against_o he_o 2._o to_o the_o second_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la 1_o concern_v mr._n hook_n 2._o concern_v the_o answerer_n here_o again_o concern_v this_o judgement_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la it_o will_v be_v inquire_v 1._o quaere_fw-la whether_o all_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la consent_v hereunto_o or_o not_o 2._o quaere_fw-la whether_o they_o that_o so_o judge_v declare_v their_o sentence_n to_o be_v according_a to_o the_o scripture_n if_o yea_o what_o scripture_n they_o produce_v to_o warrant_n they_o be_v censure_n if_o not_o by_o what_o rule_n they_o will_v justify_v such_o proceed_n 3._o quaere_fw-la whether_o the_o church_n refer_v this_o matter_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la and_o crave_v they_o be_v judgement_n therein_o 4._o quaere_fw-la whether_o the_o classis_fw-la do_v hear_v mr._n h._n declare_v the_o reason_n of_o his_o judgement_n and_o seek_v to_o rectifye_v his_o judgement_n if_o they_o think_v he_o have_v err_v by_o scripture_n before_o they_o proceed_v to_o sentence_n against_o he_o if_o upon_o inquiry_n it_o shall_v appear_v that_o the_o matter_n be_v not_o refer_v to_o their_o judgement_n by_o the_o church_n and_o that_o only_o some_o few_o of_o the_o minister_n or_o all_o or_o most_o of_o they_o without_o show_v the_o equity_n of_o their_o sentence_n by_o the_o scripture_n thus_o judge_v &_o without_o hear_v what_o mr._n h._n can_v say_v in_o defence_n of_o his_o assertion_n and_o then_o give_v it_o under_o their_o hand_n to_o subject_v the_o church_n to_o they_o be_v determination_n and_o the_o answerer_n procure_v this_o to_o be_v do_v and_o afterward_o press_v it_o upon_o the_o church_n to_o keep_v out_o mr._n h._n let_v the_o reader_n judge_n whether_o this_o be_v not_o a_o manifest_a deprive_v of_o the_o church_n of_o that_o liberty_n and_o power_n which_o christ_n have_v give_v it_o as_o himself_o acknowledge_v in_o the_o free_a choice_n of_o they_o be_v pastor_n nor_o can_v i_o think_v that_o the_o classis_fw-la or_o deputye_n of_o the_o synod_n will_v justify_v the_o answerer_n deal_v in_o this_o buisenes_n and_o condemn_v mr._n h._n so_o far_o if_o they_o have_v be_v right_o inform_v of_o the_o naked_a truth_n without_o such_o intimation_n suggest_v by_o the_o answerer_n against_o he_o as_o may_v serve_v to_o stir_v up_o unjust_a jealousy_n and_o surmise_n against_o that_o worthy_a man_n for_o may_v not_o any_o thing_n he_o hold_v stand_v with_o the_o doctrine_n contain_v in_o the_o catechism_n confession_n and_o synodical_a explication_n thereof_o and_o do_v the_o synod_n require_v any_o more_o of_o he_o that_o be_v to_o be_v admit_v to_o any_o church_n in_o these_o country_n i_o be_o confident_a that_o this_o case_n will_v bear_v a_o review_n &_o that_o a_o nationall_n synod_n will_v not_o justify_v the_o deputye_n for_o that_o provincial_a synod_n nor_o the_o deputye_n justify_v that_o classis_fw-la nor_o the_o classis_fw-la approve_v of_o the_o answerer_n deal_v in_o this_o buisenes_n if_o it_o be_v more_o thorough_o examine_v ans_fw-fr 3._o to_o the_o three_o his_o apology_n for_o wright_v this_o be_v compel_v by_o the_o complainants_n in_o his_o own_o defence_n which_o else_o he_o say_v he_o will_v not_o have_v do_v be_v it_o reply_n that_o the_o complainant_n wright_v to_o the_o consistory_n