gouernours Aunswere to that he sayeth of the Elder he nedeth none alleadging no reason and th' authoritie of the Apostle calling them Gouernours is so weightie for it as if he had put all the reasons hee could alleadge into the counterballance they would way no maner of weight against it That which he speaketh of Wydowes 1. Cor. 12. sheweth he hath not bin of anie long time exercised in these poyntes but for some purpose hath drawen and forced him selfe Now to seeke an occasion three or foure yeares after the publishing of the booke hee dealeth with to be seene to be a Defendour of the present state of our Church For otherwise he might haue vnderstoode that Deacons are not accounted gouernours much les Wydowes but onely Pastours Teachers and Elders to whom onely the guyding of the publique state of the Church belongeth In the next place with as much agreement with the matter of the sentence which he discourseth vpon as the former were hee compareth Elders with syde-men church-wardens whereby it seemeth he had before apprehended the matters so as if none should be esteemed ecclesiasticall persons but such as were within some degree of priesthoode and had taken orders as they call it But he vnderstandeth it better nowe for as hee compareth it they are no more of the ministerie then sydemen and Church-wardens are The next poynt is of the sence of ecclesiasticall gouernement if by it sayeth hee be meant that hir Maiestie taketh vpon her to minister the worde and Sacraments For that I take it he would say in his dark speach this is a slaunder of the papistes If her gouernement in or ouer ecclesiasticall causes we admitte your sense and proceede to the obiection and aunswere I aunswere the Declaration meaneth neither of both which are as farre from the matter spoken of in the Declaration as if with his long wandring he had both lost his way and him selfe too There was no cause why he should stand thus guessing at the meaning the sense being playne to be this that in a treatise of ecclesiasticall gouernement shewing th' order which God hath appoynted for the directing of his church it may be some would looke such a treatise should treate first of the supreame power of christian Princes So as ecclesiasticall gouernement is that whiche the Declaration sayeth to be appoynted of God and neyther concerneth the slaunder of the Papistes nor his construction and therefore notwithstanding that be not the sense it were time he proceeded to that which followeth In the first sentence of the Declaration wherein the foresayde obiection whose answere followeth is layde out the Replyer chooseth certayne wordes to discourse vpon before he come to the substance body of the matter contayned in the sentence According to which purpose of his hee hath spoken firste of but whyle the two first wordes of the sentence in this place of the Declaration and then of ecclesiasticall gouernement being of the next nowe he proceedeth to the worde some it being sayd in the declaration that it may bee thought of some and playeth with some and many and such like speache After it being sayde in the same sentence that it may seeme to some wee should treate firste of the Supreame authoritie of Christian Princes hee standeth vppon the wordes Supreme authoritie and demaundeth whether it be so called by waye of supposition or assertion then resoluing him selfe of the latter he demaundeth agayne howe this agreeth with that which was sayd before that all ecclesiasticall matters are to bee directed onely by foure officers of the Church which he scornefullie calleth Tetrarkes He might easilie haue discerned the aunswere to this with a little consideration For the wordes of the Declaration are these There remayneth of these before rehearsed onely in the Church these ecclesiasticall offices instituted of GOD namely Pastours Doctours Gouernours and Deacons by which the Church of God may accordinge to his worde be directed in all matters which are commonly called Ecclesiasticall Wherein it is playne that the Declaration speaketh of such officers as should deale in their owne persons in preaching the worde ministring the Sacramentes executing the power and censures of the Church and relieuing of the poore and sayth that of all the giftes and offices as Apostles Euangelistes and such like which God gaue to his Church in the beginning there onely nowe remayne these ordinarie officers for directing and dealing in these cases of the Church Which although it be as farre of as the East is from the West from excluding the supreme power of the ciuill Magistrate by the ciuill sworde to protect or punishe such as in those callings acquite them selues well or fayle in duetie yet hee not only moueth this question but prosecuteth it in this maner First hee demaundeth whether the Prince be one of those foure and if no because they are all ecclesiasticall officers and the Prince not but a supreme Gouuernour yet howe can they direct all causes and the Prince bee supreme Gouuernour except there be some quircke founde out betwene direction and gouernement And then they directing and the Prince gouerning according to their direction they giue the name to the Prince and keepe the power to them selues as the Pope of Roome dealeth with the Emperour whiche were but a mockerie But if they truely and vnfaynedly acknowledge Princes supreame Gouernours in all ecclesiasticall causes then stoupe gallant all these foure estates are topsie turnie ouerturned And then why yeelde they not to the ecclesiasticall gouernement by such authoritie established And if they haue the first degree in dignitie why may they not haue the first place in the treatise except the last place be greatest with them in power as in Parliament the voyce of the Prince And then a Gods name proceede on let them say as the Gentlemen-Vshers doe before Princes On afore my Lordes let all these foure estates take their places before because these our learned discoursers so assigne them We will not striue about the roome so the right bee reserued yet no reason to the cōtrarie but that they should first haue intreated of the supreme authoritie of Princes and after of the rest that so it might haue bin perceyued whether they had encroched vpon their power or no. And this me thinketh had bin a better order then where all are placed to saye Your Maiestie is come late these foure are your Senyours you are but their punyes be content you must take that whiche is left And thus farre vpon the sundrie wordes and partes of the first sentence conteyning the obiectiō which is answered To books which are full of such matter as this is may it be fitlie applyed that Salomon sayeth There is no ende of making them and that they are a wearines to the fleshe Eccle. 12.14 What fruite may there bee of all this wast speach that is nothing to the purpose and what a wearines is it to followe one that runneth at no
bee indifferent Judges For whatsoeuer shall please the ciuill Magistrate or them selues to call or count indifferent it muste bee so holden of all men without any further inquirie But of the supreme authoritie of Christian Princes in ecclesiasticall causes howe farre it extendeth by the worde of God we shall haue better occasion to intreate hereafter when we haue described the ecclesiasticall state Here he first standeth vppon the worde others with much tryfling and toying seeking who these others may be which in generall hee may playnely perceyue by the declaration of their opinion that is that those others are such as holde the opinion there declared Next he examineth these wordes with more colour of reason then these wordes of indifferent matters Whereof he would enforce the Declaration to affirme such others to leaue all indifferent matters to the onely disposition of Princes at their pleasure Wherevnto hee replyeth that no good Prince doeth without aduyse of their coūsell determine of matters notwithstanding he affirmeth the authoritie and lyfe of such decrees to lye onely in the Princes disposition For Salomon him selfe had his counsell yet sheweth he not by anie sufficient authoritie or reason that Salomon or anie of the godly and vertuous Kings of Iuda determined by aduyse of their counsell and commaunded anie such matters of the Ministers apparell or any order gouernement ryte or ceremonie in the Church or what the Replyer may thinke to bee most indifferent in that kinde Whiche had bin very fitte for him to haue done the matter being of no small importance which he also setteth out to the vttermost saying That it is this day a great question and toucheth the matter to the quicke what the authoritie of Christian Princes is in the disposition of indifferent matters Why then did not he if hee would gage thus deepe into this vessell as to affirme all indifferent things to be as touching power and authoritie meerlie at the disposition of the Prince alleadge vs some authoritie of the Prophetes or Apostles or some auncient President and example of Dauid or Salomon or some other of the godly zealous Princes and Kings of Iuda But it was not because he would like a graue and sounde Diuine resolue his Reader of this poynt but for that as he sayeth it toucheth the quicke and might serue him to bring some man to question of his life as denying the Supremacie that he vrgeth so much this matter Which yet as hir Maiestie hath not at any time so pursued so is it to be hoped hir gracious disposition to religion and iustice will not suffer hir hereafter to pursue how clamorouslie soeuer such aduocates of iniustice shall crye out that it toucheth the supremacie For so long as it is acknowledged with all duetifull and godlie reuerence of her Maiesties Soueraigne authoritie that the same power belongeth to hir highnes Royall state Crowne and dignitie that at this time any soueraigne Prince vpon the earth doeth lawfullie exercise ouer his people or any of the Kings of Iuda euer enioyed in their time by the word of God although it bee denied that that fulnes of power which the Pope most vnlawfully vsurped in things eyther contrarie to the cōmaundements of Amightie God or peculiar to our Sauiour Christ can bee lawfullie chalenged by any Christian Prince Religion and Iustice will aunswere in such case that this is no more Luke 20.25 then as wee are taught in the Gospell Giue to God that which is Gods and to Caesar that which is due to Caesar The Replyer here rayseth great expectation in his reader to looke for some resolution by the Declaration concerning this question what the power of the soueraigne Magistrate is in matters indifferent affirming this case to be moued by the Declaration and therefore to haue bin thorowlie aunswered being so important which is nothing so For the Declaration nameth no such case nor question as to enter into the debating of that matter whiche would bee heere wholy out of place but by the way and vpon such occasion as hath bene declared maketh mention of some vn-indifferent mens opinions concerning the power of Princes in indifferent matters A vsuall thing in all good writers and