Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n
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A19149
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A second manuduction, for Mr. Robinson. Or a confirmation of the former, in an ansvver to his manumission
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Ames, William, 1576-1633.
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1615
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STC 556; ESTC S115272
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the_o law_n that_o bishop_n be_v the_o king_n spiritual_a judge_n their_o law_n his_o ecclesiastical_a law_n their_o jurisdiction_n so_o dependent_a on_o he_o that_o he_o may_v exempt_v any_o man_n from_o it_o &_o grant_v the_o same_o also_o to_o who_o he_o will_n for_o the_o which_o purpose_n he_o that_o desire_v may_v find_v plentiful_a proof_n in_o a_o book_n entitle_v a_o assertion_n for_o church_n policy_n now_o whereas_o m._n r._n aledge_v that_o the_o same_o jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a which_o have_v be_v in_o use_n in_o popery_n &_o a_o great_a part_n of_o the_o popish_a hierarchy_n be_v confirm_v primo_fw-la elizabethae_fw-la he_o have_v put_v another_o weapon_n in_o our_o hand_n for_o to_o wound_v his_o cause_n withal_o for_o the_o very_a title_n of_o that_o statute_n be_v a_o act_n restore_v to_o the_o crown_n the_o ancient_a jurisdiction_n over_o the_o state_n ecclesiastical_a and_o the_o whole_a house_n of_o commons_o have_v so_o interpret_v the_o meaning_n of_o that_o restauration_n which_o be_v therein_o make_v that_o by_o virtue_n thereof_o the_o king_n be_v enable_v to_o give_v power_n &_o jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a to_o any_o subject_n bear_v so_o if_o it_o please_v he_o all_o cause_n may_v be_v take_v from_o bishop_n &_o their_o officer_n &_o give_v unto_o other_o man_n in_o every_o parish_n of_o england_n this_o interpretation_n be_v find_v in_o the_o bill_n of_o greivance_n present_v to_o the_o king_n by_o those_o of_o the_o low_a house_n a_o 1610._o print_a in_o a_o book_n call_v a_o record_n of_o some_o worthy_a proceed_n &c._n &c._n that_o this_o or_o any_o other_o judgement_n of_o the_o law_n be_v not_o infallible_a i_o easy_o admit_v especial_o touch_v the_o quaestion_n of_o lawful_a or_o unlawful_a good_a or_o evil_n of_o which_o kind_n those_o instance_n be_v which_o mr._n r._n choose_v in_o this_o place_n to_o appose_v but_o 1._o see_v that_o when_o we_o allege_v the_o parish_n to_o be_v several_a church_n &_o to_o be_v consider_v as_o they_o subsist_v in_o their_o several_a condition_n and_o the_o call_n of_o minister_n in_o many_o assembly_n to_o be_v ground_v on_o the_o people_n choice_n etc._n etc._n we_o hear_v it_o still_o oppose_v with_o loud_a voice_n the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n allow_v no_o such_o thing_n they_o acknowledge_v no_o such_o matter_n etc._n etc._n be_v it_o not_o both_o fit_a &_o necessary_a then_o to_o declare_v the_o judgement_n of_o law_n or_o can_v he_o with_o honesty_n reject_v the_o sentence_n of_o law_n so_o ligt_o now_o who_o a_o little_a before_o build_v all_o upon_o it_o 2._o the_o quaestion_n be_v here_o of_o a_o matter_n of_o fact_n and_o the_o positive_a not_o moral_a nature_n of_o it_o whether_o this_o authority_n come_v from_o the_o king_n or_o no_o not_o whether_o it_o be_v every_o way_n good_a &_o laudable_a as_o be_v the_o controversy_n about_o cross_n syrplice_n &_o such_o like_a abuse_n which_o he_o mention_v and_o in_o such_o a_o case_n if_o the_o the_o law_n say_v yea_o and_o those_o that_o submit_v to_o they_o say_v also_o yea_o mr._n r._n must_v pardon_v we_o if_o his_o no_o