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over_o they_o etc._n etc._n and._n t._n c._n in_o his_o reply_n pag._n 35._o write_v on_o this_o miast_n pag._n 5._o in_o the_o miast_n manner_n say_v that_o the_o godly_a magistrate_n be_v the_o head_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n but_o not_o of_o the_o church_n mean_v that_o particular_a church_n contain_v in_o the_o common_a wealth_n whereof_o he_o be_v governor_n and_o in_o the_o same_o page_n he_o say_v that_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n be_v but_o only_o a_o member_n of_o that_o particular_a church_n and_o pag_n 145._o he_o say_v that_o the_o prince_n may_v well_o be_v 1._o pag._n 〈◊〉_d say_fw-la 1._o monarch_n immediate_o between_o god_n and_o the_o common_a wealth_n and_o not_o between_o god_n &_o the_o church_n in_o that_o common_a wealth_n or_o any_o singular_a member_n in_o the_o church_n and_o in_o this_o place_n he_o will_v have_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n no_o more_o to_o intermeddle_v with_o make_v ecclesiastical_a law_n and_o order_n than_o the_o ecclesiastical_a minister_n shall_v deal_v with_o civil_a diverse_a such_o nip_v and_o pinch_v he_o have_v at_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n speak_v no_o other_o wise_n of_o he_o than_o of_o a_o turk_n or_o a_o jew_n and_o give_v he_o no_o more_o authority_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o over_o christian_n than_o if_o he_o be_v the_o great_a turk_n or_o wicked_a nero._n but_o i_o answer_v they_o both_o with_o the_o word_n of_o m._n musculus_fw-la in_o his_o common_a place_n titu_fw-la de_fw-fr magistratu_fw-la let_v ethnic_n and_o infidel_n which_o live_v not_o in_o the_o unity_n of_o truth_n but_o in_o the_o confusion_n of_o error_n have_v their_o diverse_a law_n musculus_fw-la musculus_fw-la and_o magistrate_n some_o profane_a and_o some_o holy_a who_o whole_a life_n be_v profane_a who_o religion_n be_v but_o ecclesiastical_a superstition_n and_o in_o the_o temple_n only_o christian_n people_n be_v altogether_o holy_fw-mi and_o dedicate_v to_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n not_o in_o temple_n only_o and_o ecclesiastical_a rite_n but_o in_o their_o whole_a life_n in_o every_o place_n at_o all_o time_n in_o all_o thing_n in_o all_o deed_n and_o study_n that_o according_a to_o the_o admonition_n of_o the_o apostle_n 1._o cor._n 10._o whether_o he_o eat_v or_o drink_v or_o whatsoever_o he_o do_v all_o may_v be_v do_v to_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o col._n 3._o whatsoever_o he_o do_v in_o word_n or_o in_o deed_n he_o do_v it_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n etc._n etc._n wherefore_o that_o distinction_n of_o ecclesiastical_a &_o profane_a law_n have_v no_o place_n in_o it_o because_o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o it_o that_o be_v profane_a see_v it_o be_v a_o people_n holy_a to_o the_o lord_n god_n and_o the_o magistrate_n be_v holy_a and_o not_o profane_a his_o authority_n be_v holy_a his_o law_n be_v holy_a his_o sword_n be_v holy_a a_o revenger_n of_o the_o wicked_a and_o ungodly_a whereby_o he_o serve_v the_o lord_n be_v the_o chief_a lawmaker_n and_o judge_v our_o 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ecclesiastical_a matter_n for_o so_o write_v saunders_n in_o his_o book_n before_o name_v fol._n 64._o although_o i_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o the_o knowledge_n of_o a_o saunders_n saunders_n fact_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a law_n may_v be_v commit_v to_o king_n and_o magistrate_n and_o before_o the_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n be_v determine_v the_o king_n