devotion_n of_o the_o people_n by_o the_o ministry_n of_o angel_n through_o the_o merit_n of_o the_o martyr_n or_o else_o whether_o it_o be_v do_v both_o way_n this_o he_o say_v he_o dare_v not_o define_v confess_v and_o teach_v evident_o as_o much_o as_o we_o require_v in_o this_o matter_n to_o wit_n that_o devout_a people_n be_v certain_o help_v by_o the_o martyr_n neither_o be_v it_o to_o be_v wonder_v that_o s._n augustine_n will_v not_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o determine_v how_o the_o same_o be_v wrought_v say_v that_o even_o in_o ordinary_a and_o natural_a thing_n the_o effect_n be_v evident_a and_o certain_a and_o yet_o the_o cause_n be_v many_o time_n either_o uncertayn_a or_o else_o whole_o unknown_a which_o be_v to_o be_v grant_v much_o more_o in_o supernatural_a and_o miraculous_a event_n 12.13.14.15.16_o as_o i_o have_v show_v evident_o in_o the_o last_o chapter_n where_o i_o have_v confute_v such_o another_o ridiculous_a argument_n of_o he_o against_o prayer_n to_o saint_n 44._o and_o albeit_o he_o have_v resolve_v that_o the_o saint_n themselves_o do_v not_o appear_v or_o assist_v at_o their_o tomb_n but_o angel_n in_o their_o shape_n and_o likeness_n yet_o it_o can_v not_o be_v say_v but_o that_o apparition_n be_v they_o be_v make_v by_o god_n express_a ordinance_n for_o their_o merit_n in_o their_o name_n and_o likeness_n and_o for_o the_o benefit_n of_o those_o that_o expect_v and_o crave_v their_o help_n especial_o see_v it_o be_v usual_o say_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n that_o god_n speak_v and_o appear_v to_o 18._o abraham_n and_o moses_n 3._o when_o nevertheless_o it_o be_v do_v by_o the_o ministry_n of_o angel_n and_o not_o in_o any_o shape_n that_o can_v represent_v he_o and_o therefore_o s._n augustinâ—_n have_v great_a reason_n to_o say_v that_o s._n felix_n appear_v and_o that_o the_o martyr_n per_fw-la divinam_fw-la potentiam_fw-la vivorum_fw-la rebus_fw-la intersunt_fw-la be_v by_o the_o divine_a power_n present_a at_o the_o do_n or_o affair_n of_o man_n although_o afterward_o he_o move_v a_o question_n concern_v the_o manner_n of_o it_o and_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o it_o may_v be_v do_v by_o the_o ministry_n of_o angel_n hereby_o than_o it_o appear_v that_o this_o place_n of_o s._n augustine_n so_o clear_o prove_v the_o apparition_n of_o saint_n and_o that_o man_n be_v help_v by_o they_o prayer_n and_o merit_n that_o m._n andrews_n have_v no_o other_o way_n to_o shift_v it_o off_o handsome_o but_o to_o omit_v the_o word_n of_o s._n augustine_n as_o of_o small_a moment_n and_o testify_v only_o a_o sleight_n matter_n of_o hearsay_n i_o may_v add_v diverse_a other_o of_o this_o kind_n but_o i_o omit_v they_o for_o brevity_n sake_n and_o the_o rather_o for_o that_o they_o be_v common_o mix_v with_o other_o kind_n of_o fraud_n whereof_o i_o shall_v have_v occasion_n to_o speak_v hereafter_o and_o therefore_o i_o will_v now_o proceed_v to_o other_o of_o more_o importance_n namely_o his_o egregious_a abuse_n of_o author_n partly_o in_o wrest_v &_o pervert_v their_o sense_n &_o partly_o in_o the_o corrupt_a &_o fraudulent_a citation_n of_o they_o in_o which_o kind_n you_o have_v already_o see_v m._n barlow_v talon_n whereby_o you_o shall_v be_v able_a to_o judge_v whether_o of_o they_o excel_v therein_o 45._o first_o then_o i_o will_v begin_v with_o his_o abuse_n of_o the_o cardinal_n who_o to_o show_v that_o the_o protestant_n in_o england_n do_v not_o entire_o hold_v the_o creed_n of_o athanasius_n tertium_fw-la propose_v the_o article_n concern_v the_o day_n of_o judgement_n when_o every_o one_o say_v athanasius_n be_v to_o render_v account_n de_fw-la factis_fw-la proprijs_fw-la of_o his_o own_o act_n and_o those_o which_o have_v do_v well_o shall_v go_v to_o life_n everlasting_a and_o those_o which_o have_v do_v evil_a shall_v go_v to_o eternal_a fire_n whereupon_o the_o cardinnll_n say_v thus_o in_o quibus_fw-la verbis_fw-la confitemur_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o which_o word_n of_o athanasius_n we_o confess_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v a_o last_o judgement_n wherein_o the_o just_a judge_n will_v render_v to_o every_o one_o according_a to_o the_o quality_n of_o his_o deed_n to_o some_o the_o crown_n of_o justice_n and_o to_o other_o eternal_a punishment_n and_o shame_n for_o if_o life_n everlasting_a shall_v be_v give_v to_o the_o faithful_a not_o for_o the_o merit_n of_o work_n but_o in_o respect_n of_o faith_n and_o of_o christ_n righteousness_n merciful_o impute_v unto_o they_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o need_n of_o judgement_n nor_o of_o examination_n of_o deed_n neither_o be_v it_o needful_a that_o there_o shall_v come_v a_o just_a judge_n but_o a_o merciful_a father_n neither_o that_o we_o shall_v render_v any_o reason_n of_o our_o deed_n but_o show_v christ_n justice_n impute_v unto_o we_o and_o apprehend_v by_o faith_n therefore_o the_o king_n can_v believe_v this_o article_n if_o he_o believe_v with_o calvin_n and_o the_o protestant_n that_o all_o the_o work_n of_o just_a man_n be_v sin_n 14._o for_o these_o be_v caluin_n word_n no_o work_n can_v pass_v from_o holy_a man_n which_o do_v not_o deserve_v the_o just_a reward_n of_o shame_n 46._o and_o what_o account_n shall_v just_a man_n be_v able_a to_o make_v of_o their_o own_o deed_n unto_o christ_n the_o judge_n if_o all_o their_o work_n be_v vicious_a and_o deserve_v the_o just_a reward_n of_o reproach_n and_o if_o just_a man_n shall_v not_o be_v able_a to_o give_v account_n of_o their_o deed_n true_o the_o unjust_a shall_v be_v much_o less_o able_a to_o do_v it_o to_o what_o purpose_n then_o shall_v we_o all_o stand_v before_o the_o tribunal_n of_o christ_n to_o render_v account_n of_o our_o own_o action_n but_o perhaps_o they_o will_v say_v that_o all_o the_o work_n of_o the_o just_o be_v unclean_a and_o filthy_a but_o their_o filth_n shall_v be_v cover_v by_o the_o mercy_n of_o god_n and_o the_o work_v repute_v as_o clean_o to_o the_o faithful_a for_o christ._n but_o if_o this_o be_v true_a then_o shall_v there_o be_v no_o need_n as_o i_o have_v say_v before_o of_o the_o justice_n of_o a_o judge_n but_o of_o the_o mercy_n of_o a_o father_n and_o liberality_n of_o a_o prince_n therefore_o to_o what_o purpose_n do_v the_o article_n of_o the_o creed_n say_v that_o christ_n shall_v come_v to_o judge_v the_o quick_a and_o the_o dead_a and_o that_o all_o man_n shall_v render_v account_n of_o their_o own_o deed_n and_o why_o do_v the_o apostle_n say_v reposita_fw-la est_fw-la mihi_fw-la corona_fw-la iustitiae_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o crown_n of_o justice_n be_v lay_v up_o for_o i_o 1._o which_o the_o just_a judge_n will_v give_v i_o in_o that_o day_n and_o why_o do_v his_o fellow_n apostle_n peter_n say_v in_o like_a sort_n &_o si_fw-la patrem_fw-la invocatis_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o if_o you_o invocate_v or_o call_v upon_o the_o father_n 