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A61696 An assertion for true and Christian church-policie wherein certain politike objections made against the planting of pastours and elders in every congregation are sufficiently answered : and wherein also sundry projects are set down ... Stoughton, William, 1632-1701. 1642 (1642) Wing S5760; ESTC R34624 184,166 198

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immediately from your highnesse by and under your Highnesse letters patents And whereas also by a statute made in the first yeare of King Edward the sixth entituled an Act what seales and stile Bishops or other spirituall persons shall use it was ordained that all and singular Archbishops and Bishops and others exercising Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction should in their processe use the Kings name and stile and not their owne and also that their Seales should be graved with the Kings arms And forasmuch also as it must be highly derogatorie to the imperiall Crowne of this your Highnesse Realme that any cause whatsoever Ecclesiasticall or temporall within these your Highnesse Dominions should bee heard or adjudged without warrant or commission from your Highnesse your heires and successors or not in the name stile and dignity of your Highnesse your heires and successors or that any seals should be annexed to any promise but onely your Kingly seale and armes May it therefore please the King at the humble supplication of his Commons to have it enacted That the foresaid branch of the foresaid Act made in the first yeare of Queene Elizabeth her raigne and every part thereof may still remaine and for ever bee in force And to theend the true intent and meaning of the said statute made in the first year of K. Edw. the sixth may be declared and revived that likewise by the authoritie aforesaid it may be ordained and enacted that all and singular Ecclesiasticall Courts and Consistories belonging to any Archbishops Bishops Suffraganes College Deane and Chapter Prebendarie or to any Ecclesiasticall person or persons whatsoever and which have heretofore beene commonly called reputed taken or knowne to be Courts or Consistories for causes of instance or wherein any suite complaint or action betweene partie and partie for any matter or cause wherein judgement of law civill or Canon hath beene or is required shall and may for ever hereafter be reputed taken and adjudged to be Courts and judgement seates meerely Civill secular and temporall and not henceforth Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall and as of right belonging and appertaining to the Royall Crowne and dignitie of our Soveraigne Lord King James that now is his heires and successors for ever And that all causes of instance and controversies betweene partie and partie at this day determinable in any of the said Courts heretofore taken and reputed Ecclesiasticall shall for ever hereafter bee taken reputed and adjudged to be causes meerly Civill secular and temporall as in truth they ought to bee and of right are belonging and appertaining to the jurisdiction of the Imperiall crown of this Realme And further that your Highnesse Leige people may bee the better kept in awe by some authorized to bee your Highnesse Officers and Ministers to execute justice in your Highnes name and under your Highnesse stile and title of King of England Scotland France and Ireland defender of the Faith c. in the said Courts and Consistories and in the said causes and controversies Be it therefore enacted by the authorities aforesaid That all the right title and interest of in and to the said Courts and Consistories and in and to the causes and controversies aforesaid by any power jurisdiction or authoritie heretofore reputed Ecclesiasticall but by this Act adjudged civill secular and temporall shall for ever hereafter actually and really be invested and appropried in and to the Royall person of our Soveraigne Lord the King that now is his heires and successors Kings and Queenes of this Realme And that it shall and may be lawfull to and for our said Soveraigne Lord and King his heires and successors in all and every Shire and Shires Diocesse and Diocesses within his Highnesse Dominions and Countries by his and their letters patents under the great Seale of England from time to time and at all times to nominate and appoint one or moe able and sufficient Doctor or Doctors learned in the Civill Law to bee his and their civill secular and temporall Officer and Officers Minister and Ministers of justice in the same civill secular and temporall Courts and Consistories which in and over his and their royall name stile and dignitie shall as Judge and Judges doe performe and execute all and every such act and acts thing and things whatsoever in and about the execution of justice and equitie in those Courts according to the course and order of the civill Law or the Ecclesiasticall canons and constitutions of the Realme as heretofore hath beene used and accustomed to bee done by for or in the name of any Archbishops Bishops Colledge Cathedrall Church Deane Archdeacon Prebendary or any other Ecclesiasticall person or persons whatsoever And that all and every such civill secular and temporall Officer and Officers Minister and Ministers Judge and Judges in his and their processe shall use one manner of Seal only and none other having graved decently therin your Kingly armes with certaine characters for the knowledge of the Diocesse or Shire And further be it enacted c. That it shall and may be lawfull by the authoritie aforesaid for our said Soveraigne Lord the King his heires and successors from time to time and at all times to nominate and appoint by his and their Highnesse Letters Patents under the great Seale of England for every Shire and Shires Diocesse and Diocesses within his or their highnesse Dominions one or more able and sufficient persons learned in the Civill Law to be his and their Notarie and Notaries Register and Registers by him and themselves or by his or their lawfull Deputie or Deputies to doe performe and execute all and every such act and acts thing and things as heretofore ●● the Courts and Consistories Ecclesiasticall aforesaid hath beene and ●ow are incident and appertaining to the office of any Register or Notarie And further at the humble suit of the Commons c. it may please the King to have it enacted that all and singular matters of Wills and Testaments with all and every their appendices that all and singular matters of Spousals and Marriages with their accessories that all and singular matters of defamation heretofore determinable in the Ecclesiasticall Courts and if there bee any other causes of the like meere civill nature shall bee heard examined and determined by the said civill and secular Officers and Iudges in the said civill and secular Courts according to the due course of the civill Law or statutes of the Realme in that behalfe provided And that all matters of Tythes Dilapidations repayre of Churches and if there bee any other of like nature with their accessories and appendices shall be heard examined and determined by the said civill and secular Officers and Judges in the said Civill and Secular Courts according to the Kings Ecclesiasticall Lawes Statutes and customes of the Realme in that behalfe heretofore used or hereafter by the King and Parliament to be established And at the humble suite of the Commons may it please the King to
