externall gouermeÌ„t other outward orders to choose such as they thinke in wisedom godlinesse to bee most convenient for the state of their countrie and disposition Admonitorie Protestants by their owne doctrine ought not to bind the Church to a perpetuall goverment of prelacie of the people and hauing the consent of their godly Magistrates to that out ward forme of iurisdiction and deciding of Ecclesiasticall causes these kind of protestants I say alwayes blowing out the trumpet of obedience and crying an alarum of loyaltie to euery ordinance of man and grauelie wiselie and stoutlie demeaning them selues against all the giddy heads and fanaticall scismatikes and wrangling spirits of our age dare not I trow slip the collar nor cast of the yoke dare not push with the horne nor wince with the heele against the Gospel If so bee by the authoritie of our Christian King with the consent of his ParleameÌ„t the platforme of gouerment as hee saith deuised by some of our neighbour Churches but as we they theÌ„ selues confesse practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church might bee receiued and established to bee the best and fittest order of gouerment for the Church of Englande as well as it hath bene a long time and yet is of Scotland of most of all other Christian Churches For if it be to great a bridle of christian libertie as they say in thinges externall to cast vpon the Church of Christ a perpetuall commandement if the church haue free libertie to make choise of what gouerment soeuer shee thinketh convenient then is she neither restrained at her pleasure to forsake that which by long experience she hath found to be inconvenient neither is she tied still to retaine Archiepiscopall Episcopall and Archidiaconall gouerment though for a long season the same haue bene vsed For that in deed might well and iustlie be said to be too great a bridle of christian libertie when by necessitie there is cast vpon the Church such a perpetuall regiment of prelacie as may not be remooued Wherefore if our continued prelaticall discipline whereby the libertie of the church is taken away by publike authoritie of the King and States might be discontinued and libertie graunted to the Church to vse the Apostolical discipline either our Admonitorie Protestantes must yeelde stoup and obey or else be found to be a wayward a contentious and a fromâ—ple generation And if these two former kinds of our people which the land beeing deuided into fiue partes make three at the least shall euery way be supporters of vnitie and conformitie to the Gospell and no way disturbers of the peace libertie and tranquilitie of the Church what ouerthrow or what damage may the Gospell sustaine by the other parts Yea though they should vnite linke and confederate themselues in one For are they not weaker in power poorer in purse of farre lesse reputation then the former And yet neuertheles these partes are at such deadlie feude one against the other and at such an irreconciliable enimitie betweene them selues that the case standeth now betweene them as sometimes it stood betwene Caesar and Pompey not whether of them should reigne but whether of them should liue And how then can these parts thus diuided possiblie agree together against the other partes so surelie combined Besides the first sort of these two sorts Puritane Protestants can neuer othrowe the Gospell whom it pleaseth our Protestantes the Admonishers for difference sake to dubb with the Knights Hood of Precisians or precise and puritane Protestants Why They are the onelie and principall spokes-men and petitioners for the Apostolicall Discipline required to bee planted Nay these men out of the holy Scriptures so resolutelie are perswaded of the trueth of God conteyned therein as without which they know perfectlie that the doctrine of the Gospel can neuer powerfullie florish or be enterteyned with so high a maiestie in the hearts of men as it ought to be And as The Gospel hath ouerthrown the papist therfore he can neuer ouerthrowe the Gospell for the other sort the Papistes I meane alas that poore ratt what ouerthrow can he worke to the Gospel whose bane the Gospell hath wrought so long since Alas this faynt goast is so farre spent his disease growne so desperate his sickenesse now at such an hay-now-hay as al the phisicke of all the Phisitions in the world caÌ„ not recouer his health or once take away his hed-ach This silly snake then hauing hissed out all his sting spit out all his venime vngorged him self of all his poyson how can his skin or how should his tayle anoy the Gospel If therefore it might please the Admonishers vpon a reuew of our State our countrey and our people to cast such men as be open enemies to the Gospell into squadrons causing them to march rancke by rancke troupe by troupe and deliuering vnto the King a muster roule of all the names qualities conditions of the principal popish recusants within the Realme for none but such onely can be suspected openly to bande them selues against the Gospell it is not to be doubted but the least part of all the other foure partes would bee as great in number as these And what theÌ„ should the King and state feare the multitudes of recusantes when one standing on the Kings side should be able to withstand tenne and tenne an hundreth and an huÌ„dreth a thousand and a thousand tenne thousand papistes King Asa crying vnto the Lord his God that it was nothing with him to helpe with many or with no power and resting vpon the 2 Cron. 14. Lord ouercame tenne hundreth thousand and three huÌ„dreth chariots of the Ethiopians and Labimes For the eyes of the Lord behold all the earth to shew him selfe strong with them that are of a perfect heart toward him And when King Ioash remembred not the kindnes which Iehoiada the Priest had done vnto 2 Chro 24. him but slew Zechariah his sonne the Lord deliuered the King a verie great armie into the hands of a small companie of the host of the King of Aram who gaue senteÌ„ce against the King slew all the Princes of Iudah froÌ„ among the people and caried the spoyle of them vnto Damascus And thus much concerning the Admonitors proposition viz Whatsoeuer will draw with it many and great alterations of the state of gouernment and of the lawes the same may bring rather the ouerthrow of the Gospell then the end that is desired All which speach of his I affirme to be but a vaine and trifling ridle as the vvhole strenght whereof resteth onely vppon a may bee Wherevnto if I should onelie haue spokeÌ„ thus and no more viz that manie and great alterations c. might rather not bring an ouerthrow of the Gospell c. I suppose and that vpon good ground that such may might not be might euerie way be as forcible to disproue the one as his may be
the Kings prerogative Royall be duely advanced Which things if it might please them rightly to consider then let them humblie and seriouslie beseech our Sovereine Lord the King and States in Parleament to giue their consentes to such a law as the proiect ensuing may warrant thē the same not to be dangerous to the overthrowe of their civill studies The Proiect of an Act for the explanation and amplifying of one branch of a statute made in the first yeere of the raigne of Queene Elizabeth entituled An Act restoringe to the Crowne the ancient iurisdiction over the state Ecclesiasticall and also for the declaring and reviving of a statute made in the first yere of King Edward the sixt entituled An Act what seales and stiles Bishops and other spiritual persons exercising iurisdiction ecclesiasticall shall vse FOr asmuch as by one braunch of an Act made in the first yeere of our late Soveraigne Ladie of blessed memorie Queene Elizabeth entituled an Act restoring to the Crowne the auncient iurisdiction over the state Ecclesiastical Spirituall and abolishing all forraigne power repugnant to the same it was established and enacted That such iurisdictions priviledges superiorities and preheminences spiritual and ecclesiasticall as by anie spirituall or ecclesiasticall power or authoritie hath heeretofore bin or may lawfully be exercised or vsed for the visitation of the Ecclesiasticall state and persons and for reformation order correction of the same and of all maner errors heresies schismes abuses offences contempts and enormities should for euer by authoritie of that present Parleament be vnited and annexed to the Imperiall Crowne of this Realme by meanes whereof it may now be made a questiō whether any Archbishops or other Ecclesiasticall persons having since that time vsed or exercised any such spirituall or ecclesiasticall iurisdiction in their owne right or names might lawfully haue done or hereafter may lawfully doe the same without speciall warrant and authoritie derived immediatly frō your Highnes by and vnder your H. letters patents And whereas also by a statute made in the first yeare of Kinge Edward the sixt entituled an act what seales and stile Bishops or other spirituall persons shall vse it was ordained that all and singular Archbishops and Bishops others exercising ecclesiastical iurisdictiō should in their processe vse the Kings name and stile and not their owne and also that their Seales should bee graved with the Kings armes And forasmuch also as it must bee highly derogatorie to the Imperiall Crowne of this your Highnesse Realme that any cause whatsoever ecclesiasticall or temporall within these your H. Dominions should be heard or adiudged without warrant or commission from your Highnes your heyres successors or not in the name stile and dignitie of your Highnes your heyres and successors or that anie seales should be annexed to anie promesse but onelie your Kinglie seale and armes May it therefore please the King at the humble supplication of his Commons to haue it enacted That the aforesaid branch of the aforesaid Act made in the first yeere of Queene Elizabeth her raigne everie part thereof may still remayne for ever be in force And to the end the true intent and meaning of the said statute made in the first yeere of King Edward the sixt may be declared and revived that likewise by the authoritie aforesaid it may be ordayned and enacted that all and singular Ecclesiastical Courts and Consistories belonging to any Archb. Bb. Suffraganes Colege Deane and Chapiter Prebendarie or to any Ecclesiasticall person or persons whatsoever and which haue heretofore bin commonly called reputed taken or knowne to bee Courts or Consistories for causes of instance or wherein any suite complaint or action betwene partie and partie for any matter or cause wherin iudgment of law civil or canon hath bin or is required shall and may for ever hereafter be reputed taken and adiudged to be Courts and iudgmentseats meerely civill secular and temporall and not hence foorth Ecclesiasticall or spirituall and as of right belonging and apperteyning to the Royall Crowne and dignitie of our Soveraigne Lorde Kinge Iames that nowe is his heyres and successors for ever And that all causes of instance and controversies betwene partie partie at this day determinable in any of the said Courts heretofore taken and reputed ecclesiasticall shall for ever hereafter bee taken reputed and adiudged to be causes meerely civill secular and temporall as in trueth they ought to be and of right are belonging and appertayning to the iurisdiction of the Imperiall Crowne of this Realme And further that your H. liege people may be the better kept in awe by some authorised to be your H. Officers Ministers to execute iustice in your Highnes name and vnder your H. stile and title of King of England Scotlād Frāce and Ireland defendor of the faith c. in the said Courtes and Constories and in the said causes and controversies Bee it therefore enacted by the authoritie aforesaid That all the right title and interest of in and to the said Courts and Consistories and in and to the causes controversies aforesaide by any power iurisdiction or authoritie heretofore reputed Ecclesiasticall but by this Act adiudged civill secular and temporall shall for ever hereafter actually and reallie be invested and appropried in and to the Royall person of our Soveraigne Lord the King that now is his heyres successors Kinges and Queenes of this Realme And that it shall and may bee lawfull to and for our saide Soveraigne Lord and King his heyres and successors in all and everie Shire and Shires Diocesse and Diocesses within his H. Dominions and Countries by his and their letters patents vnder the great Seale of England from tyme to tyme and at all tymes to nominat and appoint one or moe able and sufficient Doctor or Doctors learned in the civill law to be his and their civil secular and temporal Officer and Officers Minister and Ministers of Iustice in the same civill secular and temporall Courts Consistories which in and ouer his and their royall name stile and dignitie shall as Iudge and Iudges doe perform execute all and every such act and acts thing and things whatsoeuer in and about the execution of iustice and equitie in those Courts according to the course and order of the civill lawe or the Ecclesiasticall canons and constitutions of the Realme as heretofore hath bin vsed and accustomed to bee done by for or in the name of any Archbb. Bb College Cathedral Church Deane Archdeacon Prebendary or any other Ecclesiasticall person or persons whatsoeuer And that all and every such civill secular and temporall Officer and Officers Minister and Ministers Iudge Iudges in his and their processe shall vse one manner of Seale only and none other hauing graued decently therein your Kingly armes with certaine characters for the knowledge of the Diocesse or Shire And further bee it enacted c That it shall and may be lawfull by