allowed by all men of sounde reason and iudgement by occasion to touche a matter without being bounde thereby to enter into the discourse of it But if he were so desirous to haue this matter treated of why did not he take this occasion to shewe vs by the word of god what the power of christian Princes is in such cases and to prooue by sufficient and strong authorities and other reasons that the ordinarie guyding of the Churche in matters indifferent as well as in all other is not lefte of our Sauiour Christe to ecclesiasticall officers that is neyther to the particular assemblie of Elders for a particular Church nor for more to a more generall nor for the Church of a nation to a lawfull Nationall Synode He should haue shewed vs by like proofe that the Christian soueraigne Magistrate receyueth increase of ciuill power ouer the Church by reason of his Christian profession and fayth Then should hee haue prooued that if anie of the Princes whiche are Heathen were by the mightie worke of GOD conuerted to the obedience of the faith of Christ hee should not onely thereby stande charged to honour God with the lawfull and holy vse of that ciuill power whiche hee had before his conuersion applying it nowe to the maintenance of Gods true seruice and seruauntes protecting and comforting them in well doing as farre as his ciuill power and authoritie may doe it and enforcinge by the same power all men to that which by the same holy religion is duetifull for them to doe as all other men are in like case to vse their giftes of vnderstandinge knowledge counsell wisedome power and authoritie or what soeuer when they haue found fauour of GOD to bee conuerted to the precious faith of our Sauiour Christ but that togither with the fayth hee receyueth besides the charge of the holy vse of the power whiche hee had whyle hee was yet in his paganisme a further increase of power whereby hee may in matters appertayninge to Religion appoynte and ordayne of all thinges indifferent so as the assemblies of Elders and Synodes Prouinciall and Nationall are to leese that authoritie in such cases before exercised by them and to render it vppe to that power as of right and duetie belonging to it But leauing the proofe of all or any of these poyntes hee complayneth that by any occasion this matter was once mentioned by the Declaration except it had bin thoroughlie debated yet least he should leese all his labour in sifting and winnowing like wheate these wordes of the Declaration hee laboureth to gayne some allowance from it of this poynt Which is that indifferent matters are to bee reserued onely to the disposition of Princes which he would enforce in this maner The Declaration as hath
withall to encourage and mainteyne the same In all whose giftes dedicated so to God as the Church hath great helpe and comfort so especiallie in those which most yeeld that helpe and comfort such as are the blessing of authoritie and power bestowed of GOD vpon soueraigne Princes which being sanctifyed and consecrated to the seruice and honour of God that gaue it the wicked both in the ecclesiiasticall and ciuill state are by ciuill power and punishment enforced to doe their dueties and the godlie in both estates are protected in their innocencie and well-doeing from all such as would oppresse them The holy storie declareth that religious and noble Kings of Iuda haue made sundrie ciuill statutes to th'enforcing of all to worship God in general and by their power haue punished false prophetes and idolatours haue commaunded the priests to doe such dueties as they stoode charged to performe that the true seruice of God might be restored and established agayne amongest his people Iere. 26.16 We reade that when the Priestes would most wickedlie and vniustlie haue condemned Jeremie to death diuers of the Kings counsell came vppon them and by their authoritie deliuered him out of their handes Ierem. 38.11 12.13 Another time a noble mā hauing fauour with the king deliuered him out of prison And an other time the King him selfe relieued the Prophete by remoouing him from Iehonathans prison Iere. 37.15.16.17 Like examples reade we many of the Emperours Christians to the immortall prayse of God for it and the perpetuall honour of such Princes We see diuers such Josias Constantins in this age of which spirit the Lorde poure out yet greater aboūdance from aboue for the exceeding great helpe and comfort that we finde and vppon such a largesse hope yet to finde in greater aboundance by the sanctifyed power of Christian Princes For they looking into former presidentes of auncient times and seeing cause of like duetie to bee performed by them selues no doubt will be carefull that all ecclesiasticall offices and orders not of God nor agreeable to his worde be abolished and all such established as he hath commaunded Then not onely Princes shall receyue honour of their style of Supremacie but the Church shall receyue also great comfort and benefite by it in punishinge such as shall without iust cause saye to the Prophete Prophecie not and to the Preachers preache not a matter not onely in highest degree offensiue to the Maiestie of Almightie God and against the saluation of mens soules but also vnprofitable for their Crownes seeing ignorance is the mother of all rebellion the knowledge of God of all trew loue and obedience If any of them beate their fellow-seruauntes ☞ or sitte downe to drink with the drunken and neglect the Lords housholde they will take knowledge of the abuses and wronges offred to the seruauntes of God and graciouslie heare and redresse their iniuries So great difference is there betweene Gallio suffringe a man to be beaten at his barre and profanely neglecting it and caring for no such things as were questions of Religion a Christian Prince fearing God in trueth and in deede In questions amongest the Ministers according to the example of Constantine and others they would cause the matters to bee hearde and debated in a soly and free Synode and assemblie and without respect of persons authorize that which should be most agreeable to Gods worde In cases of publique calamities threatning or lying vpon the Church if the ecclesiasticall officers were negligent carelesse in it they would cause by due order a publike fast to bee kept by all their subiectes that the wrath of God might be turned away and his fauour reconcyled agayne vnto his people Finallie their ciuill power would enforce all men to honour God and liue in duetie one to wardes another as they ought defending the godlie against the mightie oppressour the staffe of the wrath of the good and the violent man and punishe the iniquities of the wicked according to their desertes in iustice and equitie These and many more which by these may be considered are the helpes commodities and benefites which the Church of God doeth and may receyue by meanes of Christian Princes Notwithstanding they make no other lawes officers nor orders in the Churche then our Sauiour Christe hath alreadie made and established Which may suffice for a number of the Repliers questions and other speaches tendinge to this that there should be little or no vse of christian Princes if the regiment of the church be perfect without them In which discourse allowing in some sorte the regiment of the primitiue Church perfect because of the Apostles Euangelistes and Prophetes whom then God gaue to the church he sayeth those offices were giuen as temporarie aydes to supplie th'aydes of Christian Princes which can not be so in anie sorte For there is no maner of proportion betweene their offices the one being for preaching the worde and other such like ecclesiasticall functions th' other for ciuill gouernement the one by a spirituall power the other by a temporall besides a number of other differences whiche may easilie shewe the one could in no sorte serue for supply of the other Further if it had bin so then should the Apostles and the rest of those extraordinarie officers who he sayth were giuen for supplie of the wante of the ordinarie authoritie of Princes they should then haue continued about 300. yeares longer then they did euen to Constantines time Nay then they should haue bene alwayes such to this day and shal be to the ende of the worlde in such partes of the Church where the former are enimies to Religion otherwise wanting both them and the supply the Church might seeme weakelie prouided for But as the noueltie of this poynt nowe first deuysed the vanitie is so easilie manifest as I shall not neede to tary longer vppon it wherfore nowe I procede to that which foloweth in his reply Hitherto the Replyer hath laboured in vayne to shewe that if it were graunted that in the primitiue Church there was yet no Prince become Christian notwithstanding the regiment of the Church was not perfect before there was any christian Prince Nowe he pretendeth to proceede further to prooue that proposition vntrew which sayeth there was not any christian Prince then For this vntowardly hath hee set it down so as it can not be plainlie vnderstood to what time his then is to be referred and chaungeth the wordes of the declaratiō whiche are these That all the regiment of the Church was perfect before there was any Christian Prince Which proposition hee should haue vndertaken to haue spoken to if he would haue sayde any thing to the Declaration But after hee hath sette downe this proposition to him selfe to prooue it vntrewe that there was not any Christian Prince then hee leaueth the matter he vndertooke and turneth asyde to another thing saying albeit so this be no good argument
