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A02291	The ciuile conuersation of M. Steeuen Guazzo written first in Italian, and nowe translated out of French by George Pettie, deuided into foure bookes. In the first is conteined in generall, the fruites that may bee reaped by conuersation ... In the second, the manner of conuersation ... In the third is perticularly set foorth the orders to bee obserued in conuersation within doores, betwéene the husband and the wife ... In the fourth, the report of a banquet; Civil conversatione. Book 1-3. English	Guazzo, Stefano, 1530-1593.; Pettie, George, 1548-1589.	1581 (1581)	STC 12422; ESTC S105850	262,636	366

you call more than fathers Annib. Those which are too cruell to their children and beate them continually like slaues for the least fault in the world Guaz. Truly those fathers are mislyked of all men for that withoute discretion they measure theyr children by themselues and requyre at their handes a matter impossible which is to haue them be old in their youth not suffering them to inioy in any sort that liberty whiche is alowed to their age And in my mynde they deserue no other name then of Schoolemaisters for that they cannot manner their children well vnles they haue a rod in their hande for if they were right fathers they would be content that their children should learne of them to know that the whole drift of humane lawes is nothing else but to refraine from doing ill to vse to do that which is good and honest which a childe is brought to rather by loue than by force but the authoritie which some ignorant fathers take vppon them is so great that without respecting age place time degree fashion or any thing they wyll keepe their children vnder by force and make them do euery thing contrary to their owne myndes yea euen to weare their apparell after the fashion of the good men of the time past Annib. It is most certayne that they do amisse in that whereby they make their children not to loue them so hartely and to obay them rather for feare then affection besides they consider not that the beating without measure and the keeping them in continuall feare is the cause that a manne cannot iudge to what manner of life they are naturally inclined Moreouer it dulleth their wittes and represseth their naturall vigour in such sort that there is no mettall left in them and by fearing alwayes to fayle in their doinges they neuer but faile in them and comming in any company they know neyther which way to looke nor what to do Therefore they ought to leaue their butchery beating and consider rather that for the lacke of yeeres their chidren cannot haue perfect vnderstanding and experience in things wherby they are to be borne withal when they do amisse Guaz. I like those fathers well who can keepe their children in awe only with shaking their head at them or vsing some such like signe and can only with a word correct them and make them ashamed of their faulte But I am perswaded that there are few fathers that know how to keepe the meane but that they will eyther bee to rough or to gentle to their children whereof as the one driueth them to desperatnesse so the other bringeth them to dissolutenesse Annib. We must thinke that a childe hath giuen vnt● him a father and a mother to y e end that of the wisdom of the one and the loue of the other that Meane which you meane may be made and that the seueritie of the father may bee somwhat mitigated by the lenitie of the mother Guaz. You may in my opinyon yet adde one occasion more of the disagreement between the father and the childe which is the partiall loue of the father towardes his chyldren Annib. Do you take that to be a fault Guaz. Do you thinke it reasonable that hee should imbrace and loue one more than an other and that all being of his fleshe and blood he shoulde cast a merry countenaunce vppon some of them and a seuere looke vppon other some Annib. Of the sonnets other cōpositions which you haue made is it well done of you to like some better then other some yea and perchaunce those which are worst best And be you assured also that your father loueth not all his children alike and yet he of you whom he loueth least cannot iustly complayne of him Guaz. I giue my father no occasion to vse me worse then the rest and therefore if he should doe it I should haue iuste cause to complayne of him while I liued Annib. You haue reason if he vse you yll mary not though he loue you lesse then he doth some other for inequalitie of loue is permitted to the father but not yll vsage Guaz. How meane you that Annib. A father that is a merchant hath one sonne that is a scholar another a souldiour and an other a merchaunt of those three it is a great chaunce but he will loue the merchaunt best for that he seeth him like to him selfe in life and manners Where in his other sonnes are to beare with him for that by nature we are ledde to like those thinges which resemble vs most mary if he shall not giue them as good alowance for their dyet apparel and other necessaries as he doth to the merchant they shall haue occasion to complayne of him as vniust Guaz. O how hard a thing is it for the father after that partiall passion is once entred into his hart to minister iustice indifferently Annib. The greater is the wisdome of the father who preferring the merites of his children before his owne partiall affection maketh