be_v reject_v except_o his_o reason_n be_v pass_v strong_a his_o first_o reason_n why_o this_o power_n be_v not_o civil_a be_v because_o it_o be_v not_o coactive_a or_o bodily_a enforce_n but_o the_o bishop_n after_o excommunication_n can_v go_v no_o further_o except_o he_o procure_v a_o civil_a coactive_a process_n by_o writ_n out_o of_o another_o court_n i_o answer_v 1._o though_o it_o have_v no_o bodily_a enforce_n at_o all_o annex_v unto_o it_o yet_o it_o may_v be_v a_o civil_a power_n bodily_a enforce_v be_v but_o a_o penal_a sanction_n which_o come_v after_o the_o authority_n or_o power_n civil_a &_o may_v be_v separate_v from_o it_o 2._o it_o be_v therefore_o coactive_a or_o bodily_a enforce_n because_o it_o may_v direct_o require_v as_o due_a &_o by_o law_n belong_v unto_o it_o such_o coactive_a assistance_n by_o other_o officer_n as_o mr._n r._n himself_o speak_v of_o so_o many_o civil_a commission_n &_o letter_n patent_n be_v grant_v to_o man_n which_o have_v no_o authority_n seat_v in_o themselves_o for_o force_v of_o man_n unto_o obedience_n but_o have_v authority_n to_o charge_v the_o constable_n or_o justice_n that_o next_o be_v to_o aid_v they_o in_o their_o affair_n which_o authority_n of_o they_o notwithstanding_o be_v civil_a &_o in_o that_o respect_n coactive_a a_o second_o reason_n be_v take_v from_o the_o work_n of_o prelate_n jurisdiction_n which_o be_v for_o substance_n say_v he_o the_o make_n of_o minister_n &_o excommunicate_v of_o offender_n with_o their_o contrary_n &_o appurtenance_n which_o be_v not_o civil_a work_n neither_o can_v be_v perform_v by_o any_o civil_a magistrate_n where_o if_o by_o can_v or_o may_v he_o understand_v such_o right_a as_o man_n have_v for_o their_o deed_n by_o the_o law_n or_o word_n of_o god_n than_o i_o willing_o grant_v that_o no_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v by_o his_o civil_a office_n perform_v those_o work_n of_o ordination_n excommunication_n etc._n etc._n neither_o can_v the_o bishop_n so_o perform_v they_o herein_o consist_v that_o presumptuous_a usurpation_n whereof_o they_o be_v guilty_a before_o god_n &_o man_n but_o if_o he_o understand_v such_o right_a or_o power_n as_o man_n have_v for_o their_o deed_n by_o man_n law_n than_o i_o avouch_v out_o of_o the_o former_a ground_n &_o testimony_n of_o law_n that_o any_o other_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v receyve_v authority_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o those_o cause_n as_o well_o as_o prelate_n which_o experience_n confirm_v de_fw-fr facto_fw-la in_o the_o high_a commission_n &_o some_o other_o court_v whereby_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o though_o these_o work_n in_o their_o nature_n be_v spiritual_a yet_o through_o great_a abuse_n they_o be_v perform_v by_o civil_a authority_n second_o i_o answer_v that_o these_o work_n of_o ordination_n &_o excommunication_n with_o their_o contrary_n &_o appurtenance_n be_v not_o the_o substance_n or_o in_o effect_n the_o whole_a jurisdiction_n which_o bishop_n do_v exercise_n in_o their_o province_n &_o diocese_n though_o mr._n r._n affirm_v it_o again_o &_o again_o for_o 1._o the_o principal_a jurisdiction_n which_o prelate_n have_v be_v under_o the_o king_n to_o make_v certain_a rule_n canon_n or_o law_n for_o order_v of_o certain_a cause_n commit_v unto_o they_o 2._o those_o cause_n be_v for_o a_o great_a part_n of_o they_o mere_o civil_a such_o as_o by_o god_n law_n the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o order_n of_o which_o kind_n be_v the_o cause_n of_o matrimony_n of_o will_n or_o testament_n &_o many_o circumstance_n pertain_v to_o the_o several_a church_n within_o their_o precinct_n 