the authoritie aforesaide for our said Soveraigne L. the King his heyres and succerssors from tyme to tyme and at all tymes to nominat and appoint by his and their Highnes letters patents vndee the great Seale of England for euerie Shire and Shires Diocesse and Diocesses within his or their H. Dominions one or moe able sufficient persons learned in the civill lawe to be his and their Notarie and Notaries Register and Registers by him them selues or by his or their lawfull Deputie or Deputies to doe performe and execute all and euery such act acts thing and things as heretofore in the Courts and Consistories Ecclesiasticall aforesaid hath bin and now are incident and apperteyning to the office of any Register or Notarie And further at the humble suite of the Commons c. it may please the King to haue it enacted That all singular matters of Wills Testaments with all and everie their appendices that all and singular matters of Spousalls Mariages with their accessories that all and singular matters of diffamation heereto fore determinable in the ecclesiasticall Courtes and if there be anie other causes of the like meere civill nature shall be heard examined and determined by the said civill and secular Officers and Iudges in the said civil and secular Courtes according to the due course of the civil law or statutes of the Realme in that behalfe provided And that all matters of Tythes Dilapidations repayre of churches and if there be anie other of like nature with their accessories and appendices shal be heard examined and determined by the saido civill and secular Officers and Iudges in the said civil and secular Courtes according to the Kings ecclesiasticall lawes statutes and customes of the Realme in that behalfe heeretofore vsed or heereafter by the King and Parleament to be established And at the humble suite of the Commons may it please the King to haue it further enacted That all maner of fees heeretofore lawfull or heereafter by the King and Parleament to bee made lawfull for or concerning the probat of Willes administration of the goods of the intestat letters of tuition receyving or making of accompts inductions to Archbishoprickes Bishoprickes Dearries Parochiall-churches or other spirituall promotions and all other feees what soeuer heretofore lawfull or hereafter to be made lawful for anie travaile or paine to be taken in or about the expedition and execution of any of these causes shall for ever hereafter be fees allowances appropriated to the Iudges and principall Registers of the sayde Courtes equally to be devided betwene them as heeretofore hath bin accustomed and that the said Iudges and Ministers within their severall charges shal be Collectors of the Kings tenthes and subsidies graunted and due by the Clergie taking for their travayle and payne in and about the same collection such fees as heretofore haue bin accustomed Provided alwayes that none of the saide civill and temporall Officers and Ministers nor any of them for any offence contempt or abuse to be committed by any person or persons in any wise incident to any of the said Courts and Consistories suspend excommunicate or interdict any person or persons but shall and lawfully may by authoritie of this present Act proceed against everie offendor and offendors by such ordinarie processe out of the said Register or Notaries office as is vsed vpon a sub-pae-na out of the high Court of Chancerie and there vpon default or contempt to proceed to attachment proclamatiō of rebellion and in prisonment of the partie offending as in the said high Court of Chācerie is vsed Provided also that all appeales hereafter to be made from all and every Court and Courts in the Shyres and Diocesses of the Countrey shal be made to the higher Courtes as heretofore hath bin accustomed onely with an alteration and addition of the names stiles and dignities of Archb. Bb. and other Ordinaries vnto the name stile and dignitie of our Soveraign Lord the King his heyres and successors And that vpon the appeales so to be made it shall and may be lawfull for the Iudges Ministers of Iustice of and in the said higher Courts to make out all maner of processe and processes and to doe execute all and every act and acts thing things for the furtherance of Iustice in the causes afore said as to them shall by the law seeme equall right meete convenient any law statute privilege dispensation prescriptiō vse or customs heretofore to the contrarie in any wise notwithstanding Provided also that all and every such Iudge and Minister that shall execute any thing by vertue of this act shal from time to time obey the Kings write writs of prohibition of attachment vpon prohibition and indicavit and not to proceede contrarie to the tenour of such write or writes in such and the same maner and forme and condition as they have or ought to haue done before the making of this act any thing in this act to the contrary notwithstanding Provided also that this acte or any thing therein conteigned shal not extend or be interpreted to give any authoritie to the said Iudges Ossicers or any of them to put in execution any civill or Ecclesiasticall lawe repugnant or contrariant to the lawes statutes or customes of the Realm or hurtfull to the Kings prerogatiue Royall And thus it may seeme to bee but a small labour a litle cost and an easie matter for the Kinge his Nobles and Wise men of the Realm to devise formes of iudgement and maner of processe proceedings without any offices or functions of the canon law wherby the vse and studie of the civill lawe and the rewarde and maintenance for Civilians might be furthered and increased and not vtterly overthrowne taken away as the Admonitor vncivily beareth vs in hand As for the alteration of the censure of excommunication for contumacie mētioned in this proiect we haue the consent of the reverende Bishops in Pag. 138. this admonition that the same may bee altered For the Admonitor their Prolocutor speaketh on this wise Viz. As for Excommunication for contumacie by the Admonitors iudgement may be takē away without offence and with the good liking of the Bishops the excommunication practised in our ecclesiasticall Courts for contumacie in not appearing or not satisfying the iudgement of the Courte if it had pleased the Prince c. to have altered the same at the beginning and set some other order of processe in place thereof I am perswaded saith he that the Bishops Clergie of the Realme would haue bin very well contented therewith And speakinge of a certaine maner of civill discomoning vsed in the Church of Tigure he further addeth viz. Which or the like good order devised by some godlie persons if it might be by authoritie placed in this Church c I think it would be gladlie receaved to shun the offence that is taken at the other Admonition And matters
of Tythes Testaments and Matrimonie matters also of adulterie slander c. are in these mens iudgments mere teÌ„poral c. therefore to bee dealt in by the temporall Magistrate onely which as yet haue eyther none at all or very fewe lawes touching those things therefore the common lawe of the Realme must by that occasion receaue also a verie great alteration For it wil bee no small matter to applie these things to the temporal law to appoint Courts Officers and manner of processe and proceedings in iudgement for the same Assertion In deed we hold that all these matters whereof mention is here made and all Matters of tythes and other causes of like nature perteine to civill Iustice others of the like nature are merely civill and temporall and by the temporall Magistrate alone to bee dealt in and to be discussed if we consider the administration of externall and civill iustice And this wee thinke wil be graunted of all and not be denied of any vnlesse they be too to popishly addicted In regard whereof wee haue drawen as before is mentioned a proiect howe Courts and maner of processe and proceedinges in iudgement by Doctors of the civill law may be appointed by the King and his high Court of ParleameÌ„t without that that the common law of the Realme by the occasion of any such courts officer or maner of processe and proceedings must receave any alteration at al muchlesse a very great alteration Howbeit if it should not please the King and that the Civilians could not finde favour in his sight by courts offices and maner of processe and proceedings in iudgement before specified or by the like to have the studie of the civill law advanced yet we thinke it convenient once againe to â—owe matters of Tythes c. may be dealt in by the Kings Iudges be examined howe these matters may be dealt in according to the rules grouÌ„dâ— of the common lawe before the Kings Iudges and Iustices of the Kings bench and common pleas By a statute of 32. H. 8. c. 7. it is cleare that all tythes oblations c. and other ecclesiasticall or spirituall profits by the lawe or statutes of the Realme may bee made temporal as being admitted to be abide go to and in temporall hands laye vses and profits From the reason 〈◊〉 which statute it is cleere that those lawâ—â— likewise may be reckoned amongst 〈◊〉 for temporall lawes which by the lawâ—â— and statutes of the Realme may be executed by temporall and lay persons and which are conversant about temporall and lay causes If then the execution of the lawes touching these matters may lawfully remaine abide in the hands of Doctors of the civill law being temporall and lay persons as alreadie vnder the Bishops they doe it can not be denied but that the Kings Iudges and Iusâ—icers of both Benches may be as competible Iudges to put in execution the lawes concerning these matters as Doctors of the civill law or other lay-men be But the causes are not reputed and called temporall lay causes amongst vs. What for that if in their owne nature simply considered these causes bee meerely laye and temporall causes such causes I meane as whereof the King a â—ay civill and temporall Magistrate by his lay civill and temporal Magistracie â—erived vnto him immediatly from the holy law of God may and ought to take â—ognizaÌ„ce thervpoÌ„ either in his own Royall person or by the person of any of his inferior Officers may giue absoâ—te peremptorie iudgement If I say â—hese things be so what booteth it or that wisedom is it contend that these causes and matters have bin and are stil adiudged to be therefore ecclesiasticall no temporal causes because through an abusive speech or through a vaine and evill custome they haue bin so called and accompted in times past And what if it hath pleased the Kinges Progenitors by sufferance to tollerate the execution of such lawes as concerne these things to be in the hands power of Ecclesiasticall persons yet here vpon it followeth not that in very deede and trueth the Magistracie of the said ecclesiasticall persons was an ecclesiasticall Magistracie or that they were ecclesiasticall Magistrats but their Magistracie was and remayned still a temporall magistracie they were and aboade temporall Magistrates For not more can the qualitie of the person alter the nature of the cause then can the qualitie of the cause alter the nature of the person And if it be true that matters determinable in tymes past by a Magistracie abusivelie called ecclesiastical be notwithstandinge properlie temporaâ—â— matters and that the same Magistracie also be a temporall no spirituall Magistracie what a childish poore coÌ„ceit is it to challenge threp vpoÌ„ the teÌ„porall Magistrat that he hath none or verie few temporall lawes touching those matters And that therefore the people should not sollicit an alteratioÌ„ of abuses in Church-goverment least for want of temporall lawes the people should bee without ecclesiasticall discipline It will be no small matter saith hee to applie these things to the temporall lawe yea and so say I to But what of that The question is not how hardly these things may be applied to the temporall lawe but how small a matter it were to applie the temporall law vnto these thinges For it is not said in any law that casus ex iuribus but it is said in all lawes that The temporal law may easily be applied to causes nowe reputed ecclesiasticall ex casibus â—ura nascuntur And in deede the Phisition applieth not the disease to his phisicke but he prepareth his phisicke for the disease The husband-man he measureth not his grouÌ„d by the seed but his seed by the ground The Draper he meateth not his yarde by the cloth but his cloth by the yarde If in like maner the temporall lawes and the grounds and rules thereof were applied to these matters of tythes marriages c. whereof he speaketh what more alteration could there be of the temporall law by such an application then there is an alteration of the pluÌ„met by laying it to the stone or then there is an alteration of the rule or yard by laying them to the timber cloth Besides he that rightly and after an exact equall proportion can apply one rule or maxime of the teÌ„porall lawe to many more cases then wherevn to it hath bin vsually in former times applied he may rather be reputed an additioner then an alterer of the law But how may the temporall lawe be applied to those matters How even so and so as followeth By the statute 32. Howe Tythes may bee recouered in the Kings teÌ„porall Courts H. 8. c. 7. it is declared that tythes oblations c. and other ecclesiastical or spirituall profitts c. beinÌ„g in laye mens handes to laye vses be no more ecclesiasticall but temporall goods and profittes and that if any person were disseysed