his senses yeelde to reason and sheweth him in deedes alike towardes all I will not denye but that the father by his authoritie ought to distribute his fauoures as he seeth good to one more to another lesse according to the demeanor and doinges of his children for as by gentle vsage he incourageth a childe that is well giuen to doe well so by harde handling hee may bring one that is vntoward to goodnesse yea if he haue any child which is quite past grace without any hope of recouery he may lawfullye not only loue him lesse then the rest but quite cast him out of his fauour like as Aristippus did by a lewde sonne of his and being reproued for it by a friende of his who willed him to consider that his sonne was a collup of his own flesh and came from his Loynes he aunswered That lice and a great many superfluities come from a mans body yet being il they are to be cast away But those fathers are gretly to be blamed who with vniust partialitie and without any reasonable consideration vse one childe as legitimate and the other as a Bastard whereof it followeth that he which is so coursely accounted of doth not only fayle in affection towardes his father but beginneth to fall to secrete warre with his other brother whereby the father whose chiefe office is to establish quiet and concorde amongest his children shall by his vndiscrete and vniust partialitie plante amongst them a roote of continuall discorde * And therefore the Father ought to be well aduised how he preferreth in good wil one childe before another and not to doe it vpon euery light occasion As there are some which will doe it not for anye fault which is in them but for some naturall defect wherein in my iudgement they do much amisse in making their innocent childe beare the punishment of their own imperfections who at the time they did beget him were no doubt possest with

the other and went about by many pleasant deuises to make him vnderstand that it was his parte being elder and dyscreeter to supplye the default of his brother which hee interpreted so wronglye that he sayd to the Count he vnderstood by the halfe word what the whole men● and that he was content to forbeare his house to the end that those who were so far in his bokes might haue free accesse vnto it To be short all his affaultes were in vaine as if they had been made against an inuincible for t and the best cōposition which he could bring him to was that he was content in respect of him to bee friendes with his brother but he would afterwardes kyll him if he could whiche hee failed to do for that within few daies after in that ill mynde he was in he was slayne at the battayle at S. Quinten Annib. He thought to shew the Count some curtes●e in deferring the death of his brother so long And trulye it is a desperate cure to go about to quenche the fire of discord when it is once kindled in the hartes of two Brothers whyche maketh mee muche muse howe it shoulde bee so being a thinge so farre from all reason Guaz. But I thinke it rather a reasonable thing that 〈◊〉 man shoulde finde himselfe most greeued with him whiche ought least to greeue him Annib. And I thinke it reasonable that a man shoulde be least offended with him who ought to be most bolde with him Guaz. Knowe you not that where is great loue from thence proceedeth great hate Annib. Know you not that where is great loue there ought also to be great patience Guaz. You see yet by experience effects contrary therto Annib. Brothers are in deed oft times at discord for that they were neuer at accord but brothers which from their infancy haue liued in loue together wil put vp any iniury or displeasure rather then they wil fall out among themselues Guaz. You meane then that the cause why brothers fall out is for lacke of loue Annib. If I should set downe that for y t cause I should be counted as very a foole as he who being askt why the dogge folowed his maister answered for y t his maister went before you might say y t according to the prouerbe I went about to fil your mouth with an empty spoone That is to seeme to teach not to teach Wherefore if you will haue me come to y e right occasions of this discord I say I haue noted the two chiefe causes therof the one by y e fault of the fathers the other by y e fault of the brothers Touching y e discord growing by the fathers fault we haue spokē sufficiently of it already For the other it happeneth when brothers take more care for the partes then for the whole body I meane by the body all the brothers together by the partes eache one of them for that brothers stand vs in the like stead as our eyes hands feete do Yea if we consider the matter thorowly we shall finde that brothers are framed more fitly for the mutuall ayd one of another then the partes of our bodye are for one hande can but helpe the other hand which is present and one foote the other foote which is hard by it but the mutuall aid of brothers stretcheth farther for being far distant one from another they cease not to succour assist one another If then brothers according to their nature were cheeflye addicted to the conuersation of this body without casting their onlye care for their owne peculier parte there is no doubt of their brotherly loue and good agreement together Guaz. Indeed that naughty passion of bearing our selues to great affectiō wil not suffer vs to loue others as we ought to do though they be