16._o he_o which_o judge_v without_o acception_n of_o person_n according_a to_o the_o work_n of_o every_o man_n converse_v you_o with_o fear_n in_o the_o time_n of_o your_o sojourn_v or_o dwell_v here_o and_o final_o why_o do_v our_o lord_n who_o will_v come_v to_o judge_v foretell_v that_o he_o will_v come_v with_o his_o angel_n to_o render_v to_o every_o one_o according_a to_o his_o work_n 47._o all_o this_o say_v the_o cardinal_n concern_v this_o matter_n which_o i_o have_v lay_v down_o thus_o large_o to_o the_o end_n you_o may_v see_v as_o well_o his_o sound_a discourse_n ground_v upon_o express_a scripture_n as_o the_o malice_n of_o m._n andrew_n pervert_v and_o wrest_v the_o same_o to_o another_o sense_n then_o ever_o the_o cardinal_n mean_v and_o there_o fore_o crafty_o leave_v out_o of_o the_o cardinal_n text_n all_o that_o which_o touch_v calvin_n doctrine_n concern_v the_o impurity_n and_o uncleanes_n of_o the_o best_a work_n which_o point_n the_o cardinal_n especial_o impugn_v urge_v that_o if_o calvin_n doctrine_n be_v true_a in_o that_o behalf_n than_o be_v the_o justice_n of_o god_n in_o the_o iugement_n and_o examination_n of_o work_n needle_n and_o only_o his_o mercy_n and_o liberality_n requisite_a whereby_o the_o cardinal_n exclude_v not_o god_n mercy_n from_o his_o judgement_n as_o you_o shall_v hear_v even_o now_o m._n andrews_n charge_v he_o but_o infer_v 3._o inference_n thing_n upon_o the_o article_n of_o the_o creed_n against_o calvin_n doctrine_n the_o first_o that_o just_a man_n work_n which_o be_v to_o be_v just_o examine_v judge_v and_o reward_v with_o eternal_a life_n be_v not_o damnable_a sin_n as_o calvin_n teach_v they_o to_o be_v the_o second_o that_o man_n shall_v not_o be_v save_v only_o by_o their_o faith_n and_o the_o imputation_n of_o christ_n justice_n but_o also_o by_o the_o merit_n of_o good_a work_n and_o the_o three_o follow_v direct_o of_o the_o former_a to_o wit_n that_o the_o only_a mercy_n and_o
4.5_o §._o locus_fw-la pag._n 48._o lin_v 14._o supra_fw-la chap._n 6._o s._n chrysost._n ho._n 20._o in_o ep_n ad_fw-la corin._n zozomen_n lib._n 7._o cap._n 24._o the_o emperor_n theodosius_n invocate_v saint_n &_o namely_o s._n john_n baptist_n andr._n p._n 45._o §._o locus_fw-la this_o be_v to_o give_v checkmate_n to_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n at_o once_o and_o be_v there_o not_o one_o of_o all_o these_o great_a clerk_n that_o understand_v the_o scripture_n as_o well_o as_o this_o mynisterâ—_n â—_o tim._n 3._o matth._n 28._o it_o be_v prove_v by_o manifest_a experience_n that_o saint_n do_v hear_v our_o prayer_n &_o help_v us._n see_v chap._n 6._o theodorâ—_n de_fw-fr graec._n affect_v curan_fw-mi lib._n 8._o 8._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o ancient_a custom_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n to_o hang_v up_o votive_a representation_n of_o hand_n foot_n eye_n and_o such_o like_a in_o church_n to_o testify_v the_o recovery_n of_o bodily_a health_n by_o the_o intercession_n of_o saint_n andr._n p._n 40._o lin_v 5._o a_o very_a simple_a discourse_n of_o m._n andrews_n how_o saint_n may_v understand_v and_o know_v our_o prayer_n and_o action_n 4._o reg._n c._n 5._o s._n aug._n l._n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mort_fw-fr c._n 12._o ibid._n ca._n 15._o see_v chap._n 9_o nu_fw-la 42.43_o &_o 44._o s._n aug._n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr civit._n dei_fw-la cap._n 9_o lact._n li._n 7._o cap._n 21._o bern._n ser._n 3._o de_fw-la omnib_fw-la sanct._n bellar._n de_fw-fr sanct_n feaâ—it_fw-la lib._n 1._o c._n 4._o &_o 5._o ibid._n cap._n 1._o s._n aug._n to._n 2._o â—p_n 86._o idem_fw-la ep_n 118._o the_o force_n and_o validity_n of_o ecclesiastical_a custom_n s._n hiero._n contra_fw-la lucifer_n câ—_n 4â—_n tertul._n de_fw-fr corona_fw-la mil._n cap._n 3._o see_v supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 41._o sozom._n bist_fw-ge lib._n 7._o cap._n 24._o s._n chryso_n ho._n 26._o in_o ep_n ad_fw-la corinth_n see_v baron_n a_o â—97_n in_o fine_a &_o in_o â—nno_fw-la 407._o s._n paulinus_n ep_n 12._o add_v sever_v card._n apolâ—_n p._n â—7_n andr._n p._n 4â—_n §_o postquam_fw-la the_o testimony_n of_o s._n paulin_n for_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n defend_v against_o m._n andrews_n see_v before_o nu_fw-la 6._o s._n aug._n ser._n 17._o dâ—_n verb._n apostol_n pa._n 18._o m._n andrews_n his_o answer_n to_o a_o place_n of_o s._n augustine_n examine_v and_o confute_v andr._n p._n 46._o §._o at._n a_o most_o vain_a and_o ridiculous_a brag_n of_o m._n andrews_n s_o aug._n the_o civet_n dei_fw-la l._n 22â—_n ca._n 10._o a_o childish_a discourse_n of_o m._n andrews_n contain_v three_o foolish_a demand_n touch_v the_o invocation_n which_o s._n augustine_n say_v be_v due_a to_o god_n alone_a chap._n 6._o nu_fw-la 2._o &_o seq_n ibid._n the_o true_a sense_n of_o s._n augustinâ—_n declare_v the_o invocation_n whereof_o s._n augustin_n speak_v be_v properâ—_n to_o priestly_a function_n and_o not_o to_o be_v use_v but_o in_o sacrifice_n s._n augustine_n do_v no_o way_n impugn_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n in_o the_o place_n allege_v by_o m._n andrews_n m._n andrews_n do_v seem_v to_o confound_v the_o priest_n with_o the_o people_n mass_n with_o matin_n and_o the_o altar_n with_o every_o other_o place_n three_o foolish_a demand_n of_o m._n andrews_n answer_v according_a to_o s_o augustin_n meaning_n m._n andrews_n his_o extravagant_a and_o foolish_a gloss_n upon_o saint_n augustin_n place_n object_v by_o the_o cardinal_n s._n augustine_n express_a doctrine_n concern_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n s._n aug._n in_o lib._n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro._n mort_fw-fr cap._n 4._o a_o notable_a miracle_n recount_v by_o s._n augustine_n s._n aug._n the_o civet_n dei_fw-la lib._n 22._o c._n 8._o a_o inference_n upon_o the_o miracle_n relate_v by_o s._n augustine_n the_o conclusion_n of_o this_o chapter_n touch_v the_o vanity_n of_o m._n andrews_n &_o the_o conformity_n of_o s._n augustine_n with_o the_o other_o father_n allege_v by_o the_o cardinal_n for_o prayer_n to_o saint_n andr._n p._n 39_o §._o neque_fw-la m._n andrews_n confidence_n in_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n theodoret_n notable_o abuse_v by_o m_n andrews_n coloss._n 2._o theodoret._n in_o c._n â—_o ep_n ad_fw-la colossâ—n_n m._n andrews_n abuse_v the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n andr._n p._n 39_o §._o neque_fw-la the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n forbid_v idolatry_n to_o angel_n &_o not_o prayer_n â—o_z they_o theodorâ—t_n in_o 3._o coloss._n theodoret_n his_o meaning_n clear_o explicate_v by_o his_o own_o word_n theodoret_n forbid_v such_o prayer_n to_o angel_n as_o exclude_v the_o mediation_n of_o christ._n council_n laodic_n cap._n 35._o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n what_o kind_n of_o idolatry_n be_v do_v to_o angel_n by_o the_o phrygian_n