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A68315	The examinations of Henry Barrowe Iohn Grenewood and Iohn Penrie, before the high commissioners, and Lordes of the Counsel. Penned by the prisoners themselues before their deathes	Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.; Greenwood, John, d. 1593. aut; Penry, John, 1559-1593. aut	1596 (1596)	STC 1519; ESTC S113168	32,537	34

sinne Q. Whither may the Prince make lawes in the gouerment of the church or no A. The Scripture hath set downe sufficient lawes for the worship of God and gouerment of the church to which no man may adde or diminish Q. What say yow to the Princes supremacie is her maiestie supreme head of the church ouer al causes as wel ecclesiastical as temporal A. A supreme magistr●●● ouer al persons to punish the euil and defend the good Q. Euer al causes etc. A. No Christ is onely head of his church and his lawes may no man alter Q. The pope giueth th●● much to the Prince A. No that he doth not he setteth himself aboue Princes ●nd exempteth his preisthod from the magestrates sword Q. What say yow to the oath of the Queenes supremacie wil yow answer to it If these ecclesiastical orders be meant such as be agreeable vnto the scriptures I wil for I deny al forreigne power Q. It is meant the order and government with al the lawes in the church as it is now established A Then I wil not answer to approue thereof A breif summe of the examination of John Penrie by the right worshipful Mr. Fanshaw and Mr. Justice Young the 10. of the fourth moueth April 1593. Fansh IT is strange vnto me that yow hold such opinions Penry as none of the learned of this age or any of the martyrs of former times mainterned Can yow shew any writers either old or new that haue bene of your iudgement Penr I hold nothing but what I wilbe bound to proue out of the written word of God and wil shew in regard of the special pointes controverted to haue bene mainteyned by the holy martyrs of this land who first assailed the Babylonis● Romane kingdome as namely by Mr. Wicliffe Mr. Brute Mr. Purvey Mr. White etc. with many other the famous witnesses and martyrs of Christ in former times and by Mr. Tindal Mr. Lambert Mr. Barnes Mr. Lat●●er etc. the lordes most blessed witnesses of this latter age I spea● nothing here of the doctrine and practise of the reformed churches mother countries whom I haue wholly of my side in the controversies of greatest moment F. But doe the martyrs teach yow that ther is no church of Christ in England P. If yow meane by a church as the most doe that publick profession wherby men doe professe saluation to be had by the death and righteousnes of Jesus Christ I am free from denping any church of Christ to be in this land for I know the doctrine touching the holy trinitie the natures and offices of the Lord Jesus free iustification by him both the Sacramentes etc. published by her maiesties authoritie and commaunded by her lawes to be the Lordes blessed and vndoubted truthes without the knowledge and profession wherof no saluation is to be had F. Seing yow acknowledge that her maiestie hath established the truth in so many weightie pomtes seing she hath commaunded the true Sacramentes to be administred what mislike yow in our church and why wil yow not be partaker of these truthes and Sacramentes with vs. P. I mislike 1. the false ecc●estastical offices 2. the manner of caling vnto the offices 3. a great parte of the workes wherin these false officers are imployed 4. the maintenance or livinges wherby they are mainteyned in their offices al which I wilbe bound to proue by the Lords helpe to be deriued not from Jesus Christ but from the kingdome of Antichrist his great enemie And therfore for as much as I cannot be partaker of the former holy thinges of God but I must be subiect vnto the power of Antichrist in these officers and knowen by those markes wherby his subiectes are noted therfore I am enforced and bound to seek the comfort of the word and Sacramentes wher I may haue them without the submitting of my self vnto any ecclesiastical power in religion saue onely vnto that which is deriued from Christ Jesus the Lord in whom al fulnes of power dwelleth Col. 1. 19. and from whom al those must deriue their power and office vnto whom the saintes of God are to submitte their consciences to be wrought vpon in religion Againe seing the forenamed 4. enormities of this church are markes which properly belong vnto the kingdome of the Beast viz. of the Romane Antichrist we dare not haue any communion and fellowship with them nor be knowen by them least we should be partakers of those most fearful and most dreadful iudgementes which are denounced by the spirit of God against al those that haue communion with any of the irreligious inventions of that Beast Reuel 14 9. 10. These are the thinges togither with the want of Christes true order which I especially mislike and the special causes why I dare not ioyne with the assemblies of this Land 1. the false offices wherby these assemblies are guided and by whom the whole worship is performed in them 2. their manner of caling 3. a great part of the devised workes wherin these officers are conversant 4. the livinges consecrated sometimes vnto Idols for the most part wherby they are susteyned in their offices F. What offices meane yow P. I meane the offices of Lord Arch Bbs. and Bbs. Archdeatons Commissaries Chancellors Oeanes Canons Prebendaries Preistes Deacons etc. Al which properly belong to no other bodie either 〈…〉 or 〈…〉 but onely vnto the Romish Church wh●●● they were first invented where they now are and by whom they were left in this lande when the head of that body the Pope and some other of his members were cast out by her maiestie and our soueraigne Lord her noble father The church of Christ is perfect without them in al her offices the ciuil state is absolute without them for they are ecclesiastical Heathen idolatrie hath them not and requireth them not onely the kingdome of Antichrist can in no wise be whole and entire without them wherof as I say they are visible and knowne members Now if it be not lawful for me or any other member of Christ to be subiect vnto the orders and cerimonies of the old law as circumcision etc. Which sometimes were the Lordes owne blessed ordinances how can it be but sin vnto vs to be subiect to the constitutions of Antichrist the maine adversarie of the Lo. Jesus The Lord hath not deliuered vs from the Yoke of his owne law that we should be in bondage vnto the inventions and order of Antichristes kingdome and offices F. Belike yow would haue no other offices in the church now in the time of peace and prosperitie then were in the Apostles dayes vnder persecution P. Ther is great reason we should not for if the order left by Moses in the church was not to be altered to be diminished or added vnto except it were by special commaundement from the Lord 1. Chron. 28 19. then may not any man or Angel but upon the same warrant adde any thing vnto that holy forme which the sonne of