neuer so nere vnto vs. Annib. It is true and that is the cause there are so few brothers which will preferre the common honoure and profite of them all before theyr owne partyculer aduauncement and that we daily see thinges common commonly neglected whereof for the most part groweth the decay of houses for by the diuision of goodes the forces of brothers are weakened and by the diuision of hartes they come somtymes to receiue iniuries which euery one by himselfe hath his handes full to repulse Which that wise Kyng shewed manifestly who by the bundell of roddes gaue his children to vnderstande howe inuyncible theyr force was so long as they held together Wherfore it is requisite that aboue all thinges brothers lay before them the common honour and profite and that all of them both in deedes and in counsaile bee carefull for the conseruation of the honoure of their house and let no one of them perswade himselfe by his sufficiency to supply the defects of the other and to carye away all the honour and credite from them Guaz. Soft I pray you so long as I shall liue vertuously well do you thinke my honour any thing impaired though some of my brothers liue ill Annib. Your particuler honour shall be nothing diminyshed but the common honour of your house shall wherein you haue part Guaz. And why shall not my commendable behauiour counteruaile their lewd demeanor Annib. Howsoeuer it counteruaile it it cannot wype away the dishonour which your house sustaineth by it which receiueth as much shame by their ill doing as honor by your well doing And therefore they are greatly to blame which take not as greate care of theyr Brothers as of themselues for the brothers being as we haue sayd members of one body any one of them cannot be stayned but the whole bodye will be spotted and thervpon it is sayd That the nose cannot bee cut without bloodying the mouth This neerenesse which ought to be between brothers is likewise implyed in the name of brother which in latine signifieth as it were another to giue vs to vnderstand that a brother to a brother is as another hymselfe whereof I cannot at thys tyme bryng a more playne example then of a worke or booke whereof there are prynted in one presse diuers volumes whiche may perhaps dyffer in the couering and outward trymming and yet are but one thyng hauing one selfe beginning and ending so that the faults which are in one of these volumes are common to them al whereof I inferre that the faulte which is in one brother is common to all the rest Wherfore for y e honour of their house brothers ought to support one another and when the one falleth the other ought to helpe him vp again or else to confesse that hee hym selfe is fallen to the ground besides it is an vnseemly thing for a man to see himselfe raised to high degree and looking towardes the ground to behould his brother in lowe estate And a man may bee bold to say that he which hath no care of his brothers honour hath no care of his owne Of this commō honour Scipio Africanus was very

some infyrmitie of minde or body * Guaz. I cannot abide the fo●ly of some fathers who make some one of their children their darling and minion without seing any towardnesse in him in the world being not ashamed to let euery man know their fond and causelesse doting Annib. The Ape whiche had two yong ones at a litter whereof shee loued the one and cared nothing for the other was vpon occasion driuen to flie from her denne and hauing taken that which she loued in her armes and tied the other at her back in running she stumbled agaynst somewhat which made her fall and agaynste the harde grounde to kill her young one whiche shee hadde in her armes and loued so well but the other whiche was at her backe hadde no harme at all whereby a man may see that the Father oft tymes doth pennance for his doting and fonde offence for that for the moste parte those children which are moste made of fall out the worste Yea it often falleth out that the children of the right side by reason of their wanton and delicate bringing vp proue doltes fooles and simple sots whereas contrariwise those which come in at the backe doore beeing banished from their fathers house and driuen to shifte for themselues doe often times by their owne industrye and trauayle auaunce themselues to suche estate that they are in better case then their father and their lawfull brothers to whom ofte tymes they afoorde ayde and succour in their distresses Guaz. Wee may boldlye say then that the iniustice of the father breedeth disagreement betweene his children him howsoeuer that vnequall loue doth which I proposed Annib. Yea hardly but for that wee made mention of a merchaunt the father of Doctor●s scholers thervpon there commeth in my head an other occasion which breedeth iars betweene the father and the child which is when the father is inferiour in calling to the sonne as for example if y e father be an ignorant man or a plaine fellow of the countrey the sonne be learned or a braue courtier you shal find great difficultie to make these two agree together for the father according to his nature and his calling giueth his minde to base and vile things either knoweth not or esteemeth not y e highe degree of his sonne And though he speake nothing● of it yet hee is ill pleased in his minde to see his sonne keepe his Grauitie conuenient for his estate and to be so sumptuous in his