have_v compel_v he_o to_o answer_v there_o yet_o that_o may_v have_v be_v do_v by_o word_n or_o in_o wright_v and_o keep_v within_o themselves_o who_o compel_v he_o to_o print_v if_o he_o say_v the_o print_a pamphlet_n 1._o what_o be_v that_o to_o the_o complainants_n who_o dislike_v it_o 2._o my_o print_a protestation_n be_v sufficient_a against_o that_o and_o do_v satify_v 3._o i_o have_v procure_v that_o all_o the_o pamphlet_n be_v buy_v up_o save_o a_o few_o that_o be_v disperse_v before_o the_o receipt_n of_o my_o letter_n and_o so_o the_o publish_n of_o they_o be_v stop_v and_o therefore_o i_o may_v fit_o reply_v in_o his_o own_o word_n a_o little_a qualify_v have_v the_o answerer_n be_v so_o considerate_a and_o wise_a in_o this_o as_o he_o have_v be_v in_o some_o other_o thing_n he_o will_v rather_o have_v rest_v in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la against_o the_o print_n of_o his_o book_n and_o burn_v it_o or_o utter_o suppress_v it_o then_o to_o compel_v i_o in_o my_o own_o and_o other_o man_n defence_n to_o wright_n these_o thing_n concern_v he_o or_o they_o which_o otherwise_o i_o will_v never_o have_v do_v though_o the_o injury_n we_o have_v suffer_v be_v great_a &_o the_o wrong_n do_v to_o the_o church_n be_v far_o great_a if_o they_o have_v no_o more_o to_o complain_v of_o then_o that_o they_o be_v deprive_v of_o that_o faithful_a servant_n of_o god_n mr._n h._n who_o he_o not_o only_o then_o deprive_v they_o of_o but_o also_o pursue_v he_o with_o reproach_n in_o print_n unto_o the_o end_n of_o the_o earth_n so_o much_o for_o mr._n h._n at_o least_o till_o another_o occasion_n be_v give_v follow_v ans_fw-fr 2._o a_o brief_a defence_n of_o myself_o which_o be_v more_o full_o do_v in_o ans_fw-fr to_o the_o 7._o sect._n and_o those_o that_o follow_v 2._o in_o the_o next_o place_n he_o deal_v with_o i_o and_o thinck_v to_o free_v himself_o from_o any_o blame_n concern_v i_o out_o of_o my_o own_o word_n in_o the_o postscript_n after_o my_o letter_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la concern_v which_o he_o noat_v three_o thing_n 1._o some_o fault_n in_o that_o writing_n 2._o that_o my_o desi_n be_v by_o i_o impute_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la as_o the_o cause_n thereof_o 3._o that_o the_o complainants_n be_v to_o be_v blame_v for_o lay_v this_o complaint_n upon_o he_o to_o all_o which_o i_o will_v reply_v brief_o refer_v the_o large_a discourse_n of_o my_o matter_n to_o the_o seven_o section_n and_o those_o which_o follow_v reply_n 1._o to_o the_o first_o concern_v faulty_a and_o injurious_a relation_n of_o matter_n to_o be_v further_o examine_v hereafter_o let_v the_o reader_n but_o cast_v his_o eye_n hereafter_o upon_o sect._n 19_o where_o this_o matter_n shall_v be_v examine_v and_o he_o shall_v find_v nothing_o say_v by_o the_o answerer_n to_o evince_v that_o in_o that_o postscript_n be_v any_o fault_n or_o injurious_a relation_n of_o matter_n though_o i_o can_v easy_o show_v sundry_a fault_n and_o injurious_a relation_n of_o matter_n make_v by_o he_o to_o be_v further_o examine_v both_o in_o that_o and_o other_o section_n 2._o to_o the_o second_o that_o my_o desi_n be_v to_o be_v impute_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la 3._o p._n 147._o 3._o as_o the_o cause_n thereof_o here_o i_o may_v just_o retort_v the_o answerers_n