéepe at Grotta Ferrata deseruing rather to be strangled as a traytor in Cauea Ferrata then to take the fresh ayre

at Grotta Ferrata if that were materiall it will be verified by diuers priests if they be asked on their othes Why any man should beléeue this lying compagnion that speaketh without proofe or probabilitie there is neither colour nor cause He excepteth also against that which I say of the number of Priests that were likewise to come with the Spanish army and thinketh that a hundred Priests could not then bee found there being then but two Seminaries Rome and Rhemes and not aboue fiftie in both But he should be an eloquent fellow that could perswade me to beléeue that lying mate without all proofe Why I should beleeue the contrary I can alleadge good reasons For first this being the ende of the erection of the Seminaries to reduce England vnderneath the Popes yoke we are not to doubt but that all the English of the Seminaries should haue béene emploied in that action and the whole sinke of treason let out Secondly albeit in the Seminaries there were not so many Priests to be found yet might that number haue béene filled vp by diuers other priests that liued here and there dispersed Her Maiesty hauing dismissed and banished aboue fiftie priests that deserued death by her lawes rather then banishment not past two or thrée yeares before These therefore and others should haue come into England Neither would that barking curre Stapleton haue fayled if he could haue séene opportunitie to hurt those against which he had so long barked Thirdly diuers priests now in Englād testifie that many priests were to come with the Spanish forces Finally Allen in his wicked libell reporteth that priests came with the Spanish forces to serue euerie mans spirituall necessities But how could that be vnlesse the number were competent Among the rest I am enformed that R. Parsons should haue come with his assistants and whole councell of reformation and that to auoide idlenesse in the meane time he holpe to write and publish the most wicked declaration of Sixtus quintus against her Maiestie It may be also Owlyglasse had an ore if not in the fléete yet in the army or els was in England to attend the comming of it Let him therefore thanke God that he is not sought out and punished as a traytor that endeuoureth to plead the cause of traytors And let all indifferent men iudge whether I haue not said truely and he most falsely both concerning Allen and the Priests The third obseruation as he saith is that my deali●… doth declare the weakenesse of the cause I maintaine the little conscience I possesse and small learning I am maister of For so it pleaseth our great maister Owlyglasse in a pang of popish zeale to rayle And his reasons are for that a good cause needeth not the helpe of lies and a good conscience will not be strained beyond the limits of truth and sinceritie These venerable sentences the execrable Iebusites and massepriests pare and pole most dispiteously as their poling indexes expurgatorie and their treatises in the Popes cause plentifully declare nor pare nor pole the venerable sentences of antiquitie nor a man of learning frame such arguments as flie ouer his aduersaries and may be driuen backe vpon his owne head And this he speaketh standing vpon his tiptoes and looking vpon himselfe very prowdly and verily beléeuing that he hath spoken very brauely and almost eloquently But if he had better looked vpon himselfe his conscience and cause he would haue extended more fauour to vs his poore friends himselfe being a sot of 24. carats and deuoid of all learning and conscience hauing giuen proofe of his learning in his miserable detection and hauing his conscience grounded on the cases of conscience resolued by Allen and Parsons and Peter Nauarrus that teach men against all conscience to play the villaines and so a man stand for the Pope to sweare and forsweare and finally to doe what a man list so he haue the Popes faculties for it And what face had he to talke of sinceritie his cause standing vpon falsifying of fathers lying of legends counterfaiting traditions rayling vpon innocents cogging of fabulous histories and vpon deuising of fraudes and impostures to abuse the world His want of learning I say is proued by his weake and base talent of writing wherein it appeareth he could not so much as tell how to frame a sentence or how to vnderstand the things he handleth Alleadging but two words of latin pag. 30. he sheweth he can no latin vsing the plurall for the singular saying prope initia where a latinist would haue said prope initium or rather in principio quoting one verse he marreth it pag. 4. his testimonies are Hierom Verdussen and English almanacks such proofes as a man may haue three or foure for a groate his arguments are such as I haue declared in my answere His want of conscience may I say appeare by the most damnable resolutions of cases of conscience of Nauarrus and other Romish casuistes and especially the resolutions of Allen and Parsons Vide resolut casuum conscientiae nationis Anglicanae per A. P. two rather diuels then diuines teaching nothing but how their schollers may forsweare themselues deny their names and profession and play the traitors in which cases of conscience Owlyglasse without conscience séemeth to be well practised The third is made manifest by the fabulous lies of Caesar Baronius lying Romish legendes counterfeit canons and writings lately published and such euidence as I shall in part hereafter discouer and that to the great griefe of this detector if he be not a man stupide altogether and sencelesse This also doth touch the cause of poperie in generall for if a good cause néede not to be supported with lies and fables then is the Popes cause very bad that cannot stande without lies If a good conscience will not be strayned beyond the limits of truth and sinceritie nor pare nor pole the venerable sentences of antiquitie then hath Bellarmine and Parsons no good conscience For Parsons maketh no conscience to tell any lies as I haue prooued in my answere to his woodden wardword and the priestes haue notoriously prooued in all their bookes against him and his trecherous faction Againe then haue the Iebusites no conscience that lie and falsifie according to the rules of their order and that most shamefully Le catechisme de Iesuites as is proued in their Catechisme Thirdly then hath the Pope no conscience that by his lewde and trecherous indexes and by his Talmudicall traditions and peruerse expositions hath taken a course to corrupt both scriptures and fathers If they haue no learning whose arguments conclude not effectually but may be retorted backe vpon the faces of the proponentes then if Owlyglasse be iudge neither hath Bellarmine nor Stapleton any learning For in diuers of our treatises we haue made their arguments to rebound backe vpon them As for my selfe I referre my cause to be tried by any indifferent man that shall reade Owlyglasses obiections