may_v use_v his_o authority_n to_o this_o end_n that_o there_o may_v be_v some_o quiet_a place_n prepare_v where_o the_o bishop_n shall_v consult_v and_o that_o the_o bishop_n be_v call_v to_o the_o same_o place_n at_o a_o certain_a day_n and_o that_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n while_o the_o matter_n be_v in_o determine_v common_a peace_n may_v be_v preserve_v even_o among_o the_o priest_n themselves_o to_o conclude_v after_o the_o cause_n be_v determine_v and_o judge_v by_o the_o priest_n the_o king_n may_v punish_v he_o with_o the_o sword_n which_o he_o carry_v not_o in_o vain_a or_o by_o some_o other_o 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it_o as_o you_o do_v now_o in_o this_o fond_a platform_n will_v they_o not_o cry_v out_o upon_o the_o magistrate_n &_o say_v that_o he_o be_v a_o persecutor_n a_o maintainer_n of_o a_o unlawful_a authority_n &_o of_o that_o which_o be_v against_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n if_o he_o withstand_v they_o as_o the_o author_n of_o the_o second_o admonition_n do_v in_o plain_a term_n say_v for_o though_o the_o order_n be_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v draw_v out_o of_o the_o book_n of_o god_n yet_o it_o be_v her_o majesty_n that_o by_o her_o princely_a 60._o 2._o admonit_fw-la pag._n 60._o authority_n shall_v see_v every_o of_o these_o thing_n put_v in_o practice_n and_o punyshe_v those_o that_o neglect_v they_o make_v law_n therefore_o for_o the_o church_n may_v keep_v those_o order_n but_o never_o in_o peace_n except_o the_o comfortable_a and_o bless_a assistance_n of_o the_o state_n and_o governor_n imcke_v in_o to_o see_v they_o in_o their_o country_n and_o use_v for_o otherwise_o the_o 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an_o other_o reason_n you_o frame_v on_o this_o sort_n if_o the_o minister_n have_v both_o civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a power_n ▪_o man_n shall_v not_o be_v able_a to_o judge_v in_o their_o conscience_n of_o the_o mighty_a operation_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n in_o they_o for_o they_o may_v doubt_v whether_o the_o fear_n of_o the_o outward_a show_n of_o the_o minister_n carry_v ecclesiastical_a the_o replier_n argument_n sinit_v as_o well_o at_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d magistrate_n as_o at_o the_o ecclesiastical_a some_o stroke_n with_o they_o etc._n etc._n this_o be_v as_o vain_a a_o imagination_n as_o be_v the_o other_o and_o they_o both_o may_v as_o apt_o be_v apply_v against_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n as_o against_o the_o civil_a jurisdiction_n of_o the_o minister_n yea_o in_o deed_n they_o serve_v to_o the_o overthrow_n of_o all_o kind_n of_o civil_a punishment_n for_o if_o the_o magistrate_n make_v sharp_a law_n for_o come_v to_o the_o church_n hear_v the_o word_n of_o god_n contemn_v religion_n and_o such_o like_a man_n that_o by_o such_o mean_n be_v drive_v to_o hear_v the_o word_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n &_o so_o at_o the_o length_n convert_v may_v doubt_v whether_o the_o word_n have_v wrought_v this_o in_o they_o or_o the_o fear_n of_o outward_a punishment_n do_v you_o not_o mark_v how_o he_o still_o smite_v at_o the_o magistrate_n percy_n te_fw-la you_o not_o how_o near_o he_o approach_v to_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o anabaptiste_n who_o will_v have_v no_o kind_n of_o discipline_n in_o the_o church_n but_o only_a excommunication_n salvation_n god_n use_v corporal_a punishment_n as_o a_o mean_n to_o salvation_n but_o to_o answer_v you_o brief_o god_n use_v corporal_a punishment_n as_o a_o mean_n to_o drive_v ▪_o even_o the_o elect_a to_o