3._o in_o the_o very_a business_n of_o ordination_n &_o excommunication_n it_o be_v of_o substance_n to_o see_v that_o worthy_a man_n be_v admit_v &_o unworthy_a exclude_v the_o form_n of_o ordination_n &_o excommunication_n usurp_v by_o they_o be_v corrupt_a appurtenance_n to_o those_o lawful_a action_n &_o not_o the_o substance_n whereto_o all_o the_o rest_n apperteyne_a neither_o do_v mr._n r._n agree_v with_o himself_o in_o make_v all_o the_o substance_n of_o spiritual_a government_n to_o consist_v in_o call_v of_o minister_n and_o exercise_v of_o censure_n or_o ordination_n &_o excommunication_n see_v his_o opinion_n be_v that_o all_o this_o may_v be_v do_z by_o the_o people_n &_o yet_o in_o his_o former_a book_n p._n 26._o affirm_v government_n not_o to_o belong_v to_o they_o wherein_o say_v he_o do_v the_o people_n govern_v as_o many_o please_v to_o reproach_v we_o the_o three_o argument_n be_v take_v from_o the_o form_n use_v in_o consecration_n of_o bishop_n wherein_o no_o mention_n be_v make_v of_o civil_a authority_n but_o only_o of_o spiritual_a whereunto_o i_o answer_v 1._o that_o their_o episcopal_a jurisdiction_n over_o a_o special_a diocese_n or_o province_n be_v not_o express_v in_o that_o consecration_n nor_o any_o thing_n of_o substance_n which_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o a_o parochial_a minister_n ordination_n which_o be_v a_o argument_n that_o the_o bishop_n receyve_v not_o that_o jurisdiction_n from_o he_o by_o who_o hand_n he_o be_v consecrate_v but_o from_o some_o other_o power_n &_o that_o be_v from_o the_o king_n 2._o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o word_n &_o form_n of_o consecration_n shall_v agree_v in_o all_o point_n with_o the_o state_n of_o a_o bishop_n for_o a_o bishop_n in_o that_o state_n &_o proceed_v which_o now_o be_v in_o use_n be_v partly_o fish_n &_o partly_o flesh_n or_o such_o a_o compound_n as_o be_v the_o foot_n of_o nebuchadnetsars_n image_n 2._o that_o be_v part_n of_o iron_n &_o part_n of_o clay_n which_o do_v not_o cleave_v one_o to_o the_o other_o for_o so_o be_v he_o part_n of_o civil_a power_n which_o be_v of_o sound_a mettle_n or_o iron_n &_o part_n of_o
possible_o stand_v 1._o all_o the_o minister_n be_v make_v &_o appoint_v by_o the_o bishop_n if_o therefore_o the_o bishop_n be_v take_v away_o how_o can_v the_o minister_n remain_v the_o same_o take_v away_o the_o correlative_a &_o relation_n cease_v trew_n the_o relation_n cease_v but_o be_v that_o external_a relation_n unto_o a_o efficient_a cause_n any_o part_n of_o the_o substance_n or_o essence_n of_o the_o ministry_n i_o have_v think_v that_o the_o substance_n &_o essence_n of_o a_o thing_n have_v consist_v in_o matter_n &_o form_n &_o not_o in_o such_o external_a relation_n marriage_n be_v also_o make_v as_o mr._n r._n affirm_v by_o bishop_n authority_n take_v away_o bishop_n therefore_o &_o by_o this_o reason_n the_o marriage_n shall_v not_o remain_v the_o same_o for_o substance_n which_o they_o be_v now_o licence_n for_o teach_v school_n &_o in_o many_o place_n for_o practise_v of_o physic_n be_v give_v by_o the_o bishop_n &_o their_o officer_n take_v away_o the_o bishop_n &_o may_v not_o the_o same_o schoolmaster_n &_o physician_n yet_o still_o remain_v for_o substance_n that_o be_v before_o fie_o upon_o sophistry_n 2._o take_v away_o the_o prelacy_n say_v mr._n r._n and_o how_o can_v such_o a_o ministry_n continue_v whereof_o one_o part_n viz_o rule_v shall_v be_v usurp_v by_o the_o prelate_n as_o if_o when_o once_o that_o power_n be_v take_v from_o the_o minister_n it_o now_o apperteyn_v to_o the_o substance_n of_o his_o ministry_n by_o who_o it_o be_v usurp_v whether_o he_o that_o possess_v it_o be_v