it must with all fester infect and poyson it self All which how vnsavory and void of all sense it is I leaue to the iudgement both of the state and of the Church For who seeth not but that the state of politicke gouerment may wholy alter the state of church gouernement and not so much as alter one least iote of the politicke state of gouerment it selfe Besides since our state of politicke gouerment hath in our dayes and before our eyes repealed verie many old lawes disavowed sundry ancient customes to enterteyne and harbour the Gospell must our state of politicke gouerment no sooner now attempt to repayre certaine breaches made into the vineyarde but it must streight wayes roote vp that whiche it hath planted pull downe that which it hath builded He that diggeth about and dungeth he that spreadeth and pruâ—eth the rootâ— and branches of a tree doeth he not rather quicken then kill the roote and doth he not rather cause the boughes to sprought then the body to wither Can seuen times trying and fining of golde breed a canker in gold or may a riuer be dreyned dry by one who shutteth not but openeth the springs The body of a corpulent and diseased man the more it is purged the more ful of health it is of better constitution And howe then can it be concluded that the Gospell the life soule of the Church can laÌ„guish and giue vp the goast when the Church for the better preservatioÌ„ of her health shal receyue by some new and wholesome lawe some new and wholesome purgatiue receite Moreouer for so much as heere is mention made how the publishers of this booke did consider on the one part of things that were required to be redressed and on the other side of things required to be planted together with the state of our country people and commoÌ„ weale it is playne that their resolutioÌ„ was rather still to coÌ„tinue things amisse in the Church vnredressed then to plant the things required to be planted And alas what a resolution was that among pillers and Fathers for so they wil be counted of the church Especiallie when as the things required to be redressed were required to be redressed at the hands of the whole state of gouernment that is at the haÌ„ds of the Queene the Lords spirituall and temporall and commons in open ParliameÌ„t assembled And could any damage I pray you haue ensued to the state of gouerment to the state of the Queene to the state of our countrey people common weale lawes or to the state of the Gospell if things amisse in the Church had bene redressed and thinges wanting in the Church had bene planted by so high and supreame a power I trow not Nay seeing our country people and commoÌ„ weale not only once and twise thrise but many times haue humbly and earnestlie prayed sollicited in open ParleameÌ„t a redresse of things amisse in the church is it not most evideÌ„t that things were not considered a right but amisse by these fathers of the church and that the coÌ„siderers by keeping things vnplaÌ„ted rather aymed at their owne profit honor and dignitie theÌ„ that our countrey people and common weale should fare the better by hauing things amisse to be redressed The coÌ„siderers then being them selues parties yea such parties as by whom things were caried amisse in the Church and whose defects only were required to be redressed no marveyle I say if they vsed all kinde of artificiall advisement and coÌ„sideration to keepe things still vnplanted by the planting whereof their owne vnfatherlie miscariadges must haue bene reformed On the other side if things required to be planted might in deed be once plaÌ„ted how soeuer happelie our former Church-officers might bee some-what mal-coÌ„tented and discouraged to haue their superfluities pared and the edge of their swords abated yet is there no least cause at all for our countrey people common weale to feare any trouble or hurly burly among vs. For if the hande of God be in Iudah so that he giue the 2 Chron. 30. 12. people one heart to doe the commandment of the King and of the Rulers according to the word of the Lord and if the King the Nobles commons shall condescend agree in one and if their voyces shall be all but as the voyce of one man to allow and approoue that which doeth touch and concerne them all then shall neither the Nobles haue anie occasion to disdaine the commons nor the commons any reason to envie the Nobles Much lesse can the Nobles be at variance with the Nobles nor the commons be at defiance with the Commons For they be all of them so prudent and so prouident as that they will not bite one another least they should be deuoured one of the other And in deed why should any of our Cleargy-Maisters be so voyd of iudgement as to denie the Nobles and Commons after foure and fortie yeeres experience of a most prosperous peace weighting vpon the Gospell to be now growne so vncircumspect and simple vvitted as that a reformation of disorders to be made by their consents in others should bring forth a confusion in them selues What will they bicker one with the other will they beat and buffet one another when there is no cause of disagreement or variance betweene them For they shal be sure to loose neither libertie nor dignitie they shall endanger neither honor nor profite Our Nobles shal be tres-noble still they shal be Princes and Captaines ouer our people They shal be Deputies and Presidentes in our publicke Weale They shal be Peeres and Ancients of the Kingdome their Privileges Prerogatiues PrehemineÌ„ces stiles ensignes and titles of prowesse and honor shall not be raced defaced or diminished But they shall as they may and ought remayne and continue whole and vnviolable both to them and their posterities throughout their generations Our Iudges Iustices and Lawiers shall haue and enioy their authorities credites and reputations as in auncient times They shal be Recorders of our Cities Townes and Boroughes They shal be Stewardes of the Kings Leates and law-dayes Our Knights Esquiers and Gentlemen shall still be Burgeses in Parleaments Conservators of the Kings peace they shal be assistants to examine represse theftes rapines murders roberies riots routs such like insolencies Yea they shall be our Spokes-men and our dayes men to arbitrate and compose strifes and debates betweene neighbour and neighbour Our common people they without disturbance shall quietlie and peaceablie retayne and enioy as in former ages their immunities franchises and liberties as well abroad as at home as well in their houses as in their fieldes They shall possesse their tenancies without ciectioÌ„ they shal be inheritors without expulsion as well to the lawes liberties and customes as to the lands possessions of their Auncestors They shall not be compelled to goe to warefare vppon their owne costes they shall not be tried arraigned
can any way be pregnant to proue the other And touching his assumption viz but the planting of the gouerment practised by the Apostles and primitiue Church will draw with it many great alterations of the state of gouerment of the lawes If in this place he vnderstood the state of Church gouerment and of the lawes Ecclesiasticall now in vse then is the proposition true And yet notwithstanding we avow the Gospell to be so farre from incurring any ouerthrow by such an alteration as thereby it is certayne that the same shal more more florish and be perpetuallie established by reason that this alteration should be made frō that which by long experience is knowne to be corrupt vnto that which is knowne by the holy Scriptures to be pure and sincere From a gouerment I say and lawes authorized by tradition and commandements of man alone to a policy lawes founded and descended by and from God him selfe But if the Admonitor by the assumption ment to enforme vs that the planting of the Apostolical gouerment will draw with it manie and great alterations of the temporall state of gouernment and of the temporall lawes statutes or customes of the kingdome then as before to his first so now also to his seconde I answere negatiuely and affirme that the The planting of the Apostolicall gouermēt will draw no alteratiō of the lawes of the realm with it planting of the said Apostolicall gouerment will not draw with it any least alteration of anie part of that temporall state of gouerment nor almost of anie one common statute or customarie law of the Land which may not rather bee altered thē reteyned For this platforme of gouerment we are able by the helpe of God to defend the same generallie for the most part to be most agreeable and correspondent to the nature qualitie disposition estate of our countrey people common weale and lawes as in our particular answeres to his particular reasons shall more at large appeare In all new and extraordinarie alterations it is not onely requisite to abolish al bad opinions out of the minds of those that know not the drift of the enterprisers but it is also necessarie that the defence of such alterations be made forcible against the opposition of all gaynesayers We will descend to the particulars ioyne issue with the Admonitor And vpon allegations exceptions witnesses and recordes to be made sworne examined and produced out of the holie Scriptures and lawes of the Land alreadie setled on the behalf of our cause before our Soveraigne Lord the King his Nobles and cōmons in Parleament we shall submit our selues and our cause to the Kings Royall and most Christian Iudgement In the meane time we 〈◊〉 that not onely the former clause of this admonitorie Bill but that al other clauses following in the same bill for the invaliditie insufficiencie indignitie and nullitie of them are to be throwne out and dismissed from the Kings Court especiallie for that the particulars opened by the Admonitor can not serue for any reasonable warning to induce the common people to relie themselues vpō his I am of opinion to the which wee plead at barr as followeth Admonition First saith he the whole State of Pag. 77. the Lawes of this Realme wil be altered For the Canon Law must be vtterlie taken away with all Offices to the same belonging which to supply with other lawes and functions without many inconveniences would bee verie hard the vse and studie of the civill law wil be vtterly overthrown Assertion When by a common acceptance and vse of speech these words whole state of the lawes of the Realme are vnderstood of the common and statute lawes of the Realme that is to say of the Kings temporall lawes and not of Canon or civill lawes it cannot followe that the whole state of the lawes of the Realme should Canon and civil laws no part of the laws of the Realme but only by sufferance be altered though the Canon and civill lawes with all Offices to the same belonging should be vtterly taken away be wholy overthrowne For no more could the Admonitor prove the canon or civill law at any time heretofore to haue bin any part of the lawes of this Realm otherwise then onlie by c 2. 25. H 8. C 21. in the preamble sufferance of our Kings acceptance long vse and custome of our people then can any man proue a parsly-bed a rosemary-twigge or an ivie-branch to be any part of the scite of the Castle of Farnham And therefore he might aswell haue concluded thus the whole scite of the Castle of Farnham wil bee transposed for the Boxetrees the heythorn arboures and the quicke set hedges planted within the Castle-garden must be removed cast away which were but a proof proouelesse and a reason reasonlesse If then by the abrogation of the canon or civill law scarce any one part of the lawes of this Realme should bee changed what reason haue we to thinke that the whole state of the lawes of the Realme must be altered Besides to conclude the whole by an argument drawen ab enumeratione partium and yet not to number the tenth part of such parts as were to bee numbred is I am sure neither good logike nor good law Moreover if all the canon-law I meane all the papall and forraigne canon law devised and ordeined at Rome or els where without the Realme and consequently all the Offices functions to the same belonging bee alreadie vtterlie taken away what hope of reward can Civilians expect from the vse of such things as are within the compasse of that law or of what efficacie is this argument to prove an alteration of anie part of the lawes of this Realme or that the studie of the Civill Law should be vtterly overthrowne For the whole state of the lawes properlie called the lawes of the Realme hath stood and continued many yeeres since the same Papal and canon law was abolished And as touching the Civilians for them to seeke after prefermentes by An imbasemēt for Civiliās to haue preferment by offices of the canon law offices and functions of the canon law is an embasement of their honorable profession especiallie since farre greater rewardes might verie easilie be provided for them if once they would put to their helping handes for the onely establishment and practise of the civil law in the principall causes now handled by them in the Courtes called Ecclesiasticall The canon law be abolished out of the Realme ought not to be vsed But how may it be proved that the Papall and forreign canon law is alreadie taken away and ought not to be vsed in England For my part I heartilie wish that some learned men in the common law would vouchsafe to shew vnto the King and Parleament their clere knowledge in this point In the meane season I shall not be negligent to gather set downe what in mine
haeredibus nostris in perpetuum quod Ecclesia Anglicana libera sit habeat omnia iura sua integra libertates suas illaesas We haue graunted vnto God and by this our present writing haue confirmed for vs and for our heyres for ever that the church of England be free and that shee haue all her rights and liberties whole and vnhurt Nowe by this Charter if the same be cōstrued aright there is provision made first that such honour and worship bee yeelded by the King and his subictes his and their successors and posteritie vnto God as truely and in deed belongeth vnto him Secondlie that not onely such rightes and liberties as the King his progenitors but also that such as God had endowed the Church of England with should inviolably be preserued And in verie deed to speake truely properly such rights and liberties onely are to be called the rightes liberties of the church of England which God him selfe hath giuen by his lawe vnto his vniuersall Church not which the Kings of England by their Charter haue bequeathed to the particular church of England When therefore questiō is made that by the great Charter the Kinges of England are bound to maintayne the rights and liberties of the Church of Englande we are to enquire and search what rights and liberties God in his holie word hath granted vnto his vniversall Church and so by consequence vnto the Church of England one part of the Catholike church And this questionlesse was the cause that moved the victorious Prince Henry the eight so effectuallie and powerfully to bend him selfe against the Popes supremacie vsurped at that time over the Church of England For saith the King wee will with hazard of our life and losse of our Crowne vpholde and defend in our Realmes whatsoever wee shall know to be the will of God The church of God then in England not being free nay having her rights and liberties according to the great Charter whole and vnhurt but being in bondage and servitude to the Sea of Rome contrarie to the lawe of God the King iudged it to stande highlie with his honor with his oath according to the measure of knoweledge which then was giuen vnto him to reform redresse amend the abuses of the same Sea If then it might please our gratious Soveraigne Lord King IAMES that now is treading in the godly steppes of his renoumed great Vncle to vouchsafe an abolishment of all lordlie primacie executed by Archiepiscopal Episcopall authoritie over the Ministers of Christ His Highnes in so doing could no more rightlie bee charged with the violation of the great Charter then might King HENRY the eight with the banishment of the Popes supremacie or then our late Soveraigne Ladie the Queene could be iustlie burthened with the breach of her oath by the establishment of the Gospell Nay if the Kings of England by reason of their oath had bin so straightlie tied to the wordes of the great Charter that they might not in anie sort haue disannulled any supposed rightes liberties of the church then vsed and confirmed by the great Charter vnto the church that thē was supposed to be the Church of God in England then belike King Henrie the eight might bee atteinted to haue gone against the great Charter and against his oath whē by the overthrow of Abbayes Monasteries