Linguistic DNA - Concept Modelling Demonstrator

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
B11734	The vnreasonablenesse of the separation Made apparant, by an examination of Mr. Iohnsons pretended reasons, published an. 1608. Wherby hee laboureth to iustifie his schisme from the church assemblies of England.	Bradshaw, William, 1571-1618.; Ames, William, 1576-1633. Manudicition for Mr. Robinson.	1614 (1614)	STC 3532; ESTC S113892	55,662	116

offices of such Prelats Priests and Deacons as are Ministers of our Church Assemblies For most of those which haue such offices are and are bound to be members of true visible Churches And cannot in their Estate they being in all points answerable to the lawes be members of a falce Church They are all such excepted as haue speciall dispensations bound to one particuler Congregation and may not by law haue more Cures then one but admitting of a seconde the first is voyd Yea the Prelats theÌ„selues though in regard of their Prelaticall office they are Gouernors of whole Prouinces diocesses yet it is possible for them not withstanding to be members in their Estate of a true visible Church and bee bound as are the Prelats of Scotland to one particuler congregation for the speciall Ministery and Gouerment therof And though the other Ministers may haue in that estate pluralitie of benefices and Cures yet it doth not follow that therfore they are such as in their estate cannot be members of a true visible Church excepte they haue theÌ„ indeede yea though they should be pluralists indeede yet for ought hee hath proued to the contrary they may bee membres of true visible Churches and may each bee bound to one particuler Congregation for the Ministery and Gouerment therof But what man except hee were halfe frantick wold reason thus Our Ministers may bee Pluralists therfore they neither are nor can be true Pastors and Teachers Is not this rather one of the honors then blemishes of our Ministers That they may be pluralists and yet are not If by our lawes their owne Assemblies were established If by the same lawes their Pastors and Teachers might bee non residents or pluralists or worse would they think hemselus euer the worse for this would they not rather thinke themselus the better that they are not soe bad as by mans lawe they might bee Fr. Iohn The Offices Condition and Gouerment of Pastors and Teachers The 7. Arg. are such as noe way impaire the Authority and Supremacy of the Syvill Magistrate But the offices Condition and Gouerment of Prelates Priests Deacons are such as doe many waies impaire the Authoritie Supremacie and dignity of Kings and all other Magistrats both in Civill and Ecclesiasticall Causes For the Prelates will haue their presence voice and Authority to be at Parlaments for enacting of lawes and Statuts for the Common wealth They are Rulers of whol Prouinces and diocesses in the Ecclesiasticall causes therof In Civill State and dignity some of them are aboue all and all of them aboue some of the Nobles Iustices and other Magistrats of the Lande Themselues their Courts and officers handle and determine sundry Civill Causes and affaires appertaining to the Magistracie They inflict Civill Mults and punishments In their forbidden times they giue licence to Mary The beneficed Priests sweare Canonicall obeidience to the Prelats All the Priests and Deacons are exempt from the Magistrats Iurisdiction in diuers things appertaining vnto them and answerable onely or cheifly to the Prelats and their officers Therfore they are not the onely Pastors and Teachers spoken of Eph. 4.11 Answere The Assumption is falce nether doe the instances proue the same 1. The Prelats claime their voices in Parlament not as diuine ordinaunces appartaining to their Prelateship but as an honor annexed to the same by the Civill Magistrate 2. Their Authority in Causes Ecclesiasticall ouer Prouinces c. is either such as the Civill Magistrate himselfe may execute and administer in his owne person if hee please or such as is not for them as they are Magistrats to execute The first sort they administer only by vertue of the Magistrats owne Commission and therin they cannot impair either his dignity or Supremacie much lesse in the other part of their Authoritie which belongeth not to the Magistrats themselues to execute especially when they vse it not nether without their consent lycence and approbation 3. That all are aboue some and some aboue all of the Nobles and Iustices c. is a free and voluntary honour graunted vnto them by the Civill Magistrate and held in tenure from him and not claimed as I thinke as belonging to their Episcopall function by diuine right 4. Their Courts determine noe other