rom._n 15._o 1._o cor._n 1._o thess._n 3._o colos._n 4._o josue_n 5._o dan._n 10._o judith_n 13._o act._n 12._o matth._n 18._o 1._o cor._n 11._o s._n dionys._n areop_n eccles_n hier._n c._n 9_o s._n justin_n mart._n quaest_n 30._o clemens_n alexand._n li._n 5._o storm_n origen_n ho._n 8._o in_o gen._n &_o alibipassim_fw-la s._n basil._n ho._n in_o psal._n 33._o s._n chrysost._n ho._n 3._o ad_fw-la c._n 1._o ad_fw-la colos._n theodor._n ad_fw-la cap._n 10._o daniel_n &_o in_o genes_n quae_n 3._o s._n hilar._n ad_fw-la psal._n 129._o &_o ca._n 18._o in_o mat._n s._n hiâ—ron_n ad_fw-la ca._n 66._o esai_n s._n ambros._n l._n de_fw-la viduis_fw-la s._n aug._n in_o soliloquijâ—_n cap._n 27._o theodor._n in_o gâ—nes_n quaest_n â—â—_o m._n andrews_n must_v reform_v his_o understanding_n of_o theodoret_n the_o place_n of_o s._n paul_n forbid_v the_o religion_n of_o angel_n explicate_v explicate_v tertul._n de_fw-fr praesor_fw-la cap._n 23._o in_o finâ—_n finâ—_n iraeâ—â—â—â—_n lib._n 1._o c._n 25._o tertul._n de_fw-fr praescrip_n cap._n 4â—_n s._n epiphaâ—_n haer_fw-mi 28._o s._n chryso_n in_o 2._o ad_fw-la 〈◊〉_d oecum_fw-la theoph._n in_o hunc_fw-la locum_fw-la s._n hieron_n q._n 10._o ad_fw-la algasiaâ—_n haymo_n in_o ep_n ad_fw-la colos._n cap._n 2._o the_o conclusion_n 〈◊〉_d m._n andrews_n his_o objection_n out_o of_o theodoret_n see_v before_o chap._n 7._o 〈◊〉_d 44._o another_o objection_n of_o m._n anâ—drews_n answer_v touch_v the_o question_n whether_o saint_n do_v hear_v we_o and_o how_o they_o see_v or_o know_v our_o action_n action_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d before_o chap._n 7._o nu_fw-la 42_o 4â—_n &_o seq_n anâ—r_n pag._n 34._o ut_fw-la hoc_fw-la tamen_fw-la many_o effect_n evident_a though_o their_o cause_n be_v secret_a and_o unknown_a and_o first_o of_o natural_a effect_n the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v grant_v much_o more_o in_o supernatural_a thing_n thing_n pa._n 37._o §._o ut_fw-la hoc_fw-la s._n aug._n the_o civet_n li_z 22._o cap._n 8._o idem_fw-la ibid._n c._n â—_o m._n andrews_n convince_v by_o that_o which_o he_o grant_v elsewhere_o elsewhere_o andâ—_n p._n 40._o §._o non_fw-fr verâ—â—_n andr._n p._n 37._o §._o ut_fw-la hoc_fw-la upon_o what_o ground_n the_o doctrine_n that_o saint_n do_v hear_v our_o prayer_n be_v found_v luc._n 1â—_n luc._n 20._o â—_o reg._n 9_o â—_o reg._n 5._o ibid._n cap._n â—_o act._n 7._o apoc._n â—â—_o s._n atha_n q._n 11._o the_o father_n plain_o testify_v that_o the_o saint_n do_v know_v all_o our_o action_n in_o earth_n s._n basil_n dâ—_n vera_fw-la virginitate_fw-la paulo_fw-la ante_fw-la medium_n s._n ambros._n de_fw-fr viduis_fw-la apoc._n 14._o vigilaâ—â—â—_n â—â—_z theodoret_n de_fw-fr graec._n â—ffect_n cuâ—â—_n lib._n 8._o â—_o chrys._n ho._n â—â—_o in_o ep_n ad_fw-la corinth_n s._n aug._n li._n â—â—_o de_fw-fr civet_n 〈◊〉_d cap._n â—â—_o â—_o reg._n â—_o s._n greg._n li._n 12._o moral_a cap._n 14._o idem_fw-la li._n 4._o dial._n ca._n 33._o a_o good_a deduction_n upon_o m._n andrews_n his_o own_o grant_n grant_n s._n cyprian_n li._n de_fw-fr mortalit_fw-la item_n ep_n 57_o 57_o andr._n pag._n 37._o §._o omnia_fw-la item_n p._n 46._o lin_v 9_o andr._n p._n 4._o §._o non_fw-fr verè_fw-la a_o brief_a recapitulation_n of_o the_o reason_n whereupon_o be_v ground_v the_o doctrine_n that_o saint_n hear_v our_o prayer_n see_v before_o nu_fw-la 13_o &_o 14._o another_o silly_a shift_n of_o m._n andrews_n andr_n cap._n 1_o p._n 37._o §._o verum_fw-la deut._n 12._o m._n andrews_n be_v so_o scrupulous_a that_o he_o dare_v do_v nothing_o without_o â—_o precept_n or_o example_n in_o scripture_n his_o impertinent_a allegation_n of_o scripture_n deut._n 12._o a_o explication_n of_o the_o place_n of_o deuteronomy_n allege_v by_o m._n andrews_n hest._n 9_o judith_n ca._n ult._n 1._o machab._n 4._o joan._n 10._o m._n andrews_n hardly_o press_v by_o his_o own_o argument_n gal._n 5._o how_o argument_n may_v be_v deduce_v from_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n see_v chap._n 1._o nu_fw-la 14.15_o &_o 16._o m._n andrews_n his_o argument_n prove_v himself_o to_o be_v a_o jew._n matth._n 28._o â—_o thes._n 2._o 2._o hom._n
ambrose_n speak_v be_v special_a mean_n to_o apply_v unto_o we_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o christ_n and_o in_o that_o respect_n the_o father_n say_v that_o they_o satisfy_v for_o we_o wash_v away_o blot_v out_o and_o purge_v our_o sin_n to_o wit_n as_o secondary_a cause_n that_o have_v their_o operation_n by_o the_o virtue_n and_o force_v of_o the_o first_o cause_n which_o be_v the_o merit_n of_o our_o saviour_n passion_n and_o therefore_o if_o a_o man_n shall_v say_v that_o a_o physician_n have_v save_v his_o life_n he_o can_v not_o with_o reason_n be_v think_v to_o derogate_v any_o thing_n either_o from_o the_o operation_n of_o the_o medicine_n or_o from_o the_o providence_n or_o power_n of_o god_n who_o give_v force_n to_o the_o medicine_n and_o good_a success_n to_o the_o physician_n as_o neither_o he_o that_o shall_v say_v the_o medicine_n save_v his_o life_n can_v be_v think_v to_o do_v injury_n either_o to_o god_n or_o to_o the_o physician_n 23._o for_o whereas_o many_o cause_n do_v common_o concur_v to_o one_o effect_n malicious_a every_o cause_n may_v well_o be_v say_v to_o work_v the_o effect_n without_o denial_n of_o the_o concurrence_n of_o other_o cause_n and_o especial_o of_o the_o first_o cause_n by_o virtue_n whereof_o all_o the_o rest_n have_v their_o operation_n so_o that_o m._n andrews_n show_v himself_o either_o very_a ignorant_a or_o totoo_o malicious_a in_o say_v that_o s._n ambrose_n make_v the_o blood_n of_o christ_n superfluous_a because_o he_o say_v that_o the_o martyr_n wash_v away_o their_o sin_n with_o their_o own_o blood_n as_o though_o he_o deny_v the_o virtue_n of_o christ_n passion_n by_o ascribe_v remission_n of_o sin_n to_o martyrdom_n which_o be_v a_o inferior_a and_o secondary_a cause_n thereof_o as_o be_v a_o immediate_a mean_n to_o apply_v the_o force_n and_o fruit_n of_o christ_n passion_n unto_o we_o and_o therefore_o whereas_o he_o say_v it_o be_v no_o marvel_n that_o s._n ambrose_n who_o so_o say_v do_v not_o also_o stick_v to_o say_v that_o we_o may_v pray_v to_o saint_n it_o be_v indeed_o no_o marvel_n at_o all_o see_v that_o his_o speech_n be_v in_o both_o most_o conform_a to_o reason_n scripture_n father_n and_o to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o true_o the_o wonder_n be_v that_o any_o modest_a christian_a and_o especial_o one_o that_o pretend_v to_o be_v a_o prelate_n in_o god_n church_n shall_v be_v so_o temerarious_a and_o audacious_a as_o to_o lay_v so_o foul_a a_o imputation_n as_o he_o do_v here_o upon_o one_o of_o the_o most_o holy_a and_o famous_a father_n of_o god_n church_n for_o speak_v only_o in_o such_o sort_n as_o all_o other_o father_n speak_v yea_o the_o scripture_n themselves_o as_o i_o have_v already_o show_v 24._o yea_o but_o s._n ambrose_n change_v his_o mind_n say_v m._n andrew_n in_o the_o late_a point_n to_o