he tooke away the rightes and liberties of the Abbotts and Priors For by expresse wordes of the great Charter Abbotts and Priors had as ample and as large a Patent for their rightes and liberties as our Archb. Bb. can at this day chalenge for their primacies If then the rightes and liberties of the one as being against the lawe of God be duly lawfully taken away notwithstanding any matter clause or sentence conteyned in the great Charter the other haue but litle reason by colour of the great Charter to stand vpon their pantofles and to contend for their painted sheathes For this is a rule maxime in all good lawes that in omni iuramento semper excipitur authoritas maioris vnlesse then they be able to iustifie by the holy scriptures that such rightes and liberties as they pretend for their spirituall primacie over the Ministers of Christ to be granted vnto them by the great Charter be in deed truth likewise confirmed vnto them by the holy law of God I suppose the Kinges Highnes as a successor to King Henrie the third and as a most iust inheritour to the Crown of England by the words of the great Charter and by his oath if once the same were taken to be bound vtterlie to abolish all Lordly primacie as hetherto vpheld and defended partly by ignorance and partlie by an vnreasonable and evill custome Admonition The vse and studie of the civill lawe wil be vtterly overthrown for the Civilians in this Realme live not by the vse of the civill lawe but by the offices of the canon lawe and such things as are within the compasse thereof And if you take those offices and functions away and those matters wherein they deale in the canon lawe you must needes take away the hope of rewarde and by that meanes their whole studie Assertion This collection dependeth vppon his former Reason is borrowed to proue a necessary continuance of canon law and concludeth in effect thus The taking away of the reward and maintenance of Civilians wil bee the overthrowe of the vse and studie of the civill lawe But the taking away of the canon lawe the offices and functions thereof and such things as are within the compasse of the same wil bee the taking away of the reward and maintenance of Civilians Therefore the taking away of the canon lawe wil be the overthrowe of the vse and studie of the civill lawe But we denie the assumption and affirme The maintenance of Civiliās dependeth not vpō the functions of the canon lavve that Civilians might haue farre better reward maintenance then now they haue if the offices and functions of the canon lawe and such things as are conteyned within the same were simply and absolutely taken away And further we say if there were none other vse nor end of the studie of the civill lawe then hope of reward and maintenance by some office function of the canon lawe that then Civilians should in vaine seeke for knowledge in the civill lawe because without the knowledge thereof and by the only knowledge of such things as are within the compasse of the canon law they might reape that rewarde and maintenance Nay sithens by experience wee haue known that some who neuer vnclapsed the institutions of Iustinian out of the same to learne the definition of civill iustice haue bin yet are authorized to exercise the offices and functions of the canon law how should the studie of the civill lawe bee furthered by these offices and functions when as without any knowledge of the civill
deforced wronged or otherwise kept or put from his lawfull inheritaÌ„ce estate seysin c. of in or to the same by anie person clayming or pretending to haue interest or title in or to the same that then in all and euerie such case the person so disseysed deforced or wrongfullie kept from his right or possession shall and may haue his remedie in the Kings temporal Courtes as the case shal require for the recouvery of such inheritance by writt originall c. to be devised and graunted out of the Kinges Court of Chancerie in like maner c. It is there likewise provided that that Act shal not extend nor be expounded to giue anie remedie cause of action or suite in the Courtes temporall against any person which shall refuse to set out his Tythes or which shall deteigne c. his Tythes and offerings But that in all such cases the partie c. having cause to demand or haue the same tythes shal haue his action for the same in the Ecclesiasticall Courtes accordinge to the ordenance in the first part of that act mentioned and none otherwise Now then sit hence euery person whether he be laie or Ecclesiasticall having â—â—ght to demand tythes and offeringes hath the partie from whom those tythes 〈◊〉 due bound obliged vnto him and thence also the partie not dividinge yeelding or paying his tythes doth actuallie and reallie deteigne the same and thereby doth vniustlie wrong the partie to whom they be due contrarie to iustice the Kings lawes sithence I say these things be so what alteratioÌ„ or disadvantage could befall or ensue to the common law or the Professors thereof if so bee it might please the King with his Parleament to haue the last part of this Act so to be explaned extended and enlarged as that the same might giue remedie in the Kings temporall Courts by writt original to be devised granted out of the ChaÌ„cerie against any person deteigning his tythes and offeringsâ— the Hospitall of St Leonards in Yorke of the Kings foundatioÌ„ and Patronage Hospitall of S. Leonard 1. 2. H. 6. c 2 endowed of a thrave of corne to be taken yerely of euery plouÌ„gh earing with in the Counties of Yorke Comberlande Westmerland and Lancaster hauing no sufficient or covenable remedie at the common law against such as withheld the same thraves it was ordeigned by the King in Parleament that the Maister of the said Hospitall and his successors might haue actions by writt or plaintes of debt or detinue at their pleasure against all and every of them that deteyned the same thraves for to recover the same thraves with their damages And by a statute 32. H. 8. c. 44. it is enacted That the Parsons and Curates of five parish churches whereinto the Towne of Roysen did extend it selfe and everie of them the successors of every of them shall haue their remedie by authoritie of that Act to sue demaund aske recover in the Kings Court of Chancerie the Tythes of corne hay wooll lambe and calfe subtracted or denyed to bee paide by any person or persons Againe Vicars Parsons or Improprietaries do implead any man in the ecclesiasticall Court for tythes of wood beeing of the age of 20. yeeres or aboue for tyth-hay out of a medow for the which tyme out of mind memorie of man there hath onely some Meade-silver bin paied or if a debate hang in a spirituall Court for the right of tythes having his originall from the right of Patronage the â—uaÌ„tite of the same tythes do passe the â—urth part of the value of the benefice prohibition in all these and sundrie other cases doth lie and the matters are to be tried and examined in the Kinges Courts according to the course of the common lawe vnlesse vpon iust cause there be graunted a consultation And if in these cases in maintenance of the common law the defendants haue relief in the Kinges Courts I thinke it more meete to leave it to the consideration rather of coÌ„mon then to the iudgemeÌ„t of canon Lawiers to determine what alteration the common law could sustayne in case all Plaintiffes aswell as some defendants might pray the Kings ayd for the recovery of tythes especially seeing at this day the maner of paying tythes in England for the most part is now limited by the coÌ„mon and statute lawes of the Realm and not by any forraigne canon law Obiect But there is some fact happely so difficile so secreat and so mystical in these causes of tythes as the same cannot without a very great alteration of the common law be so much as opened before a lay Iudge or of the hidden knowledge wherof the Kings temporall Iudges are not capable Answere Why then let vs see of what nature that inextricable fact may bee I haue perused many libels made and exhibited before the ecclesiasticall What facts touching the witholding of tythes are examinable in the ecclesiasticall Courts Iudges yea and I haue read them over and over and yet for grounde of complaint did I never perceave any other materiall and principall kinde of facte ' examinable in those Courts but onely such as follow First that the partie agent is eyther Rector Vicar Proprieiarie or Possessor of such a Parish-Church and of the Rectorie Vicarage farm possession or dominion of the same and by vertue thereof hath right vnto all Tythes oblations c. apparteyning to the same Church and growing with on the same Parish bounds limitts or places tythable of the same Secondly that his predecessors Rectors Vicars c. tyme out of minde and memorie of man haue quietly and peaceably receaued and had all and singular Tythes oblations c increasing growing and renuing within the Parish c. and that they and he haue bin and are in peaceable possession of hauing and receaving Tythes oblations c. Thirdly that the partie defendant hath had and received in such a yere c. of so many sheepe feeding and couching within the said Parish c. so many fleeces of woll and of so many ewes so many lambes c. Fourthly that the defendant hath not set out yealded or paid the Tyth of the wooll and lambe and that every Tyth fleece of the said wooll by common estimation is worth so much and that every Tyth lamb by coÌ„mon estimation is likewise worth so much c. Fiftly that the defendant is subiect to the iurisdiction of that Court wherevnto hee is sommoned Lastly that the defendant doth hetherto deny or delay to pay his Tythes notwithstanding hee hath bin requested there vnto These and such like are the chief matters The Kinges Iustices are as able to iudge of exceptions against tithes as the ecclesiastical Iudges of fact wherevpon in the ecclesiasticall Courts proofes by witnesses or recordes rest to be made for the recoverie of tythes And who knoweth not but that these facts vpon proofes made before the Kinges Iustices may aswell bee decided by
them as by any of the reverende Bishops or venerable Archdeacons their Chancelors or Officials If there be ame exception alleaged by the defendant as of composition prescription or privilege the Kinges Iustices are as able to iudge of the validitie of these as they are now able to determine customes de modo decimandi or of the vse of high wayes of making and repayring of bridges of commons of pasture pawnage estovers or such like Trueth it is that of legacies and bequestes of Legacies how they may be recouered at the coÌ„mon lawe goods the reverend Bishops by sufferance of our Kinges and consent of our people haue accustomablie vsed to take cognyzance and to hold plea in their spirituall Courts Notwithstanding if the legacie be of landes where landes be divisible by Testament the iudgement thereof hath ben alwayes vsed and holden by the Kings writ and never in any ecclesiasticall Court Wherfore if it shall please the King to enlardge the authoritie of his Courtes temporall by commandinge matters of legacies and bequestes of goods aswell as of landes to be heard and determined in the same it were not much to be feared but that the Kings Iustices the Kings learned Counsell and others learned in the law of the Realme without any alteration of the same law would spedelie find meanes to applie the grounds thereof aswell to all cases of legacies and bequests of goods as of landes For if there bee no goods divisible by will but the same are grauÌ„table and confirmable by deede of gift could not the Kings Iustices aswel iudge of the gift of the thing given by will as of the graunt of the thing graunted by deede of gift or can they not determine of a legacie of goods aswell as of a bequest of landes If it should come in debate before them whether the Testator at the time of making his will were of good perfect memorie vpon profes and other circumstances to bee opened and made of the Testators memorie by livelie testimonies either the Admonitor must condemne the Kinges learned and discreete Iustices to be 〈◊〉 mentis insanae memoriae or els it must be confessed that they be as well able to iudge of the distraction of wits and vnsoundnes of memorie in a person deceased as they be to determine the question of Lunacie madnesse or idiocie in a man living If anie question should arise vpon the revocation of a former will of the ademptioÌ„ of a legacie or of a legacie giuen vpon coÌ„dition or in diem it would be 〈◊〉 matter for the learned Iudges vpon sight of the Will and proofes to be made to define which is the first and which is the last will whether the legacie remayne or whether it be revoked whether it be legatum per rerum or 〈◊〉 whether condicionall or without condition And if it bee condicional whether the same be possible or impossible honest or dishonest and if it be 〈◊〉 whether the day bee past or to come But there lyeth no action at the commoÌ„ lawe for a legatorie against the executor to recover his legacie I graunt But a creditor to recover his dâ—â—t due by the testator vpon specialtie may bringe an action at the common law against the executor And then what is the cause that a creditor may recover his debt that a legatorie can not recover his legacie in the Kinges Court but onlie for that remedie could not be giuen vnto legatories complaynantes by any writt out of the Chancerie And therefore that such plaintifes might not be deferred of their right 21. Ed. 1. statute vpon the writt of consultation remedie in such cases to their great damage it hath pleased the Kinges by sufferance to tolerate the Church officers to determine these cases Wherefore if it might please the King to cause Writtes to bee made out of his Court of Chancerie for the recoverie of Legacies it were cleere by the common law of the Realme as from the statute may be gathered that the cognizance of these cases did not appertayne anie more to the spirituall Court. For then might the legatorie by that Writt bring an actioÌ„ against the executor to obteine his Legacie But how should that action be tryed How even as other actions of debt detinue or trover be tried namelie as the case should require either by the countrey or by the Iudges vpon a moratur in lege As Testamentes with their adherences so likewise matters of Spousalles Matters of mariages more meete to bee decided by the Kings then by the Bb. officers Mariages divorces c. togither their accessories by common right of the Imperiall Crowne did in auncient times properlie apperteyne to the examinations and sentences of the Emperours them selues to their Provostes Deputies and Presidentes of Cities and Provinces as by the several titles de Testamentis Legatis Fidei commissis Nuptijs repudijs divortio dote c. in the books of the civil law appeareth By the Law of England also the King hath the mariadge of an heyre being within age in his warde Widowes also that hold of the King in chiefe must not marie them selues without the Kings licence And by an Act made 4. and 5. Phil. and Mary there is a streight punishment provided against all such as shall take away Maydens that be inheritors being within the age of sixteene yeres or marie them without consent of their Parentes And what reason letteth them that the King might not as well haue the care and cognoyzance of all the coÌ„tractes of mariage especially of the mariage of all children and Widowes in his temporall Courtes as he hath of some parties to bee contracted of the Dower of the ioynture of the dis aragment of the age of the 〈…〉 way of the deflouring and of manage without parentes consent in some cases or what a verie great alteration of the common Law could ensue in case the Kings temporall Iustices did examine and determine whether the contract were a pefect and simple or condicionall contract yea or no For if vpon the statute made by Phi. and Mary that Maydens and Women children of Noble men GentlemeÌ„ c. being heyres apparant c. and being left within age of xvj yeares should not marie against the will or vnknowing of or to the Father or against c. If I say vpon the publishing of this Act there hath no alteration of the common law hitherto followed it is but a meere superstitious errour to feigne that a change of the coÌ„mon law must followe if so be this statute were extended to all children both Sonnes and Daughters of what parentage sexe estate or age so euer For if the King in his temporall Courts had the definitioÌ„ of all aswell as of some contractes made by children without consent of parents then should a multitude of lewde and vngodlie contractes made by flatterie trifling gifts faire and goodly promises of many vnthriftie and light personages