the_o hear_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n &_o to_o honesty_n of_o life_n he_o use_v it_o also_o to_o bridle_v the_o wicked_a that_o by_o their_o example_n other_o man_n may_v learn_v to_o beware_v and_o that_o they_o themselves_o also_o may_v be_v keep_v in_o order_n and_o no_o man_n that_o be_v true_o convert_v by_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n can_v doubt_v but_o that_o god_n by_o the_o work_n of_o his_o spirit_n through_o the_o ministry_n of_o his_o word_n have_v wrought_v that_o good_a in_o he_o though_o by_o external_a mean_n as_o fear_n of_o punishment_n and_o such_o like_a he_o be_v first_o as_o it_o be_v enforce_v to_o hear_v the_o word_n and_o to_o keep_v himself_o in_o order_n in_o deed_n if_o these_o reason_n of_o you_o be_v of_o any_o force_n the_o magistrate_n may_v put_v up_o his_o sword_n especial_o in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n and_o so_o may_v the_o minister_n lie_v aside_o his_o authority_n also_o lest_o any_o thing_n be_v ascribe_v there_o unto_o your_o glance_n that_o this_o be_v also_o the_o policy_n of_o the_o idolater_n though_o you_o have_v not_o where_o prove_v it_o yet_o have_v i_o answer_v it_o before_o chap._n 3._o the._n 5._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o sect._n ult._n but_o m._n doctor_n say_v that_o civil_a office_n be_v not_o to_o be_v count_v worldly_a affair_n but_o heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a ▪_o it_o be_v so_o and_o yet_o when_o they_o be_v compare_v with_o the_o ecclesiastical_a office_n they_o may_v be_v call_v secular_a office_n for_o so_o much_o as_o they_o to_o gether_o with_o the_o care_n of_o religion_n procure_v and_o provide_v for_o the_o thing_n whereby_o we_o may_v quiet_o and_o commodious_o live_v here_o where_o the_o ecclesiastical_a office_n be_v immediate_o and_o only_o bend_v to_o procure_v the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o the_o salvation_n of_o man_n and_o in_o that_o signification_n of_o heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a which_o you_o take_v merchandise_n husbandry_n and_o the_o handycrafte_n be_v heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a although_o not_o in_o the_o same_o degree_n all_o lawful_a calling_n come_v from_o god_n and_o return_v to_o he_o again_o that_o be_v he_o be_v both_o author_n of_o they_o and_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v refer_v to_o his_o glory_n so_o that_o if_o the_o minister_n may_v exercise_v all_o thing_n which_o be_v heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a you_o may_v as_o well_o bring_v he_o down_o to_o the_o plough_n as_o promote_v he_o to_o the_o court_n io._n whitgifte_n i_o call_v they_o ecclesiastical_a because_o they_o perteyne_a to_o the_o inward_a man_n to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a the_o cluill_a jurisdiction_n now_o use_v be_v in_o some_o respect_n ecclesiastical_a reformation_n of_o manner_n to_o the_o punishment_n of_o sin_n to_o the_o maintenance_n of_o religion_n to_o the_o quietness_n of_o the_o church_n and_o good_a order_n in_o the_o same_o so_o do_v not_o all_o cyvill_a office_n much_o less_o husbandry_n merchandise_n handycrafte_n go_v to_o the_o plough_n and_o such_o like_a which_o only_o perteyne_a to_o the_o body_n and_o to_o this_o life_n not_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o end_n that_o i_o have_v before_o name_v wherefore_o here_o your_o wit_n fail_v you_o and_o i_o look_v for_o a_o better_a answer_n chap._n 3._o the._n 6._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 170._o lin._n 6._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d m._n doctor_n say_v that_o the_o office_n of_o a_o