wit_n concern_v prayer_n to_o saint_n for_o ambrosio_n poterat_fw-la say_v he_o alibi_fw-la alia_fw-la mens_fw-la provecto_fw-la iam_fw-la meliùs_fw-la edocto_fw-la ambrose_n be_v elsewhere_o of_o another_o mind_n when_o he_o wax_v elder_a and_o be_v better_o learn_v so_o he_o and_o how_o do_v he_o prove_v this_o marry_o for_o sooth_n by_o two_o manifest_a testimony_n of_o he_o as_o he_o say_v for_o thus_o he_o go_v forward_o cvius_fw-la nota_fw-la sententia_fw-la ad_fw-la deum_fw-la suffragatore_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la opus_fw-la rom._n certe_fw-la nec_fw-la obsecratore_fw-la who_o know_a opinion_n or_o sentence_n be_v there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o a_o suffragator_fw-la or_o helper_n to_o god_n nor_o yet_o of_o a_o beseecher_n &_o illa_fw-la theodos_fw-la tu_fw-la solus_fw-la domine_fw-la invocandus_fw-la es_fw-la and_o that_o other_o thou_o only_o o_o lord_n be_v to_o be_v invocate_v thus_o say_v he_o allege_v as_o you_o see_v two_o place_n out_o of_o s._n ambrose_n and_o cite_v for_o the_o former_a his_o commentary_n upon_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o roman_n and_o for_o the_o latter_a his_o funeral_n oration_n upon_o theodosius_n the_o emperor_n but_o in_o the_o former_a you_o may_v note_v partly_o his_o evil_a hap_n and_o partly_o his_o folly_n fortune_n in_o the_o latter_a his_o fraud_n and_o falsehood_n his_o evil_a hap_n be_v manifest_a in_o the_o former_a because_o to_o show_v that_o s._n ambrose_n recall_v his_o doctrine_n which_o he_o have_v deliver_v in_o a_o undoubted_a work_n of_o he_o m._n andrews_n bring_v a_o testimony_n call_v it_o notam_fw-la sententiam_fw-la a_o know_a sentence_n or_o opinion_n of_o s._n ambrose_n albeit_o he_o take_v it_o out_o of_o a_o work_n which_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o diverse_a learned_a man_n be_v not_o write_v by_o s._n ambrose_n and_o so_o perhaps_o m._n andrews_n himself_o will_v tell_v we_o tim._n if_o we_o shall_v object_v against_o he_o out_o of_o that_o commentary_n that_o pope_n damasus_n be_v head_n or_o governor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n because_o we_o read_v there_o cvius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la hodie_fw-la rector_n est_fw-la damasus_n of_o which_o church_n damasus_n be_v governor_n at_o this_o day_n 25._o nevertheless_o i_o say_v not_o this_o because_o i_o mean_v to_o reject_v the_o authority_n of_o that_o commentary_n 7._o have_v allege_v it_o myself_o before_o against_o m._n andrew_n as_o s._n ambrose_n his_o work_n which_o i_o have_v do_v partly_o because_o it_o be_v common_o cite_v under_o his_o name_n be_v among_o his_o other_o work_n and_o no_o other_o author_n of_o it_o know_v and_o partly_o because_o m._n andrews_n himself_o approve_v it_o so_o high_o as_o you_o see_v in_o this_o place_n and_o therefore_o i_o make_v account_v that_o howsoever_o other_o may_v take_v exception_n to_o it_o and_o to_o my_o allegation_n of_o it_o yet_o he_o can_v take_v none_o but_o must_v needs_o admit_v it_o wherein_o also_o i_o wish_v this_o difference_n to_o be_v note_v betwixt_o his_o allegation_n thereof_o and_o i_o that_o i_o do_v not_o whole_o rely_v upon_o the_o authority_n of_o it_o but_o fortify_v it_o with_o a_o most_o pregnant_a place_n take_v out_o of_o a_o know_v and_o assure_a work_n of_o s._n ambrose_n for_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o such_o as_o may_v doubt_v of_o the_o former_a ibidem_fw-la whereas_o he_o be_v drive_v to_o such_o a_o exigent_n as_o you_o have_v see_v that_o be_v to_o say_v facilis_fw-la flat_o to_o deny_v s._n ambrose_n his_o clear_a doctrine_n and_o undertake_v to_o show_v that_o he_o recall_v it_o afterward_o profess_v to_o produce_v a_o undoubted_a and_o know_a testimony_n of_o s._n ambrose_n cite_v nevertheless_o a_o work_n which_o diverse_a learned_a man_n as_o i_o have_v say_v do_v hold_v to_o be_v none_o of_o he_o as_o it_o may_v be_v see_v in_o possevinus_n maldonatus_n cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o other_o which_o i_o say_v i_o can_v but_o ascribe_v to_o some_o evil_a fortune_n that_o haunt_v m._n andrews_n and_o force_v he_o to_o ground_v all_o his_o building_n upon_o such_o weak_a and_o unsure_a foundation_n that_o there_o be_v no_o true_a solidity_n in_o anything_o he_o say_v or_o produce_v out_o of_o other_o 26._o and_o put_v the_o case_n there_o be_v no_o doubt_n at_o all_o to_o be_v make_v of_o the_o author_n of_o that_o commentary_n it_o but_o that_o he_o be_v undoubted_o s._n ambrose_n yet_o m._n andrews_n show_v himself_o not_o only_o unfortunate_a but_o also_o most_o foolish_a and_o ridiculous_a in_o that_o the_o place_n which_o he_o allege_v out_o of_o it_o against_o prayer_n to_o saint_n do_v not_o concern_v it_o at_o all_o nor_o impugn_v any_o thing_n else_o but_o idolatry_n to_o the_o sun_n moon_n planet_n and_o star_n which_o s._n paul_n reprove_v in_o the_o pagan_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o roman_n by_o the_o occasion_n whereof_o the_o author_n of_o the_o commentary_n say_v that_o those_o idolatrous_a paynim_n of_o who_o the_o apostle_n speak_v be_v wont_a to_o excuse_v their_o idolatry_n 1._o by_o say_v that_o by_o the_o inferior_a god_n man_n do_v come_v to_o the_o high_a and_o chief_a god_n rom._n as_o by_o count_n or_o earl_n to_o the_o king_n &_o then_o he_o add_v numquid_fw-la it_o a_o demens_fw-la est_fw-la aliquis_fw-la etc._n etc._n be_v any_o man_n so_o mad_a or_o so_o unmindful_a of_o his_o own_o good_a that_o he_o give_v the_o king_n honour_n to_o the_o count_n for_o if_o any_o be_v find_v that_o do_v but_o only_o treat_v of_o such_o a_o matter_n they_o be_v worthy_o condemn_v as_o traitor_n and_o yet_o these_o pagan_n do_v not_o think_v themselves_o guilty_a of_o treason_n when_o they_o give_v the_o honour_n of_o the_o name_n of_o god_n to_o his_o creature_n and_o forsake_v their_o lord_n do_v adore_v their_o fellow-servant_n as_o though_o any_o thing_n more_o can_v be_v reserve_v to_o god_n for_o man_n do_v therefore_o go_v to_o the_o king_n by_o his_o tribune_n or_o count_n because_o the_o king_n be_v but_o a_o man_n and_o know_v not_o who_o he_o may_v