of the Common Law before the Kings Judges and Justices of the Kings bench and Common pleas By a Statute of 32. H. 8. c 7. it is cleare that all tyths oblations c. and other Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall profits by the lawes and statutes of the Realme may be made temporall as being admitted to be abide and goe to and in temporall hands lay-uses and profits From the reason of which statute it is cleare that those lawes likewise may be reckoned amongst us for temporall lawes which by the lawes and statutes of the Realme may be executed by temporall and lay persons and which are conversant about temporal and lay causes If then the execution of the Lawes touching these matters may lawfully remaine and abide in the hands of Doctors of the Civill Law being temporall and lay persons as alreadie under the Bishops they doe it cannot be denied but that the Kings Judges and Justices of both benches may bee as competible Judges to put in execution the lawes concerning these matters as Doctors of the Civill Law or other lay men be But the causes are not reputed and called temporall and lay causes amongst us What for that if in their owne nature simply considered these causes be merely lay and temporall causes such causes I meane as whereof the King a lay civill and temporall Magistrate by his lay civill and temporall Magistracie derived unto him immediately from the holy law of God may and ought to take cognizance and thereupon either in his owne Royall person or by the person of any of his inferiour Officers may give absolute and peremptorie judgement If I say these things be so what booteth it or what wisedome is it to contend that these causes and matters have been and are still adjudged to be therefore Ecclesiasticall and no temporall causes because through an abusive speech or through a vaine and evill custome they have beene so led and accompted in times past And what if it hath pleased the Kings Progenitors by sufferance to tolerate the executions of such Lawes as concerne these things to bee in the hands and power of Ecclesiasticall persons yet hereupon it followeth not that in very deede and truth the Magistracie of the said Ecclesiasticall persons was an Ecclesiasticall Magistracie or that they were Ecclesiasticall Magistrates but their Magistracie was and remained still a temporall magistracie and they were and abode temporall Magistrates For not more can the qualitie of the person alter the nature of the cause than can the qualitie of the cause alter the nature of the person And if it be true that matters determinable in times past by a Magistracie abusively called Ecclesiasticall be notwithstanding properly temporall matters and that the same Magistracie also be a temporall and no spirituall Magistracie what a childish and poore conceit is it to challenge and threp upon the temporall Magistrate that he hath none or very few temporall lawes touching those matters and that therefore the people should not solicit an alteration of abuses in Church government left for want of temporall lawes the people should bee without Ecclesiasticall discipline It will be no small matter saith he to apply these things to the temporall law yea and so say I to But what of that The question is not how hardly these things may be applyed to the temporall law but how small a matter it were to apply the temporall law unto these things For it is not said in any law that casus ex juribus but it is said in all lawes that ex casibus jura nascuntur The temporall law may easily be applyed to causes now reputed Ecclesiasticall And indeed the Phisition applyeth not the disease to his Phisick but he prepareth his phificke for the disease The husband-man he measureth not his ground by the seed but his seed by the ground The Draper he meateth not his yard by the cloth but his cloth by the yard If in like manner the temporall lawes and the grounds and rules thereof were applyed to these matters of tythes marriages c. whereof he speaketh what more alteration could there bee of the temporall law by such an application then there is an alteration of the plummet by laying it to the stone or than there is an alteration of the rule or yard by laying them to the timber and cloth Besides he that rightly and after an exact and equall proportion can apply one rule or maxime of the temporall law to many more cases than whereupon it hath beene usually in former times applyed hee may rather bee reputed an additioner than an alterer of the Law But how may the temporall Law be applyed to those matters how even so and so as followeth By the statute of 32. H. 8. c. 7. it is declared that tythes oblations how tythes may bee recovered in the Kings temporall Courts c. and other Ecclesiasticall or spirituall profits c. being lay mens hands to lay uses be no more Ecclesiasticall but temporall goods and profits and that if any person were diseased deforced wronged or otherwise kept or put from his lawfull inheritance estate seisin c. of in or to the same by any person claiming or pretending to have interest or title in or to the same that then in all and every such case the person so disseised deforced or wrongfully kept from his right or possession shall and may have his remedie in the Kings tempo●al Courts as the case shall require for the recoverie of such inheritance by writ originall c. to be devised and granted out of the Kings Court of Chancery in like maner c. It is there likewise provided that that Act shall not extend nor be expounded to give any remedie cause of action or suite in the Courts temporall against any person which shall refuse to set out his tythes or which shall detaine c. his tythes and offerings But that in all such cases the partie c. having cause to demand or have the same tythes shall have his action for the same in the Ecclesiasticall Courts according to the ordinance in the first part of that act mentioned and none otherwise Now then sithence every person whether he be lay or Ecclesiasticall having right to demand tythes and offerings hath the partie from whom those tythes be due bound and obliged unto him and sithence also the partie not dividing yeelding or paying his tythes doth actually and really detaine the same and thereby doth unjustly wrong the partie to whom they be due contrary to justice and the Kings lawes sithence I say these things be so what alteration or disadvantage could befall or ensue to the Common Law or the Professors thereof if so be it might please the King with his Parliament to have the last part of this Act so to be explained extended and enlarged as that the same might give remedy in the Kings temporall Courts by writ originall to be devised and granted out of the Chancerie against
108 How a Minister ought to be called to a place of his examination and approbation by Ministers and the Parish and of his ordination and actuall calling to a place 108 This way laid down before is no such innovation as is pretended it being agreeable to the ancient Lawes of the Land 100 The spirit of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets how to be 112 What is to be done if suit fall out betwixt two Patrons 113 Patrons not so strictly curbed is pretended 114 Prophets to be taken from the Schooles of the Prophets upon difference in judgment of the abilities of men what then to be done 114 Concerning refusall upon non abilitie 116 The benefits insuing the platforme of ordination and required 117 118 What perfection is required in a Minister 120 Prelacy and a learned Ministery cannot stand together 120 That objection answered that the reward of learning being taken away learning it selfe must needs fall to the ground 121 Prelacy the bane of learned Ministers 122 That argument answered concerning the drawing of Schollers out of the Vniversities before they are fit 123 124 The argument concerning excommunication answered by whom excommunication ought to be performed 125 126 127 what it is 128 The inconvenience of the Bishops excommunication 129 It hath many deformities 130 By the Bishops excommunication one may be a communite 130 Excommunication toucheth them only who professe themselves members of the Church 133 The different manner of discipline exercised by Ecclesiasticall Commissioners severall instances in diverse persons set down 134 135 136 The Articles objected by her Majesties High Commissioners for causes Ecclesiasticall against G. B. of B. and F. B. of B. in the County of L. with observations on the Bishops proceedings 1637. 