commissioner_n be_v ecclesiastical_a because_o it_o handle_v ecclesiastical_a cause_n i_o marvel_v that_o he_o be_v so_o ignorant_a that_o he_o can_v not_o put_v a_o difference_n between_o give_v iudiciail_n sentence_n and_o appoint_v bodily_a punishment_n which_o be_v mere_a civil_a and_o between_o the_o understanding_n the_o truth_n of_o every_o such_o cause_n according_a as_o the_o word_n of_o god_n define_v of_o it_o which_o be_v a_o thing_n common_a as_o well_o unto_o the_o magistrate_n as_o unto_o the_o minister_n &_o wherein_o the_o minister_n because_o he_o ought_v to_o be_v most_o ready_a ought_v if_o need_v be_v consult_v with_o io._n whitgifte_n sure_o i_o think_v you_o scarce_o understande_v yourself_o for_o if_o the_o cause_n be_v ecclesiastical_a why_o may_v not_o the_o punishment_n by_o 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increase_v but_o these_o thing_n be_v not_o the_o substantia_fw-la sacramenti_fw-la and_o therefore_o not_o sufficient_a to_o prove_v that_o the_o supper_n be_v not_o sincere_o minister_v m._n bucer_n likewise_o in_o his_o censure_n upon_o the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n be_v of_o the_o same_o judgement_n his_o word_n be_v these_o the_o third_o chapter_n opinion_n m._n bucers_n opinion_n be_v of_o the_o substance_n form_n and_o break_v of_o bread_n which_o all_o do_v well_o enough_o agree_v with_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n who_o it_o be_v manifest_a to_o have_v use_v unleven_v bread_n and_o easy_a to_o be_v break_v for_o he_o break_v it_o and_o give_v to_o his_o disciple_n piece_n of_o the_o bread_n break_v touch_v the_o form_n and_o figure_n whether_o it_o be_v round_o or_o square_n there_o be_v nothing_o declare_v of_o the_o evangelist_n and_o because_o this_o bread_n be_v use_v only_o for_o a_o sign_n and_o not_o for_o corporal_a nourishement_fw-mi i_o see_v not_o what_o 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mean_v in_o the_o second_o book_n of_o king_n edward_n to_o mislike_v water_n cake_n and_o to_o change_v they_o into_o common_a bread_n howsoever_o it_o be_v that_o circumstance_n will_v be_v well_o mark_v that_o it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o talk_v of_o a_o water_n cake_n in_o the_o use_n of_o y_fw-fr e_o supper_n in_o king_n edward_n day_n before_o they_o be_v just_o abolish_v and_o another_o thing_n now_o be_v revoke_v after_o they_o be_v reniove_v io._n whitgifte_n i_o be_o constant_a and_o agree_v with_o myself_o in_o the_o truth_n i_o thank_v god_n for_o it_o i_o know_v the_o kind_n of_o bread_n to_o be_v indifferent_n my_o private_a judgement_n i_o have_v in_o my_o answer_n utter_v but_o in_o such_o matter_n i_o submit_v myself_o to_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o church_n to_o who_o god_n do_v give_v his_o spirit_n most_o abundant_o so_o long_o as_o it_o follow_v and_o embrace_v the_o truth_n the_o danger_n that_o you_o speak_v of_o be_v in_o the_o form_n and_o figure_n of_o the_o bread_n not_o in_o the_o other_o quality_n nor_o in_o the_o substance_n and_o therefore_o not_o perteyn_a to_o any_o thing_n that_o i_o have_v speak_v for_o the_o question_n be_v of_o leaven_a or_o unleavened_a bread_n not_o of_o roundness_n or_o squarenesse_n etc._n etc._n although_o the_o form_n and_o figure_n also_o be_v indifferente_a and_o in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n to_o appoint_v wherefore_o there_o may_v no_o schism_n or_o division_n in_o the_o church_n be_v make_v for_o it_o m._n bucers_n censure_n be_v upon_o the_o first_o book_n in_o king_n edward_n time_n not_o upon_o day_n bucers_n censure_n upon_o the_o first_o book_n 〈◊〉_d king_n edward_n day_n the_o second_o therefore_o you_o