observation_n concern_v my_o public_a censure_n of_o the_o pamphlet_n upon_o himself_o in_o reference_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la with_o some_o addition_n more_o just_o and_o say_v almost_o in_o his_o own_o word_n observe_v the_o just_a reward_n of_o the_o inordinate_a affection_n which_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la have_v show_v in_o contend_v against_o the_o church_n and_o against_o those_o minister_n who_o the_o church_n have_v desire_v to_o gratifye_v the_o answerer_n by_o the_o answerer_n himself_o complaint_n be_v call_v for_o to_o be_v direct_v against_o they_o that_o himself_o may_v escape_v nor_o be_v it_o once_o as_o it_o be_v in_o my_o case_n concern_v w._n b._n that_o he_o have_v do_v thus_o but_o often_o in_o this_o book_n nor_o be_v it_o do_v against_o man_n unknown_a as_o in_o my_o case_n but_o he_o name_v they_o &_o urge_v it_o and_o that_o in_o print_n as_o well_o as_o i_o do_v and_o though_o by_o the_o answerer_n himself_o sentence_n be_v not_o pronounce_v against_o they_o yet_o the_o evidence_n which_o he_o bring_v be_v so_o clear_a and_o so_o insist_v upon_o and_o urge_v by_o he_o rhat_o some_o will_v think_v right_a be_v not_o do_v to_o the_o answerer_n if_o sentence_n pass_v not_o against_o the_o classis_fw-la 3._o to_o the_o three_o that_o they_o unjust_o lay_v this_o complaint_n upon_o he_o why_o so_o because_o they_o say_v mr._n p._n be_v the_o only_a cause_n if_o that_o be_v the_o fault_n let_v the_o expression_n be_v alter_v and_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o only_a cause_n what_o if_o they_o say_v the_o principal_a cause_n will_v that_o please_v he_o no_o mr._n d._n contradict_v they_o in_o confess_v the_o classis_fw-la to_o be_v so_o strong_a a_o cause_n thereof_o but_o this_o be_v no_o contradiction_n to_o that_o say_n that_o he_o be_v the_o principal_a cause_n for_o the_o concur_v of_o diverse_a cause_n to_o the_o produce_v of_o one_o effect_n do_v not_o destroy_v but_o suppose_v a_o due_a subordination_n of_o cause_n so_o that_o the_o effect_n may_v be_v ascribe_v to_o either_o proper_o yet_o to_o the_o principal_a efficient_a primary_o and_o secondary_o to_o the_o instrument_n as_o if_o one_o man_n cut_v another_o with_o a_o
answer_v 7_o thing_n 1._o that_o all_o leave_v not_o their_o country_n for_o the_o same_o cause_n 2._o that_o the_o church_n do_v not_o desire_v every_o one_o of_o those_o 3._o that_o he_o may_v lawful_o oppose_v some_o of_o these_o when_o each_o of_o themselves_o be_v opposite_a one_o to_o another_o 4._o that_o in_o the_o same_o eminent_a person_n there_o may_v be_v diverse_a eminent_a offence_n and_o error_n which_o may_v be_v just_a cause_n of_o oppose_v they_o and_o refuse_v they_o as_o unfit_a minister_n for_o some_o particular_a congregation_n 5._o that_o his_o oppose_v of_o the_o election_n of_o some_o of_o these_o person_n be_v not_o a_o deprive_v the_o church_n of_o her_o power_n 6._o that_o diverse_a of_o these_o complainants_n have_v oppose_v the_o call_n of_o sundry_a worthy_a servant_n of_o god_n 7._o that_o those_o which_o be_v refuse_v be_v not_o put_v back_o by_o his_o authority_n but_o either_o by_o the_o magistrate_n classis_fw-la or_o consistory_n or_o by_o their_o own_o voluntary_a desistance_n in_o like_a manner_n my_o reply_n reply_n to_o these_o passage_n shall_v be_v 1_o more_o general_n