christ_n and_o exalt_v angel_n that_o he_o hold_v christ_n to_o be_v but_o pure_a man_n and_o the_o son_n of_o joseph_n and_o that_o angel_n make_v the_o world_n and_o give_v the_o law_n to_o the_o jew_n yea_o that_o a_o angel_n be_v the_o god_n of_o the_o jew_n or_o final_o of_o some_o such_o other_o heretic_n as_o either_o attribute_v divinity_n to_o angel_n or_o make_v they_o mediator_n for_o man_n in_o such_o sort_n as_o those_o phrygian_a heretic_n do_v 〈◊〉_d of_o who_o theodoret_n speak_v which_o be_v to_o exclude_v the_o mediation_n of_o christ_n as_o it_o appear_v evident_o by_o that_o which_o the_o apostle_n add_v say_v &_o non_fw-la tenens_fw-la caput_fw-la ex_fw-la quo_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o not_o hold_v the_o head_n whereof_o the_o whole_a body_n be_v by_o joint_n &_o band_n compact_v &c._n &c._n signify_v that_o he_o speak_v of_o such_o as_o forsake_v the_o head_n to_o wit_n christ_n and_o make_v angel_n the_o chief_a mediator_n of_o their_o reconciliation_n to_o god_n 10._o therefore_o s._n chrysostome_n say_v upon_o that_o place_n of_o s._n paul_n sunt_fw-la nonnulli_fw-la etc._n etc._n there_o be_v some_o which_o do_v say_v that_o we_o must_v not_o come_v to_o god_n the_o father_n and_o be_v reconcile_v to_o he_o by_o christ_n but_o by_o angel_n and_o so_o do_v also_o oecumenius_n and_o theophilactus_fw-la expound_v the_o same_o place_n and_o the_o author_n of_o the_o commentary_n upon_o s._n paul_n epistle_n among_o the_o work_n of_o s._n ambrose_n locum_fw-la say_v that_o the_o apostle_n tax_v there_o such_o as_o adore_v the_o star_n quas_fw-la say_v he_o angelos_n vocat_fw-la he_o call_v angel_n and_o final_o to_o omit_v other_o s._n hierome_n 2._o and_o haymo_n do_v understand_v that_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o such_o as_o use_v to_o offer_v sacrifice_n to_o angel_n whereupon_o also_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n may_v have_v just_a occasion_n to_o make_v their_o decree_n against_o some_o such_o abominable_a idolatry_n do_v secret_o to_o angel_n in_o their_o day_n 11._o so_o as_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o all_o this_o that_o neither_o the_o apostle_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o colâ—ssâ—nsesâ—_n theodoret_n noâ—_n theâ—doret_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o the_o same_o nor_o then_o galnon_o of_o the_o laodicean_n council_n mention_v by_o theodoret_n and_o object_v by_o m._n andrews_n do_v any_o way_n impugn_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n in_o pray_v to_o angel_n as_o mediator_n to_o christ_n for_o â—s_n and_o to_o conclude_v concern_v theodoret_n be_v whereas_o m._n andrew_n woo_a by_o this_o place_n make_v the_o world_n belieuâ—_n that_o he_o do_v not_o approve_v prayer_n to_o sayntsâ—_n 44._o i_o remit_v thou_o good_a reader_n to_o that_o most_o perspicuous_a and_o pregâ—antâ—_n testimony_n which_o i_o have_v before_o produce_v 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d to_o prove_v the_o public_a practise_v and_o custom_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n to_o pray_v to_o saint_n in_o his_o time_n together_o with_o the_o admirable_a effect_n and_o miraculous_a benefitsâ—_n that_o devout_a people_n receive_v thereby_o and_o his_o own_o evident_a and_o clear_a approbation_n thereof_o see_v that_o he_o urge_v it_o to_o the_o confusion_n of_o the_o paynim_n infer_v thereupon_o a_o manifess_v argument_n of_o christ_n divinity_n beside_o that_o in_o his_o historia_fw-la religiosa_fw-la wherein_o write_v the_o life_n of_o diverse_a religious_a person_n he_o crave_v in_o the_o end_n of_o every_o particular_a saints_n life_n action_n god_n favour_n and_o divine_a assistance_n by_o his_o intercession_n and_o in_o the_o conclusion_n 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o last_o he_o desire_v they_o all_o who_o life_n he_o have_v write_v to_o pray_v for_o he_o so_o that_o i_o hope_v this_o may_v suffice_v in_o answer_n of_o m._n andrew_n his_o objection_n take_v out_o of_o he_o 12._o i_o have_v before_o touch_v another_o objection_n of_o m._n andrews_n ground_v upon_o a_o absurd_a conceit_n of_o he_o that_o it_o be_v uncertain_a 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believe_v that_o quae_fw-la intus_fw-la claritatem_fw-la dei_fw-la vident_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o soul_n which_o see_v into_o the_o light_n or_o brightness_n of_o god_n be_v ignorant_a of_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v abroad_o 33._o and_o again_o in_o another_o place_n quia_fw-la in_o illa_fw-la aeterna_fw-la haereditate_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o as_o much_o as_o in_o that_o eternal_a inheritance_n all_o man_n do_v see_v god_n with_o a_o common_a clarity_n or_o brightness_n what_o be_v there_o which_o they_o can_v know_v who_o know_v he_o that_o know_v all_o thing_n thus_o say_v s._n gregory_n teach_v as_o you_o see_v that_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n know_v all_o thing_n in_o earth_n and_o yield_v the_o self_n same_o reason_n thereof_o which_o you_o have_v hear_v m._n andrews_n say_v be_v inaudita_fw-la patribus_fw-la never_o hear_v of_o among_o the_o father_n to_o wit_n that_o because_o they_o see_v and_o know_v god_n therefore_o they_o see_v and_o know_v all_o thing_n in_o he_o 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do_v know_v themâ—_n for_o if_o their_o desire_n shall_v not_o be_v satisfy_v they_o shall_v not_o be_v so_o happy_a and_o bless_a as_o the_o perfection_n of_o their_o beatitude_n do_v require_v beside_o that_o see_v almighty_a god_n do_v glorify_v they_o not_o only_o in_o heaven_n with_o the_o vision_n of_o his_o deity_n but_o also_o in_o earth_n with_o many_o miracle_n do_v at_o their_o monument_n as_o m._n andrews_n himself_o confess_v in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o place_n of_o s._n basil_n it_o be_v absurd_a to_o think_v that_o they_o do_v not_o know_v as_o well_o the_o particular_a favour_n that_o god_n do_v to_o man_n for_o their_o fake_n verè_fw-la as_o also_o the_o honour_n and_o glory_n that_o redound_v thereof_o both_o to_o god_n and_o they_o without_o which_o knowledge_n their_o beatitude_n as_o i_o have_v say_v shall_v not_o be_v complete_a 23._o now_o then_o see_v that_o our_o doctrine_n that_o saint_n do_v hear_v prayer_n or_o understand_v our_o prayer_n be_v ground_v 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cause_n 24._o and_o therefore_o he_o have_v reason_n to_o seek_v some_o better_a reason_n andrews_n which_o he_o do_v seem_v to_o put_v the_o case_n that_o it_o be_v true_a yea_o most_o manifest_a that_o saint_n do_v hear_v our_o prayer_n yet_o ne_fw-la sic_fw-la quidem_fw-la say_v he_o audemus_fw-la vota_fw-la nostra_fw-la ad_fw-la illos_fw-la precesque_fw-la dirigere_fw-la we_o dare_v not_o for_o all_o that_o direct_v our_o vow_n verum_fw-la and_o prayer_n unto_o they_o and_o hereof_o he_o yield_v this_o reason_n cum_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la â—a_n de_fw-mi re_fw-mi nullum_fw-la acceperimus_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la autem_fw-la acceperimus_fw-la in_o lege_fw-la disertis_fw-la verbis_fw-la 12._o quod_fw-la tibi_fw-la praecepero_fw-la hoc_fw-la tantùm_fw-la facies_fw-la we_o dare_v not_o say_v he_o pray_v unto_o they_o because_o we_o have_v receive_v no_o precept_n concern_v that_o point_n scripture_n but_o have_v receive_v a_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n in_o express_a word_n what_o i_o shall_v command_v thou_o that_o only_o thou_o shall_v do_v so_o he_o and_o then_o conclude_v id_fw-la tantùm_fw-la audemus_fw-la facere_fw-la etc._n etc._n we_o dare_v do_v that_o only_o whereof_o we_o have_v a_o precept_n bring_v you_o a_o precept_n and_o we_o will_v straight_o invocate_v