be_v deceive_v the_o church_n have_v authority_n in_o thing_n indifferent_a to_o abolish_v or_o revoke_v as_o occasion_n serve_v and_o therefore_o that_o circumstance_n be_v not_o worth_a the_o note_n chap._n 1._o the._n 7._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 131._o sect._n 1_o beside_o that_o we_o be_v call_v by_o the_o example_n of_o our_o sa_fw-fr ionce_n christ_n to_o use_v the_o supper_n usual_a and_o common_a bread_n for_o what_o time_n our_o savioure_n christ_n celebrate_v his_o supper_n there_o be_v no_o other_o bread_n to_o be_v get_v but_o unleavened_a bread_n there_o be_v astraight_o charge_v give_v by_o the_o law_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v then_o not_o leaven_a bread_n and_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o that_o if_o there_o have_v in_o then_o when_o he_o celebrate_v his_o supper_n as_o at_o other_o time_n nothing_o but_o leaven_a bread_n he_o will_v not_o have_v cause_v unleavened_a bread_n to_o have_v be_v make_v for_o that_o purpose_n of_o celebrate_v his_o supper_n io._n whitgifte_n it_o be_v not_o usual_a bread_n but_o proper_o appoint_v for_o the_o celebrate_n of_o the_o passover_n bread_n christ_n use_v unleven_v bread_n and_o then_o to_o be_v use_v and_o not_o otherwise_o usual_o and_o common_o for_o their_o usual_a and_o common_a bread_n be_v leaven_a wherefore_o this_o make_v against_o you_o and_o if_o you_o will_v have_v the_o commandment_n that_o appertethe_v to_o the_o eat_n of_o the_o passover_n perpetual_a 2_o pa._n 130._o sect._n 2_o and_o to_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o celebrate_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n as_o by_o that_o precept_n 2._o chro._n 35._o before_o allege_v it_o seem_v you_o will_v then_o must_v we_o make_v it_o a_o matter_n of_o necessity_n to_o have_v unleavened_a bread_n but_o as_o that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d so_o be_v this_o also_o for_o the_o kind_n of_o bread_n be_v indifferent_a although_o as_o m._n bucer_n say_v it_o come_v near_a to_o the_o institution_n indifferent_a the_o kind_n of_o bread_n of_o itself_o indifferent_a of_o christ_n to_o use_v unle_fw-mi vened_a bread_n b_o cause_n he_o do_v celebrate_v his_o supper_n with_o it_o if_o there_o be_v not_o other_o circumstance_n and_o reason_n to_o move_v the_o church_n sometime_o to_o use_v the_o contrary_n chap._n 1._o the._n 8._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 131._o sect._n but_o this_o be_v a_o gross_a oversight_n of_o m._n doctor_n both_o 〈◊〉_d this_o section_n and_o that_o which_o go_v 〈◊〉_d fore_n that_o he_o have_v not_o learned_a to_o make_v a_o difference_n between_o that_o which_o be_v not_o ncere_o do_v &_o that_o which_o be_v not_o at_o all_o do_v for_o in_o the_o former_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d upon_o the_o admonition_n because_o they_o conclude_v that_o for_o as_o much_o as_o there_o be_v no_o examination_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d and_o sincere_o minister_v for_o say_v he_o the_o examination_n of_o the_o communicantes_fw-la be_v not_o of_o the_o jubstaunce_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o in_o this_o section_n he_o say_v that_o for_o as_o much_o as_o it_o be_v not_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o sacrament_n whether_o there_o be_v leaven_a or_o unleavened_a bread_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_o prove_v that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v not_o sincere_o minister_v but_o he_o ought_v to_o have_v understand_v that_o if_o either_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o sacrament_n as_o bread_n and_o wine_n or_o the_o form_n of_o it_o