downe in these wordes By which it is manifest that the regiment and gouernement thereof dependeth not vppon the authoritie of Princes but vpon the ordinaunce of God who hath most mercifullie and wisely so established the same that as with the comfortable ayde of Christian Magistrates it may singularlie flourish and prosper so without it it may continue and against the aduersaries thereof preuayle For the Church craueth helpe and defence of Christian Princes to continue and goe forwarde more peaceably and profitably to the setting vp of the kingdome of Christ but all hir authoritie she receyueth immediatly frō God The Replyer can not or will not see that which is manifest but denieth this consequence to seeme so to him and here his seas ryse so hye that he sayth it is manifest violent conclusion yea a manifest iniurie both to God and his Church and to all the authoritie of all Christian Princes and most manifest wrong vnto her Maiestie If the lawe of God had not forbidden it that anie matter should be helde certayne in iudgement vnder two or three witnesses and if the testimonie of one man were inough to condemne another it would haue gone hard I see with the authour of the declaratiō but seeing his worde is to carrie no more credit with it then he can bring sufficient reason for it to make it good let his reason be considered His reason is that it is insinuated that hir Maiestie for clayming supreme authoritie in ecclesiasticall causes claymeth withall that the regiment of the Church dependeth vppon hir authoritie Which if any reasonable man liuing that is not a parciall fauourer or fauourite of the Hierarchie can gather out of these wordes of the Declaration I pleade for it no longer But this he sayeth is aggreeued in the opposition of Gods ordinance to the authoritie of Princes as if Magistracie were not the ordinance of God addinge that neyther Papistes nor Anabaptistes could haue set downe a sharper cōclusion against th' authoritie of Princes then this is Whiche are false alarums and exclamations or accusations as vayne as the curse that is causeles Prou. 26.2 and therefore as Salomon sayth vanishe away in the ayre Which although it haue no proofe nor sense it it yet passing on to the next wordes of the Declaratiō Which he sayeth are added to smooth the former hee maketh another loude outcrie This is another great iniurie offered to Christian Princes who by these wordes are thrust not onely out of all authoritie in the Church but eyther out of the Church altogither as no part of it at all or at least a contentions part striuing in the Church for authoritie His proofe is this For what els meane they by these words The Church craueth helpe and defence of Christian Princes but that they separate the Christian Prince and the Church If the honourable sworde of iustice committed to soueraigne Princes for protecting the good subiect and punishinge the euill were at the commaundement of such Chapleynes as this Replyer is I see by his often accusations of slaundering and iniuring the Prince without all cause or colour it would leese the honour it ought to haue being made a weapon of iniustice In the lawe of Moses if a man had charged another with any crime Deut. 19.19 if he made not good proofe of his accusation as he would haue done to another by his false witnesse so was it to be done to him whether it were a matter of member or of lyfe If the Replyer feared to bee dealte with according to this rule he would not bee so readie to laye so great crymes to any mans charge vppon no reason But because informers may bee hearde they saye for the Prince and neuer come to question although the accusation be neuer so vniust it seemeth hee emboldeneth him selfe vppon some such like assurance By this occasion hee inquireth who should bee meant by the Church whether the people whiche hee thinketh can not or the foure Tetrarkes as hee calleth them in his scorners speache and this hee taketh and compareth them with popishe priestes who hee sayeth gaue the same power and authoritie vnto Christian Princes that is giuen heere and with better tearmes Wherein if hee looke backe to former tymes or consider well what the papistes esteeme of the othe of the Supremacie and what is done in kingdomes subiect to the Bishop of Roome and compare it with that which the Declaration and all they in whose behalfe it was published doe most willinglie acknowledge by protestation and also by othe to bee the moste due honour of the Soueraigne Magistrate hee shall easelie see howe vniust this charge is as well as are his other There was a purpose I thinke hee will saye when the statute for recognition of hir Maiesties Souueraingtie was made to agnise to the vttermost by that othe all the Regalities rightes and honours due to that high and soueraigne estate Whiche if it were attayned vnto howe can hee charge anie with derogation from the Princes right and iust authoritie that taketh willinglie that othe and acknowledgeth the authoritie there agnized euen as it is expounded by hir Maiesties owne iniunctions by the Articles of the conuocation house and sundrie bookes published with great allowance of the state But to this poynt there is sufficientlie sayde before both in this treatise and in the answere to the preface of his replie He cauilleth here about that the Declaration sayeth All the authoritie which the Church hath is immediatlie of God and mooueth manie friuoulous questions about it But if hee had disallowed it he should haue entred into the handling of it and shewed by sufficient proofe of holy Scripture that the Church holdeth not all hir authoritie immediatly of God but holdeth some part of it mediatlie of Princes as meane Lordes vnder the highest Some offer hee maketh of it alleadginge the authoritie of the godlie and vertuous Kings and Rulers of Jsraell and Iuda which if it be all that he can say in that cause let him vnderstande that as it hath bin in this cause professed on our behalfe by some other so nowe agayne we truely and vnfaynedly professe to acknowledge in Christian Princes all that power and authoritie that the Prophetes doe any where iustifie to haue bin in the Rulers of Gods people at any time I adde yet further that whereas he pretendinge to speake most largelie of this authoritie sayeth Princes haue not the ecclesiasticall Ministers peculiar offices and ecclesiasticall authoritie to execute the actes proper to their ecclesiasticall functions but haue authoritie to ouersee gouerne and direct all ecclesiasticall persons to doe their dueties in all ecclesiasticall causes and haue the highest authoritie that is ciuill in the Church for the orderinge disposinge and authorizinge anie order or constitution ecclesiasticall in indifferent matters Wee acknowledge and professe the same Where if we be nothing short of the largest measure that hee can laye before vs I trust he will hereafter teache his tongue to speake and his penne to write of vs more agreeably to Christian charitie wisedome and modestie then hee hath done in this first booke of his Reply Whiche ending heere with a contrarie conclusion to the Declaration for the order of the treatise a matter little worthie the striuing about I leaue the consideration of it to the Christian Reader vppon such reasons as haue bene debated betweene vs and ende also here the firste part of this my labour FINIS
Ministerie of the worde and Sacramentes to be necessarie for them Mat. 7.6 Mat. 16. Actes 1.8 and that therefore it was needefull the Lorde should leaue a certaine order for the directing of his Church in that administration and ministerie Which also because it was so needefull the holy Scriptures declare him to haue done Mat. 28.19 For touching the worde what should bee preached and by whom and vnto whom with all other necessarie circumstances euen in outwarde things he gaue certaine order vnto his Disciples Likewise for Baptisme both before his death Matt. 18 2◠and at his ascension into heauen he instructed them in what outwarde maner they were to administer it and vnto what persons Of the Lords supper the Apostle sayeth That whiche I receyued of the Lorde I haue deliuered vnto you plainly declaring that the Lorde had deliuered vnto him a certayne order for the outwarde administration of his Supper These things and the like which might be saide of the other pointes of the outwarde Discipline of the Church the Replyer against it did not well consider in making no externall forme of gouernement necessarie but perseuerance in fayth and hope Nay it may seeme hee did not well remember that in other places the necessitie of continuing the present gouernement of BB. and Archbishops Priestes and Deacons such as wee haue amongst vs is affirmed to haue ground and cōtinuance from the very Apostles who also are sayde to haue made Timothy and Titus such For which cause also at the ordination of euerie of them certayne places of the Scripture are appointed to be read as cōteyning their Institution and ordinance in the Church But howe truelie and faithfullie such places are alleadged for that purpose there are but fewe but vpon the reading of those textes of Scripture may discerne Yet howsoeuer they fayle in their proofe that seeke the confirmation of the Hierarchie so commonly called this appeareth by their owne allegations that sometimes and in parte they would perswade men that there is an externall forme of administratiō of the Church appointed by our Sauior Christ Which would to God they did not onely sometimes and in parte but alwayes and altogither perswade them selues and others as the trueth is in deede that God hath set downe in his holy worde a certayne forme of gouerning the Church of Christ necessarie and perpetuall by particular directions in all the chiefe and principall pointes and by generall rules for time place and such like circumstances and that they would rather labour with vs to shewe what the same is by the worde of God then to striue for the contrarie that there is no certaine forme at all The proofe of this point that there is a certayne and perpetuall order set downe in the word of God for the guyding of the Church in ecclesiasticall matters hath bin often made by diuers who haue trauayled in this cause as appeareth in their bookes But because the Replyer denieth it to haue bene proued yet it shall not bee amisse to laye downe brieflie such reasons in this place as may serue for that purpose From the beginning of the world there hath bin ordayned of God a certayne externall forme for directing the Church such as seemed good to his heauenlie wisedome and agreed best with that time for which it serued both before and vnder the Lawe euen from Adam to Christ Whiche for suche time was not to be altered by anie liuing creature Therefore there is also some certayne forme of administring the church of God from the time of our Sauiour Christe to the ende of the worlde which is not alterable nor to be chaunged by anie power of man For God being as able and as willing to doe this good vnto his Church in these last dayes as in anie time before and there being no sufficient reason to be rendred of such difference why those times should be so regarded and this not it must needes be that there is a certayne forme sett downe in the worde of God for the outwarde administration of the Church Againe the externall administration of the church vnder the Law was such as had proceeded from God and was not altered nor to be altered by any King or Priest whatsoeuer For the first plat was giuen in the mount what alteration after was made by Dauid or others was not of them selues 2. Chro. 8. and 25.26 2. Chr. 29.25 but by speciall and particular direction of God by the Prophetes Therefore if no iust reason of difference be to bee shewed to the contrarie as there is not it must be confessed that God hath ordayned a certayne externall forme of gouuernement for the Church in this time and not left it to the arbitrarie direction and lawes of any men whatsoeuer Further where there is a Ministerie and dispensation of holy things ordayned there must needes bee an order sett downe for the deliuering and disposinge of them Otherwise they must of necessitie be exposed to certayne prophanation therfore such ordinances accompanie such administrations and haue both their beginning and ending with them So in the Lawe the Priesthoode being appointed for the ministerie of things that were holy there was withall a lawe of ordinances giuen for certayne direction of their office whiche lawe also ceased and was abolished when the Priesthoode was translated and taken away from the house of Leui as wee are taught in the example of the Hebrewes In like maner Hebr. 7.12 seeing that in the Church of Christ since the abrogatinge of the Priesthoode of the Lawe there is instituted a ministerie of holy things and officers for the purpose it must needes bee that there is also a certaine order set down for the guiding of them in the execution of their Ministerie Which is the whole Discipline consisting onely in the execution of such dueties as they are to performe which are called to beare any charge in the Church of God as the regiment of euery cōmon wealth standeth in the offices and dueties of the Magistrates those that haue authoritie in it Moreouer the Names of Christ and his Church the peace order edification and perpetuitie of the church doe proue that there is a certain externall forme of administring it For if Christ be a King a High Priest an Housholder and the Church his Kingdome his Temple and his House then must it needes be that he hath giuen though spirituall in regarde of the ende they haue as his kingdome is spirituall yet some certayne externall meanes constitutions and orders for the good gouerning and guyding of the same For this is incident to euery wyse man of authoritie especiallie when he him selfe shall not personallie remayne amongst those that belong vnto him And so our Sauiour noteth his purpose to doe Mat. 25. Luke 19.12 Lu. 12.42.43 in the parable of the Talentes deliuered to diuers seruantes and of the Steward left with charge of the house till his comming The same is to