they_o with_o you_o thus_o argue_v he_o 25._o and_o have_v he_o not_o trow_v you_o very_o well_o prove_v now_o that_o nothing_o may_v be_v practise_v in_o god_n church_n without_o a_o express_v write_v precept_n scripture_n who_o will_v think_v that_o a_o doctor_n of_o divinity_n shall_v have_v so_o little_a understanding_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n as_o to_o infer_v this_o conclusion_n upon_o the_o place_n that_o he_o allege_v which_o concern_v only_o the_o sacrifice_n that_o god_n require_v and_o command_v to_o be_v offer_v unto_o he_o in_o the_o mosaycall_a law_n as_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o very_a circumstance_n of_o the_o place_n in_o the_o 12._o chapter_n of_o deuteronomy_n from_o whence_o that_o precept_n be_v take_v for_o when_o almighty_a god_n have_v admonish_v the_o people_n to_o beware_v that_o they_o do_v not_o imitate_v the_o nation_n who_o land_n they_o shall_v possess_v in_o their_o abominable_a sacrifice_n say_v for_o all_o the_o abomination_n that_o our_o lord_n do_v abhor_v have_v they_o do_v to_o their_o god_n 12._o offer_v their_o son_n and_o daughter_n andrews_n and_o burn_v they_o with_o fire_n after_o this_o i_o say_v follow_v immediate_o what_o i_o command_v thou_o that_o only_o do_v to_o our_o lord_n neither_o add_v any_o thing_n nor_o diminish_v thus_o say_v almighty_a god_n as_o who_o will_v say_v whereas_o the_o gentill_n who_o land_n thou_o shall_v possess_v do_v worship_v their_o god_n with_o most_o abominable_a sacrifice_n and_o ceremony_n sacrifice_v their_o own_o child_n by_o fire_n do_v not_o thou_o imitate_v they_o therein_o but_o offer_v thou_o to_o i_o in_o sacrifice_n only_o that_o which_o i_o do_v command_v thou_o to_o wit_v those_o thing_n which_o be_v ordain_v and_o prescrybed_n in_o the_o law_n to_o that_o end_n 26._o and_o this_o no_o doubt_n be_v the_o clear_a sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o those_o word_n for_o if_o they_o shall_v be_v understand_v as_o m._n andrews_n take_v they_o to_o exclude_v the_o practice_n of_o all_o thing_n whatsoever_o that_o be_v not_o express_o command_v in_o the_o letter_n of_o the_o law_n 4._o than_o the_o solmne_v feast_n ordain_v afterward_o by_o mardochaeus_n judith_n and_o the_o maccabee_n have_v be_v unlawful_a which_o nevertheless_o be_v approve_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o last_o of_o the_o 3._o to_o wit_n the_o feast_n of_o the_o dedication_n institute_v by_o the_o maccabee_n 10._o be_v honour_v by_o our_o saviour_n himself_o with_o his_o presence_n but_o let_v we_o put_v the_o case_n that_o this_o commandment_n of_o almighty_a god_n be_v general_a touch_v the_o service_n and_o worship_n of_o god_n in_o the_o old_a law_n argument_n will_n m._n andrew_n infer_v thereupon_o that_o
have_v ample_o prove_v in_o my_o supplement_n so_o as_o i_o conclude_v that_o the_o exception_n which_o m._n andrews_n take_v against_o the_o father_n allege_a by_o the_o cardinal_n for_o be_v all_o of_o that_o 4._o age_n be_v most_o vain_a and_o frivolous_a see_v that_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o doctor_n of_o any_o one_o age_n be_v sufficient_a to_o determine_v any_o matter_n in_o controversy_n 65._o and_o much_o more_o may_v we_o content_v ourselves_o with_o the_o uniform_a testimony_n and_o consent_n of_o those_o of_o the_o 4._o and_o 5._o age_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o 4._o first_o general_n counsel_n 36.37.38_o when_o the_o church_n most_o flourish_v and_o as_o i_o have_v signify_v before_o be_v best_o furnish_v with_o learned_a and_o holy_a pastor_n and_o doctor_n of_o who_o the_o cardinal_n have_v cite_v no_o less_o than_o twelve_o to_o wit_n s._n basil_n s._n gregory_n nyssen_n s._n ephraem_n s._n gregory_n nazianzen_n eusebius_n s._n chrisostome_n desire_v s._n ambrose_n s._n augustine_n s._n hierome_n s._n cyril_n s._n paulinus_n and_o s._n maximus_n besyd_v the_o history_n of_o ruffinus_n to_o who_o i_o have_v also_o add_v theodoret_n not_o inferior_a in_o learning_n to_o the_o rest_n all_o which_o be_v pillar_n light_n and_o notable_a ornament_n of_o the_o latin_a and_o greek_a church_n in_o the_o 4._o and_o 5._o age_n and_o all_o of_o these_o be_v 14._o in_o number_n allege_v by_o the_o cardinal_n and_o i_o 12._o have_v give_v as_o you_o have_v hear_v uniform_a and_o clear_a testimony_n to_o the_o doctrine_n and_o custom_n of_o prayer_n to_o saint_n either_o invocate_a saint_n themselves_o or_o approve_v the_o public_a use_n and_o practice_v of_o it_o in_o other_o and_o albeit_o the_o other_o two_o to_o wit_n s._n ciril_n and_o eusebius_n do_v not_o so_o express_o speak_v of_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n as_o the_o other_o father_n do_v yet_o the_o same_o be_v also_o sufficient_o gather_v out_o of_o their_o testimony_n as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o in_o the_o 6._o chapter_n 66._o whereupon_o i_o conclude_v that_o this_o doctrine_n of_o prayer_n to_o saint_n beâ—ing_v approve_v &_o practise_v by_o so_o many_o learned_a father_n of_o the_o 4._o and_o 5._o age_n it_o must_v needs_o be_v admit_v for_o a_o infallible_a truth_n 66._o tum_o yea_o but_o say_v m._n andrews_n there_o be_v no_o uniform_a consent_n of_o father_n in_o this_o point_n for_o alij_fw-la say_v he_o non_fw-la pauci_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n there_o be_v not_o a_o few_o other_o who_o have_v right_a of_o suffrage_n or_o voice_n herein_o omit_v by_o the_o cardinal_n so_o he_o wherein_o i_o doubt_v not_o good_a reader_n but_o thou_o see_v how_o absurd_o he_o cavil_v and_o tryfle_v for_o may_v not_o the_o verdict_n of_o a_o whole_a jury_n of_o father_n allege_v by_o the_o cardinal_n tyme._n and_o not_o contradict_v by_o any_o suffice_v to_o show_v a_o general_a and_o uniform_a consent_n of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o time_n and_o will_v not_o m._n andrews_n acknowledge_v a_o uniform_a consent_n in_o the_o father_n without_o a_o particular_a testimony_n of_o every_o one_o of_o they_o do_v he_o suppose_v that_o every_o one_o of_o they_o have_v write_v of_o all_o point_n of_o religion_n and_o if_o they_o have_v not_o whereof_o there_o be_v no_o doubt_n shall_v the_o silence_n of_o some_o prejudice_n the_o clear_a testimony_n of_o other_o so_o shall_v we_o prove_v little_a or_o nothing_o at_o all_o by_o the_o father_n for_o there_o be_v but_o very_o few_o point_n of_o religiâ—on_n whereof_o every_o one_o of_o they_o have_v have_v occasion_n to_o write_v 67._o but_o will_v m._n andrews_n &_o his_o fellow_n be_v content_a that_o we_o exact_v the_o like_a of_o they_o when_o they_o allege_v the_o father_n 33._o as_o for_o example_n the_o bishop_n in_o their_o canon_n before_o mention_v concern_v the_o use_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n fellow_n do_v affirm_v that_o they_o follow_v therein_o the_o judgement_n of_o all_o the_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n but_o can_v they_o show_v trow_v you_o that_o