to_o the_o whole_a discourse_n of_o this_o section_n 2_o more_o especial_a to_o the_o several_a part_n first_o in_o general_n generally_n 1._o generally_n it_o be_v to_o be_v noated_a that_o all_o his_o answer_n tend_v to_o the_o disparagement_n of_o the_o person_n who_o the_o complainants_n do_v so_o high_o reverence_n to_o let_v pass_v the_o inhumanity_n of_o reproach_v the_o absent_a and_o the_o dead_a and_o the_o impiety_n of_o his_o encourage_v the_o enemy_n of_o god_n to_o blaspheme_v who_o may_v easy_o think_v that_o they_o have_v just_a cause_n to_o revile_v and_o speak_v evil_a of_o these_o man_n when_o they_o shall_v see_v that_o this_o answerer_n spare_v they_o not_o and_o that_o in_o print_n and_o that_o i_o may_v retort_v his_o own_o word_n but_o more_o fit_o what_o wonder_n if_o they_o follow_v when_o they_o be_v so_o lead_v forth_o and_o by_o such_o a_o grave_a leader_n may_v it_o please_v the_o reader_n to_o consider_v the_o imprudence_n of_o this_o course_n 7.2_o socra_fw-la 7.2_o socrates_n report_v of_o atticus_n bishop_n of_o constantinople_n that_o he_o be_v a_o pious_a and_o prudent_a man_n and_o how_o wonderful_o say_v he_o do_v he_o promove_v the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n by_o his_o prudent_a administration_n will_v you_o know_v wherein_o he_o reconcile_v those_o that_o be_v at_o variance_n about_o the_o injury_n do_v to_o chrysostom_n to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n how_o be_v that_o effect_v by_o a_o course_n quite_o contrary_a to_o that_o which_o this_o answerer_n take_v not_o by_o disparadge_v chrysostom_n as_o unfit_a for_o the_o congregation_n but_o by_o cause_v the_o name_n of_o chrysostom_n to_o be_v mention_v in_o public_a with_o other_o bishop_n 25._o idem_fw-la cap._n 25._o i_o suppose_v in_o thancksgiving_n which_o plot_n proclus_n one_o of_o his_o successor_n follow_v and_o perfect_v to_o the_o full_a take_v away_o of_o that_o schysme_n 44._o idem_fw-la ibid._n cap._n 44._o for_o he_o persuade_v the_o emperor_n to_o translate_v the_o body_n of_o chrysostom_n that_o have_v be_v bury_v else_o where_o to_o constantinople_n and_o to_o be_v bury_v with_o much_o honour_n and_o pomp_n which_o be_v do_v give_v such_o content_n to_o his_o friend_n that_o their_o discontent_n be_v heal_v thereby_o they_o return_v to_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n so_o true_a be_v that_o proverb_n 24.3_o pro._n 24.3_o through_o wisdom_n be_v a_o house_n and_o a_o church_n also_o build_v and_o by_o understand_v it_o be_v establish_v but_o of_o contrary_a cause_n what_o can_v be_v expect_v but_o contrary_a effect_n particular_o 2._o particular_o second_o more_o particular_o and_o to_o the_o several_a particular_n i_o reply_v thus_o 1._o to_o the_o first_o that_o we_o all_o come_v out_o of_o england_n for_o one_o cause_n the_o answerer_n acknowledge_v when_o the_o say_v we_o all_o agree_v in_o the_o dislike_n of_o some_o coruption_n against_o which_o we_o have_v testify_v for_o 1._o for_o that_o cause_n we_o can_v not_o enjoy_v our_o public_a ministry_n in_o england_n 2._o be_v deny_v that_o we_o think_v it_o our_o duty_n to_o be_v of_o what_o public_a use_n we_o may_v for_o the_o service_n of_o the_o church_n in_o any_o other_o country_n where_o god_n shall_v oppn_v a_o door_n unto_o we_o and_o rather_o to_o our_o countryman_n than_o other_o what_o