be said of the church which is the Lords kingdome temple and house this being a matter agreeing to euery societie especiallie hauing a wyse gouernour and the societie being such as may haue nothing done confusedlie disorderly and offensiuelie in it but all with peace order and to edification and whiche is to abide cōtinue for euer But such a societie the Church is For some short time it maybe some small societie may continue in tollerable maner without certaine prescripte lawes to gouerne it yet hardlie can it long so continue without sundrie suche disorders as in the ende must needes ouerthrowe it But a common wealth and a kingdome and that such a one as is spreade ouer all the worlde and to continue to the ende of the same to be like an Inne of Court without written lawes and orders for the gouernement of it for euer can not stande with the wisedome of God with the offices of our Sauiour Christ with the nature of the Church nor with the edificatiō peace order and perpetuitie of the same Further the whole externall forme of th'administration of the Church consisteth in the kindes and charges of offices vpon whose care and direction the church in such matters is to depende in the things which concerne their lawfull vocation to such places due execution of that belongeth vnto them but all these pointes are particularly set downe in the worde of God in the seueral charges of Ministers of the worde of Elders of Deacons and of the ioint care of Eldershippes and Synodes as is to appeare in the proofe of euery seuerall part hereafter therefore it is to be acknowledged that such an externall forme of Discipline and direction of the Church is appointed of God Besides all this the things which cōcerne the kingdome of Christ wherof such an external forme is not the least the Euangelist Luke writeth that full fortie dayes the Disciples were instructed by our Sauiour after his resurrection 1. Cor. 11.23 1. Cor. 14.37 Mat. 28.20 Actes 1.2 1. Tim. 6.14 Matt. 18.15.16.17 Actes 11.30 euen as Moses had bene taught of God in the mountaine concerninge the like For which respect in diuers places of the newe Testament sundrie principall partes of the Discipline and externall order of the Church are saide to haue bin deliuered of the Lorde and are called preceptes and commaundements yea and sometimes commaundements of the Lorde Finallie the same externall order of the Church in offices for doctrine conuersation and for the poore was setled by the Apostle in all churches where he came and in some before he had conferred with any of the other Apostles and had the Gospell only by reuelation of the Sonne of God It is deliuered also by him for a generall doctrine to all Churches in the 12. chapter to the Romanes and the 1. to Tim. with most earnest charge to haue it kept without fault till the glorious comming of Christ It was likewise established by the rest of the Apostles in all places where they came as appeareth by the speciall and expresse mention of Ministers of the worde Elders Deacons for these offices in the due execution whereof the whole Discipline consisteth were established in the Churches of a 15.4.16.4.6.6 Ierusalem of b Act. 13.1.14.23 Antioche of c Phil. 1.1 Licaonia and d Philippi e Act. 20.17 1. Tim. 3. Ephesus f Rom. 12.6 7.8 Rome g 1. Cor. 5.16.1.2 Corinth h Col. 1.7.2.5 Colossi i Thes 1.5.12.10 ch 2.3.14 Thessalonica k 1. Tim. 1.5 Candie and all the Churches of the dispersed straūgers in l 1. Tit. 5.1.2.3 Pontus Galatia Cappadocia Asia and Bythinia and generallie in all the churches of the m He. 13.17 Iac. 1.1.5.14 1 Co. 16.1.2 Hebrewes Whiche consent of the Apostles in ordering the churches which they gathered togither by one vniforme externall order of Administration in Ministers of the Worde Elders and Deacons declareth that they receyued the same from the Lord and by his appointement deliuered it to the Churches Thus at the first the churches were setled n Colos 2 5 Mat. 16.19.18.17.18.19.20 a goodly thing to behold all after one and the same order by the Apostles accordinge to that our Sauiour had taught them concerning this matter the commission they were charged with at his going vp from them into heauen which was to make disciples and to teach them to keepe all things that he had commaunded them In the time next succeding the Apostles the same order in a great part continued as may appeare by many notable testimonies in Jgnatius not onely mentioning and saluting in all his Epistles often times the Ministers of the worde by the name of Bishops Elders and Deacons but also earnestly exhorting to the continuance and respect of them as a most necessarie order appointed for the preseruation of Gods Church Be subiect sayeth he to the Bishop meaning the Pastour as appeareth by the particular respect he is said to haue to that church as to the Lorde for he watcheth for your soules as one that is to giue his account thereof to God c. Be subiect also sayeth he to th'Eldership as the Apostles of Jesus Christ and please the Deacons A litle after he sayth The Bishop resembleth God vnto thē and the Elders the assistance of God and colledge or bande of the Apostles of Christ a comparison in sundrie other places vsed by him without these an elect Church a holy assemblie a Sinagogue of Saints is not c. In the same Epi. He that is within the Church is cleane therefore obeyeth he the Bishop and the Elders but he that is without doeth any thing without Bishoppe without Elders and Deacons such an one is vncleane for what is the Bishop but the follower of Christ what is the Presbiterie or Eldership but a holy assemblie Councellours and assistantes of the Bishops what are the Deacons but followers of the Aungelles c. He therefore that disobeyeth these is surelie an Atheist and vngodlie despising Christ and setting at nought his ordinance In his Epistle to the saintes at Tharsus vsing the same exhortation I loue them saieth he as mine owne soule that obserue this good order and the Lord be with them for euer To the Ephesians he saieth The Presbyterie is to the Bishop as the string is to the Harpe as no doubt their holy concorde is acceptable to God like the song of the golden harpes mentioned in the Reuelation Apoc. 5. Justinus maketh mention of such an order of lethargie vsed by the Christians in their holy ecclesiasticall assemblies as may seeme to haue bin as there was good cause it should the paterne of the best reformed Churches of this age for th' order of publique prayer vsed amongst them Tertullianus testimonie in his excellent Apologie of Christians is worthie to be written with a pen of gold in pretious marble which is that certaine approued Elders were set
enioye the kingdome nor to beare ciuill offices but the causes of God and the causes of the King had their seuerall triall officers and Iudges But this a Bishop or Archbishop euen by his ordination is not onely not bounde vnto but of the contrarie being ordayned to exercise the office of a Bishoppe according to the worde of God and the ordinances of this Realme is to meddle with ciuill iustice For the worde of God not speaking any one worde of such an office and the ordinances of the Realme laying vpon them offices charges in ciuill affaires they intermedle with all causes by reason of their office I might note many other repugnances in-their offices with the lawfull charges of Pastours and Teachers as their immoderate power in dealing with all ecclesiasticall causes of gouernement alone in ordayning Ministers giuing and calling in licences censuring suspending excōmunicating absoluing such like But these reasons may suffice to shew that otherwise then the Replyer mainteyneth Bishoppes and Archbishops such as he speaketh of are not nor can not in any iust and true account be reckoned Pastours Teachers Such in deede they may haue bin and were firste ordayned to be and therefore ought to haue continued in that calling But accepting of th' offices of Bishops and Archbishops wherin there are so many things as haue bin shewed repugnant to the functions of Pastours and Teachers they can not in any sorte be esteemed trew Pastours and Teachers of the church such as our Sauiour appointed for the worke of the Ministerie but are a thing degenerate and growen out of kinde a humane creature and an institution and ordinance of Kings and Princes Thus much may suffice to shewe that Bishops and Archbi hops are not Pastours and Teachers Whereby it is playne to be no consequence whiche the Replier maketh for them in this place that is because there were Pastors and Teachers in the primitiue Church that therefore there were Bishops and Archbishops also in that time Hee addeth they are such as haue bene Deacons too which being admitted it followeth not because they haue bin Deacons and nowe are Bishops or Archbishops that therefore Bishops and Archbishops were in the primitiue Church But I denie that euer they were right and lawfull Deacons For a Deacon is an ecclesiasticall officer attending the poore of the Church whose Deacon he is The trueth of this is most euident by the Deacons of Ierusalem of whose institution we reade in the sixt of the Actes where the Apostles discharging them selues of this care and seruice determined and boūded their office of Apostleship for euer after within the boundes of preachinge and prayers and the Deacons office in that which they discharge them selues of that is in the attendance of the poore Which appeareth