if it may please him so to provide by Parleament may giue remedie vnto complaynants by writts out of the Chancerie and that complaints in such cases may effectuallie be redressed vpon such writts in the Kings Courts And if also sundrie matters of Tythes Testaments and Mariages be alreadie handled in the Kinges Courts if these things I say be so and so may be then with litle reason did the Admonitor warne vs that a verie great alteration of the common law must follow and that it will be no small matter to applie these things to the temporall law But the antecedent is true as hath bene alreadie shewed Therefore the consequent is true Admonition Iudgementes also of adulterie slauÌ„der c. are in these mens iudgmentes Pag. 78. mere temporall and therefore to be dealt in by the temporall Magistrate onely Assertion We are in deed of this iudgemeÌ„t that in regard of the Kinges Royall Office these iudgements of adultrie and other criminall causes comprised within this clause c. ought no more to be exempted from the Kings temporall Courtes then matters of theft murther treason and such like ought to be And for the mayntenance of our iudgementes wee affirme that there is no crime or offeÌ„ce of what nature or qualitie soever respecting any commaundement conteyned within either of the two tables of the holie law of God if the same bee nowe corrigible by spirituall power but that some fault and contempt one or other of the like nature and qualitie as comprised vnder the same commandement hath bene evermore and is now punishable by the Kings Regall and temporal iurisdiction For adulterie as the same is to be censured by penance in the Ecclesiasticall Courtes so is ravishment also buggerie sodomie to be punished in the Kings Court by payne of death And as hath bene accustomed that Ordinaries by ceÌ„sures of the Church may correct fornicators so fornication also as in some bookes written of the common lawe is reported hath bene in times passed presented and punished in leetes and Law-dayes in divers places of the Realme by the name of Letherwhyte whiche is as the booke saieth an auncient Saxon terme And the Lord of the Leete where it hath bene presented hath euer had a fyne for the same offence By the statute of those that be borne beyond the Seas 25. Ed 3. it appeareth that the Kinge hath cognizance of fome bastardie And nowe in most cases of bastardie if not in all by the statute of Eliza. the reputed father of a bastard borne is lyable to bee punished at the discretion of the Iustices of peace Touching periurie if a man loose his action by a false verdict in plea of land Periurie if punishable temporallie in some cases why not in all he shall haue an attaynt in the Kinges Court to punish the periurie and to reforme the falsitie And by divers statutes it appeareth that the Kings teÌ„porall Officers may punish periurie committed in the Kings teÌ„poral Courtes And though it be true that such periurie as hath risen vpon causes reputed spirituall haue bene in times past punished onlie by ecclesiasticall power and censures of the Church yet herevpon it followeth not that the periurie it selfe is a meere spirituall and not a temporall crime or matter or that the same might not to be civillie punished By a statute of Westminster 25. Ed. 3. it was accorded that the King his Vsurie heyres shall have the cognizance of the vsurers dead and that the Ordinaries haue cognizance of vsurers on lyfe to make compulsion by censures of the Church for sinne and to make restitution of the vsuries taken against the lawes of holy church And by another statute it is provided that vsuries shall 20. H. 3. c. 5. not turne against any being within age after the time of the death of his Auncestoure vntill his full age But the vsurie with the principall debt which was before the death of his Auncestor did remayne and turne against the heyre And because all vsurie being forbidden by the law of God is sinne detestable 13. Eliz. c. 8. it was enacted that all vsurie lone and forbearing of money c. giving dayes c. shall be punished according to the forme of that Act. And that everie such offendor shal also be punished corrected according to the Eccle. lawes before that tyme made against vsurie By al which statutes it seemeth that the cognizance reformatioÌ„ of vsurie by the lawes of the Realm partayneth onlie to the Kinge vnles the King by his lawe permit the Church to correct the same by the censures of the church as a sinne committed against the holy law of God Touching heresies and schismes albeit the Bishoppes by their Episcopall Heresies schismes are punishable by the Kings lawes and ordinarie spirituall power grouÌ„ded vpon canon lawe or an evill custome have vsed by definitive senteÌ„ce pronouÌ„ced in their Consistories to condemne men for heretickes and schismatickes and afterward being condemned to deliver them to the seculer power to suffer the paynes of death as though the King being custos vtriusque tabulae had not power by his Kinglie office to enquire of heresie to condemne an hereticke to put him to death vnlesse he were first condemned delivered into his hands by their spirituall power although this hath bene I say the vse in England yet by the statutes of Richard the second Henrie the fift it was lawfull for the Kings Iudges and Iustices to enquire of heresies and Lollardes in Leetes Sherifes turnes and in Lawdayes and also in Sessions of the peace Yea the King by the common law of the Realme revived 25. H. 5. c. 14. by an Act of Parleament which before by the Statute of Henrie the fourth was altered may pardon a man condemned for heresie yea and if it should come to passe that any heresies or schismes should arise in the Church of Englande the Kinge by the lawes of the Realme and by his Supreame Soveraigne power with his Parleament may correct redresse and reforme all such defaultes and enormities Yea further the King and his Parleament with consent of the Cleargie in their Convocation 1. Eliz. ca. 〈◊〉 hath power to determine what is heresie and what is not heresie If then it might please the King to haue it enacted by Parleament that they which opiniativelie and obstinatelie hold defende 1 Eliz 〈◊〉 1. and publish any opinions which according to an Act of Parleament alreadie made haue bene or may bee ordered or adiudged to be heresies should be heretickes and felons and their heresies If it please the Kinge heretickes may bee adiudged felons and hereâ—ies felonies to be felonies and that the same heretickes and felons for the same their heresies and felonies beeing araigned convicted and adiudged by the course of the common law as other felons are should for the same their heresies felonies suffer the paynes of death
as robbers and ransackers of the church And that some of the plotters for the Prelacie more honestlie might haue imployed both their Latine and their labour then latelie they did When by drawing letters as they pretended congratulatorie to the King onlie in the name of preaching Ministers they procured notwithstanding ignorant vnpreaching Ministers to ioyne in the action and to affix their handes and names That such letters haue bene made and signed is sufficientlie to bee proved but whether they haue ben presented to the Kinges handes is not yet knowne Onely if they shall hereafter come then may they be known by these wordes Nos Concionatores c. ab omni domestica capacitate eorum qui pretextu religionis ecclesiae insidiantur My Lord the King is wise according to the wisedome 2 Sā 14. 24 of an Angell of God to vnderstand all things whereof he is informed The third meanes to reduce impropriations vnto the possession of the Ministerie Publick redemption of impropriations is by way of publicke redemption or purchase For the accomplishment whereof it is necessarie that not onelie a common treasure be provided but also that the price of impropriations by a publicke consent be valued at a reasonable rate to make which rate will bee a matter of small weight whether they be valued to be bought and sould at their old and auncient or at their new improved rentes To provide a common treasure though to some it may seeme a matter intricate and troublesome yet seeing the same possiblie and convenienlie may be done there is no cause that men should feint before they fight or be at an end before they beginne It is written that the cause when Kinge Solomon 1 K. 9. 15. raised the tribute to wit was to build the house of the Lorde his owne house and Millo and the wall of Ierusalem After that wicked Athaliah and 2. Cron. 24 her children had broken vp the hous◠of God had bestowed all the things that were dedicate for the house of the Lorde vpon Baalim King Ioash commanded the Priestes and Levites to goe vnto the Cities of Iudah and to gather of al Israell money to repayre the house of God from yeare to yeare and they made a chest and made Proclamation to bring the tax of Moses the Princes reioyced and brought in and cast into the chest And when there was much silver they emptied the chest and caryed it to his place againe and thus day by day they gathered silver in abundance If thē towards the building of an earthlie house the Princes people of Iudah and Israell willinglie with ioy of their heartes from yeare to yeare and from day to day threwe silver in abundance into the chest how much more were it praise worthy if Christian people did encourage them selves to pay a small tribute towards the provision of a competent maintenance for their spirituall Pastours by whose labours as livelie stones they might be buylded vp into a spirituall temple in the Lord That manie and great taxes and tributes of late yeares haue bene made for many vses and to many purposes there is no man ignorant thereof And therfore though there bee litle reason that the people standing alreadie burdened with great charge should be again recharged especiallie when without any extraordinarie burden there is an ordinarie meanes if the same were accordingly bestowed by the people yeelded to relieve the Ministers in all places with a decent and comelie portion yet notwithstanding to be eased from those publicke payments and annuall greevances imposed by the ecclesiasticall Courtes vpon the people it is not to be doubted but the Parishioners in al places would willinglie pay any reasonable taxe or tribute to be demanded of them for this purpose An other meanes to rayse this publike treasure may be a dissolution of all free The dissolution of Chappels may bee a good meane to rayse a tribute Chapples and Chapples of ease in the Countrey together with an vnion of two or moe churches into one especiallie in Cities and great Townes For as in these Cities and Townes the poorest meanest livings be provided so generallie for the most part are they fitted with the poorest and meanest Curates as by most lamētable experience is to be seene in all the Episcopall cities of the Realm excepting London Nay the chiefe and Metropolitane citie of Canterburie is not to bee excepted For in that Citie there being about 12. or 13. Parish churches there hath not bene ordinarilie of late yeares aboue 3. or 4. able Preachers placed in the same Churches The Chapples to be dissolved and the Churches to be consolidated by two and two into one one can be no fewer in number then one thousand at the least All which if they might be solde the money to bee raysed vpon their sale could be no lesse then twentie thousand poundes if they were soulde onlie for twentie pounds a peece But if they be well worth double or treble so much then would the treasure also bee doubled or trebled This dissolution of Chapples and vnion of Churches is no new devise nor strange innovation But hath ben heretofore thought vpon and in some parte confirmed alreadie by our Kinges in their Parleaments Touching the dissolution of Chapples the most Dissolution of Chappels noe newe devise reverēd Father Thomas Crammer Archbishop of Camterburie with the residue of the Kings Commissioners appointed for the reformation of Ecclesiasticall lawes alloweth of the same And for the vnion of Churches there was an acte made 27. H. 8. so they exceeded not the value of six pounds And by a statute Titu de eccles gard fol. 54. r. Ed. 6. it was lawfull for the Mayor Recorder of the Citie of Yorke and the Ordinarie or his Deputie six Iustices Lawfull for the Maior of Yorke c. to vnite Churches in the Citie of Yorke of the peace in the same Citie to vnite and knit together so many of the poore Parishes of the same Citie and suburbes of the same as to thē should be thought convenient to be a living for one honest incumbent And it was lawfull for the said Mayor Recorder and Aldermen to pull downe the Churches which they should think superflous in the said citie and suburbes of the same and to bestow the same towardes the reparation and enlargement of other Churches of the Bridges in the Citie and to the reliefe of the poore people The considerations which moved the King and Parleament What reasons moved K. Ed 6. to vnite churches in York may moue King Iames to vnite Churches in Canterburie c. to ordeyne this act were these viz. The former incompetēcie of honest livings the former necessitie of taking verie vnlearned and ignorant Curates not able to do any part of their duties the former replenishing of the Citie with blinde guides and Pastors the former keeping of the people aswell in ignorance of their