a_o bishop_n or_o a_o high_a commissioner_n or_o of_o some_o other_o place_n that_o which_o be_v without_o a_o thing_n may_v be_v change_v without_o any_o substantial_a change_n of_o the_o thing_n itself_o else_o how_o can_v mr._n r._n say_v that_o either_o the_o function_n of_o masspreist_n or_o of_o popish_a bishop_n do_v remain_v still_o in_o england_n as_o of_o old_a for_o substance_n when_o there_o be_v so_o great_a a_o alteration_n in_o that_o supreme_a power_n from_o whence_o of_o old_a they_o be_v derive_v the_o office_n of_o a_o king_n also_o it_o remain_v the_o same_o for_o substance_n now_o that_o it_o be_v in_o time_n of_o popery_n for_o the_o substantial_a part_n of_o it_o yet_o one_o part_n thereof_o be_v in_o those_o time_n usurp_v &_o possess_v by_o the_o pope_n &_o be_v now_o restore_v to_o the_o crown_n viz_o power_n over_o ecclesiastical_a person_n &_o in_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n it_o can_v therefore_o be_v deny_v but_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n the_o parochial_a ministry_n shall_v abide_v the_o same_o for_o substance_n that_o now_o it_o be_v though_v that_o part_n which_o be_v now_o usurp_v by_o bishop_n shall_v be_v restore_v again_o so_o that_o bishop_n be_v remove_v whether_o that_o power_n of_o rule_v shall_v be_v translate_v unto_o some_o other_o officer_n or_o settle_v in_o the_o minister_n as_o it_o ought_v mr._n r._n argument_n have_v by_o neither_o way_n any_o weight_n or_o force_n at_o all_o 3._o take_v away_o say_v he_o the_o provinc_fw-la &_o diocesan_n church_n &_o prelate_n the_o parochial_a church_n &_o minister_n as_o part_n of_o they_o must_v fall_v also_o as_o part_n of_o they_o in_o deed_n they_o must_v of_o necessity_n fall_v that_o be_v they_o must_v cease_v to_o be_v part_n of_o they_o but_o it_o do_v not_o therefore_o follow_v that_o any_o thing_n of_o their_o internal_a substance_n shall_v fall_v the_o national_a church_n of_o england_n &_o so_o the_o provincial_a &_o diocesan_n do_v once_o stand_v member_n or_o part_n of_o the_o ecumenical_a papal_a church_n of_o rome_n now_o that_o be_v remove_v out_o of_o england_n so_o far_o at_o least_o that_o this_o national_a church_n be_v not_o subject_a unto_o rome_n nor_o dependent_a on_o it_o or_o contain_v in_o it_o as_o a_o part_n in_o a_o whole_a yet_o mr._n r._n will_v say_v that_o the_o same_o diocesan_n provincial_a &_o national_a church_n remain_v for_o substance_n that_o be_v before_o why_o do_v he_o not_o then_o see_v that_o parochial_a church_n may_v remain_v the_o same_o for_o substance_n though_o diocese_n and_o province_n do_v follow_v the_o other_o 4._o he_o reckon_v up_o sundry_a corruption_n idol_n priest_n cross_a &_o surplice_n with_o such_o vanity_n mixture_n of_o profane_a with_o the_o godly_a and_o ask_v if_o it_o be_v possible_a that_o the_o prelacy_n be_v abolish_v such_o thing_n shall_v remain_v as_o now_o i_o answer_v 1._o it_o be_v possible_a there_o be_v more_o mean_n of_o disorder_n &_o corruption_n then_o one_o neither_o can_v any_o such_o necessary_a conjunction_n be_v show_v betwixt_o the_o prelacy_n &_o these_o abuse_n but_o that_o it_o be_v possible_a to_o separate_v one_o from_o the_o other_o yet_o 2._o if_o they_o shall_v all_o be_v abolish_v with_o the_o prelacy_n no_o reasonable_a man_n will_v therefore_o say_v that_o the_o substance_n of_o parochial_a church_n shall_v be_v therein_o change_v if_o praejudice_n can_v be_v set_v apart_o the_o shallowness_n of_o this_o &_o the_o former_a reason_n can_v not_o be_v hide_v from_o the_o eye_n of_o he_o that_o frame_v they_o to_o a_o main_a objection_n by_o mr._n r._n urge_v viz_o 9_o that_o all_o parochial_a minister_n be_v subject_a unto_o