also by the 12. to the Romanes where their office is limited in like maner Nowe the Deaconshippe hee speaketh of which they haue had is no such matter but a meere humane institution a degree to priesthoode a power to baptise and reade the publique Litargie without power to minister the Lordes Supper or to preach by vertue of that calling and is nothing like the ordinance of GOD for the reliefe of the poore Therefore euen that also is not trew whiche the Replier saieth that they haue bin Deacons too In deede they haue come by the Deacons bagge and got into their hands that which by th'ordinance of God and the auncient commons of the Church should be distributed by the Deacons to the comfort of the poore Which the Christian Magistrate is in all duetie to God to require at their handes to restore to the former right vse againe as he is other partes of their liuings and namelie that which ought to be the liuing of the Pastors Teachers which attende vpon the seruice of the people in teaching and instructing them in true religion whose liutngs being taken away and cast into those seas would be restored againe that the people giuing their goods to be taught in the knowledge of God not able to giue any more do not perishe for wante of teaching but may receyue the fruite of this their liberalitie But this because I haue not further occasiō in this place I forbeare to debate at large onely by occasion of their Deaconshippe I haue in a word noted their iust dealing as with the poore and the Deacons so also with the Pastors and Teachers with all the people of God Whereby appeareth that howsoeuer they are transformed now are neither Pastours Teachers Elders nor Deacons yet sauing the worke and labour of these callings in preaching vnto the people and watching ouer them with the Lordes watche and seruing the necessities of the poore they haue wholy deuoured them all All the power authoritie and liuing both of Pastours Teachers and Deacons yea and the treasure of the poore also being possessed and enioyed by them Thus haue I answered his two reasons alleadged to proue Bishops and Archbishops to haue bin in the primitiue Church In this place affirming them to be in their office and kinde of ministerie Pastours and Teachers yet saith he sith he is the ordainer or ordinarie of them and ouerseer both of them the people he is in dignitie of another office and kinde of ministerie different from them For answere wherevnto he is to vnderstande that the worde of God giueth not this authoritie to a Bishop to be ouerseer of the people and also of their Pastours and Teachers nor to any one man bearing ecclesiasticall office to be the ordainer or the ordinarie as he speaketh of the Ministers of the worde As touching the firste of ouersight the worde Ouerseer or as we call it Bishop Actes 20. is vsed diuers times in the Scriptures but alwayes in regard of the people Phil. 1.1 and of the Church and at no time of other Ministers of the worde If it be otherwise let him shewe where a Bishop or Ouerseer is named in respect of other Pastours and Teachers True it is that Pastours Teachers may offende through the corruption of nature that is in all men therfore are not exempted and freed by the worde of God neither frō ouersight nor punishment but are liable to all maner of censures of the church as any other of the congregatiō to the ciuil punishments of the lawes But their ouerseers in such cases are the ciuil Magistrat who is to see that they doe their duties or to enforce them to it by ciuill punishments their cause being firste duely heard tried and iudged Further the Eldership of that church whervpon they attende and all the greater Cōferences and Synodes wherevnto by good order agreed in the churhc they are made subiect haue the ouersight of them power to admonish censure with ecclesiasticall censures of deposition from their ministerie or of suspension and excommunication as their offence may deserue So as no man in the Churche nor in the
common wealth is more subiecte to censure excommunication and other punishment then the Pastours and Teachers yea they are more sharply in case they offende to be proceeded against then other men are for the great offence their euill example may giue to the wicked But this ouersight and power to censure them is not committed of God to any one man bearinge ecclesiasticall office For howe light a matter soeuer it be with Bishops Archbishops to suspende many Ministers from their preaching ministerie the worde of God teacheth another maner of proceedinge in a cause that concerneth the staying of the preaching of the gospell which in highest degree importeth the honour of god and saluation of his people It is vntrew also that he saith that the Bishop hath the ouersight of the people if he vnderstande as I doubt not but he doeth such an ouersight as by his owne power he may censure any of them For the keyes whereby is noted that power wherein the censures of the Church are contayned are not giuen to any one man Our Sauiour sayeth not if he that hath offended thee be obstinate hearken not to thee nor to the aduyse of one or two witnesses tell the Bishop of him Matt. 18.17 and whatsoeuer he shal doe I wil ratifie it in heauen but hee saieth tell the Church and if he heare not the Church and so forth plainlie committing this power not to any one but to many To which purpose it is sayd in the same place Where two or three are gathered togither in my name there am I amongst them and in the middest of them saith the Lorde Whereby it is playne Mat. 18.19 that they who haue power to binde or loose are a companie assembled togither by the ordinance of our Sauiour Christ for that purpose by meanes of their calling In like maner to the Corinthes the Apostle saith not of the incestuous tell the Bishop that hee may excommunicate him which no doubt he would if as the Replier sayth he created Bi hops for Cities and Diocesses and Archbishops for Prouinces a fancie without all manner of appearance or colour but you being gathered togither in the name of Christe c. appointing that by such order as our Sauiour Christ had ordained 1. Cor. 5.4 and with all their free consentes he that had committed that abhominable offence should be cast out of the midst of them And if no man haue or can haue lawfully this power ouer the people or the least of the Congregation how should he be ouerseer of the greatest in it which are in regarde of their calling the pastours of the flocke Nowe concerninge the being their ordinarie as he sayeth or ordainer it is a power not agreeing to any man liuing but in like manner belongeth to many Timothy whom the Replyer dreameth to haue bin a Bishop was ordayned to be an Euangelist by the layinge on of the handes of the Eldership that is 2. Tim. 4 5. the assemblie of the Elders yea notwithstanding the Apostle as it seemeth 1. Tim. 4 1â— was present And if the Apostle tooke not this power to him selfe alone what Bishop is he that notwithstanding hee bee bolde ynough to take it can with right and lawfully take such power to belong vnto him And again if the Apostle did not chalenge this to him selfe to ordaine Timothy alone sure he appointed neyther Bishoppe Timothy nor Archbishop Titus as it pleaseth the Replyer I thinke meerily according to his maner to call them to ordayne Ministers of the word by their owne power Which further appeareth in that he willeth Titus to deale with that busines as he had giuen him order before to deale in it Tit. 1.5 2. Tim. 3.10 To Timothy he writeth that hee had thorowly seene and obserued and knowne his maner of dealinge in the Church and his course of life which is commended in him to encourage him still so to followe his course and cariage as that he might in like maner both in the rest of his life and principally in the seruice of the Church gouerne him self as he had seene him to doe before him in like causes Nowe Timothy hauing seene this president and experience in his person of ordayning to the Ministerie of the Gospell not by anie one man no not by the Apostle but by the assemblie of Elders obserued it no doubt and was so taught by the commendation giuen him of the Apostle not to bee th' ordinarie of any as he speaketh or to ordayne anie Ministers of the worde alone though he were I say not a Bishoppe as the Replier imagineth but an Euangelist Which it were nothinge to say is to be greater then a Bishop or Archbishop who are no body in the church by the ordinance of God but creatures of earthly Princes but greater then Teachers Pastors or Prophetes and next to the Apostles the highest degree of ministerie in the Church And if Timothy an Euangelist could not doe it then Titus whom he maketh but an Archbishop whiche at most is yet farre vnder an Euangelist could not doe it And it is playne that he is willed to deale in that seruice according to the instructions and order whiche the Apostle had giuen him for it which can be no other then such as he exercised him selfe And thus much for the ordinarie and ouerseer both of the people and of the Pastours and Teachers with which point his two argumentes to proue Bishops and Archbishops to haue bin in the primitiue Church are answered Nowe followeth his conclusion which is as glorious triumphant as his premisses haue bin weake and slender And shall we nowe sayeth the Replyer dare to say that this office of Bishop and Archbishop did worke a waye to Antichristes pride and so forth with sundrie amplifications of the matter Whereof the first is that it is his iudgement and he sayeth he liketh his iudgement the better because Saint Paul was of the same minde these offices were the best way to haue stayed repressed Antichristes pride if sayeth hee referring to Princes their supreme gouuernement they had accordinge to Gods worde directed their Consistories Synodes and Councells in all matters which are commonly called ecclesiasticall This is his first amplification wherein he giueth the direction of all matters ecclesiasticall to Bishops and Archbishops Hee addeth in deede according to Gods worde placing it doubtfullie that it may be taken either that their offices are according to Gods worde or that they should in them carie them selues according to Gods worde But whether of both it be importeth not for according to Gods worde there is no such office in the Church as I haue shewed alreadie and being no suche office what interest can they haue whyle they continue such either to direct or to haue any place at all in such Synodes and Councells So farre of is it if the matter may bee ordered by Gods worde that they should cary all matters