138 139 140 141. with a Copy of the Arch-bishops Letter and answer from the Bishop to that Letter The Argument concerning the bringing in of Aristocracy into the Church answered 143 Prelacy either oligarchie or tyrannīe 144 It is to be feared lest by the examples of the Prelates Oligarchie be brought into the Common-Wealth and therefore a caution is put in against it 145 The government of the Church by Prelates is not Monarchicall 145 If it be so then the government by Pastors may be so too 145 No cause for the Monarch to feare Aristocracy in Church government 147 Pastors disclaime to meddle in civill matters 147 The people of England are rather possessed with the sense of Democracy and Aristocracy 148 The manner of Policy by Pastors and Elders in the Church is agreeable to the government in the Common-wealth but the government by Prelacy is disagreeable 149 The answer of an Italian Bishop being asked vis ne Episcopari And the answer of an English Bishop having obtained his Congedelier 149 150 The manner of administration of justice spirituall in the Church by Prelacy 150 The administration of Iustice spirituall by Pastors and Elders agreeable to the execution of civill justice in the Common-weale 151 No matters of justice civil administred by one alone in the Common-wealth 150 152. Severall ordinances set downe in severall Courts how they proceed 152 153 154. The Government of the Church ought not to bee by one alone 155 156. Severall ordinances thereof in the same pages No exception to bee taken against Lay Elders to be authorized by the King in every Parish since the King authorizeth Lay Elders in Ecclesiasticall commission 157 Discipline of excommunication exercised by one Lay Elder and one Ecclesiasticall Elder an instance of this discipline set downe 157 158 The King hath as good right to command excommunication to be exercised by a Pastor and Elders as the Bishops have to commit the same to a Curate and one Lay Elder 159 Lay men appointed by the Queenes injunctions to execute some part of discipline 160 Every Minister ought to minister the discipline of Christ in his owne cure by consent of Parliament 161 The Minister by promise bindeth himselfe to minister the discipline of Christ 162 The not disposing in particularity all rites and ceremonies of discipline doth not hinder the exercise of discipline by the Minister 163 To what persons the discipline of Christ by Scripture is committed and whether the persons be arbitrable or no 164 165 A Bishop Pastor and Elder and our L. Bishop differ 165. and what a L. Bishop is No Lord Bishop called L. Pastor Pastorall authority of a L. Bishop and of other Pastours is equall 166 Whether a L. Bishop minister the doctrine Sacraments and Discipline of Christ by vertue of his Lordly Episcopall or Pastorall office 166 Lordly Episcopality authorized only by the Realme 167 If the L. Bishop have power to minister Discipline by divine right then no more can hee commit that his power to an other than hee can commit the power which he hath of preaching to another 168 Whether L. Bishops by Pastorall Authority may excommunicate a Pastour 169. Pastors over small Flocks are as truly Pastors as Pastors over great Flocks 169. As great parity between Pastors and Pastors as between Apostles and Apostles 169 Not onely Kings of great kingdomes but also Kings of small kingdomes bee true Kings 170. Rurall Deanes in Cheshire c. use some part of Episcopall power 171 Episcopall power to excommunicate granted by papall priviledges or prescribed Vse 171. Power to excommunicate if it be of divine right may not bee prescribed 171. No more preheminence given to a Bishop than to a Minister or to a Lay-man in some places for the use of Excommunication 172 AN ASSERTION FOR True and Christian Church-Policie Wherein certaine politike Objections made against the planting of Pastors and Elders in every Congregation are sufficiently answered And wherein also sundry projects are set downe how the Discipline by Pastours and Elders may be planted without any derogation to the KINGS Royall Prerogative c. ADMONITION THE reason that moveth us not to like of this Pag. 79. platform of Government is that when we on the one part consider the things that are required to be redressed and on the other the state of our Countrey People and Common weale we see evidently that to plant those things in this Church will draw with it so many and so great alterations of the state of Government and of the Lawes as the attempting thereof might bring rather the overthrow of the Gospell among us than the end that is desired ASSERTION THe benefit of all exceptions and advantages to the invaliditie uncertaintie imperfections and insufficiency of this admonitory bill and matters therein contained alwayes saved for answere to so much as concerneth this clause and every other clause and article of the bill hereafter following and without that that there is any matter or thing in the same bill of admonition materiall to be answered unto and not herein or hereby sufficiently answered confessed and avoided traversed and deemed is true in such manner and forme as in the same is set forth and declared
regall Crown nay because the contradictorie hereof is affirmed and this denyed and because we learn by law as he saith that matters in fact are not intended to be done till they be proved so we must still put the upholders and executioners of this law to their proofe and in the meane while tell them that the forraigne and Papall Law is but a pretended necessary and disused law that it is not inspired with the life of Law and that it is fathered by them to be such a Law as is an headlesse a fetherlesse and a nocklesse arrow which is not fit to be drawne or shot against any subject of the King And from this voidance abolition and nullitie of forraigne and papall Canon Law because sublato principali tolluntur accessoria it followeth that all offices and functions of papall Archbishops papall Bishops papall Suffraganes papall Archdeacons papall Deanes and Chapters papall Priests papall Deacons papall Subdeacons papall Chancellors papall Vicars generall papall Commissaries and papall Officials meerely depending upon the authoritie and drawne from the rules and grounds of that Law are likewise adnihilated and of no value Howbeit for so much as by the opinion of some learned Civilians By the opinion of the Civilians the papall Canon law seemeth to be in force there seemeth unto them a necessary continuance of the same forraigne and papall Law by reason that Archbishops and Bishops doe now lawfully as they say use ordinarie Archiepiscopall and Episcopall jurisdiction which they could not as they thinke doe if the same common law were utterly abolished and for so much also as some learned in the Canon lawes do maintaine that since the statute Apology of certain proceedings in Courts Ecclesiastical of 1 Eliz. c. 1. the Archbishop and Bishop cannot lawfully claim any ordinarie spirituall jurisdiction at all but that the spirituall jurisdiction to be exercised by them ought to bee delegated unto them from the King by a Commission under the great Seale Forasmuch I say as there are these differences of opinions it seemeth expedient to be considered by what law and by what authoritie Archbishops and Bishops exercise Archiepiscopall and Episcopall power in the Church And to the end this