which_o be_v the_o institution_n which_o thing_n be_v only_o substantial_a part_n be_v want_v that_o then_o there_o shall_v have_v be_v no_o sacrament_n minister_v at_o all_o but_o they_o be_v retain_v and_o yet_o other_o thing_n use_v which_o be_v not_o convenient_a the_o sacrament_n be_v minister_v but_o not_o sincere_o for_o example_n in_o the_o popish_a baptism_n there_o be_v the_o substance_n of_o baptism_n but_o there_o be_v use_v spittle_n and_o cream_n and_o candle_n and_o such_o beggarly_a trumpery_n it_o be_v not_o sincere_o minister_v therefore_o it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o minister_v sincere_o and_o another_o thing_n to_o minister_v so_o that_o that_o which_o be_v of_o
offend_a neither_o do_v the_o priest_n or_o prophet_n thrust_v themselves_o into_o that_o business_n but_o so_o far_o forth_o as_o perteyn_v to_o admonition_n and_o reprehension_n which_o they_o apply_v out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n according_a to_o the_o quality_n of_o the_o offence_n therefore_o the_o same_o must_v be_v observe_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n neither_o be_v it_o needful_a that_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n shall_v have_v a_o peculiar_a senate_n or_o that_o they_o shall_v challenge_v unto_o themselves_o by_o any_o mean_v those_o thing_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n m._n gualters_n meaning_n be_v that_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n can_v challenge_v the_o authority_n of_o pu_fw-fr sh_v vice_n otherwise_o than_o by_o admonition_n and_o reprehension_n that_o be_v that_o they_o can_v challenge_v this_o kind_n of_o government_n of_o a_o signiory_n by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n because_o all_o such_o authority_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n so_o that_o if_o bishop_n have_v it_o they_o must_v have_v it_o from_o he_o as_o it_o be_v in_o this_o church_n of_o england_n and_o therefore_o well_o say_v m_n gualther_n in_o the_o same_o place_n there_o may_v be_v appoint_v such_o as_o shall_v have_v the_o correction_n of_o manner_n in_o such_o country_n where_o the_o ordinary_a magistrate_n can_v do_v all_o themselves_o but_o those_o must_v be_v appoint_v by_o the_o magistrate_n and_o do_v all_o at_o his_o commandment_n and_o not_o usurp_v any_o distinct_a jurisdiction_n from_o the_o ordinary_a magistrate_n the_o second_o point_n to_o be_v note_v be_v when_o he_o say_v that_o christian_a prince_n must_v subject_n replyer_n the_o prince_n make_v subject_a to_o senior_n by_o the_o replyer_n themselves_o to_o the_o church_n submit_v their_o sceptre_n throw_v down_o their_o crown_n before_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n the_o which_o kind_n of_o speech_n the_o pope_n himself_o use_v and_o under_o the_o same_o pretence_n have_v tread_v king_n under_o his_o foot_n and_o although_o t._n c._n seem_v to_o mislike_v this_o excessive_a use_v of_o authority_n by_o the_o pope_n yet_o will_v be_v have_v the_o same_o jurisdiction_n to_o remain_v to_o his_o senior_n his_o ill_a who_o be_v understand_v by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n as_o appear_v in_o that_o which_o he_o speak_v before_o of_o these_o word_n of_o christ_n dic_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la so_o end_n pag._n 140._o in_o the_o latter_a end_n that_o he_o will_v have_v the_o prince_n subject_n herself_o to_o the_o senior_n of_o the_o church_n and_o throw_v down_o her_o crown_n before_o they_o that_o be_v to_o be_v con_fw-mi ent_v to_o be_v rule_v and_o govern_v to_o be_v punish_v and_o correct_v to_o be_v excommunicate_v and_o absolve_v by_o their_o discretion_n and_o at_o