subversion vpō any nation that purely and soundly in place therof hath embraced the holy Sacrament of the Lords Supper It seemeth also to be equal for many ages past that the Bishop of Rome might haue supreame and absolute power over all persons states and causes not only in Rome Italy Spaigne Germany other forraigne Kingdoms but also in England and Scotland But as yet to the view of al the world it hath not proved perilous for the King Queen of England and Scotland to establish new lawes for the alteration of that ancient abuse And why hath it not bene dangerous so to do Why forsooth because there was evident vtilitie in doing of it But how could an evident vtilitie appeare before it was done How Forsooth because the holy law of God had warranted an alteration For faith having eyes to see the wisedom the power and the trueth of God in his word discerned a far of that the institution of the Lords Supper was long before the sacrifice of the masse And therefore our Kings by abandoning popery out of the Realme did not institute any new religion but onely they restored the old Now then if the same holy lawe of God doe condemne the choyce and thrusting of a Pastour vpon the people by one man alone and againe if the same lawe doe impugne the primacie of one Pastour over all Pastours as wel in a Diocesse or Province as in the whole West part of Christendome what daunger can it be not to disfrāchise the one sithence without any maner of danger we haue abolished the other or what perill can it be not to countenance the sonnes sithence without peril we haue discountenanced the father Especially seeing in this place of the admonition we haue a playne cōfession that the common maner of election of Pastors Elders and Deacons in the old Churches was made by the people For if the examples of schisme discord Common manner of elections in the olde churches was by the people contention did commonly appeare in the olde churches while that maner of election did continue then by his owne mouth that maner of election was common and did continue in the olde churches Besides this inconvenience saith he caused Princes Bishops so much to entermedle in this matter From whence it necessarily againe followeth that by the holy Scriptures and law of God Princes and Bishops did not entermedle with that matter at all For had it bin simply lawful for thē to haue Bb. medle not with election of Pastours by the holie Scriptures dealt in those causes by the worde of God thē as well before schisme discord and dissention as afterward yea rather much more before then afterward For then by their own right might Princes and Bishops haue prevented all occasion of schisme and contention and haue so preserved the Church that no tumult or disorder should once haue bin raysed or begun therein Againe if by the lawe of God Princes Bishops had medled in these matters and had not entermedled by humane devise then lawfully by their authoritie alone might they haue chosen Pastours Elders and Deacons in the olde Churches which thing in this place by necessarie inference he denieth For schisme saith he caused thē to entermedle So as by his confession they were but entermedlers and entercommoners by reason of schisme not cōmoners and medlers by vertue of Gods word And yet now a dayes our reverend Bishops in this case are no more entercommoners with Princes and with the people they are no more entermedlers as in olde times they were but they haue now so farre encroched vpon the prerogatiues of the Prince and privileges of the people that neither Prince Bishops encroch vpon the right of prince and people nor people haue any commons in the election of Pastours Elders Deacons with them at all Besides if schisme and contention among the people were the reason why Bishops first entermedled in the choise of Pastours we now having no schisme nor contention about the choise of Pastours by the people and so the cause ceasing why should not the effect likewise cease But this effect is therefore still to be continued because otherwise the cause would a new sprout out and spring vp againe Nay rather inasmuch as for these many yeares we haue had schisme discord dissention because the Bishops wholy and altogether haue medled in the choise of Pastours and haue thrust vpon the people whatsoever Pastours please not the people but pleased themselves haue not suffered the people to medle no not so much as once to entermedle in these matters in as much I say as these things be so it seemeth most expediēt requisite necessarie for the appeasing pacifying of this discord the taking away of this schisme to haue that maner of election which was in the old Churches restored to the people and this wherein the Bishops haue entermedled without authoritie from the worde to be abolished that so againe the cause of schisme and strife which is now among vs ceasing the effect might likewise cease After I had ended this tract in this maner touching this poynt there came into mine handes a booke intituled The perpetuall gouernment of Christes church written by Thomas Bilson Warden of Winchester Colledge in the fifteenth chapter of which booke is handled this question viz to whom the election of Bishoppes and Presbiters doth rightlie belong and whether by Gods lawe the people must elect their Pastours or no. In whiche Chapter also the matter of schisme strife and contention is handled The finall scope and conclusion whereof is as the proposition importeth two fold First cōcerning Bishops then concerning Pastours The quarell taken against Bishoppes doth not so much touch sayth he the office and functions of Bishoppes as it doth the Princes prerogatiue When you rather thinke the Prince may not name her Bishoppes without the consent and election of the people you impugne nor vs but directlie call the Princes fact and her lawes in question As touching this poynt of the proposition because the people by any lawe or custome never chalenged anie right or interest in the choyse of the Kings Bishoppes we haue nothing to medle or to make about the choyse of any of his Kinglie Bishoppes The Kinge only hath power without the people to nominate his Kingly Bb. Nay we confesse as his Highnes progenitours Kings of England haue bin the Soveraigne Donours Founders Lords and Avowes of all the Bishoprickes in England without ayd of the people that so likewise it is a right and interest invested into his Imperiall Crowne that he onely his heyres successours without cōsent of the people ought to haue the free nomination appointment collation investiture and confirmation of all Bishoppes frō time to time to be placed in anie of those Bishoprickes yea we say further that the King alone hath not power onely to nominate collate confirme but also to
carefullie vse this his freedome And therefore he may not wholy and altogether put from him selfe and expose at haphazard the provision education instruction dieting appareling and lodging of his wife his sonnes his daughters and his servaunts vnto strangers neither may Husbandes Fathers nor Maisters giue their consent to the making of anie lawe or the bringing in of anie custome whereby their freedomes should be restreyned adnihiled or made voyde in this behalfe For by thus violating the rules and grounds by thus treading as it were vnder foote the equitie of Christ and the freedome they haue by the lawe of God should they not most prophanelie and impiouslie despight God and as it were over turne the whole order he hath set in nature And if the people may not cast off these rules and these groundes this equitie and this freedome in thinges apperteyning to this frayle bodily transitorie and earthlie life howe much lesse may they cast them off or sett litle by them in things apperteyning to the salvation of their soules and to a durable spirituall everlasting and heavenlie life But the peoples right to choose their Obiection that the peoples right did neuer depend vpō the expresse commandemēt of God Bishoppes did never depende vpon the expresse commaundement of God neither can the people chalendge by Gods law the right to chose their Bishoppes I meane saieth he no such thinge is expressed and conteyned in the Scriptures What then if it doe depend or bee conteyned vnder the generall groundes and rules of reason nature christian equitie christian societie principles of humane fellowshippes the law of God the practise of the Apostles and that which was from the beginning Is it not sufficient Though it bee not expressed in these termes viz That the people must chose or that the people haue right to choose their Bishoppes It is not expressed and conteyned in the scriptures that everie man must choose his owne wife or that everie woman must choose her own husband And yet by the doctrine expressed or conteyned in the scriptures is it true that no man hath right either to choose an other mans wife or to choose an other womans husband And that everie man hath right to chose his owne wife and every woman right to choose her owne husbande Againe it is not expressed and conteyned in the scriptures that infantes must bee baptized Neither is it expressed and conteyned in the scriptures that the Bishopp of Lichfield must haue but one wife Yet because it is conteyned in the scriptures that God in the beginning brought but one woman vnto one man and gaue to one woman but one husband I assure my selfe it wil not be denied but that the Bishops must and doth content him selfe with one wife and that every Christian ought to bring their children to be Baptized Besides if Maister Bilson distinguish Bishops in England from Pastors in England and Arch-Bishops in England and Pastours in England two severall orders and degrees of Ministers in the Church of England then I graunt that it is neither expressed nor cōteyned in the Scriptures that the people must choose their Bishops in England And why but because the Scriptures having put no difference betwene Bishops and Pastours knowe no such Bishops as wee haue in Bishopps in England are only Bishops by the Kings grace not by diuine institution England And therfore Bishops in England being Bishops only by the Kinges grace and not by divine institution and ordination as Pastours in Englande be hence is it that the Kings of England by their prerogatiue Royall and not the people by the rule of Scriptures haue chosen their Bishops in England And for this cause also was it that Kinge Henry the eight with advise of the Parleament did reassume the nomination appointment investiture cōfirmation of his Kingly Bishops from the Pope As for the nomination of Pastoures having cure of soules in parishes otherwise Pastors in parochiall Churches were neuer placed by the King as Bb. are in their Bishoprickes then all patrones by right of patronage doe giue presentmentes their choyse institution translation or deprivation the Kings of Enland by their regall power never yet hetherto tooke the same vpon them And if the Kinges of England by any fact or by any law did never take away the right interest and freedome from the people in choosing their Pastours what right other then by vsurpation can the Bishops haue to impose or thrust vpon the people Pastours without their liking But by custome and consent the people haue restreyned them selves Herevnto if it were not already sufficiently answered that the people could not lawfully restreine them selves yet Maister Bilson him selfe answereth That the late Bb. of The people lost their cōsent by cursing fighting of the Popes Rome neuer left cursing fighting till they had excluded both Prince and people and reduced the electiō wholy to the Clergie By cursing and fighting then haue the people bene overruled and excluded and not by custome or consent haue they restreyned them selues Yea by vertue of this cursed fight onely doe the Bishoppes of Englande at this day exclude both Prince and people from medling in the choyse of Pastoures For by authoritie of the canon law made by those late cursing and fighting Bishopps of Rome the Bishoppes of Englād haue the sole ordination and placinge of Pastours over the people And from hence also is it playne that the peoples right was not by their default or abuse relinquished and forfeyted For then then late Bishoppes of Rome needed not to haue cursed and fought for it And now whether it bee not meete that the Lord Bb. professing them selues to bee Christian Bishoppes should still reteyne in their handes and not restore vnto Christian people the possession of their Christian equitie and freedome extorted from them by the cursings and fightinges of antichristian Bb. I leaue it to the consideration of the reverende Bishoppes them selues Touching the mischieves and inconveniences of schisme troubles strifes contentions so often inculcated and so much vrged and excepted against the election of the people there is no man able as I thinke to produce any one pregnant proofe out of any auncient or late Historie that any Kinge or Soveraigne power hath interposed any supreame authoritie to appease any discord or dissentiō ensuing or raised vpō the bare choise made of any meere Parochiall Pastour by any faithfull and Christian people The schismes strifes and factions that were raysed in the old Schismes contentions spring from schismaticall and proud clergy maisters Churches sprang out and flowed onely from the heads and fountaynes of those schismes strifes factions and namely from proud ambitious and hereticall Bishops and great Clergie maisters For they being infected and poysoned with the contagion of schisme and heresie having sowred the mindes of their Disciples with the leaven of their hereticall doctrines no merveile if the people