question may fully bee knowne and no scruple nor ambiguitie be left what power spirituall may be intended Power properly and improperly called spirituall Queens Injunct and execut of justice to be exercised by them We distinguish spirituall power into a power properly called spirituall and into a power improperly or abusively called spirituall Ther power properly called spirituall is that spirituall power which consisteth and is conversant in preaching the Word administring the Sacraments ordaining and deposing Ministers excommunicating or absolving and if there bee any other spirituall power of the like property and nature Now that this power properly called Power properly called spirituall was never in the Queenes person spirituall could have beene drawne from the person of our late Soveraigne Lady the Queene unto Archbishops and Bishops we deny For the Queenes Royall person being never capable of any part of this spirituall power how could the same bee derived from her person unto them Nemo potest plus juris in alium transferre quam ipse habet Archiepiscopall and Episcopall power therefore exercised in and about these mysteries of our holy Religion ordinarily and necessarily must belong unto the Archbishop and Bishop by the canon of the holy Scriptures otherwise they have no power properly called Power improperly called spirituall is indeed but a temporall power spirituall touching these things at all The power which improperly is called spirituall is such a power as respecteth not the exercise of any pastorall or ministeriall Church to the internall begetting of faith or reforming of manners in the soule of man but is such a power as wherby publike peace equitie and justice is preserved and maintained in externall things peculiarly appropried and appertaining unto the persons or affaires of the Church which power indeed is properly a temporall or civill power and is to bee exercised onely by the authoritie of Temporall and Civill Magistrates Now then to returne to the state of the point in Question touching this later power improperly called spirituall by what law or by what authoritie the Archbishops and Bishops doe exercise this kinde of power in the Church I answer that they cannot have the same from any forraigne Canon Law because the same Law with all the powers and dependences thereof is adnulled And therefore that this their power must and ought to be derived unto them from Bb. where From whence then is their power derived Hereunto we answer that before the making of that act spirituall jurisdiction did appertaine unto Bishops and that Bishops were ordinaries aswell by custome of the Realme canons constitutions and ordinances provincial and synodall as by forraigne canon law And that therefore these canons constitutions and ordinances provinciall or synodall according to Bishops remaine ordinaries by custome provinciall Canons statute law though papall Canon law be abolished 25. h. 8. c 20. 25. h 8. c ●6 the true intent of that act could not still have been used and executed as they were before if the Bishops had not still remained ordinaries Moreover it is cleare by two statutes that the Archbishops and Bishops ought to be obeyed in all manner of things according to the name title degree and dignitie that they shall be chosen or presented unto and that they may doe and execute minister use and exercise all and every thing and things touching or pertaining to the office or order of an Archbishop or Bishop with all ensignes tokens and ceremonies thereunto lawfully belonging as any Archbishop or Bishop might at any time heretofore do without offending of the prerogative royall of the Crown and the laws and customes of this Realm Let it be then that by custome canons provinciall and statute law Bishops be and do remaine ordinaries yet aswell upon those words of the statute 25. H 8. without offending of the prerogative Royall as upon the statute of 1. Eliz. cap. 1 there remaineth a scruple and ambiguitie whether it be not hurtfull or derogatorie unto the Kings Prerogative Royall that Ordinaries should use and exercise their ordinarie power improperly called spirituall without a commission under the great Seale or that such their power should be as immoderate and excessive now as in times past it was by the Papall Canon law Concerning the first by the Statute of 1 Eliz. c. 1. and by the Statute of 8 Eliz. c. 1. the Queene was recognized to be in effect the Ordinarie of Ordinaries The Queen was supreme ordinary of ordination that is the chief supreme and soveraign Ordinary over all persons in all causes aswell Ecclesiasticall as Temporall Where it seemeth to follow that all the branches and streams aswell of that power which improperly is called spiritual as of that power which properly is called
they undertake and whose glory they advance to bee a friend unto their friends and an enemie unto their enemies And if our Nobles and our Commons bee all hushed if they bee all at sleep at peace and at rest wee may cast away all feare and bee past all doubt that the King can not but holily recreate and solace himsel●e and that his gray haires whensoever they shall come shall never bee brought to the grave in sorrow but in a good and perfect age and peace But happily it may be replyed that some of our Nobles and most of our `` Commons be so backwardly affected of the truth of Religion Pag. 79. as that rather they would turne head upon the Gospell than Pag. 79. brooke an alteration of Archiepiscopall Episcopall and Archidiaconall Church governement In deed if a reformation of the state of the Clergie were attempted by any other meanes than by publike tractation and consent of Parliament I could not but leane unto this opinion that the attempting thereof might bring an overthrow to the attempters Because the same attempt should be dishonourable to the name of God as being contrary to the forme of doctrine received But since things amisse are required to be redressed by the King and Parliament alone this objection is altogether vaine and frivelous and is already sufficiently convinced by that peaceable agreement betweene Nobles and Commons before remembred But let us wade a little deeper and search a little more narrowly into every veine creeke and corner of this supposition And let us see by what manner of persons this pretensed overthrow of the Gospell might bee wrought All carnall sensuall and earthly men either whose belly is their No feare that prophane men will overthrow the Gospell god or whose God is this world all such men I say as in every age be of Domingoes religion namely just and jump of that religion which the King and State professe they are so farre from attempting ought to overthrow the Gospell as under the shadow of the name thereof they will evermore croud and cover their carnalitie and prophannesse For they being evermore of every religion and so indeed of no religion and passing not whether our Saviour Christ or Beliall be their God sing as the Poet singeth Ais Aio Negas Nego beck and bow cap and knee to whatsoever the State and Law commands If the King be a Gospeller the Gospel the Gospel and naught else but the Gospel shall be found to roule in their mouthes But let the Crowne once turne by and by they have turned their Coates and as weaher-cocks with every puffe of winde are huffed about Whatsoever order or manner of government bee planted or displanted in the Church the same shall bee no corosive to them It shall never sticke in these mens stomacks neither will they lay it to their heartes The King and the Counsell is wise enough and know what they have to doe well enough They will not bee more forward nor wiser than the Prince they will not checke and controll the whole Realme They cannot brooke these busie bodies and medlers