the_o spiritual_a jurisdiction_n of_o prelate_n answer_n be_v give_v first_o that_o so_o be_v private_a christian_n subject_n unto_o the_o same_o jurisdictâ—â—_n not_o only_o in_o their_o church_n action_n which_o they_o perform_v with_o other_o in_o public_a but_o also_o for_o personal_a &_o private_a opinion_n &_o behaviour_n this_o subjection_n therefore_o do_v no_o more_o hinder_a communion_n with_o the_o one_o then_o with_o the_o other_o in_o thing_n that_o be_v good_a to_o which_o answer_n mr._n r._n reply_v nothing_o but_o refer_v unto_o his_o former_a book_n where_o as_o good_a as_o nothing_o be_v to_o be_v find_v if_o there_o have_v be_v a_o fit_a answer_n to_o be_v give_v we_o shall_v certain_o either_o have_v have_v it_o repeat_v here_o for_o of_o repetition_n mr._n r._n be_v not_o so_o nice_a or_o at_o least_o the_o page_n quote_v where_o we_o may_v have_v find_v it_o but_o in_o deed_n it_o be_v not_o possible_a but_o if_o mere_a subjection_n to_o bishop_n be_v in_o itself_o a_o sufficient_a bar_n against_o public_a communion_n it_o must_v also_o be_v hold_v sufficient_a against_o such_o private_a in_o &_o for_o which_o a_o man_n be_v also_o subject_a the_o second_o answer_n unto_o the_o forename_a objection_n be_v that_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o prelate_n jurisdiction_n be_v from_o the_o king_n derive_v unto_o those_o that_o do_v exercise_v the_o same_o and_o therefore_o must_v of_o necessity_n be_v a_o civil_a power_n such_o as_o the_o king_n may_v as_o well_o perform_v by_o other_o civil_a officer_n as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o high_a commission_n the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n do_v so_o esteem_v it_o etc._n etc._n in_o this_o mr._n r._n insist_v much_o as_o think_v no_o small_a advantage_n to_o be_v give_v he_o &_o therefore_o require_v of_o the_o reader_n well_o to_o observe_v what_o here_o be_v say_v on_o both_o side_n in_o which_o request_n i_o ioigne_v with_o he_o so_o that_o it_o be_v mark_v withal_o that_o i_o do_v not_o undertake_v to_o justify_v the_o bishops_n whole_a state_n much_o less_o their_o proceed_n but_o only_o so_o far_o that_o some_o subjection_n unto_o some_o of_o their_o authority_n be_v not_o simple_o unlawful_a mr._n r._n plea_n after_o his_o preamble_n arise_v unto_o these_o 3_o defence_n 1._o the_o law_n do_v no_o where_o derive_v from_o the_o king_n civil_a authority_n the_o power_n of_o the_o bishop_n spiritual_a administration_n but_o do_v only_o make_v the_o king_n a_o establisher_n &_o up_o holder_n civil_o of_o this_o power_n 2._o though_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n do_v esteem_v this_o jurisdiction_n civil_a yet_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o therefore_o it_o be_v such_o in_o deed_n because_o they_o misesteeme_v diverse_a thing_n 3._o that_o the_o prelate_n jurisdiction_n be_v not_o civil_a as_o appear_v plain_o by_o 5_o reason_n of_o he_o allege_v for_o the_o first_o of_o these_o i_o appeal_v 1._o to_o the_o oath_n of_o the_o clergy_n to_o the_o king_n establish_v by_o a_o statut_fw-la law_n in_o the_o reign_n of_o king_n henry_n 8._o exstant_fw-la in_o mr._n fox_n p._n 961._o where_o the_o bishop_n swear_v that_o he_o knowledge_v himself_o to_o hold_v his_o bishopric_n of_o the_o king_n only_o 2._o to_o the_o act_n that_o be_v then_o make_v for_o the_o supremacy_n wherein_o all_o jurisdiction_n belong_v to_o the_o title_n of_o head_n of_o the_o church_n in_o england_n be_v give_v to_o the_o king_n as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o same_o book_n p._n 963.3_o i_o appeal_v to_o the_o 5._o book_n of_o sir_n edward_n cook_n report_n where_o he_o show_v out_o of_o