commaund a Minister to be presented ordeyned elected to be a Pastour in a parochiall Church as hee hath to coÌ„maund a Bishop to be elected confirmed and coÌ„secrated to an Episcopall sea And are we not then merveylouslie giddi-headded new-fangled and strange innovators Againe when wee desire that the King at the humble suite of the Ministers the Patron and the people would be pleased to confirme and admitt the Patrones Clerke in to the temporalities of a benefice what other thing is required but that the possession of no church should be delivered vnto any Minister without the Kings publike writt And would not this breed a perilous sturr garboyle discord and contention when the Archdeacons pretie signet as Dagon falling downe before the Arck should giue place bow down and do reverence vnto the Kings of England seale at armes Oh! but in this platforme there be other dangerous innovations and alterations not to be atteÌ„pted Yea And what then be they The Admonitor him self The Prophets ought to bee tried by the Prophetes in his admonition holdeth Yea Mai. Bilson and all other supporters of the Hyerarchie defended That the Cleargie ought to iâ—dge of the Clergie and that the Prophetes ought to be tried examined and ordeyned onely by the Prophetes and that the spirites of the Prophetes are subiect to the spirites of the Prophetes Wherein then consisteth the disagreement and variance betweene vs and them touching the ordination of a Prophet by Prophetes or of a Minister by Ministers Certes to mine vnderstanding there is none other matter of dissonancie in this case but even alonely this viz. That he by these wordes the spirites Corinth of the prophetes are subiect to the prophetes intendeth that the Spirits of many prophetes touchinge their triall examinatioÌ„ and ordination are subiect to the spirit of one prophet and that Whether the spirites of manie Prophets be subiect to one or of one to many therefore one prophete by his owne spirite may trie examine and ordeyne manie Prophetes Whereas on the other side we affirme that one prophet according to this rule of our holy faith is to speake and the other prophetes are to iudge and that no one prophete may trie examine or ordeyne many prophetes Because from this place wee gather that the spirites of many prophetes in the ordinarie course of the ministerie of the Worde were neuer subiected in this case to the spirite of one Prophete But in this platforme there is no mention made of the King if he bee patrone neither is there any institution spoken of and then howe can any action of quare impedit bee brought to try the right if two patrones pretend title to the Patronage besides the Patrone by this platforme must fetch his Clerckes only from the Vniversities Schooles of learning and Nurseries of the Ministerie whereas now he hath libertie to present any Clerke wheresoever or howsoever ordayned Againe strife and contention may arise in the presbytery betwene the Bishops and the Ministers them selues appointed to be examiners and ordeyners which of the two Clerkes nominated by the Patrone is most worthy to be preferred If both the Patrones Clerkes for non abilitie or criminousnes be refused who shall then nominate and to whom shall the election devolue And lastlie what if the Bishop and presbytery shall disalow one for vnabilitie which in deed is notwithstanding of abilitie to teach to all these difficulties thus wee aunswere If the Kinges Maiestie be Patrone to any benefice with cure of soules because Touching the Kinges patronage we iudge and confesse him to be a King endowed with a rare and singuler spirit of zeale for the glorie of our God with an excellent spirit of loue for the saluation of the soules of his subiects and to be the Nehemiah of our age sent vnto vs from aboue for the building of the walls and reedifying of the ports of the house of God which were brokeÌ„ downe and devoured We for our partes doubt nothing at all nay rather we most certeynly perswade our selues his Highnes having once bene pleased to prescribe all wholesome commendable lawes vnto his people will also vouchsafe much more to prescribe lawes yea and to be a law vnto him selfe And that his Maiestie wil set this busines of the Lords house so neare vnto his Kingly Christian heart by the planting of able Ministers in all the Churches of his Highnes Patronage as that all other Patrons by his godly example wil be excited readily to walke in the Kings path to weare the Kinges coloures and to become the Kinges chiefe favourytes in this so holie a worke And therefore touching the Kings Patronages cum Maiestas imperatoria H. de ley fidei 3. l. ex imperfecto legibus esse soluta videatur wee commend them wholy to the Kinges most Christian care providence and fidelitie The Bishops institution and writt of quare impedit wee graunt must cease The Bishops institution may cease but in place of institution the election ordination by the Presbytery succeedeth and the Clerke nominated by the Patrone elected and ordayned by the Presbyterie shall haue idemius ad Ecclesiam in Ecclesia which in formeâ— times the Clercke presented by the Patrone and instituted by the Bishop was wont to haue If any suite in law happeÌ„ for the right of Patronage betwene two or moe PatroÌ„s If suite fall out betwene two patrons what then may bee done pretending title to the gift of one benefice It seemeth that this suit might haue far easier and more speedie way of triall by some other writt then by the writ of quare impedit for vpon this writ many times by negligence or vnskilfulnes of the Aturneyes it falleth out that one of the parties is driven some times to sitt downe by great losse and not to haue his title tried at all onely for want of some ceremoniall forme not observed in the pleadings of the cause And therefore both Patrones within the time to be limited by the Kings writ having nominated their Clerkes to the Presbytery as heretofore they presented to the Bishop we leaue it to be considered whether it were not meet and convenient that the Presbitery should wholy defer the election ordinatioÌ„ of eyther their Clerks vntill the right of patronage were finallie adiudged before the Kings Iustices at the common law vpoÌ„ which iudgment passed they might then without scruple or impediment proceede to the full election ordination of that Patrones Clerke for whom the iudgment was given By which maner of triall if the action might bee brought in the namâ— of Patrone against Patrone the Clerkes should not onely be freed from much obloqui wherevnto they are now subiect by prosecution of suites at law one Clercke against another but also they should bee exempted from all expence labour and turmoile with which heretofore they haue incumbered theÌ„ selues to the hinderance of their studies and decay of
then what force is my Lo. of Ca. iudgement who supposeth it vnlawfull for the Church to excommunicate a Prince to bee against him selfe for in the 137. page he telleth vs that happely it may be a fault yea a great fault that is found with the Bishops in these dayes that they doe not excommunicate the Prince and Rulers and so constraine them to doe that which by perswasion they will not doe If then excommunication bee so terrible to Princes and Rulers howe should it bee of so light accompt with subiects And if it bee so powerfull as it can constraine Princes and Rulers to do their duties how much more fearefull would it be to compell inferiours and men of low estate to liue soberly in their vocations I will not here debate the matter touching the excommunication of Princes Rulers much lesse touching the excommunication of the Prince and Rulers of our lande But I would gladly bee informed what they were or who they be that found great fault with the Bishoppes in these dayes for not endeavouring to excoÌ„municate the Prince and Governours The Papists they thinke it sufficient that the Prince and Governours be excommunicated by the Pope his Clergie The Ministers and people professing the Gospell and seeking for reformation of excommunication deny the Bishops to haue any divine power granted by the word of God to excommunicate a private man much lesse doe they thinke it lawful for them to excommunicate the Prince and Rulers Who then I say find fault with the Bishoppes that they doe not excommunicate the Prince and Governours and so constraine them to doe that which by perswasion they will not do For my part I caÌ„ not guesse whom he should meane vnlesse he ment to giue vs to vnderstand that some Prelatists haue consulted about the excommunicating both Prince Governors for not making sharper lawes against such as whom the Prelates and their favourits haue falsly slaundered to be pestilent fellowes movers of sedition enemies to Caesar troublers and subverters Act. 24 5. Act 1. 16. 20. 17. 6. of the state puritanes and I whot nâ—t what chiefe mainteyners of the sect of the disciplinarians vnlesse I say hee should minde some such Prelatists I can not guesse any subiects within the land to be so vndutifull as to find fault with the Bishops for not attempting to bring our late Soveraigne Ladie the Queene deceased to theit excoÌ„munication And therefore to enforme the people of an Author and not to bring him foorth it argueth breadeth great suspicion that the enformer was the author himselfe Touching the loosenesse of some or of all in these dayes that are without the ExcommunicatioÌ„ toucheth them only which make professâ—on to be of the church Church if hee intend that they require discipline of sharper lawes by punishment of body and losse of goodes then excommunication and that they will more feare that maner of punishment I hold and affirme therein as he holdeth and affirmeth and yet I say that to the matter in question he hath fitted no other answer then as if he had answered a poke full of plummes or a buchet ful of peares for the controversie is not concerning those that are without but concerning those that are within not touching those that are not of the house-hold but touching them that are of the house-hold of faith and of God As for the first sort of which people the reverend Bishoppes with good leaue may procure what sharpe punishment they can devise for by the Church excommunicated they should never bee For how should any be thrust from the communion of the Church who neuer were in communion with the Church But it is to be feared that this sharpnes of punishment is not vrged so much to be inflicted vpon them that are without as vpon them that are within the bosome of the Church For though such as be without did a long time scorne sett naught by the sworde of excommunication whiche was not onely drawne out by the Chauncelours Commissaries and Officialls for every crust of bread and for every piece of bacon but also which was agayne put vpp for everie cracked grote and for everie Irish harper the reverend Bb. whose freehold by such coÌ„tempt was not touched were pacified and contented them selues well ynough by inflicting and releasing that manner of punishment but now for so much as they perceyue the children within the church to beginne seriously and religiouslie to stande against the vse of Lordlie and humane censures for the Crown Scepter of our Savior Christ and that the statelines of Prelacie must be taken one hole lower if the simplicitie of the holy ministerie bee exalted a degree higher they pretend Discipline by excoÌ„munication which is the sword of the sonne and heire of God to be too bluntlie pointed and too badlie edged to foyne or to strike withall Touching that very good manner of Discipline by the Ecclesiasticall commission which he saith hath done and doth daylie much good and would doe more if it were more common the people whom hee admonisheth haue iust cause of being desirous to vnderstande what manner of Discipline it is whiche Not one manner of Discipline vsâ—d by the ecclesiasticall coÌ„missioners is so highlie commended For all men know that the ecclesiastical commissioners vse not in all places and at all times one and the selfe same manner of Discipline For the same Commissioners for the same kinde of offences sometimes suspend sometimes depriue sometimes degrade sometimes excommunicate sometimes fine sometimes imprison sometimes commaund this penance sometimes that Nay sometimes having convented before them graue learned and godly Ministers for crimes supposed This Discipline was practised against maister Cartwhright Fenner Whight L. 〈◊〉 and others to be Ecclesiasticall for the same pretensed Ecclesiastical offences having deteyned them some yeares in durance for refusall of the oath ex officio in the end not having any other supposed iust cause of inflicting any punishment vpoÌ„ them by ecclesiasticall authoritie haue bin forced for a shewe to mainteyne their owne credites to cause accusations to be framed against theÌ„ by the Quenes Attourney in the high Court of Star-chamber as against violators of the dignities of the Royall Crowne whose innocencies by the verie witnesses produced by their meanes on the behalfe of the Queene haue notwithstanding bin fullie cleared from the faultes obiected and the Ministers discharged without any ordinarie punishment vsually infflicted by that Court vppon malefactours Nay further when the Ecclesiasticall Ecclesiastic discipline vsed by the high Commissioners against Ma. Vdall Commissioners had committed Maister Vdall to prison where hee remayned halfe a yeare for refusall of the oath ex officio touchinge his knowledge of the Author of a booke entituled The Demonstration in the end he was deliuered over as a fellon for makinge of the same booke and for the which hee was arayned and convicted and so died in prison