other_o particular_a reason_n any_o may_v have_v beside_o it_o may_v concur_v as_o a_o concausa_fw-la with_o other_o but_o that_o still_o remain_v the_o cause_n which_o be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o to_o we_o all_o 2._o to_o the_o second_o it_o be_v very_o true_a and_o may_v easy_o be_v prove_v 1._o that_o when_o a_o overture_n have_v be_v make_v for_o any_o of_o these_o man_n while_o there_o be_v hope_n none_o oppose_v their_o election_n but_o so_o many_o as_o be_v put_v upon_o it_o express_v their_o desire_n of_o they_o 2._o after_o the_o difference_n between_o this_o answerer_n and_o any_o of_o those_o man_n in_o in_o some_o opinion_n be_v know_v i_o appeal_v to_o the_o church_n whether_o they_o desire_v not_o rather_o that_o the_o answerer_n will_v compose_v such_o difference_n between_o he_o and_o they_o by_o friendly_a accommodation_n or_o pass_v it_o by_o altogether_o that_o they_o may_v enjoy_v these_o man_n then_o press_v thing_n so_o extreme_o to_o the_o deprive_v the_o church_n of_o they_o i_o be_o confident_a that_o the_o great_a and_o best_a part_n of_o the_o church_n will_v answer_v yea_o and_o i_o think_v the_o great_a and_o best_a part_n may_v well_o be_v call_v the_o church_n and_o such_o a_o declaration_n of_o their_o affection_n may_v be_v judge_v a_o sufficient_a proof_n of_o their_o desire_n 3._o to_o the_o three_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o he_o do_v not_o deny_v that_o he_o oppose_v some_o of_o these_o man_n only_o he_o know_v no_o reason_n why_o it_o shall_v be_v wonder_v at_o first_o for_o my_o part_n i_o think_v no_o man_n will_v wonder_v at_o it_o if_o by_o read_v his_o answer_n as_o he_o call_v it_o he_o have_v but_o some_o such_o insight_n into_o his_o disposition_n as_o pythagoras_n be_v say_v to_o have_v into_o the_o stature_n and_o strength_n of_o hercules_n his_o body_n by_o the_o measure_n of_o his_o foot_n second_o suppose_v those_o man_n be_v in_o some_o few_o opinion_n opposite_a each_o to_o other_o will_v that_o justify_v his_o oppose_a and_o reject_v they_o let_v he_o draw_v his_o argument_n into_o form_n of_o a_o syllogism_n and_o it_o will_v prove_v a_o mere_a sophism_n and_o to_o labour_v of_o a_o aequivocation_n in_o the_o word_n opposite_a &_o oppose_v which_o in_o the_o antecedent_n noat_v difference_n in_o judgement_n only_o which_o may_v stand_v with_o personal_a concord_n in_o the_o consequent_a it_o signifi_v personal_a opposition_n and_o so_o there_o be_v 4_o term_n in_o it_o three_o his_o whole_a argument_n be_v ground_v upon_o a_o false_a supposition_n for_o he_o suppose_v that_o opposition_n against_o the_o person_n must_v necessary_o or_o may_v warrantable_o follow_v all_o difference_n in_o judgement_n the_o contrary_a whereof_o be_v most_o true_a 5._o synodal_n dordrecht_n rem_fw-la scent_n suae_fw-la declarat_fw-la p._n 5._o when_o the_o arminian_o odious_o exaggerated_a and_o object_v against_o the_o contra-remonstrants_a their_o different_a opinion_n about_o the_o object_n of_o praedestination_n dr._n twisse_n learned_o and_o judicious_o wipe_v of_o this_o aspersion_n and_o therein_o answer_v the_o ground_n of_o this_o argument_n by_o show_v the_o personal_a agreement_n and_o love_n between_o those_o man_n that_o so_o differ_v and_o instance_v in_o calvin_n beza_n junius_n and_o piscator_fw-la 4._o vindiciae_fw-la gratiae_fw-la