every_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n yea_o or_o the_o great_a part_n of_o they_o do_v particular_o speak_v of_o that_o ceremony_n sure_o i_o be_o they_o can_v show_v it_o for_o albeit_o diverse_a very_a ancient_a and_o holy_a father_n do_v treat_v thereof_o and_o high_o approve_v it_o yet_o many_o other_o be_v utter_o silent_a concern_v the_o same_o nevertheless_o for_o as_o much_o as_o those_o that_o approve_v it_o be_v not_o contradict_v by_o any_o of_o the_o rest_n their_o testimony_n may_v well_o be_v take_v for_o the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o all_o or_o true_o otherwise_o my_o lord_n bishop_n will_v not_o be_v able_a to_o justify_v their_o assertion_n and_o prove_v that_o they_o follow_v the_o judgement_n of_o all_o the_o father_n in_o that_o point_n therefore_o this_o exception_n of_o m._n andrew_n be_v very_o ridiculous_a except_o he_o can_v show_v that_o those_o father_n who_o the_o cardinal_n omit_v have_v contradict_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o other_o but_o this_o you_o see_v he_o have_v not_o be_v able_a to_o do_v though_o he_o have_v do_v his_o best_a endeavour_n thereto_o with_o shame_n enough_o to_o himself_o and_o his_o cause_n father_n 68_o s._n augustine_n write_v against_o julian_n the_o pelagian_n about_o original_a sin_n and_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n think_v the_o testimony_n of_o 6._o father_n sufficient_a to_o convince_v he_o though_o fyve_o of_o they_o be_v of_o the_o same_o time_n and_o age_n wherein_o he_o himself_o live_v for_o whereas_o the_o pelagian_n false_o pretend_v that_o s._n chrysostome_n make_v for_o he_o s._n augustine_n answer_v absit_fw-la ut_fw-la joannes_n constantinopolitanus_n etc._n etc._n god_n forbid_v that_o john_n bishop_n of_o constantinople_n shall_v resist_v so_o many_o and_o worthy_a bishop_n his_o fellow_n especial_o innocentius_n bishop_n of_o rome_n 2._o cyprian_n of_o carthage_n basil_n of_o cappadocia_n gregory_n of_o nazianzen_n hilary_n of_o france_n and_o ambrose_n of_o milan_n so_o he_o therefore_o how_o much_o more_o may_v we_o rely_v upon_o the_o authority_n of_o as_o many_o more_o father_n whereof_o there_o be_v 4._o even_o of_o those_o who_o s._n augustine_n name_v and_o he_o himself_o also_o one_o of_o the_o number_n and_o all_o of_o they_o flourish_v above_o 1100._o year_n ago_o and_o have_v not_o be_v gaynsayd_v or_o impugn_a by_o any_o may_v we_o not_o i_o say_v bold_o admit_v their_o testimony_n for_o a_o proof_n of_o the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o time_n the_o scripture_n teach_v and_o common_a practice_n approve_v that_o 2._o or_o 3._o substantial_a witness_n may_v suffice_v to_o prove_v any_o matter_n in_o question_n 17._o and_o therefore_o much_o more_o may_v these_o 12._o most_o learned_a and_o holy_a father_n suffice_v to_o show_v what_o be_v the_o practice_n and_o belief_n of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o day_n especial_o see_v that_o diverse_a of_o they_o speak_v of_o public_a matter_n of_o fact_n which_o pass_v in_o their_o own_o time_n and_o knowledge_n in_o which_o respect_n they_o can_v be_v think_v to_o fain_v and_o lie_v except_o we_o shall_v take_v they_o to_o be_v void_a both_o of_o conscience_n and_o common_a honesty_n 69._o but_o m._n andrew_n add_v further_o that_o it_o appear_v even_o in_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o that_o the_o father_n be_v not_o all_o of_o one_o mind_n concern_v prayer_n to_o saint_n supra_fw-la and_o for_o proof_n thereof_o he_o remit_v his_o reader_n to_o the_o cardinal_n controversye_n answer_v and_o particular_o to_o the_o tract_n de_fw-fr beatitudine_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la the_o first_o book_n and_o 20._o chapter_n which_o true_o i_o have_v read_v diligent_o and_o can_v find_v any_o thing_n at_o all_o to_o that_o purpose_n except_o perhaps_o he_o mean_v that_o the_o cardinal_n signify_v there_o the_o different_a opinion_n of_o the_o father_n concern_v the_o manner_n how_o saint_n do_v understand_v 20._o or_o hear_v our_o prayer_n whereupon_o it_o seem_v m._n andrew_n infer_v that_o they_o differ_v also_o in_o opinion_n concern_v the_o whole_a controversy_n andrews_n when_o nevertheless_o it_o appear_v evident_o there_o that_o they_o make_v no_o doubt_n whether_o prayer_n to_o saint_n be_v lawful_a neither_o yet_o whether_o they_o know_v our_o action_n but_o only_o in_o what_o manner_n they_o know_v they_o and_o how_o they_o hear_v or_o understand_v our_o prayer_n touch_v which_o point_n and_o the_o absurd_a inference_n that_o m_n andrew_n make_v thereof_o deny_v the_o certaynty_a of_o the_o effect_n by_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o cause_n or_o manner_n of_o it_o i_o have_v so_o ample_o discourse_v 16._o before_o that_o i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o say_v any_o more_o thereof_o in_o this_o place_n 70._o but_o that_o which_o i_o wish_v to_o be_v note_v
i_o say_v merit_n though_o m._n andrew_n do_v not_o admit_v the_o word_n who_o nevertheless_o do_v acknowledge_v it_o sufficient_o when_o he_o say_v that_o god_n have_v promise_v and_o will_v render_v mercedem_fw-la diariam_fw-la operi_fw-la horario_fw-la another_o the_o day_n wage_n to_o a_o hour_n work_n for_o merces_fw-la &_o meritum_fw-la reward_n and_o merit_n be_v correlative_n and_o can_v be_v the_o one_o but_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o other_o for_o reward_n be_v never_o due_a but_o to_o he_o that_o do_v merit_n or_o deserve_v it_o and_o he_o only_o that_o merit_v may_v just_o claim_v reward_n and_o therefore_o the_o apostle_n say_v express_o â—i_fw-la qui_fw-la operatur_fw-la merâ—â—s_fw-la imputatur_fw-la non_fw-la secundum_fw-la gratiam_fw-la sed_fw-la secundum_fw-la debitum_fw-la to_o he_o that_o work_v the_o reward_n be_v impute_v not_o according_a to_o grace_n but_o according_a to_o debt_n worker_n 10._o so_o as_o m._n andrews_n acknowledge_v that_o god_n have_v promise_v and_o do_v render_v mercedem_fw-la operi_fw-la a_o reward_n to_o the_o work_n do_v consequent_o acknowledge_v meritum_fw-la operis_fw-la &_o operantis_fw-la the_o merit_n both_o of_o your_o work_n and_o of_o the_o worker_n for_o dignus_fw-la est_fw-la operarius_fw-la mercede_fw-la sua_fw-la say_v our_o saviour_n the_o workman_n be_v worthy_a of_o his_o wage_n that_o be_v to_o say_v he_o merit_v or_o deserve_v it_o in_o which_o respect_n also_o the_o apostle_n say_v vnusquisque_fw-la mercedem_fw-la accipiet_fw-la secundum_fw-la laborem_fw-la suum_fw-la every_o one_o shall_v receive_v reward_n according_a to_o his_o labour_n that_o be_v to_o say_v as_o his_o labour_n deserve_v or_o as_o he_o merit_v for_o his_o labour_n and_o aâ—beit_v almighty_a god_n of_o his_o infinite_a bounty_n have_v promise_v great_a reward_n than_o our_o work_n do_v in_o rigour_n of_o justice_n merit_n david_n yet_o the_o covenant_n and_o promise_v be_v make_v he_o that_o do_v the_o work_n do_v just_o merit_v the_o reward_n as_o for_o example_n