Diet and apparell and hadde rather he woulde conuerte his gayne into Landes Cattell or some other commodity There are other some who are not so foolish but they knowe the worthinesse of their Children and what belongeth to their estate yet for that they are inferyoure to them they are greeued in their harts at it so that they labour alwayes to withstande both in word deed their preferment On the other side you shal see the sonne eyther for that he seeth his father not to account of him as others doe or for that he seeth him leade a filthy life being neuer desirous to come out of the myre withdraweth his affection from him and woulde not by his will haue him come at anye time into his sighte for that hee thinketh he doeth dishonour him and if hee bee not so wicked to wishe his death yet at leaste hee is well apayde when he seeth him for some sicknesse or infirmitie layd vp in some bye corner of the house Guaz. To this purpose I hearde talke the other daye of a wretch so miserable that he would neuer agree y t his sonne being a Doctor should keepe a man to wayte vpon him so that hee was fayne when hee wente abrode to retayne a poore man that dwelt by to follow him in steede of a man and one morning staying for his man at the gate to wayte on him to Masse and being very late the father bethinking himselfe of his owne miserablenesse and seeing how hardlye his some was bestead put on his Cloake and sayde vnto him Goe your waye to masse and I will followe you thinking that his sonne was suche a foole to accepte his offer and to shewe himselfe abroade in such shamefull forte Annib. I thinke he offered to wayte vpon his sonne rather for that he would not giue his poore neighbour his dinner then for any shame he had of his owne misery or respect of his sonnes honesty Guaz. Now we are fallen vpon this Example I woulde gladly know of you in this difference of degree and calling which ought to go formost of the father or the sonne Annib. This doubt hath been alredy decided by Taurus the Philosopher who being visited by a Romane President and by the Father of the sayd President and being only one chaire set while they were bringing another he desired the Father to sit him downe who answered that his sonne ought to sit first for that he was President but for al y t he requested him still to sit downe and that he woulde afterwarde shewe which of the two ought to haue the vpper hand The Father being set and afterwardes the sonne he gaue this sentence That in publique places and affayres the father being a priuate person ought to giue place to the sonne who is appoynted in office as he who presenteth the maiestye of the Prince or common wealth but otherwise in priuate places and at the assembly and meeting of friends the publique authoritie must giue place to the fatherly iurisdiction Guaz. By vertue of this sentence the father to the Doctour of whom we spake should that morning going to masse haue made his sonne follow him in his long gowne for that as then he was not in any office but only a Doctor whiche would haue been a goodly sight and haue made euerye one laugh at it albeit it had been but reason Annib. If this were to be laughed at the example of Sempronius Gracchus Consull of Rome was to be marueyled at who to keepe his state in publique meeting on Horsebacke his Father Q. Fab. Maximus the Proconsull commaunded his Sergeauntes to goe againste him and cause him to alight which he did quickly liking the better of his sonne for that he knewe so well to maintaine the maiestie of the Romane Empyre But to returne to our matter there is one occasion yet remaining of the disagreement betweene the Father and the childe whiche is when the Father will neuer suffer his children to come foorth of their infancy Guaz. How vnderstande you that Annib. Mary when eyther thorow the authoritie of olde age or thorow ambition or couetousnesse or too good opinion in his own sufficiencie the father is so desirous of keping his paternall iurisdiction that though his children bee ariued to mans estate and be perfectly accomplished euery way yet he will alowe them neither more liuing nor more liberty then they had when they were children Guaz. I thinke they haue iust cause to bee mal contents who

knowing themselues to be sufficient mē and to be so taken of euery man are neuerthelesse vsed by their father like children and therefore I cannot blame them greatly if in stead of louing him they complaine of death for delaying the execution of that iudgement which so long before was pronounced agaynst him To which purpose I know a gentleman who hath liued this fourty yeeres vnder a most rich father who is so miserable that he maketh him dispaire and to say often to his companions that hee is a foole to liue so long and that it is now high time for him to goe to another world adding that his liuing will do him no good when it falleth into his handes for that by course of nature he shall be constrained to forgoe it againe Annib. A certayne countrey fellowe vsed to say that he gat by his labour euery day fiue loaues of bread and being asked how he distributed thē answered in this sort One I keepe for my selfe another I throw away another I pay home and the other two I lend foorth being requested to expounde his riddle he sayd I take one for my selfe I call away another in giuing it to my stepmother I restore home one to my father and