digr_n 1._o sect._n 4._o each_o of_o which_o have_v his_o several_a tenet_n differ_v from_o the_o other_o and_o piscator_fw-la seem_v to_o differ_v from_o they_o all_o and_o yet_o his_o high_a esteem_n of_o they_o all_o be_v manifest_a 1_o of_o junius_n in_o his_o scholia_fw-la upon_o the_o old_a testament_n 2_o of_o beza_n in_o his_o scholia_fw-la upon_o the_o new_a testament_n 3_o of_o calvin_n in_o his_o aphorism_n gather_v out_o of_o calvin_n institution_n 2._o in_o the_o sweet_a harmony_n &_o consent_n of_o the_o contra-remonstrants_a in_o oppose_v the_o error_n of_o the_o remonstrant_n and_o pelagian_o which_o appear_v in_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o synod_n at_o dort_n the_o same_o thing_n be_v verify_v in_o those_o man_n mention_v in_o this_o section_n four_o the_o premise_n be_v consider_v it_o be_v to_o be_v wonder_v at_o that_o he_o oppose_v these_o man_n &_o reject_v they_o upon_o this_o pretence_n see_v 1._o these_o man_n in_o unfeigned_a brotherly_a love_n tender_v the_o esteem_n one_o of_o another_o and_o will_v account_v it_o their_o happiness_n that_o
purpose_v if_o any_o shall_v at_o unaware_o bring_v such_o child_n who_o parent_n be_v not_o member_n we_o shall_v desire_v and_o counsel_v they_o by_o the_o coster_n without_o absolute_a denial_n to_o bring_v their_o child_n the_o next_o excercise_n follow_v that_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n there_o may_v be_v conveniency_n of_o examination_n upon_o which_o additionall_n i_o will_v note_n some_o observation_n 1._o that_o the_o elder_n and_o deacon_n do_v in_o effect_n revoke_v that_o testification_n which_o be_v last_o speak_v of_o for_o by_o their_o add_v of_o this_o to_o what_o be_v then_o do_v it_o appear_v that_o themselves_o see_v that_o the_o former_a order_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o safeguard_v i_o from_o the_o thing_n that_o i_o fear_v 2._o that_o this_o additionall_n be_v only_o a_o declaration_n of_o their_o purpose_n but_o have_v not_o the_o force_n of_o a_o order_n 3._o that_o consider_v that_o they_o purpose_v only_o to_o signify_v so_o much_o private_o to_o those_o person_n who_o shall_v at_o anytime_n so_o come_v and_o not_o to_o have_v it_o publish_v that_o the_o whole_a church_n may_v take_v knowledge_n of_o it_o and_o that_o by_o the_o coster_n a_o mean_a man_n who_o they_o to_o who_o he_o shall_v speak_v will_v easy_o slight_v and_o his_o commission_n be_v only_o to_o desire_v and_o counsel_v they_o which_o they_o will_v easy_o reject_v and_o ask_v he_o what_o he_o have_v to_o do_v to_o counsel_v they_o to_o defer_v the_o baptise_n of_o their_o child_n in_o this_o case_n what_o can_v he_o answer_v but_o this_o i_o do_v only_o desire_v and_o counsel_n you_o but_o i_o may_v not_o absolute_o deny_v you_o and_o how_o can_v such_o a_o course_n secure_v i_o here_o again_o the_o answerer_n misreport_v my_o answer_n for_o he_o affirm_v that_o this_o will_v not_o content_v i_o unless_o there_o may_v have_v benean_a absolute_a denial_n of_o baptism_n in_o such_o a_o case_n if_o entreaty_n will_v not_o serve_v but_o i_o make_v no_o such_o answer_n neither_o be_v any_o such_o answer_n record_v in_o the_o act_n of_o that_o consistory_n which_o i_o have_v purposely_o examine_v all_o that_o i_o stand_v upon_o be_v that_o a_o firm_a order_n may_v be_v make_v in_o the_o consistory_n