ecclesiasticall The Princes prerogatiue is notwithstanding heere reserued which dependeth not vppon his reseruation but hath other such certaine title to claime by as the Princes are not to bee beholding to their Prelates for reseruing them their supreme gouernement as of almes for them Another point is that not these offices but the encroching of th'Archbishop of Rome ouer all other Bishops and Archebishops was the breaking of Gods ordinance and the way to Antichristes pride Adoni-bezek as we reade in the first of the booke of Judges cut of the fingers and toes of 24. Kings and put them vnder his table at his feete to geather the crommes that fell from his table and the same iudgement after fell vppon him Euen so some Pastours cast downe all other Pastors officers of the church within a Citie or Dioces vnder them After amongest Bishops some dealt with his companions as they had done with theirs and became Archbishops and subdued all the Bishops in a Prouince Coūtrey or Region vnder them Nowe if amongst Archbishops there rose vp one to recompence them agayne the wrong they had done to their fellowe-Bishops if yet it may be called wrong where at the firste there was no right what great cause haue they to complayne When Bishops and Archbishops cut of as it were the handes and feete of their fellowes and cast them vnder them to geather the crommes that fell from them did not they teache other by their example to doe the like also to them Yea but sayeth he the Archbishop of Roome would be higher then all his fellowes and be Bishop ouer the whole Church to represent Christ This was in deede the highest steppe and euen the footestoole of the seate of Antichrist But howe mounted hee thus hye to come so neare such a seate of pride was not this way made by sundrie steppes before ere he came at the highest and was he not nearer and in greater possibilitie of it being a Bishop with many other then if there had bin none such but all Pastours like the elect Angells had kept their original For as it was not possible for a man to lift vp his foote from the ground to any hye seate farre aboue his reach but must goe to it by staires and degrees from one to another till hee come to the highest So did Sathan in his misterie of iniquitie make these staires for the mounting of Antichrist whereby at the last he setled him as amongst the starres But this he seemeth to note as vnlawfull And no doubt it is so But so were also the other according to their degrees which he would haue to be esteemed lawefull But if the case were such as Christian Princes did all receyue the Gospell and that a generall Councell were helde and to be continued or renewed as occasion should require and Christian Princes by consent should appoint a moderator for direction of the Aecumenicall Councells and name him Pope or giue him some other title noting his employment greater then of anie Bishop or Archbishop who are but by the Replyers owne rule to direct their Synodes and Councells of their Diocesses and Prouinces what exception could the Replier take vnto this why they might not so doe After they had made this first ouverture what can he alleadge why they might not in regarde of vsing him to such purpose free him from the seruice of any particular Congregation that he might wholly attende vppon the generall causes of the Church And because wealth honour and authoritie may giue him the more credit and for that Monarchie is the best kind of gouernement and most easie and readie for all men who best vnderstande in it their busines requiringe to whom to goe and where to seeke their remedie what reason can he bring why it should not bee lawfull for them all to doe herein by cōmon consent in all Christendome that whiche is done in some by any one soueraign Prince in his kingdome Or if without all these circūstances the Princes nowe professing the gospel should agree that the Archbishop of Coleyn one of the Princes Electors or any other should haue vse exercise ouer all the Churches of the Gospel in what kingdome of the christian world soeuer the same supreame power authoritie in all causes ecclesiasticall that euer the Pope had or exercised and should proceede by the same course and order of the Cannon lawe as the Archbishop of Roome doeth with one onely promise of disanulling abolishing all such Cannons as are repugnant to the lawe of God what could the Replier alleadge why eyther the Archbishop of Colleyne or any other Archbishop or Bishop might not by such consent be made a Protestant Pope and an vniuersall Bishop ouer all the Churches of the Gospell as the Archbishop of Rome by like consent of the Kings supporters of the Keyes and armes of Antichrist is esteemed Pope and vniuersall Bishop ouer all Ecclesiastical causes within all their Dominions What reason can he make why Princes should not so consent or what aduyse would he giue if any Bishop or Archbishop of his acquaintance were the man vppon whom they should like to bestowe this honour from Episcopall or Archiepiscopall iurisdiction to aduaunce him to Papall Supremacie What a faithfull Pastour should doe in such a case is not harde to say For it is cleare that they should doe as our Sauior Christ did Luke 12.13 when things not agreeing with his calling were offered and brought vnto him Who refused to parte the inheritance betweene brethren Iohn 6.15 who withdrewe him selfe from the people as farre as he could going vp into an high mountayne when they would haue made him a King Mat. 4.8.9 and with detestation auoyded the speech of offer of all the kingdomes of the world and the glorie of the same Iudg. 8.23 They should aunswere with Gedeon when the kingdome with the alteration of the gouernement which God had set ouer his people was presented vnto him I will not raigne ouer you the Lord your God hee shall raigne ouer you and gouerne you according such order as he hath appointed They were to aunswere with Daniell Your giftes ô Kings keepe to your selues and bestowe your regalities and honours vpon some other Dani. 5.17 but I will declare the scripture the interpretation of it vnto you As the honorable oliue tree the sweete fig-tree and the cheerefull Vine answere in the parable of Iotham that they would not leaue their precious fruit whereby they honoured Iud. 9. delyted and reioyced God and men to goe raigne ouer the trees of the forest So should a faithfull seruant of God and of his people answere I will not leaue the preaching of the Gospell the ministerie of the word the honouring and reioysing of God and man with my precious fruite to take an vnlawfull gouernement vpon me This I say ought to be the aunswere of a faithfull and true seruaunt of God keeping his first institution
as it was ordayned by our Sauiour Christ But what other aduyse the Replier could giue in such a case to his friende but to accept of the offer and the same whiche the Bryar made in Jothams parable whiche had nothing but a shodowe to boast of and Abimelech the vnnoble and base sonne of Gedeon represented by it which was whether is it better for you that three score and ten men rule you or that one man haue the dominion ouer you Come couer your selues with my shadowe and if not let fire come out of the brier Iud. 9.15 consume the very trees of Libanus This must needes be his aduyse in effect except he can alleadge some other sufficient reason of difference why there may not as well be a Protestant Pope as a Catholike Pope or why all the rest of the body of the Hierarchie that is in the Roomish Church being in the reformed Churches the head of it onely should be wanting For if it be lawfull to haue Ministers that by ruling all ecclesiasticall causes in a Diocesse or Prouince and the greatest parte of a noble kingdome as Princes that gouuerne ouer Counties and Duchies and Prelates that resemble the Lordes Earles and Dukes of the Empire in the circuite of their gouernement in their titles state pompes houses furniture trayne and liuing they which allowe of these things will hardlie finde any good reason why there may not bee a chiefe Prelate ouer them who may be the representation of the Emperour Peraduenture he will say for some signification of it he maketh in this place this were vnlawfull because this is a Royaltie that belongeth onely to our Sauiour Christ to be the heade of his Church but I doubt if they sett vp their rest in this cause wholy and onely vppon that reason howe it will serue to keepe the Pope out of his seate especiallie such a protestant Pope as I speake of who should vse or at least in generall termes notwithstanding he obeyed little be prescribed to vse no Cannons contrarie to the lawe of God and who woulde easilie confesse and acknowledge that his headship is not in any such respect as it peculiarlie belongeth to our Sauiour Christe that is by his owne right to gouerne and direct the whole body of the Church at all times and in all ages but onely to direct as his minister and seruaunt the Church of his age and time in such matters ecclesiasticall as by lawfull Cannons are referred from inferiour courtes by appeale or otherwise to him as the chiefe minister It is trewe in deede that the further a man goeth from the first institution the more hee offendeth and so the Pope by the fulnes of the power he chalengeth ouer all is further from the ordinance of our Sauiour Christ who hath appointed in the ordinarie guydance of the Church no office to bee exercised by any one ecclesiasticall person greater then is the office of the Pastours and whom hee hath made all equall in euery respecte of ministerie iurisdiction and of power But otherwise it wil be founde that Bishops Archbishops haue made such a way to the Popedome as it will be hearde when they are come so farre to keepe them backe with any great reason from the other And thus much of his seconde amplification The thirde hath no maner of reasonable coherence with anie thinge that goeth before and is so absurde in sence as sometime I doubted the Replyer coulde not bee so grosselie ouerseene as to haue written it in his originall so as by print it is deliuered vnto vs but thus it is printed For els that is except as he would fayne haue prooued a little before the breach of the office of Bi hops and Archbishoppes were the way to bring in Antichrist and not their office why might they not as well saye that Christes vniuersall Bishopricke or Archbishopricke did worke a way to Antichrists pride and presumption because he pretendeth vsurpeth and abuseth that kinde of ministerie which is due and proper only to Christ Christ is called a stone of offence if Christe then had not bin the stone none had stūbled at him Nay then if there were no Christ there could be no Antichrist if there had bin no Archbishop then the Archbishop of Rome had not bene Pope for so I thinke he would haue saide although his words be otherwise And if there were no vse there were no abuse of any thing Thus farre the Replyer wherein to passe by some speeches that can haue no good sense and the absurditie of this inference and that of all comparisons of thinges in heauen and in earth none could fitte him for this purpose but one taken from our Sauiour Christ I will onely answere the effect of his reason The Declaration intendeth not by saying that the chaunge of Gods ordinance made a way to the pride of Antichrist to say that for this reason the office of Bishops and Archbishops in whom I thinke he rightlie gathereth it was meant the ordinance of God was chaunged as it was in deede made way to