king_n saul_n promise_v to_o give_v his_o daughter_n michâ—l_v to_o david_n in_o marriage_n yâ—_n he_o bring_v he_o a_o hundred_o prepace_n of_o the_o philistine_n and_o albeit_o david_n think_v himself_o unworthy_a to_o marry_v the_o king_n daughter_n say_v that_o he_o be_v a_o poor_a man_n and_o of_o sâ—â—al_a ability_n yet_o when_o he_o have_v perform_v the_o condition_n he_o claim_v performance_n of_o the_o covenant_n and_o have_v she_o to_o wife_n and_o afterward_o when_o she_o be_v take_v from_o he_o by_o saul_n &_o give_v to_o phaltiel_n he_o require_v she_o again_o after_o saul_n death_n not_o only_o because_o she_o be_v his_o wife_n but_o also_o because_o he_o have_v bargain_v for_o she_o and_o get_v she_o by_o covenant_n 3._o quam_fw-la despondi_fw-la mihi_fw-la say_v he_o centum_fw-la praeputijs_fw-la philistinorum_n who_o i_o betroth_v unto_o i_o with_o a_o hundred_o prepuce_n of_o the_o philistine_n as_o who_o shall_v say_v that_o it_o be_v reason_n he_o shall_v have_v she_o because_o he_o have_v deserve_v she_o 11._o and_o much_o more_o true_o may_v the_o like_o be_v say_v of_o the_o good_a work_n of_o just_a man_n merit_n proceed_v from_o god_n grace_n which_o work_v beside_o the_o covenant_n and_o promise_n of_o reward_n be_v ennoble_v also_o and_o dignify_v by_o grace_n and_o so_o make_v not_o only_o acceptable_a unto_o god_n but_o also_o much_o more_o worthy_a of_o the_o reward_n promise_v than_o any_o moral_a work_n can_v be_v though_o god_n shall_v promise_v to_o reward_v they_o eternallyâ—_n so_o that_o the_o dignity_n of_o god_n grace_n concur_v in_o the_o good_a work_n with_o god_n promise_n of_o reward_n make_v the_o same_o true_o meritorious_a be_v the_o work_n never_o so_o small_a and_o the_o reward_n promise_v never_o so_o great_a and_o therefore_o whosoever_o do_v for_o the_o pure_a love_n of_o god_n forsake_v his_o land_n or_o parent_n or_o wife_n he_o merit_v that_o great_a reward_n which_o our_o saviour_n promise_v to_o wit_n seq_n centuplum_fw-la etc._n etc._n a_o hundred_o fold_n in_o this_o world_n and_o life_n everlasting_a in_o the_o other_o and_o in_o this_o sense_n do_v all_o the_o father_n teach_v the_o merit_n of_o work_n so_o express_o that_o not_o only_o the_o magdeburgenses_n but_o also_o calvin_n take_v exception_n to_o they_o all_o for_o use_v the_o word_n merit_v so_o frequent_o as_o they_o do_v which_o indeed_o be_v most_o evident_a in_o their_o wrorke_n and_o may_v be_v see_v by_o innumerable_a place_n of_o the_o say_a father_n allege_v by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o other_o to_o prove_v the_o merit_n of_o good_a work_n which_o i_o pretermit_v for_o that_o my_o meaning_n be_v not_o here_o so_o much_o to_o prove_v or_o confirm_v our_o doctrine_n in_o this_o point_n as_o somewhat_o to_o explicate_v it_o upon_o this_o occasion_n offer_v 12._o supra_fw-la this_o then_o be_v the_o constant_a doctrine_n of_o catholic_n it_o appear_v how_o idle_a be_v m._n andrews_n his_o distinction_n in_o his_o conclusion_n to_o wit_n reddendum_fw-la cuique_fw-la secundum_fw-la opera_fw-la sed_fw-la ex_fw-la vi_fw-la promissi_fw-la non_fw-la valour_n meriti_fw-la every_o one_o be_v to_o reward_v according_a to_o his_o work_n but_o by_o the_o force_n of_o the_o promise_n whyâ—_n and_o not_o by_o the_o valour_n of_o the_o merit_n this_o distinction_n i_o say_v be_v very_o impertinent_a for_o two_o cause_n the_o one_o for_o that_o it_o exclude_v the_o effect_n by_o the_o cause_n that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o merit_n by_o the_o promise_n of_o reward_n from_o whence_o the_o say_a merit_n grow_v for_o albeit_o we_o add_v thereto_o another_o consideration_n to_o wit_v the_o dignity_n of_o god_n grace_n increase_v the_o valour_n of_o the_o merit_n yet_o the_o same_o follow_v also_o upon_o the_o promise_n because_o god_n have_v promise_v to_o reward_v eternal_o such_o work_n only_o as_o proceed_v from_o his_o grace_n and_o be_v dignify_v thereby_o and_o consequent_o make_v the_o more_o meritorious_a in_o which_o respect_n we_o always_o say_v with_o s._n augustine_n 105._o that_o omne_fw-la bonum_fw-la meritum_fw-la nostrum_fw-la non_fw-la facit_fw-la in_o nobis_fw-la nisi_fw-la gratia_fw-la nothing_o but_o grace_n do_v cause_n in_o we_o all_o our_o good_a merit_n and_o cum_fw-la deus_fw-la coronat_fw-la merita_fw-la nostra_fw-la nihil_fw-la aliud_fw-la coronat_fw-la nisi_fw-la munera_fw-la sua_fw-la when_o god_n do_v crown_v our_o merit_n pelagian_n he_o do_v crown_v nothing_o else_o but_o his_o own_o gift_n and_o true_o i_o can_v see_v how_o m._n andrew_n can_v deny_v that_o grace_n increase_v the_o valour_n of_o the_o merit_n except_o he_o will_v take_v part_n with_o pelagius_n the_o heretic_n and_o impugn_v the_o dignity_n of_o god_n grace_n so_o as_o he_o must_v needs_o grant_v that_o the_o worthiness_n of_o grace_n be_v add_v to_o the_o force_n of_o god_n promise_n do_v make_v the_o work_n more_o worthy_a of_o reward_n the_o other_o cause_n why_o i_o say_v the_o distinction_n be_v idle_a or_o rather_o m._n andrews_n for_o make_v it_o be_v because_o he_o make_v the_o same_o to_o confute_v the_o cardinal_n as_o if_o the_o cardinal_n do_v exclude_v the_o consideration_n of_o god_n promise_n from_o the_o reward_n of_o work_n whereof_o he_o may_v see_v the_o contrary_a in_o the_o cardinal_n controversy_n 14._o where_o he_o debate_v the_o question_n at_o large_a and_o substantial_o prove_v the_o necessity_n of_o god_n promise_n to_o make_v a_o work_n meritorious_a and_o therefore_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n seek_v also_o to_o prove_v the_o same_o by_o 4._o gregorius_n de_fw-fr valentia_n who_o he_o allege_v to_o that_o purpose_n as_o if_o he_o will_v confute_v the_o cardinal_n by_o one_o of_o his_o own_o profession_n he_o be_v as_o i_o have_v say_v very_o impertinent_a therein_o labour_v to_o prove_v that_o which_o the_o cardinal_n deny_v not_o but_o express_o teach_v so_o as_o you_o see_v still_o m._n andrew_n do_v nothing_o else_o but_o idle_o beat_v the_o air_n and_o fight_v with_o his_o own_o shadow_n impugn_v only_o his_o own_o conceit_n and_o in_o the_o rest_n grant_v our_o doctrine_n concern_v the_o reward_n and_o merit_n of_o good_a work_n thus_o much_o for_o this_o point_n 13._o among_o the_o example_n which_o i_o give_v in_o the_o last_o 10._o chapter_n of_o his_o change_v the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n one_o be_v concern_v the_o veneration_n of_o relic_n for_o that_o he_o will_v 50._o needs_o suppose_v that_o we_o do_v worship_n relic_n with_o divine_a adoration_n and_o honour_n and_o therefore_o habet_fw-la he_o impugn_v and_o deride_v the_o cardinal_n distinction_n of_o divers_a kind_n of_o adoration_n 22._o labour_v to_o prove_v that_o adoration_n be_v not_o to_o be_v take_v otherways_o then_o for_o divine_a honour_n but_o in_o this_o i_o have_v sufficient_o show_v his_o ignorance_n and_o absurdity_n and_o have_v also_o prove_v 31._o that_o we_o do_v not_o honour_n and_o worship_n relic_n with_o divine_a