their_o pleasure_n this_o no_o doubt_n be_v his_o meaning_n neither_o can_v it_o otherwise_o be_v for_o if_o this_o kind_n of_o government_n be_v once_o admit_v the_o prince_n must_v needs_o be_v of_o some_o peculiar_a church_n and_o congregation_n and_o therefore_o subject_a to_o the_o signiory_n of_o that_o church_n except_o it_o please_v master_n pastor_n who_o be_v the_o chief_a and_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o neighbour_n the_o parishioner_n to_o elect_v the_o prince_n into_o the_o signiory_n and_o make_v he_o one_o of_o they_o and_o yet_o must_v the_o pastor_n be_v his_o superior_a and_o have_v authority_n to_o call_v he_o to_o consultation_n and_o to_o direct_v he_o in_o matter_n of_o discipline_n and_o whether_o he_o will_v or_o no_o he_o must_v be_v order_v and_o rule_v by_o the_o pastor_n and_o most_o part_n of_o the_o senior_n and_o yet_o now_o i_o remember_v myself_o the_o prince_n can_v be_v of_o the_o signiory_n for_o t._n c._n all_o ttle_o 1._o pa._n 146._o sect_n 1._o after_o grant_v that_o his_o senior_n be_v not_o lay_v man_n but_o ecclesiastic_a will_v so_o that_o indeed_o the_o prince_n must_v be_v a_o servant_n no_o master_n a_o subject_n no_o prince_n under_o government_n no_o governoure_n in_o matter_n perteyn_a to_o the_o church_n and_o lest_o any_o man_n shall_v think_v that_o this_o be_v but_o my_o collection_n though_o it_o be_v most_o gualther_n gualther_n true_a and_o i_o will_v justify_v it_o so_o to_o be_v i_o have_v she_o wed_v before_o that_o which_o m._n gualther_n affirm_v upon_o the._n 1._o cor._n 5._o as_o he_o also_o do_v upon_o the._n 12._o chapter_n of_o the_o same_o epistle_n say_v there_o be_v some_o which_o according_a to_o the_o example_n of_o the_o old_a and_o primitive_a church_n will_v have_v senior_n and_o a_o ecclesiastical_a senate_n that_o shall_v have_v authority_n over_o magistrate_n if_o they_o at_o any_o time_n do_v not_o their_o duty_n and_o in_o deed_n this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o chief_a cause_n why_o our_o man_n will_v so_o glad_o have_v a_o signiory_n for_o they_o will_v glad_o be_v in_o hand_n with_o magistrate_n to_o make_v they_o stoop_v and_o bow_v down_o unto_o they_o the_o three_o point_n be_v in_o this_o that_o he_o will_v have_v the_o government_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n monarchte_n the_o replyer_n seek_v the_o verthrow_n of_o monarchte_n and_o the_o common_a wealth_n itself_o frame_v to_o the_o church_n and_o the_o government_n thereof_o as_o the_o hang_n be_v make_v fit_a for_o the_o house_n whereby_o as_o it_o may_v seem_v he_o will_v have_v all_o monarchy_n overthrow_v and_o reduce_v either_o to_o a_o popular_a or_o a_o aristocratical_a estate_n for_o these_o two_o kind_n of_o government_n he_o only_o allow_v of_o in_o the_o church_n as_o it_o appear_v by_o that_o which_o he_o have_v thereof_o oltener_n than_o once_o or_o twice_o speak_v before_o now_o the_o law_n of_o man_n will_v bear_v this_o i_o know_v not_o but_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v the_o 〈◊〉_d christ_n &_o the_o gospel_n o_o enin_n les_fw-fr so_o 〈◊〉_d law_n of_o god_n will_v not_o suffer_v it_o for_o christ_n come_v not_o to_o overthrow_v kind_n of_o government_n and_o 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lord_n take_v from_o moses_n be_v so_o wise_a and_o godly_a a_o man_n the_o priesthood_n and_o give_v it_o to_o aaron_n and_o to_o his_o successor_n and_o so_o for_o so_o much_o as_o when_o the_o lord_n will_v polish_a his_o church_n &_o make_v it_o famous_a &_o renoun_n ed_z in_o the_o world_n he_o give_v this_o order_n it_o appear_v that_o he_o will_v have_v this_o to_o be_v a_o perpetual_a rule_n unto_o his_o church_n