Antichrist because if there had neuer bin any Bishoppe or Archbi hop then an Archbishop of Roome had neuer bin Pope This is not the reason whiche the Declaration intendeth but the reason is manifest in this that by such meanes there was made a chaunge of Gods ordinance namely by bringing in such offices into the Church And then in departing so farre from the originall institution of Pastoures as that one came to take vpon him the charge gouernement of thirtie thousande or fourtie thousande Churches or more these chaunges of Gods ordinance which were made in bringing in these offices of Bishops and Archbishoppes into the Church made way to Antichrist to come to his seate For as the lower steppes helpe a man to come from one to another till he come to the highest and the higher euery degree is the nearer it aduaunceth him to the top So euery staire that went from the Lords ordinance made way to other and the hye degrees of Bishop and Archbishop brought the man of sinne very neare his seate wherein he was to sitte downe and boast him selfe against God In euery lawfull trade of lyfe there are sundrie degrees of preferrement whereof euery one maketh way to other so is it in the vnlawfull and Antichristian Papacie The inferiour degrees which Sathan had procured in his misterie of iniquitie did all helpe to aduance that sinfull man to the throne of iniquitie Whereby appeareth that the very offices of Bishops Archbishops made way to that presumption and in what maner Yet doeth the Replyer enforce this proofe so farre as that he would haue these offices to haue bin and yet to be the greatest impedimentes to the Popes rysing in times past and to his present greatnes Whereof hee alleadgeth no other reason but that the Archbishop of Carthage detecting his forgeries kept him short in Affrike the Archbishop of Rauenna kept him long
shal be thy nurses and great peace large reuenewes for maintenance of learning the benefite of Scholes Colledges houses of noble foūdations for students two so famous Vniuersities of long time for men of excellent abilitie in all good knowledge all these helpes now almost 30 yeares togither without intermission or interruption besides the former time of king Edward of noble memorie and yet notwithstanding all these is so vnfurnished of sufficient and able godly learned men as that by farre the greater part of it should be in the hands of an insufficient vnlerned ministerie without any maner of cōpetent abilitie to expoūd the word of god without diuinitie without sciēce without art other then such as they were prentises at in a great part without both pietie religion Doeth the word of God allow that men called to the ministerie may take ciuill callings to deale by offices in causes of state iustice or to forsake the charge of particular cōgregations in seruing them in the greatest highest seruice of preaching the gospell to them to rule ouer the churches ministers of a whole Diocesse Is it good order allowable by Gods word to make a nūber of ministers at once whereof no one is called or desired to any particular Congregation but must seke sue for places after where to bestow them selues Dispensations faculties for non residents pluralitie of benefices a court of faculties for sundrie like purposes can it be iustified to be good order by the worde of God Doeth the worde of God giue power to any one man vnder heauen to make Ministers alone at his pleasure to graunt licence to preache and to call it in agayne at his owne pleasure to suspende to release to excommunicate to absolue and all as seemeth good to him selfe The same worde alloweth not for good order that Sacramentes should be administred priuatelie by anie much les that it be so by priuate men and least of all by women Nor that they be publiquely ministred without preaching of the word It approueth not such cases of necessitie as enforce these things nor the doctrine of conference of grace by them for the worke wrought To make that inequalitie of the Sacramentes that one should haue power to minister Baptisme that should not haue power to administer the Lordes Supper another power to administer both yet not to preache and another to doe all three being the sacred and hye ordinances of God and yet not to confirme children can not be shewed to be the orders or ordinances of God In like maner can it not be shewed by the worde of God that Chauncelours Commissaries and such Officers of Bishops and Archdeacons should deale with the censures of the Church hauing no maner of lawfull ecclesiasticall callinqe vnto it nor that excommunication is to be for pecuniarie causes and payementes of registres fees or such like But what doe I reckon particulars whereas if the Cannon law be the rule for church-gouernement the abuses must needes be infinite If these disorders bee in the reformed Churches notwithstanding their wante of all outwarde meanes and the heauie displeasure of their Princes and the whote and fierie persecutions wherewith they are pursued whiche yet were a time of tolleration and bearing with thinges amisse if there were any their state were to be helde disordered and to neede reformation for feare of the most iust wrath and indignation of God to fall vpon them But if all these and such like matters be well ordered in them and the same farre otherwyse in our Church notwithstandinge all the meanes and helpes to haue procured the good ordering of them much more conuenientlie then with them is the Declaration to be blamed for exhorting to leaue such a disorder and to receyue that order which is according to God Nowe as the glorie and kingdome of Christ is highly aduaunced and increased where this obedience is giuen to him to order his house accordinge to his will whose it is so on the other parte there must needes be so much wanting of the glorie increase thereof where that obedience is not yeelded to him Which would to God it were otherwise and that the enormities of all sortes did not shewe the want of that glorie of Christes kingdome that would bee if his orders were obeyed nor the exceeding great apostasie falling awaye from God to Atheisme Epicurisme and profanenes and namelie the multitudes of recusantes of late yeres so greatlie increased did not shewe how smallie the glorie of the kingdome of Christ doeth increase amongest vs. As for our peace and other blessinges whereof the Replier speaketh it is in deede to be acknowledged to the high honour of Almightie God that neyther at this present is any Nation vnder heauen so blessed in all respectes nor hath this Lande bin so at any time heretofore The Lorde make vs thankfull for all his ritche mercies bestowed vpon vs and continew with great increases all the prosperitie and happie estate of our Lande people But that he sayeth we are so blessed aboue all other churches euen in this estate of ecclesiasticall gouuernement established soundeth as if he would haue one ecclesiasticall estate to be taken to be the cause of all these blessings Some attribute the cause hereof to the troubles of our neighbours and some to the gratious gouernement of hir excellent Maiestie and the great wisedome of the right Honourable of hir Counsell Diuines as it best agreeth with their profession yet with due honour of all the noble instrumentes of this grace as euerie one hath deserued to the prouident and watchfull care of Almightie God ouer vs in giuing all the good meanes of this our estate which we enioye and many times by extraordinarie fauours discouering the secrete practises of our enimies and working in deede as the Replyer sayeth wonderfully and graciouslie for vs. But no man yet that euer I heard of before this attributed this honour to Archdeacons and Archbishops to Chauncelours and Bishops to Commissaries and Officialls or the rest of that trayne This is a garlande would not become those heades in anie sorte let them weare it to their great honour that haue deserued it Is it for that that they are the Officers which God hath set in his Churche and therefore doeth powre his blessing vppon his owne ordinance It hath bin alreadie shewed what agrement they haue with the worde and from what originall they proceeded If it be sayde notwithstanding they be of mans creation and appointement yet they may bee employed in such affaires as might procure this blessing to the state let it bee considered wherein they haue bin occupied since her Maiesties raigne it will easilie appeare howe farre it is of that they should haue any parte of this honour If there were a commission graunted to examine what hath bin done by these officers and their Courtes for these nine and twentie yeares what good they haue
an vnconsecrate palle that can sanctifie a man but that protestant Archbishops may bee by their own faulte through the iudgement of God as wel heires to these disgraces as to the graces they succeede them in Hauing made a doubt that ambition should haue bin the reason of the order of the Declaratiō he increaseth it by this that the Ministers which seeke a further reformatiō of our church can not abyde these names of grace of honor of lords Whiche were a iust reprofe if they did either in deed or word take that vppon them which they dislike in other but the order of the declaration in speaking first of ecclesiasticall officers then of the ciuill Magistrate is farre from any colour of that suspitiō As for not abyding as he speaketh of these names no man is so ignorant but knoweth these termes to be lawful greater then these too if they be lawfully vsed as when they are giuen to those of the ciuill state according to their degree But for ecclesiastical persons which are not greater then Apostles as none are our Sauiour Christ hath expreslie forbidden that it should be so with them saying That Princes are called gracious lords but it shall not be so with you Luk. 22.25 but he that wil be greatest amongst you let him be your seruant Whereby he teacheth that the greatnes of a Minister standeth not in the vsurpinge of Princelie titles but in his greatest laboures and seruices of God and of his people Which thing the Apostle Paul well vnderstoode when as arguing this greatnes hee sayeth In labours more aboundant in perill often and so forth 2 Cor. 11.23 26. Therefore by the rule of our Sauiour Christ the ministerie most to be esteemed is that which preacheth most diligently which laboureth most in the work of the gospell whiche howsoeuer men haue deuysed to call it the inferiour ministerie the idle ambitious prelacy the superiour yet by the rule of our Sauiour the honorable Ministerie is that whiche is painfull in preaching th' other which embraceth this present worlde and abandoneth the preaching of the worde is an inferiour base degenerate ministerie as litle regarded with our Sauior Christ as it is highlie esteemed with men euen as it is saide That which is high and glorious before men Luke 16.15 is abhominable vnto God The rest of this section concerning that Kings Queenes and Emperours must backare and come after the ministerie is a matter that hath bin founde in some of