there hath béene some difference betwéene priuat persons about ceremonies and gouernment and that without disagréement in religion yet now all that quarrell to the great griefe of Owlyglasse and his consorts is ended and all godly christians iointly concurre to the repressing of the seditious massepriests and their adherents that by faction and heresie seeke to vndermine both the Church and state In this obseruation he goeth about also to prooue that I doe not séeme to allow the doctrine established in this church of England But as in the rest so in this Owlyglasse doth but trifle I doe holde I confesse that baptisme is not so necessarie but that diuers may and haue beene saued without it especially where there is no contempt committed in procuring it Further I doe beléeue that it is vnlawfull for women to take vpon them to administer baptisme and doe aduise in case of extremitie all christians to procure the ministers presence Thirdly I doe vtterly condemne the doctrine of the papistes concerning their limbus patrum Fourthly I doe much mislike their superstitious stationary obambulations about the limits of parishes for the blessing of new corne and their superstitious letanies and ceremonies vsed in the fame Fiftly I deny that euer the catholike church had any precepts or canons to forbid mariages on such daies and in such sort and for such respects as the Romish Church doth practise Sixtly I doe beléeue that Luthers opinion absolutely considered in it selfe is not a fundamentall point of religion especially if we giue his wordes a fauourable construction Finally I accompt none to be true christians and professours that make no conscience of sinne and liue not according to their profession But what of all this doe I therefore teach contrarie to any point of doctrine maintained by the church of England so Owlyglasse my good friend would insinuate But his proofes are simple and his assertions most false He saith Page 111. that the Church of England teacheth that baptisme is necessarie to saluation But the booke which he alleadgeth out of which he cannot bring one word to prooue his saying doth conuince him both of lying and impudencie Secondly he affirmeth that to deny womens baptisme is contrarie to religion established But it is not contrarie to his religion to lie and face out lies most impudently Thirdly to prooue that our church beléeueth limbus patrum he should haue alleadged our confession and not a certaine verset of the créede in méeter Beside that in that verset nothing is said but that Christ illuminated those that sate in darknesse which is nothing to limbus patrum a place that cannot be illuminated as papistes holde Further that verset may be rather an exposition of the words of the song of Zacharie Luke 2. of the illumination of the ignorant and of the like wordes of the Prophet Esay chap. 9. then an assertion of limbus pactum Fourthly the papists in their perambulations of parishes vse to blesse or rather to exorcise corne and to say most wicked litanyes They vse also diuers superstitious ceremonies which vnlesse Owlyglasse prooue to be allowed by our Church he will prooue himselfe a cogging compagnion Fifthly he talketh of prohibitions of the solemnizations of mariages at certaine times but he alleadgeth neither lawe nor record to prooue that our Church alloweth either the doctrine or the ceremonies of the Romish congregation in this point And there whither he sendeth vs we finde nothing but the testimonie of an Almanacke Sixtly albeit the church of England doth not holde Luthers real presence of Christes body in the sacrament yet cannot the detractor shewe but that his opinion may be reconciled with the Christian faith if a man will not vrge those points that follow of that doctrine too seuerely and further percase then at the first Luther himselfe allowed them If a man doe gather what doth followe of it then is the doctrine dangerous as I and others confesse Finally he doth not so much as go about to shewe that I haue deliuered any thing contrary to the doctrine of our Church where I affirme that good life is as well required in a true professour as true faith Why then is this point touched in this place Doth it grieue him that I touch the filthy Sodomiticall priests and friers and shut that abhominable generation out of Gods church It séemeth so and therefore to requite me he saith that this doctrine may touch me for that I haue falsified and maliciously corrupted the fathers But if I haue cleared my selfe of all those matters that he hath laide to my charge I hope the vanitie of his collection will manifestly appeare to all indifferent men But hee poore ideot appeareth not but séeing the Romish Church and diuers of her principall pillers to be charged with notorious lies and falsifications passeth away in silence and is not able to answere one worde Nay hee leaueth his clients in the briers and signifieth for ought he can doe they must pleade for themselues Wherefore to leaue off further to vrge this distressed followe that is able to say nothing for the defence of them whom he doth principally fauour I may well conclude séeing the arguments which I brought in my Challenge stand immooueable and the detectors exceptions are prooued to be vaine and friuolous first that the Romish church is not the true Church of Christ Iesus Secondly that the religion of Papists is neither auncient nor catholike Thirdly that all papists maintaining the doctrine of the Pope and his adherents are heretikes Fourthly that such as embrace popish religion are idolaters Fifthly that all the Popes adherents and agents that haue suffered for his cause in England are to be reputed no better then disloyall traytors and not as some would haue it Martyres Finally that my aduersary by his friuolous obiections hath much confirmed and strengthened our cause against which he was not able to obiect any one thing of moment and iustified my allegations being not able to take any iust exception against any thing said by me nor to obiect any thing which is not fully answered CHAP. IIII. Of diuers falsities committed by the Popes and Church of Rome IF our aduersarie had well remembred his promise he ought not onely to haue conuinced me of vntruthes corruptions contradictions and falsifications according to the title of his pamphlet but also of maliciousnesse and wilfulnesse for so he vaunteth he will I challenge the challenger saith he of many malicious vntruthes Cap. 1. pag. 8. and many palpable and wilfull falsifications But when it commeth to performance of corruptions he saith nothing contradictions he toucheth slenderly vntruthes and falsifications he can by no meanes fasten vpon me The qualitie of maliciousnes and wilfulnesse being a matter purposed and fully promised he vtterly forgot In the rest how poorely he hath demeaned himselfe by my answere to his whole dispute it will appeare But suppose I had either mistaken a report misalleadged a place yet