in matters above their reach They will bee none of these new fangled and precise fooles they will not be backward and come behinde the law as the Papists doe neither will they be too forward and runne before the law as the Puritans doe But they will behave themselves in all things and at all seasons as discreet and politike Protestants ought to doe conforming and submitting themselves alwayes to all order and authoritie of the Queenes booke and lawes setled Yea and though they be not booke learned nor any pen Clerks yet they believe well And therefore they will goe to the Church and say a few prayers yea and they will receive the Sacrament at Easter as devoutly as the best precisian of them all All these Atheists and godlesse men being neither hot nor cold neither fish nor flesh nor good red herring plant what plants you will and sowe what seeds you list yea make what ditch hedge pale wall or sence you please they set cocke upon hoope and passe not a button for it every season be it wet or be it dry every kind of land be it clay or be it sand every surrow be it broad or be it narrow be it deepe or be it shallow pleaseth these medley coates alike They are like unto Iacobs Ewes which having straked and party coloured rods laid before them in the gutters at a ramming time brought forth none other but party coloured Lambes And therefore they will never stir hand nor foot nor once step over a straw to worke any Admonitory protestants by their owne doctrine ought not to binde the Church to a perpetuall gove●nment of prelacie least annoyance to the Gospell It is good sleeping alwayes for these men in a whole skinne And not much unlike to these party coloured sleepers are the admonitorie protestants For they as the dutie of faithfull subjects doe bind them living in a state of the Church reformed and having libertie in externall government and other outward orders to choose such as they thinke in wisedome and godlinesse to be most convenient for the state of their countrey and disposition of the people and having the consent of their godly Magistrates to that outward forme of jurisdiction and deciding of Ecclesiasticall causes these kinde of protestants I say alwayes blowing out the trumpet of obedience and crying an alarum of loyaltie to every ordinance of man and gravely wisely and stoutly demeaning themselves against all the giddie heads and fanaticall schismatikes and wrangling spirits of our age dare not I trow slip the collar nor cast off the yoke dare not push with the horne nor wince with the heele against the Gospell If so bee by the authoritie of our Christian King with the consent of his Parliament the platforme of govern as he saith devised by some of our neighbour Churches but as we and they themselves confesse practised by the Apostles and Primitive Church might bee received and established to be the best and fittest order of governement for the Church of England as well as it hath been a long time and yet is of Scotland and of most of all other Christian Churches For if it be too great a bridle of Christian libertie as they say in things externall to cast upon the Church of Christ a perpetuall commandement and if the Church have free libertie to make choise of what government soever she thinketh convenient then is she neither restrained at her pleasure to forsake that which by long experience she hath found to be inconvenient neither is she tyed still to retaine Archiepiscopall Episcopall and Archidiaconall governement though for a long season the same have beene used For that indeed might well and justly be said be too to great a bridle of Christian libertie when by necessitie there is cast upon the Church such a perpetuall regiment of prelacy as may
written of the common law is reported hath beene in times passed presented and punished in leets and law-dayes in divers parts of the Realme by the name of Letherwhyte which is as the booke saith an ancient Saxon terme And the Lord of the Leet where it hath beene presented hath ever had a fine for the same offence By the statute of those that be borne beyond the seas it appeareth that the King hath cognizance 25. Ed 3. of some bastardy And now in most cases of bastardie if not in all by the statute of Eliz. the reputed father of a bastard borne is lyable to be punished at the discretion of the justices of peace Touching perjurie if a man lose his action by a false verdict in plea Perjurie if punishable temporally in some cases why not in all of land he shall have an attaint in the Kings Court to punish the perjurie and to reforme the falsitie And by divers statutes it appeareth that the Kings temporall Officers may punish perjurie committed in the Kings temporall Courts And though it be true that such perjury as hath risen upon causes reputed spirituall have beene in times past punished only by Ecclesiastical power and censures of the Church yet hereupon it followeth not that the perjurie it selfe is a meere spirituall and not a temporall crime or matter or that the same might not to be civily punished By a statute of Westminster 25. Edw. 3. it was accorded that the Vsurie King and his heires shall have the cognizance of the usurers dead and that the Ordinaries have cognizance of usurers on life to make compulsion by censures of the Church for sinne and to make restitution of the usuries taken against the lawes of holy Church And by another statute it is provided that usuries shall not turne against any being ●0 h. 3. ● 5. within age after the time of the death of his Ancestor untill his full age But the usurie with the principall debt which was before the death of his ancestor did remaine and turne against the heire And because all usurie being forbidden by the law of God is sinne and detestable it was enacted that all usurie lone and forbearing of money c. giving dayes c. shall be punished according to the forme of that Act. And that every such offender shall also bee punished and corrected according to the Ecclesiasticall lawes before that time made against usurie By all which statutes it seemeth that the cognizance and reformation of usurie by the lawes of the Realme pertaineth onely to the King unlesse the King by his Law permit the Church to correct the same by the censures of the Church as a sin committed against the holy law of God Touching heresies and schismes albeit the Bishops by their Episcopall and ordinarie spirituall power grounded upon Canon law or an evill custome have used by definitive sentence pronounced in their Consistories to condemn men for heretikes and schismatikes and heresies schismes are punishable by the kings laws afterward being condemned to deliver them to the secular power to suffer the paines of death as though the king being custos utriusque tabulae had not power by his kingly office to inquire of heresie to condemn an heretike and to put him to death unlesse he were first condemned and delivered into his hands by their spirituall power although this hath been I say the use in England yet by the statutes of Richard the second and Henry the fifth it was lawfull for the Kings Judges and Justices to enquire of heresies and Lollards in Leets Sheriffs 25. h. 5. c. 14. turnes and in Law dayes and also in Sessions of the peace Yea the King by the common law of the Realme revived by an act of Parliament which before the Statute of Henry the fourth was altered may pardon a man condemned for heresie yea and if it should come to passe that any heresies or schismes should arise in the Church of England the king by the Lawes of the Realme and by his Supreme and 1 Eliz c. 1. Soveraigne power with his parliament may correct redresse and reforme all such defaults and enormities Yea further the king and his 1 Eliz. c. 1. parliament with consent of the Clergie in their