Civill causes then the Civill Magistrate and his lawes do permit or if they doe the falt is in the Parsons and not in the Prelatship further they inflict Civill punishments giue lycences exacte Oathes c. by Authority from the Magistrat whose subsistutes therin they are And therfore the Prelates neither in theis nor in any of the former instances can bee saide to impaire the dignity Authoritie or Supremacie of the Civill Magistrate when herein they doe all things in and by the protection of his Authoritie much lesse can other inferior Ministers who haue noe dealing in the aforesaid matters Lastly if all our Ministers be exempt from the Magistrats Iurisdiction in some things appertaining vnto them but wherin I knowe not this very exemptioÌ„ it selfe is an act of the Magistrats Iurisdiction depends onely vpon his pleasure how can it theÌ„ any waies impair the same hytherto hee hath dealt by Syllogismes such as they are now for a conclusion of this first Argument hee shoots at rouers as followeth Fr. Iohn To this end diuers other reasons might be aledged for example If they say that Arch Bishops haue the Pastors then they haue but two If Lord Bishops then but 26. and what office then haue the Arch Bishops amongst them If the other Priestes then what office haue the Arch Bishops and Bishops seing God hath or dayned noe higher ordinary Ecclesiasticall office as some of them-selus acknowledg If they say the deacons haue the Pastors office the same absurdity followeth as in the former besids that the works of the deacons office are opposed to the worke of the Ministery Act. 6.2 with Eph. 4.11 Rom. 12.8 If they should say they haue the Teachers office it would be known which of their officiers haue it amongst them and to whom they are adioyned for the worke of Ministery as Teachers are to Pastors and what office the rest haue whom the accompt not to haue the Teachers office whether the Teacher spoken of Eph. 4.11 must first bee deacons and then Priestes and permit obeydeince to the Prelates and that also is to their ordinaires and be sylenced and deposed at thtir pleasure Answere Here hee thinkes hee hath knitt such Gardian knotts as cannot be vntide without a sword or a bill but the Simplicitie of the man here in is to bee laughed at for 1. though some should say that either our Arch Bishops or Bishops haue the Pastors office yet ther in they doe not exclude the other Ministers from that which is the substance and effect of that office though they should from the name No nor froÌ„ the name neither but should therin onely make degres of pastours viz. of Arch

Bishops over Bishops and their Diocesses of Bishops over Ministers and their Churches and of Ministers ouer their owne Congregations Leaving vnto them not with staÌ„ding the Superioritie of the other Pastors that maine and Substantial office of the Pastor which is enough to define and denominate a Pastor And therfore they may make such Pastors as are over whole Prouinces but two such as are over whole diocesses but 26. and yet hold also without any absurditie that their are also as many Pastors besyds as ther are Ministers of a particuler Congregation And though it should be graunted that herein they were deceaued in making Provinciall and diocesme Pastors yet the sorteing of vnproper Pastors with true or the subiecting of true Pastors vnto other sorts of Pastors doth not necessarily make the true Pastors fals soe long as vnder them they performe the name and substantiall duties of true Pastors which all the Ministers of our Church Assemblies doe or by the lawes ought to doe 2. If any hould that the Ministers of perticular Congregations onely are Pastors theÌ„ they may without any absurdity hould that they Arch Bishops and Bishops are generall CoÌ„missioners vnder the King to see that the Pastors doe their duties and in that regard may also Metaphorically and in another sence bee called Pastors as Princes themselves are soe called in good and approued Authors and what absurdity can follow vpon this Or what if they which hould the Ministers of perticular Congregations to bee Pastors could not tell what to make of the office of Arch Bishops and Bishops what 's that to the purpose are not our Ministers and Teachers therfore Pastors because they which shall hould them to bee soe cannot tell what to make of the Calling of Arch Bishops and Bishops 3. Though this should bee yelded vnto him that all Pastors are equall and that the Pastors of perticular Congregations are the highest ordinary Ecclesiasticall officers yet should this make nothing to the confirming of his conceit That our Ministers are not therfore true Pastors and Teachers because then Arch Bishops and Bishops