to_o secure_v i_o from_o future_a trouble_n about_o that_o matter_n but_o this_o the_o answerer_n will_v not_o permit_v to_o be_v do_v though_o it_o may_v have_v be_v do_v without_o any_o offence_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la and_o with_o much_o content_n to_o the_o church_n so_o that_o i_o have_v just_a cause_n to_o complain_v of_o his_o want_n of_o brotherly_a moderation_n in_o this_o point_n what_o soever_o he_o seem_v to_o yield_v which_o he_o know_v be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o prevent_v the_o thing_n which_o i_o fear_v the_o follow_a passage_n be_v a_o unjust_a reproach_n which_o i_o will_v pass_v by_o have_v answer_v to_o the_o substance_n of_o it_o former_o how_o unlawful_a that_o practice_n be_v and_o how_o necessary_a it_o be_v that_o i_o shall_v witness_v against_o it_o do_v appear_v in_o my_o reply_n to_o his_o twelve_o section_n in_o conclusion_n when_o the_o elder_n pray_v i_o to_o defer_v my_o answer_n to_o another_o time_n the_o answerer_n tell_v i_o that_o when_o i_o shall_v give_v my_o answer_n if_o i_o do_v accept_v of_o this_o call_n i_o must_v promise_v to_o rest_v in_o that_o be_v to_o conform_v to_o the_o writing_n of_o the_o five_o minister_n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o not_o withstand_v all_o these_o pretence_n of_o accommodation_n conformity_n to_o that_o writing_n which_o bind_v i_o to_o this_o disorder_n of_o promiscuous_a baptise_v be_v first_o and_o last_o the_o condition_n whereupon_o my_o call_n to_o that_o ministry_n must_v stand_v or_o fall_v and_o that_o the_o answerer_n will_v have_v it_o so_o thus_o that_o day_n pass_v now_o though_o i_o have_v just_a cause_n of_o offence_n at_o these_o passage_n yet_o that_o it_o may_v appear_v how_o much_o i_o be_v for_o peace_n and_o brotherly_a concord_n the_o next_o day_n of_o their_o meeting_n be_v the_o 15_o of_o feb._n i_o come_v into_o the_o consistory_n to_o give_v my_o answer_n which_o be_v that_o if_o a_o promise_n must_v be_v make_v by_o i_o to_o conform_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o those_o minister_n set_v down_o as_o a_o order_n for_o i_o to_o rest_v in_o i_o can_v not_o do_v it_o because_o the_o promise_n of_o do_v any_o thing_n be_v a_o confession_n that_o the_o thing_n be_v lawful_a to_o be_v do_v which_o i_o do_v not_o believe_v to_o be_v so_o in_o this_o case_n yet_o because_o i_o much_o prize_v their_o love_n and_o tender_v their_o peace_n as_o i_o true_o tell_v they_o i_o be_v willing_a if_o they_o desire_v it_o to_o go_v on_o in_o assist_v the_o answerer_n as_o i_o former_o have_v do_v for_o a_o convenient_a time_n to_o see_v if_o in_o the_o interim_n by_o a_o friendly_a acquaint_v myself_o with_o the_o dutch_a minister_n i_o may_v be_v satisfy_v about_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o this_o custom_n whereunto_o my_o conformity_n be_v require_v or_o procure_v that_o this_o question_n may_v be_v lay_v down_o &_o may_v understand_v what_o those_o other_o order_n &_o custom_n of_o the_o dutch_a church_n be_v which_o i_o must_v observe_v &_o more_o full_o know_v the_o member_n &_o state_n of_o the_o english_a church_n wherewith_o i_o shall_v join_v in_o which_o motion_n i_o intend_v no_o intrusion_n which_o i_o have_v always_o abhor_v and_o be_v very_o far_o from_o in_o that_o place_n but_o only_o the_o peace_n and_o good_a