Convocation hath power to determine what is heresie and what is not heresie If then it might please the king to have it enacted by parliament that they which opiniatively and obstinately hold defend and publish any opinions which according to an Act of Parliament already made have beene or may be ordered or adjudged to bee heresies should bee heretikes If it please the King heretikes may be adjudged felons and heresies felonies and felons and their heresies to be felonies and that the same heretiks and felons for the same their heresies and felonies being arraigned convicted and adjudged by the course of the common law as other felons are should for the same their heresies and felonies suffer the paines of death there is no doubt but the King by vertue of his Soveraigne and Regall Lawes might powerfully enough reforme heresies without any such ceremoniall forme papall observance or superstitious solemnitie as by the order of the Canon Law pretended to bee still in force have beene accustomed And as these offences before mentioned bee punishable partly by temporall and partly by Ecclesiasticall authoritie so drunkennesse absence from divine service and prayer fighting quarrelling and brawling in Church and Churchyard defamatorie words and libels violent laying on o● hands upon a Clarke c. may not onely bee handled and punished in a court ecclesiasticall but they may also be handled and punished by the King in his temporall courts By all which it is evident that the Clergie hath had the correction of these crimes rather by a The cognizance of all crimes as well as of some crimes ●● the law of God belong to the King custome and by sufferance of Princes than for that they be meere spirituall or that they had authoritie by the immediate law of God And if all these as well as some of these crimes by sufferance of Princes and by a custome may be handled and punished spiritually then also if it please the King may all these as well as some of these crimes without a custome be handled and punished temporally For by custome and sufferance only some of these crimes be exempted from the cognizance of the King and therefore by the immediate law of God the cognizance as well of all as of some o● these crimes properly appertaineth unto the King And then the judgement of those men who defend judgements of adulterie slander c. to be more temporall and by the temporall Magistrate only to be dealt in seemeth every way to be a sincere and sound judgment Howbeit they doe not hereby intend that the party offending in any of these things and by the Kings law punishable should therefore wholly bee exempted and freed
Lawes by punishment of body and losse of goods than excommunication and that they will more feare that manner of punishment I hold and affirme therein as he holdeth and affirmeth and yet I say that to the matter in question hee hath fitted no other answer than as if hee had answered a poke full of plummes or a Buchet full of Peares for the controversie is not concerning those that are without but concerning those that are within not touching those that are not of the house-hold but touching them that are of the house-hold of faith and of God As for the first sort of which people the Reverend Bishops with good leave may procure what sharp punishment they can devise for by the Church excommunicated they should never bee For how should any be thrust from the communion of the Church who never were in the communion with the Church But it is to bee feared that this sharpnesse of punishment is not urged so much to be inflicted upon them that are without as upon them that are within the bosome of the Church For though such as bee without did a long time scorne and set naught by the sword of excommunication which was not onely drawne out by the Chancelours Commissaries and Officials for every crust of bread and for every piece of Bacon but also which was againe put up for every cracked grote and for every IRISH harper the Reverend Bishops whose freehold by such contempt was not touched were pacified and contented themselves well enough by inflcting and releasing that manner of punishment but now for so much as they perceive the Children within the Church to begin seriously and religiously to stand against the use of Lordly and humane censures for the Crown and Scepter of our Saviour Christ and that the statelinesse of Prelacy must be taken one hole lower if the simplicity of the holy ministery bee exalted a degree higher they pretend Discipline by excommunication which is the sword of the Son and heire of God to be too bluntly pointed and too badly edged to foyne or to strike withall Touching that very good manner of Discipline by the Ecclesiasticall commission which hee saith hath done and doth daily much good and would doe more if it were more common the people whom hee admonisheth have just cause of being desirous to understand what manner of Discipline it is which is so highly commended Not one manner of Discipline used by the Ecclesiasticall Commissioners For all men know that the Ecclesiasticall Commissioners use not in all places and at all times one and the selfe same manner of Discipline For the same Commissioners for the same kind of offences sometimes suspend sometimes deprive sometimes degrade sometimes excommunicate sometimes fine sometimes impr●son sometimes command this penance and sometimes that Nay sometimes having convented before them grave Learned and godly Ministers for crimes supposed to be Ecclesiasticall and for the same pretensed Ecclesiasticall offences having detained them some yeares in durance This Discipline was practised against Master Cart-Wright Fenner Whight L. Snape and others for refusall of the oath ex officio in the end not having any other supposed just cause of inflicting any punishment upon them by Ecclesiasticall authority have been forced for a shew to maintaine their own credits to cause accusations to be framed against them by the Queenes Atturney in the High Court of Star Chamber as against violators of the dignities of the Royall Crowne whose innocencies by the very witnesses produced by their meanes on the behalfe of the Queene have notwithstanding beene fully cleared from the faults objected and the Ministers discharged without any ordinary Ecclesiasticall Discipline used by the high Commissioners against M. Vdall punishment usually inflicted by that Court upon malefactors Nay further when the Ecclesiasticall Commissioners had committed Master Vdall to prison where he remained halfe a yeare for refusall of the oath ex officio touching his knowledge of the Author of a Book entituled The Demonstration in the end he was delivered over as a fel on for making of the same booke and for the which he was arraigned and convicted and so died in prison notwithstanding our Soveraigne Lord King Iames then King of Scotland had Gratiously written for his deliverance And how then would the Admonitor have the people contented with such a moderation of Ecclesiasticall discipline as the Ecclesiasticall Commissioners ma●y times use For did he thinke that every manner of discipline used by the High Commissioners can not bee but a very good An oath tendered by the Ecclesiasticall Commission unto M. V. dall in case of Fellony moderat●on Why then let some of the Commissioners tell the people whether the Ecclesiasticall Commissioners used a very good moderation and manner of Discipline Ecclesiasticall against the same Master Vdall when they tendered unto him a corporall oath to have appeached himselfe upon a matter which was adjudged to be Felony or let them declare what a very good manner of discipline Ecclesiasticall certaine Ecclesiasticall Commissioners used when having a Gentleman before them wearing long haire they constrained the same