two I lend to my childrē By this example more noble then rustike both children ought to learn to be louing and gratefull to their father and fathers to be liberall to their children remembring that in their age and necessity that which they haue lent vnto their children shall be restored by their children wherto the fathers we but now spake of haue had no regard and a man may well say that they are doating old that they are become children agayn and quite voyd of iudgement Guaz. If y t come by the fault of age I will not say that such men were wel worthy to dwell amongest the Caspians who when the father is arriued to the age of threescore and ten kill him presently and giue him to beastes to eat but I wyll say that they ought to acknowledge their insufficiency and want of iudgement and to referre the ordering of their house and liuing to their chyldren who are of discretion to deale in suche waighty matters If couetousnesse bee the cause of it they ought to consider that it is a shamefull thing in olde folke of all others for there is nothing more absurde or without reason then for a man to make greate prouision for his iourney when hee is almoste at hys iourneyes ende so that if they haue heaped vp their wealth for themselues why a little of it will serue their turnes but if they haue trauayled for their children it is meets they shoulde lette them haue it so soone as they are of dyscretion to knowe how to vse it If the 〈◊〉 growe of ambition the poore soules oughte to take a patterne by Princes rulers who seeing their children fit to gouerne the people gladly resigne vnto them their estates realmes and Empyres whereof wee haue manye examples If they presume too muche of themselues let them learne to knowe that chyldren now adayes are borne wyse And as menne lyue not so long in these dayes as they did in tymes past so they grow to perfection sooner now then they did heretofore Annib. It is harde for these olde folke to take ●ny profite by these good admonitions for that their vyces by length of tyme haue taken too deepe roote in them to bee pulled vp yet we will not cease to aduise the father if hee render the well doing and aduauncemente of his childe to allowe hym wyth discretion some libertye in matters of the house suffering him somtime to inuite to welcome and make his companions good cheeres to giue intertainment to strangers and as occasion shall serue to vse the goodes of the house to serue his turne but aboue all thinges he must both by example by admonition keepe from entring into his hart vnsatiable couetousnes which maketh men wicked and vniust or at least neuer suffereth thē to liue in ●est quiet especially y e father whiche is a gentleman who ought to haue in his minde that king who comming into his sonnes lodgeing and seing there many peeces of plate whiche hee before had giuen him sayd vnto him I see well thou hast no princely minde with thee seing of so many thinges which I gaue thee thou hast yet made thee neuer a freind so that the father ought to stirre vp his sonne to liberall and gentlemanly deedes mary yet so that now and then if he bee not otherwise affayred hee learne to play the good husbande and see to thinges about home whereby he shall be able to conserue and augment his estate and keepe himselfe from falling into decaye hereof will rise at the least three good effectes The first is the loue of the sonne who seing his father withdrawe hym selfe by little and little from the gouernment of the house to the intent to put him in his roome receiueth thereby wonderfull contentment thinketh himselfe in his minde much bound vnto him and not only honoureth him but wisheth him long to liue on earth The second is the commodity of the sonne who by this meanes after his fathers death shall haue no neede to seeke counsayle and ayd at his freindes and kynsfolkes handes nor to put himselfe to the discretion of his seruantes for the ordering of his house hauing by the goodnesse and foresight of his father all thinges long before in his owne hands so that the gouermnent of his house shal not to be straunge or troublesome vnto him as it is to many when they haue lost their father The third is the sweet rest and contentment which the father inioieth in his old yeeres both for y t he feeleth himselfe rid of all incombrance vexation and besides seeth his sonne by his example gouerne his house orderly For my part I count it the greatest felicity in the world for a man to haue about him a number of goodly children whiche are growne to perfection whom hee may well terme the lyght of his eyes * and the staffe of his age * and I marueile nothing that the most prudent dame Cornelia shewed to her neighbour that asked for her chaines iewels her learned and vertuous children and methinkes it must needes be a greater comfort to y e father to see a proofe of his childe and how discreetly he can dispose of his liuing and order his househould then to doe it himselfe now when the father shall be arriued to the Hauen of such happinesse and consolation methinkes he may ioyfully looke for the last houre of his life and dye most contentedly Guaz. It is no question far better to make place for their children of their owne accord then to stay till they must needes do it spite of their teeth Like as Ptolomei did who gaue y e Realme of Aegipt to his sonne saying that a Realme was nothing so honourable nor