of_o the_o church_n this_o the_o elder_n apprehend_v to_o be_v very_o reasonable_a &_o desire_v that_o it_o may_v take_v effect_n but_o the_o answerer_n be_v otherwise_o mind_v as_o it_o be_v in_o express_a word_n by_o the_o elder_n record_v in_o the_o act_n of_o that_o consistory_n his_o answer_n to_o the_o 19_o section_n examine_v contain_v certain_a act_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la after_o that_o my_o dissent_n and_o refusal_n of_o the_o call_n be_v know_v in_o this_o section_n we_o have_v the_o story_n of_o passage_n concern_v this_o buisenes_n in_o three_o class_n and_o with_o the_o magistrate_n but_o before_o i_o examine_v they_o it_o may_v be_v demand_v why_o this_o matter_n be_v bring_v into_o the_o classis_fw-la see_v i_o have_v in_o the_o consistory_n declare_v my_o not_o accept_v the_o call_n which_o be_v offer_v i_o upon_o those_o term_n be_v it_o because_o the_o consistory_n have_v not_o power_n to_o give_v i_o a_o convenient_a time_n for_o inform_v myself_o concern_v the_o order_n &_o custom_n of_o the_o dutch_a church_n by_o consent_n among_o themselves_o without_o seek_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la but_o i_o come_v to_o the_o particular_n concern_v the_o first_o classical_a meeting_n four_o thing_n be_v report_v 1._o their_o dislike_n of_o my_o change_n 2._o 1634._o feb._n 27._o 28._o 1634._o their_o approbation_n of_o the_o five_o minister_n wright_v 3._o the_o deputation_n of_o diverse_a minister_n to_o go_v to_o i_o 4._o the_o persuasion_n which_o these_o deputye_n use_v to_o the_o first_o the_o reader_n in_o consider_v the_o former_a section_n will_v find_v that_o my_o judgement_n have_v be_v against_o this_o promiscuous_a baptise_v which_o the_o answerer_n require_v from_o the_o first_o to_o this_o instant_n without_o any_o change_n to_o the_o second_o 1._o it_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v expect_v that_o they_o shall_v reprove_v or_o dislike_v that_o writing_n which_o be_v frame_v in_o defence_n of_o their_o custom_n 2._o if_o this_o be_v allege_v for_o the_o reproof_n of_o my_o dissent_v from_o they_o how_o easy_o can_v i_o reply_v that_o no_o synod_n of_o these_o church_n allow_v they_o to_o require_v this_o of_o i_o but_o i_o will_v answer_v he_o as_o augustine_n do_v a_o arrian_n with_o who_o he_o have_v to_o do_v say_v neither_o may_v i_o allege_v the_o council_n of_o nice_a nor_o thou_o the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n 14_o contr._n max._n arr_n cap._n 14_o thereby_o to_o prejudice_v one_o another_o but_o by_o the_o scripture_n which_o be_v witness_n proper_a to_o neither_o but_o common_a to_o boath_n matter_n with_o matter_n cause_n with_o cause_n reason_n with_o reason_n ought_v to_o be_v debate_v but_o neither_o the_o five_o minister_n produce_v any_o ground_n from_o the_o scripture_n to_o warrant_v their_o opinion_n or_o practice_n in_o this_o particular_a not_o the_o classis_fw-la to_o justifye_v their_o approbation_n and_o confirmation_n thereof_o to_o the_o three_o 1._o that_o be_v more_o fit_o call_v a_o command_n than_o a_o counsel_n wherein_o a_o man_n be_v bind_v to_o rest_n and_o that_o under_o such_o a_o paenalty_n 2._o three_o dutch_a minister_n be_v depute_v to_o speak_v with_o i_o desire_v to_o know_v what_o i_o dislike_v in_o that_o letter_n i_o answer_v they_o 1_o that_o i_o dislike_v