Gentleman by force and strong hand to have his head notted in their presence The wearing of long haire by our Lawes being not reputed an Ecclesiasticall crime no although the same be worne by attendants upon the Reverend Bishops waiting on their Trenchers Or let them signifie unto us what a good manner of discipline and moderation it was for a Bishop and his associates to make an act in the High Commission Court repugnant to the Institution of our Saviour Christ and contrary to the order The Minister authorized to put sacramental bread into the mouth of a Communicant appointed by the Book of Common Prayer that the Minister should put the Sacramentall bread inro the mouth of a superstitious communicant and not deliver it into his ha●ds After our hearty commendations saith the Bishop and his associates whereas I. V. one of your charge hath beene often convented before us Her Majesties Commissioners in causes Ecclesiasticall for not receiving the holy Communion it seemeth unto us that he hath not of any contemptuous minde refrained f●om the same but is willing to receive it and so hath bound himselfe saving that hee hath a scruple in his minde by reason of a fond vow or promise hee made long agoe whereof he is sorry never to receive the Sacrament into his hand but to put it into his mouth by the Minister And therefore wee pray you to beare a time with his weakenesse and permit him to receive it in that sort untill by your good counsell and perswasion he may be reduced from that fond scruple And so we bid you heartily farewell Your loving friends c. And seeing the Admonitor hath opposed a very good manner of Discipline by the Ecclesiasticall commission against excommunication it seemeth that excommunication in his judgement is no Master Excommunicated by the High Commissioners most
the Realm of Ireland of the K. highnesse most honourable privie Councell chosen by him for the assistance of his Royal person in matters appertaining to his Kingly estate and lastly of the supreme and grand Councell of the three estates in Parliament for matters concerning the Church the King and the common weale For whether respect be had unto the secret affaires of the Kings estate consulted upon in his Highnesse Councell Chamber by his privie Councellers or whether we regard the publike tractation of matters in Parliament there can be no man so simple as not to know both these privie and open negotiations to be carried by most voices of those persons who by the K. are called to those honourable assemblies And what a vaine jangling then doth the Admonitor keepe and how idely and wranglingly doth he dispute when against the government of the Church by Pastours and Elders hee objecteth that the same will interrupt the lawes of the Realme that it will bee great occasion of partiall and affectionate dealing that some will incline to one part and that the residue will be wrought to favour the other and that thereby it will be a matter of strife discord schisme and heresies Howbeit if never any of these extremities and dangers have fallen out in the common weale by any partiall ot affectionate dealing of the Kings Deputies Presidents Judges Justicers and other Officers and Ministers associated unto them for the administration of Justice or equitie in any of the Kings civill Courts how much lesse cause have we to feare any partialitie affection working inclination favour strife debate schismaticall or hereticall opinions if once Pastours and Elders in every Congregation and not throughout a Diocesse one Bishop alone had the spirituall administration of the Church cause Can many temporall Officers Justicers and Judges rightly and indifferently administer the Law and execute j●stice and judgement without that that some doe incline to one part and without that the residue be wrought to favour the other part And cannot spirituall Officers dispatch spirituall affaires without that that they be partially and affectionally disposed What is it so easie a matter that the Ancients of God and the Ministers of Christ can the one part incline to righteousnesse and the residue be wrought to favour wickednesse can some incline to God and unto Christ and can other some be wrought to follow Satan and Antichrist For what other controversie is requ●red to be decided by Pastours and Elders than the controversie of sin between the soule of man and his God And is there any Christian Pastour or Elder that will be wrought rather to favour the sinne of a mortall man than the glory of his immortall God But to leave the state of the kingdome and common weale and the good usages and customes of the same let us come to the state of the Church it selfe and to the lawfull government thereof established even amongst us at this The government of the Church ought not to be by one alone day For whatsoever our Reverend Bishops practise to the contrary yet-touching ordination and deposition of Ministers touching excommunication and absolution touching the order and rule of Colleges Cathedral Churches and the Vniversities the Ecclesiastical law doth not commit the administration of these things and regiment of these places to any one person alone The Vniversities admit not the government of the Chancellour being present nor of his Vicechancellour The government in the Vniversities not by one alone The government in Colledges not by one alone himselfe being absent as of one alone the Doctors Procurators Regents and non-Regents have all voices and by most o● their voices the Vniversitie causes take successe The businesses of Colledges by the statutes of their founders are commended to the industrie and fidelitie of the President Viceprovost and Fellowes unto the Provost and Viceprovost and Fellowes unto the Warden Sub-warden and fellowes unto the Master and fellowes and unto such like Officers and fellowes The Cathedrall The government of Cathedrall Churches not by one alone Churches their livings and their lands their revenues and their dividents their Chapiters and their co●ferences depend upon the will and disposition of the Deane and Chapiter and not of the Bishop alone Neither can the Bishop alone by any ancient canon law pretended to be in force place or displace excommunicate or absolve any Ecclesiasticall person without the judgement of the Chapiter Ex de exces Prela c. 2. Exc. de hiis quaes cons cap c novit And aswell by a statute 21. H. 8. c. 13. as also by the booke of consecrating Archbishops c. the presence of divers Ministers and the people is required at the ordi●ation of every Minister As for the deposition or degradation of Ministers under the correction of the reverend Whether the degradation of a Minister be warrantable Monsieur de ● Iesis 164. in the 2 book of the Masse Bb. be it spoken I think they have not so much as any colour of any law for it The form of the degradation of a popish and sacrificing Priest by the Canon law can be no pretext to degrade a Minister of the Gospell because a Minister of the Gospell is not set into his charge per calicem patinam with a cup full of wine and dish full of hostes neither receiveth hee any character at all of a shaveling priest And because a Minister of the Gospell is ordained only after that manner which the statute law hath appointed how should the ordination made by so high an authoritie be undone by any other power unto the former manners of the administration of the causes of the Vniversities Colledges and Cathedrall Churches may be added the execution of Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction committed The ecclesiasticall Commission exercised by many commissioners and not by one heretofore by the Queen unto the Ecclesiastical Commissioners For althought by the words of the statute her Highnesse had full power and authoritie by her letters patents to assign name and authorize any one person a naturall borne subject to execute spi●ituall jurisdiction yet neverthelesse according to the laudable usages and customes of her Kingdome and courts temporall she evermore authorised not one alone but divers and sundry aswell temporall as Ecclesiasticall persons for the execution thereof Which manner of The ecclesiasticall commission commanded by the Bishops if it please the King may be enlarged unto all parishes wherin are godly preaching Ministers commission because the reverend Bb. commend the same and avow that it would do more good if it were more common it cannot but seem to be a most gratefull thing unto all good men especially unto those reverend Fathers if humbly wee beseech the king that his highnesse would be pleased to make it more common And therfore in the behalfe aswell of the reverend Bb. as of all the learned and grave Doctors and Pastours of every Church we most instantly