and_o by_o so_o much_o it_o be_v the_o clear_a for_o that_o the_o lord_n do_v not_o tarry_v until_o moses_n death_n but_o take_v the_o priesthood_n away_o from_o moses_n which_o be_v a_o man_n as_o able_a to_o execute_v both_o as_o either_o elye_a or_o samuel_n io._n whitgifte_n it_o be_v not_o certain_a whether_o moses_n be_v ever_o priest_n or_o no_o for_o where_o it_o be_v say_v priest_n it_o be_v doubtful_a whether_o moses_n be_v priest_n in_o the._n 99_o bsalme_n moses_n &_o aaron_n in_o sacerdotibus_fw-la eius_fw-la the_o hebrew_n word_n be_v doubtful_a and_o 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authority_n in_o govern_v the_o church_n and_o in_o prescribe_v to_o aaron_n what_o he_o shall_v do_v even_o in_o matter_n perteyn_a to_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n so_o that_o these_o two_o office_n i_o mean_v civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a be_v not_o so_o distinct_a but_o that_o they_o may_v both_o apt_o &_o well_o meet_v &_o join_v together_o further_o more_o one_o civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a office_n meet_v in_o one_o you_o know_v that_o howsoever_o the_o priesthood_n &_o civil_a magistracy_n be_v divide_v in_o moses_n and_o aaron_n yet_o meet_v they_o both_o together_o again_o not_o only_o in_o elye_a &_o samuel_n but_o in_o es_fw-ge ras_n nehemias_n mattathias_n and_o some_o other_o which_o example_n prove_v that_o upon_o occasion_n these_o office_n may_v meet_v together_o in_o one_o person_n &_o they_o quite_o overthrow_v your_o allegation_n of_o moses_n chap._n 3._o the._n 9_o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 170._o sect._n 1_o and_o this_o may_v be_v also_o easy_o see_v for_o 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and_o controversy_n t._n c._n confess_v the_o ground_n of_o all_o these_o controversy_n that_o which_o be_v in_o deed_n the_o whole_a ground_n of_o the_o chief_a matter_n in_o controversy_n that_o be_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n may_v be_v diverse_a according_a to_o the_o diversity_n of_o the_o time_n and_o state_n of_o the_o same_o as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n it_o may_v be_v otherwise_o govern_v than_o in_o time_n of_o peace_n otherwise_o when_o the_o state_n be_v establish_v than_o when_o it_o be_v ruynous_a and_o in_o decay_n for_o say_v you_o in_o a_o manner_n always_o where_o there_o be_v any_o good_a and_o stay_a estate_n of_o the_o church_n these_o office_n be_v minister_v by_o several_a person_n and_o then_o meet_v and_o be_v mingle_v when_o the_o estate_n be_v very_o ruynous_a thus_o have_v you_o grant_v of_o your_o own_o accord_n that_o which_o hitherto_o you_o have_v so_o stiff_o and_o stout_o deny_v such_o be_v the_o might_n &_o force_n of_o 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that_o he_o be_v a_o minister_n ought_v to_o have_v a_o civil_a office_n but_o that_o he_o may_v have_v one_o if_o he_o be_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n thereunto_o appoint_v so_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o a_o civil_a magistrate_n ought_v to_o be_v a_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n but_o that_o he_o may_v be_v if_o he_o be_v meet_a and_o thereunto_o ordinary_o and_o lawful_o call_v and_o admit_v the_o priest_n may_v not_o take_v upon_o he_o the_o office_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n unless_o he_o be_v call_v lawful_o unto_o it_o nor_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v not_o take_v upon_o he_o the_o office_n of_o a_o priest_n unless_o he_o be_v ordinary_o thereunto_o admit_v and_o this_o be_v no_o confusion_n at_o all_o chap._n 3._o the._n 10._o division_n