not an oath ther must great regard and reuerence be vsed in an oath and an oath for confirmation ought to be the ende of al strife My Lo. if I should erre and deliuer it vpon mine oath for truth it were a double sinne likewise if I should eyther not know not remember or not vtter the whole truth I were by such a rash oath forsworne But by Gods grace I wil answer nothing but the truth Cant. A Christian mans word ought to be as true as his oath we wil proceed with yow without your oath and taking a paper of Interr in his hand said what say yow to this Is it lawful to say the Pater noster publickly in the church or priuatly as a prayer or no B. I know not what yow meane by your Pater noster vnlesse peradventure that forme for prayer which our sauiour Christ taught his disciples commonly called the Lordes prayer Cant. I so meane Then commanded he the first question to be thus written Quest 1. Whither he thinketh the Lordes prayer may publickly in the Church or privatly be vsed as a prayer or no When I had expressed my minde the Arch B. commaunded it should be recorded but I desired the judges that I might with my owne hande write my owne answers which was graunted me My answer then to the first question was Ans It is to be vsed to that ende for which it was giuen by our sauiour Christ to his disciples as a sununarie ground-worke or foundation of al faithful prayers wherby to instruct and assure their consciēces that their petitions are according to the wil and glory of God But that these prescript wordes are i●io●ned or that Christ 〈…〉 in the scripture Moreouer I see not how it can be vsed as a prayer seing that our particuler wantes and present occasions and necessitie● are not therin expressed And therfore I thinke it not to be vsed as a prayer Heere the Arch B. cried out for breuitie and would not suffer me to answer any more questions at large Quest 2. Wither he thinketh that any Leitourgies or prescript formes of prayer may be imposed vpon the church and whither al read and stinted prayers be mere babling in Gods sight Ans I finde in the worde of God 〈◊〉 such authoritie giuen to any man neither such stinted leitourgies prescribed or vsed in the primitiue churches and therfore hold it high presumtion to impose any one deuised Apocrypha praier vpon the church Q. 3. Whither he thinketh that the common praiers commaunded by the publick authoritie of this land be idolatrous superstitious and popish A. I thinke that this book of common prayer publickly inioyned and receiued in the assemblies of this lande is wel nigh altogither idolatrous superstitious and popish Q. 4. Whither he thinketh that the Sacraments which are publikly administred in the church of England be true Sacramentes or no A. I thinke that the Sacramētes as they are ministred in these publike assemblies are not true Sacramentes and seale not the fauour and blessing of God vnto them Q. 5. Whither he thinketh that the lawes and gouerment of the church of England now by authoritie established be vnlawful and Antichristian or no A. Because the lawes decrees and canons of your church are so many and infinite I can not iudge of them al because I know not al but this I say that many of them as also your Ecclesiastical courtes and gouernours are vnlawful and Antichristian Q. 6. Whither he thinketh that such as haue bene baptised in the church of England since Queene Elisabethes reigne haue bene rightly baptised or ought to be baptised againe A. I thinke as before of yowr Sacramentes that they haue not bene rightly baptised according to the institution of Christ Yet that they need not neither ought to be baptised againe I doubt least the Arch B. hearing my answer of rebaptising caused it to be left out of the question and my answer taking that which might best serue their owne turne to bring vs into suspicion of error and hatred Herevnto many speeches arising of the true and false Sacramentes ministerie gouerment as also of the true and false church I shewed that the false church had also her Sacramentes ministery gouerment though not aright Then Judge Anderson caused this question to be moued to me Q 7. Whither the church of England as it standeth now established be the true established church of Christ and whither the people therin be the true and faithful people of God or no. A. I thinke that these parish assemblies as they stand generally in England are not the true established churches of Christ and that the people as they now stand in this disorder and confusion in them are not to be held the true and faithful people of Christ Here the Judge Anderson took exception as the B. of Lond. also at these wordes parish assemblies I answered the Judge that I could not for some weightie respectes spare him that word for I doubted not but that the Lord had many pretious and elect vessels among them whom he wil in his good time cal forth whom it became not me absolutely to iudge least I should enter into Gods seat Yet I could not in the meane time whiles they stand members of these assemblies count them faithful To the B. I said that when they should better consider of mine answer they should haue lesse cause to finde fault Much trouble we had before we could agree of the state and wordes of their questions with putting out and changing which discourses it is not my purpose here to set downe so much as the questions and answers agreed vpon and recorded although 〈◊〉 some causes knowne to my selfe and to some of their consciences which may hereafter be knowne to al the world I thought it not imper●●nent to insert this Q 8. Whither he thinketh the Queenes maiestie be supreme gouernour of the church and whither she may ma●e lawes for the church which are not contrary to the word of God or no A. I thinke the Queenes maiestie svpreme gouernour of the whole land and ouer the church also bodies and goods but I thinke that no Prince neither the whole world neither the chvrch it self may make any lawes for the church other then Christ hath already left in his worde Yet I thinke it the dutie of euery Christian and principally of the Prince to enquire out and re●●e the lawes of God and stir vp al their subiectes to more diligent and careful keeping of the same A● we had much a doe to come to the state of this question so the 〈◊〉 shewed themselues euil satisfied with my answer and said that the Papistes dealt more simply then I did and surely they very greevouslie interrupted me with slanders euil speeches and blasphemes during the time of my writing these answers especially the B of Lond. so that I was euen inforced sometime to turne vnto him and shew him of his shamelesse vntruthes and