temporall should have beene derived originally unto the Bishop from her Highnesse person as from the only head and fountain of all the same spirituall power within her Kingdomes in such manner and form and by such commission under the great Seal as her H. temporall Officers Justicers and Judges had their authorities committed unto them And to this opinion Master D. Bilson seemeth to accord For all power Pag. 348. saith he is not only committed to the sword which God hath authorised but is wholly closed in the sword Against the head that it shall not be head to rule and guide the feet can be no prescription by reason Gods Ordinance for the head to governe the body is a perpetuall and eternall law and the usurpation of the members against it is no prescription but a confusion and the subversion of that order which the Pag. 114. 130. God of heaven hath immutably decreed and setled Besides there resteth saith the Remonstrance unto the Bishops of this Realme none other but subordinate and delegate authoritie and that the matter and heads wherein this jurisdiction is occupied are by and from the Christian Magistrates authoritie In whom as supreme Governour all jurisdiction within her Dominions aswell Ecclesiasticall as Civill by Gods and mans law is invested and their authoritie Ecclesiasticall is but subordinate under God and the Prince derived for the most part from the Prince From which two Statutes and judgements of the gorernours of the Church contained in these two bookes for these two 1 Eliz. c. 1 8 Eliz. c. 1. books were seen and allowed by the Governours of the Church I leave it to be considered if the Bishop did exercise the same improper and abusive spirituall power and jurisdiction Ecclesiasticall only and alonely in their owne names stiles and dignities and under their own seales of office and that also by authoritie of forraign and Papall laws if I say the Bishop did these things after this and this manner I leave it then to be considered whether their exercise of such power were derogatory and prejudiciall in a very high degree to the prerogatives of the Royall Crown or not For my part because I finde by the forraign Canon Law that Papall Bishops bee the Popes sonnes and are priviledged to carry the print and image of the Pope their father namely that they have plenitudinem potestatis within their Diocesses as the Pope pretendeth Ex. de Major obe to have power over the whole world For quilibet ordinarius saith the same law in sua Dioecesi est major quolibet principe and because also notwithstanding whatsoever the B b. have written that M. Bilson pag. 330. they were the Queenes B b and had their authoritie derived unto them from the Queene they did in her life time put the same Papall Law in execution and by the same law did take upon them plenitudinem potestatis within their Diocesses I for my part I say can not as yet otherwise conceive but that exceedingly ●hey did intrude themselves into the Royall preeminences priviledges and prerogatives of the Queene For by what other authoritie than by a certaine The Bb. by a plenary power devised and promulged new Canons without the Queenes assent plenarie power did they in their owne names for the government of their severall Churches within their severall Diocesses from time to time make promulge and by vertue of mens corporall oathes put in execution what new Canons Injunctions and Articles soever seemed good unto them without any licence or confirmation from the Queene first had and obtained thereunto By which pretensed plenarie power it seemeth that the statute made to bring the Clergie in submission to the King was covertly deluded and our late Soveraigne Lady the Queene cunningly bereaved of that regall authoritie over every particular Diocesan or Ordinarie which notwithstanding by the Parliament was given unto her Highnesse over the whole body and state of the Clergie For if once there bee no necessitie of the Kings licence assent or confirmation to such Articles Canons or Injunctions as every Ordinarie shall make within his jurisdiction then must it be intended that the Statute of submission hath covertly permitted severall members severally to doe and to execute those things which apparently and in expresse terms the whole convocation was commanded and with the same in verbo sacerdotii had promised not to doe then the which what can seeme more unreasonable and absurd For then might all the Ordinaries joyne hand in hand and agree all together in one never in any of their convocations assembled by the Kings Writ to devise make or promulge any Canons Ecclesiasticall at all And what assent licence or confirmation from the King could then be needfull Or how then was the Clergie brought in submission to the King For then should it not be with them as it is in the proverbe A threefold cord is not easily broken but then should it be with them contrary to the proverbe for they being all fast knit and bound together unto the Kings authoritie by a cord of twenty foure threads might easily be broken but being severed and pluckt assunder into twenty foure parts one from the other the 24 Bishops can make no law with out leave And ye● every B. doth make many lawes King with all his regall power might not be able so much as to break one of the least threads wherewithall one of their cords was twisted If the Lord Major the Sheriffs Aldermen and whole communaltie of the Citie of London should promise unto the King upon their fidelities not to set any price upon Wines or other victuals by their common Councell within the said Citie unlesse the King under his privie signet should first authorize them so to doe were it not a meere collusion of the Kings meaning if every particular Alderman should set prices of such things in every particular ward But against the collection made from the Statutes 1 8 Eliz. and the judgement of the divines aforesaid A collection made against the former reason by an Apologie for sundry proceed by jurisdi ●● pag. 5. the author of an Apologie to his understanding reckoneth the same collection to be a very simple collection and against the same he answereth and reasoneth in effect thus If as is collected all power spirituall by a commission under the great Seale must bee derived from the Queene to warrant the execution of it unto him that is to exercise it then must the like warrant bee procured for every temporall office to execute his temporall office But every temporall officer must not procure like warrant to execute his temporall office Therefore a Commission under the great Seale must not be procured to warrant the execution of the said spirituall power The consequence of his major proposition being false he laboureth notwithstanding to make the same good and in effect for the same argueth thus All temporall authoritie as