the graces of the Hierarchy examples Thomas Becket the proude Archbishop of Canturburie and in his holines most vnworthilie so called next aboue them but neuer any shadowe of it in any faythfull Minister and Preacher of Gods worde Nowe followeth to aunswere his replie to the reason of the Declaration why to treate first of the Magistrates power in a treatise of ecclesiasticall gouernement is neyther needfull nor agreeable to good order Which reason is because the church hath stoode in the primitiue age of it without them It doeth so at this day in some places and may doe so hereafter wherevppon it is concluded that the regiment of it dependeth not vpon Princes authoritie but vpon the ordinance of God and consequentlie that in such a treatise it should not be needfull to treate first of them The Replyers first quarell at this is that the reason is not playne because it is not in forme For aunswere wherevnto he is to vnderstande that hee shall seldome find in any good Writer a Sillogisme or reason in his full parts and forme layde out according to the exact rules of logike The cause whereof is that the writer supposeth his Reader of so much vnderstanding that if any one part be wantinge hee may easilie be able to supplie it out of the rest When children are first taught to reade they are holpen with a fescue which is after taken from them when they are growen more perfect So in Logike for the helpe of childrē rude and ignorant euerie part is layde out at full and in his order when they are growen to vnderstanding it is presumed they are able if any part be misplaced as it is in the best writers more oft then otherwise or wanting by themselues to discerne it and put it in such order as it ought to be in But because he would haue it so thus is the reason in his perfect forme Jt is neyther needfull nor agreeable to good order to treate first in a treatise of the gouernemēt of the Church of that power without helpe whereof the Church hath bin gouerned in times past is gouerned at this present in diuers places and many bee so hereafter But the power of soueraigne Princes is such Therefore it is neyther needfull nor agreeable to good order in a treatise of Church-gouernement first to treate of their power in the Church Another quarrell is that the question is not betweene the Church and Princes whether were first but betweene ecclesiasticall officers which he in his play-stile calleth Tetrarkes Princes and so not betweene the whole a part but betwene one part and another And then sayeth he if in an anatomie a man would first treate of the head and after of other partes or in description of a house speake firste of the roofe or that which was buylded last he might orderly doe so Wherein it appeareth a man had neede firste to haue reade and expounded the Declaration to him if his sense be no readier to conceyue that which is written and so plainlie layde before him For the reason of the Declaration being such as hath bin shewed what an impertinent sense hath he deuised making the reason so as that for the first sentence of it he supposeth this That which is in the regiment of it was perfect before other is to be treated on before In deede of such a proposition no other conclusion could be inferred but such as hee maketh that is that the Church is to be treated on before he speake of the power of Princes which were nothing to prooue that which the Declaration intended Yet as if hee had gathered this skilfully and like a good Logician which it is like he eyther neuer thorowly learned or hath forgotten many yeares agone He standeth a long time vppon examining the trueth of it In which rouing although he be a myle from his marke yet I see I must eyther followe him or giue him ouer First hee sayeth that vnder the name of the Church it is set downe in this propositiō that the fowre ecclesiasticall offices of Pastors Teachers Elders and Deacons were before the Church this is the first poynt he sayeth is included in this sentence The next poynt he toucheth is the multiplicitie and manifold significations of prioritie which is time nature order or honour and cause as he addeth after vppon better remembrance Hauing made him selfe this way he beginneth to examine which of these wayes th'ecclesiasticall officers of
certayne marke The Magistrate is supposed to be wronged vppon no iust reason and of a wrong supposall ryseth a number of impertinent and idle questions mingled with many vnsauorie iestes which are not according to his rule that sayd Reprooue with all authoritie Tit. 2.15 and with a reuerend grauitie If there had bin any such thing in the Declaration it would haue bin soundlie with sufficient arguments disproued by the word of God and those argumentes would haue bin layde forth in a graue reuerende maner seemely to the callinge of the persons who counterpleade one another and agreeable to the action in hande which concerneth serious waightie poynts of duetie to God and the chiefest Magistrates he hath set ouer men and especiallie as might bee seemelie before the Lorde him selfe and all his Church before whom these matters are debated without regarde of all which due considerations as he hath trifled vpon the wordes of this sentence so doeth hee likewise vpon the wordes of the next following Wherein because it were a tedious idlenes to followe him from poynt to poynt I will brieflie aunswere the effect of all this part of his treatise which he hath caused to be set vp on the toppe of the pages in a diuers lettre that it might be in the eye of the Reader in these wordes The Princes supreme authoritie slaundered Mine aunswere wherevnto is this that the wordes of the Declaration are so cleare and playne as no man of sound witt or perfect sense can gather that it attributeth to hir Maiestie any thing eyther disagreeing from hir high Honour and dignitie or vnseemelie for a most loyall and duetifull subiect to vtter For it is sayde onely in the Declaration that ignoraunt persons who thinke all things in the ecclesiasticall state ought to be disposed by the absolute power of the ciuill Magistrate may suppose that a treatise of ecclesiasticall gouernement should begin with the power of the Soueraigne In whiche wordes malice it selfe can not with any colour finde howe this should attribute any thing inconuenient to hir excellent Maiestie of whose Royall person state power and dignitie the Declaration in all places and vpon all occasions speaketh so duetifullie reuerentlie that except by the witnesses whiche sayde We hearde this man saye Mark 14.58 I can pull downe the temple of God and rayse it vp agayne in three dayes or as honest men as they the Declaration could neuer be charged vppon these wordes to speake any thing of hir Maiesties power that is not godlie or not seemelie Th'obiection whiche is made in the Declaration that the Treatise should begin to treate firste of the power of the ciuill Magistrate is set out by noting those to whome this maye so appeare namelie ignoraunt menne that thinke all ecclesiasticall matters should depend vpon the absolute power of the Prince Which poynt is enlarged by opposing to them other which are more moderate in that behalfe and referre onely indifferent matters to the Prince whō yet it reckoneth not indifferent persons in this behalfe because they would haue that without anie further inquirie to be helde indifferent that the Magistrate or them selues shall account so to be Nowe the Replyer passeth on to the other whom the Declaration esteemeth more reasonable then the former in that they giue onely indifferent thinges to the Soueraigne Magistrate if they did rightly iudge what were indifferent This sentence is as sore racked by the Replyer as euer was anie innocent Christian man by the Fathers of the holy house of Inquisition or such as were by them appointed for their torturing No part that hath not felt the waight of his plummets no ioynt that he hath not vexed and strayned The ende and scope of this whole sentence he would haue to be to giue colome to the wrong done to the highest Magistrate for not treating first of his soueraigne power Wherein it appeareth that neither there was nor in reason could be ment any wrōg to the high power of Soueraignes For in all places where occasion serueth no writing can be more reuerend in speaking of that soueraingtie appointed of God then the Declaration is And the order to be vsed by any authour is not to begin to treate first of that which is the chiefest and hyghest poynt of his treatise but to begin with that which is most single in his nature and most common to all that followeth that so hee may by his degrees and due proceeding come at length to that which is more principall As in Grammer a sentence is more worthy then a syllable or a letter and in Logike a Syllogisme then a sentence or single argument yet the Grammarian beginneth not with his Syntaxis but first with the partes of a worde which are his letters and syllables and so proceedeth to the generall kindes and after to the more speciall and particular till at last he haue declared all thinges agreeing to seuerall and single wordes and then considereth of wordes ioyned and framed togither in a sentence So the Logician beginneth with his argumentes seuerallie and by them selues considered then after of sentences wherein such arguments are first ioyned togither then of Syllogismes wherein sentences last of all of the methode of whole Treatises wherein all these sundry things are examined Which order as nature and skill teache to be the onely way for a man to teach any thing in best order and to most vse of his Readers or hearers And before this time was there neuer I thinke such an exception taken against it by any man professing learninge as the Replier doeth take to charge this methode with some degree of lesae Maiestie and of treason Aristarchus they say when he founde a faulte in Homer would marke it with his penne and Phalaris the tyrant for as litle faultes would put men to great tortures If there had bin in deede a faulte in the Methode I perceyue the Replyer would not be content as Aristarchus to make a note of it with his pen but would bring a question of Methode to the barre at the Kings bench and arrayne it of high treason and doe as cruell execution for such an offence as Phalaris was wont to doe for as little But if he be neuer so earnestly affected to pursue a fault in Logike with fire and sworde yet it were great reason he firste vnderstoode what good order and methode were before hee condemned a man of treason for the order of his treatise but of this I shal be forced by his tantologyes and vaine repetitions to speake agayn After the deprauing of the generall ende scope of this sentence he proceedeth to the particular vexing of sundrie partes and wordes of it which that it may bee better vnderstoode is here set downe as it is in the Declaration Others there bee with more colour of reason that referre onely indifferent matters to the disposition of Princes but in determining indifferent matters they shewe them selues not to