should be excluded for this doth not exclude them from being Commissioners and Visitors in causes ecclesiasticall vnder the King over the Pastors and Churches of such and such Prouinces and Diocesses which is to giue theÌ„ their principall honour due 4. Concerning the Teachers office not to contende needlesly with him about the nature and quality therof but to suppose a Teacher in that sence which hee meaneth This may reasonably bee held That some of our Ministers whether Priests or Deacons so called or whether Parsons Vicars Curats or Stipendaries are Pastors and some Teachers That so many of them as haue and vse the gift not onely of doctrine and instruction but of Exhortation are Pastors That those which wanting the power of Exhortation and yet haue vse the gift of instruction and doctrine are such Teachers as hee meaneth And therfore herein also if it should bee yealded vnto him That it were fit that every Congregation should haue both theis offices and that the Teacher should be the Pastors Assistant yet it doth not follow but that in want of sufficient men for both theis offices in every Congregation some may inioy one and some an other For if the Churches of their owne way and constitution may bee without both Pastors Teachers and that for a long time till men may be chosen vnto that office Why may not a Church much more in the like necessity retaine a Pastor without a Teacher or a Teacher without a Pastor Can hee proue by any colour out of Gods word That one cannot bee called vnto or execute the office of a Pastor vntill hee haue a Teacher to assist him or that hee cannot execute the office of a Doctor except hee do it as an actuall assistant of some Pastor If not then is this a most frivolous demaunde when hee askes to whome our Teachers are adioynd for the worke of their Ministery nether doe the places hee quoteth viz. Eph. 4.11 RoÌ„ 12.7 proue any such matter 5. As idle and impertinent is that demande which followeth whether the Teachers spoken of Eph. 4.11 must first bee Deacons then Priests promise obeidience to Prelats be silenced and deposed at their pleasures For what if noe such matters bee required of Teachers by Paul either in that or any other place doth it thervpon follow that their submission to such things makes them noe Teachers may not Magistrats others also require some things of Teachers not required by the Apostles but they must needs thervpon become no Teachers But what repugnauncie is their in theis matters to the office of a Teacher To be a Deacon in the intent of our lawes what is it but as himselfe out of our booke of ordination hath in effect published it To read the Seriptures Pag. 31. to pray in the Church to Catechise the IoÌ„ger sort to baptize to preach if the Bishop shal think him sitt what is it to bee a Priest or Presbyter in our law hath not himself also taught vs viz. Pag. 32. To haue authoritie to Preach the word and to Minister the holy Sacramentes in the Congregation wher hee shal be appointed what obeidience doe they promise to Prelates in the intent of the lawe but onely in things that they shal judge honest and lawfull and not repugnaunt to the word of God what is it to bee sylenced and deposed but to forbear to Minister publiquly as themselues doe also forbeare vpon the Magistrats pleasure for the Bishops pleasure soe far as they proceede according to the lawes is the Magistrats pleasure otherwise it is but a personall fault And wherein Imarvaile doe any of these acts so oppugne the office of a Teacher that they cannot stand together wher doth Paul forbid any of theis acts vnto the Teacher or if hee should doth euery Act forbidden to a Teacher make him noe Teahcer Fr. Iohn pag. 14. Wheras some alledge that the people were to hear the Scribs and Pharesees sitting in Moses Chayre it is to bee noted that they were Leuits and Priests and therfore had the true offices appointed by Moses This therfore is nothing for a fals Ministery such as theirs is proued to bee further to bee a Pharefye was not to haue a new kinde of Ministery but to bee of a speciall Sect amongst the Iewes that pretended more strict observances of the law and might bee of any Tribe Lastly though the were corrupt yet did the hould that very true Minister must bee from heauen and this haue the forward Preachers acknowledged as T. C. pag. 83. Answere Here absurdly and Childishly hee goeth about to answer such an objection as noe body ever made against any thing contained in the former Argument This Argument onely is vsed in generall to shewe that some corruptions in Ministers and Churches are not of that nature that men should therfore seperate from all

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