so to of the Church by Prelacie to be Monarchicall because the Queene was a Monarch and that the reverend Bishop governed vnder a Monarch then what did hee els but put a weapon into the handes of Pastors and Elders to prove their governement also to be Princelie and Monarchicall Because Pastors Elders desire not to haue that maner of governement to bee brought into the Church otherwise then by the Royall assent Souveraigne authoritie and expresse commandement of our most gratious King and Monarch Besids if any governement may be therefore saide to be a Monarchie because the same is derived from an earthly Monarch howe much more then may the governement of the Churches by Pastors and Elders be adiudged Monarchical by reason the same is deduced from our heavenly and everlasting Monarch For the reverend Bb. by their publike preachings apologeticall Ma. Horne Bishoppe of Winch. Ma. Iewell Bishop of Sali Mai. Bilson Bishoppe of Winch. writings testifie that power authoritie to ordeine and depose Ministers to excommunicate and to absolue to devise and to establishe rites and ceremonies in the church to define what is trueth to pronounce what is falsehood to determine what is schisme and to cōdemne what is heresie our reverend Bb. I say confesse this power to bee originallie decided vnto the true Bishoppes and Pastours of the Church from the Kinglie and Soveraine power of our Saviour Christ By what name therefore soever the gouvernment of Pastours and Elders in the Churches be called there is no manner of cause to dislike of the planting of that government in a Monarchie because the same is instituted by the Monarch of Monarches who is able and readie to vphold the state of al Monarchies in common weales togither with the state of Aristocracie in his No cause for a Monarch to feare that his Christian subiectes should haue the sence of Aristocracie in Church goverment Church Neither is there any cause for anie Monarch in the world to feare the making of christian commō people by familiar experience to haue the sence feeling of the principles and reasons of Aristocracie For if a people haue once submitted their necks to the yoke of Christ they can liue a peaceable godly life vnder all kinds of powers because they knowe all kind of powers to be the ordenance of God But especially there is not neyther euer was neyther euer can there be any cause for any King or Monarch of England greatly as the Admonitor insinuateth to feare that the common people will very easely transferre the principles and reasons of Aristocracie to the gouerment of the common weale and therevpon bee induced to thinke that they haue iniurie if they haue not as much to doe in civill matters as they haue in matters of the Church seeing they also touch their commoditie and benefit temporallie as the other doeth spirituallie And certes it seemeth that the Admonitor was drawen very drie of reason whē he was fayne to plucke this stake from the hedge to make a fire and to kindle the wrath of the Magistrate against the forme of discipline by Pastors and Elders For whether hee intendeth that the Pastors and Elders will thinke them selues to haue iniurie if they deale not in all causes of the commō weale as well as in all causes of their churches or whether he ment that the common people will easely transferre the government of the common weale from a Kingly Monarchie to a noble Aristocracie there is neither soothnes nor soundnes in his meaning For sithence Pastors disclaime to deale in civil matters the learned Ministers against the reuerend Bishopps by the holy rules of our faith mainteyne that it is not lawful for a Minister of the Gospell to exercise civill magistracy and that it is not lawfull for the man of God to bee intangled with the affaires of this life how is it probable that those Ministers will easely oppugne their owne knowledge by their owne cōtrary practise Or how is it probable that they would over-loade them selues with that burthen to ease the Church wherof they haue contentedly exposed thē selues into a number of reproches contempts bytings persecutions As for that other intendement of the Admonitors that it is greatlie to be feared that the commō people will easely transferre Monarchie vnto Democracie or Aristocracie if the principles and reason thereof by experience were made familiar in their minds this reason I say might seeme to carrie some shewe of affrighting a Monarch if the same were insinuated vnto a king whose people were neuer acquainted with the principles reasons of Democracie or Aristocracie but this feare being insinuated vnto our late Souveraigne Ladie the Queene whose people euer since the time they first begā to be a people haue had their witts long exercised with the The people of England haue their wits exercised with the sence of Democracie Aristocrarie sence and feeling of the reasons principles aswell of Democracie as also of Aristocracie what sence had the Admonitor to vrge this feare That in the Kingdome of Englande the common people haue alreadie the sence and feeling of the reasons principles of Democracie cannot be denied For in euerie cause almost aswell of criminall as ciuill iustice some few only excepted to be executed in the common weale by the common lawes of the Realm haue they not some hand and dealing in the same by one meanes or other Nay which is more haue they not the sence and feeling of the making and vnmaking their owne lawes in Parleament And is not their consultation in Parleament a mere Democraticall consultation As much also there is to bee avowed for the sence and feeling of the reasons and principles of Aristocracie to be alreadie in the minds of the Peres the Nobles the Iudges and other great men of the Realme For are not the Wisest the Noblest the Chiefest taken out of these by the King to bee of his Counsell and to be Iudges and Iusticers in his Courts Yea and is not their assembly also in Parleament a mere Aristocraticall assembly And what translation then is there greatly to be feared out of the Church to bee made into the common weale when the minds of all sorts of our common wealthes-men be already seasoned with the things which hee feareth And when the common weale is alreadie seysed of the principles and reasons which he would not haue familiarly known vnto it Wherefore that the King the Nobles and cōmons may no more be scarred with the strangenes of these vncouth and vnknowne greeke names of Democracie and Aristocracie writtē in his booke with great and capitall letters I haue thought it my duty by these presents to informe them that the govermēt of the church by Pastors and Elders nowe wanting amongst vs and desired to bee brought into the Church by the Souveraine authority of our King Nobles and commons in Parleament for the outward form
childes Baptisme should be of stone of pewter of brasse or of silver whether the Minister should descend to the lower ende or the childe ascend to the vpper end of the church Whether the child should haue a great handfull or a litle sponefull of water powred vpon his head In the celebration of the Lordes Supper it is directlie commaunded that the people shal stand sit or passe whether it should be celebrated every first or second Sabboth of the moneth whether in the morning at noone or at night In the ordination of Ministers there is no iust proofe to bee made that any certeyne number of Ministers are to lay on their hands that the day of ordination should be alwayes one that the Minister should bee of such an age or that the prayers should bee of this or of that lenght and forme of wordes And therefore touching these and such like thinges of indifferencie we agree with the Admonitor and reverend Bb. that one forme of externall orders rites ceremonies is not of necessitie to be in every Church because there is no such order witnessed by the holy Scriptures to bee of necessitie But touching the ioynt severall functions of Bishops Pastours and Elders that they or any of them should in any age or state of the church of Christ bee wanting or that such offices as by warrant of the Scripture are coupled together should be severed or that any other persons should be appointed to execute any functions in the Church then such persons only as for their functiōs haue warrant from the holy Scriptures wee can not in any sorte therevnto agree And why forsooth because all both offices and officers in the Church must only and alonely be derived from our Saviour Christ as from the only fountaine and bestower of all officers offices in the house of God And therefore albeit we should graunt as the Admonitor hath saide that the outward order vsed in the primitiue Church touching rites ceremonies by Bishops Pastors and Elders is neither necessarie nor so convenient as it may be otherwise in the time of peace vnder a Christian Magistrate yet we may not herevpō imply as his negatiue implieth viz. that Bishops Pastors Elders or any of them are neither necessary nor so convenient officers or governours as other officers of mans invention might be For which our opinion by the helpe of God wee shall assay as before hath bene mencioned in an other place to lay down out of the worde of God some iust proofes according to the Admonitors request that there ought to be in all ages and states of the Church this outwarde order forme of goverment viz. that Bishoppes Pastours and Elders ought evermore to bee spirituall governours and that evermore they and none other ought to vse that essentiall kind of spirituall goverment and none other which was practised by the Bishoppes Pastours and Elders in the Apostolicall and primitiue Church Allwayes leaving the outward rites and ceremonies of their spirituall kind of goverment to be indifferent as erst hath bene said FINIS Speaches vsed in the Parleament by Sir Francis Knolles and after written to my L. Treasurer Sir William Cecill TO the end I may enform your Lord shippe of my dealing in this Parleament-time against the vndue claimed superioritie of the Bishoppes ouer their inferior brethren Thus it was Because I was in the Parleament time in the 25. yere of King HENRY the eight In which time First all the Clergie aswell Bishops as others made an hūblie submission to King HENRIE the 8. acknowledging his Supremacie and detesting the vsurpation of the Bb. of Romes authoritie Vpō which submission of the Clergie the King gaue vnto the said Bb. the same ample rule that before they had vnder the Pope ouer their inferior brethrē saving that the same rule was abridged by statute by this parenthesis following that is to say without offending the prerogatiue Royal of the Crown of England the lawes customes of the Realm In the latter end of the Statute it was added that whosoeuer offendeth in any one parte of that statute their Aydors Counsellers and Abbetters they did all fall into the penaltie of the premunire And after I had recited this statute in the Parleamēt-house I declared that in King HENRIES the eight days after this There was no Bishoppe that did practise superioritie ouer their inferiour brethren And in King EDWARDES dayes the said Bb. obteyned a statute wherby they were authorised to keepe their Courts in the Kings name the which statute was repealed in Queene Maries dayes and was not revived in her Majesties time that now is wherevppon it was doubtfull to mee by what authoritie the Bishoppes doe keepe their Courts nowe in their own names because it is against the prerogatiue Royall of the Crowne of England that any should keepe a Court without sufficient warrant from the Crowne Wherevpon I was answered that the Bishopps do keepe their Courts now by prescriptions it is true that the Bb. may prescribe that King HENRY the 8. gaue them authoritie by the statute of 25. of his raigne to haue authoritie and rule ouer their inferiour brethren as ample as they had in the Popes time But this was no speciall warrant for them to keep their Courts by and that in their owne names And yet they haue none other warrāt to keep their Courts as they do now in their owne names to my knowledge And this was the cause that made them obtaine a statute in King EDWARDS dayes to keepe their Courts by in the Kings name Now it is a strange allegation that the Bishopps should claime authoritie at this present to keepe their Courtes in their owne names as they do by prescription because the statute of 25. doth restraine thē generallie from offending of the prerogatiue Royall of the Crowne of Englande and the lawes and customes of the Realm And no man may iustly keepe a Court without a speciall warrant from the Crowne of England as is aforesaid And the generall libertie given by King H. the 8. to the Bishops to rule and governe as they did in the Popes time is no sufficient warrant to the Bishops to keepe their owne Courtes in their owne names by prescriptiō as I take it And therefore the Bishops had done wisely if they had sought a warrant by statute to keepe their Courts in the Queenes name as the Bb. did in Kinge EDWARDS dayes In which time Archbishop Crammer did cause Peter Martir and Bucer to come over into this Realme to bee placed in the two Vniversities for the better instructiō of the Vniversities in the worde of God And Bb. Crammer did humblie prefer these learned men without any challenge to him selfe of any superiour rule in this behalfe over his inferiour brethren And the time hath bin that no man could carry away any graūt frō the Crown of England by general words but that he must haue speciall wordes to carrie the same by Therfore how the Bb. are warrāted to carry away the keeping of their Courts in their own names by prescriptiō it passeth my vnderstāding Moreover where as your Lordship said vnto me that the Bishopps haue forsaken their claime of superioritie over their inferiour brethrē latelie to bee by Gods ordinance and that now they doe only claime superioritie from her Majesties supreme goverment If this be true then is it requisite necessarie that my L. of Canterburie that now is do recant and retract his saying in his booke of the great volume against Cartwright where he saith in plaine wordes by the name of Doctour Whitgift that the superioritie of Bb. is Gods owne institution Which saying doth impugne her Majesties supreme govermēt directlie therfore it is to be retracted plainly and truly For Christ plainly truly cōfesseth Ioh. 18. 36. That his Kingdom was not of this world And therfore he gaue no worldly rule or proheminence to his Apostles but the heavenly rule which was to preach the Gospel saying Ite predicate in omnem mundū quicūque crediderit baptizatus fuerit salvus erit qui non crediderit condemnabitur Goe preach in all the world who soever shall beleeue be Baptized shal be saved but he that will not beleeue shal be condemned Mark 16. 15. But the Bishops do cry out saying that Cartwright his fellows would haue no goverment c. So belike the Bb. care for no govermēt but for wordly forcible goverment over their brethren the which Christ never gaue to his Disciples nor Apostles but made them subiect to the rule of Princes who ought not to be resisted saving that they might aunswer vnto Princes that they must rather obey God then men Acts. 5. 29. and yet in no wise to resist the Prince but to take vp the crosse and follow Christ FINIS
did appertayne we leaue it to be considered whether the right to nominate elect ordayne for that time onelie might not hereafter devolve vnto the presbyterie as in like case it hath done heeretofore vnto the Bb. And from that Presbyterie if the same should make default that the benifice should be then in lapse vnto the King Lastly touching the nonhabilitie of A Clerke wronged by a refusall for nonabilitie how he may be releued a Clerke if the Clerke whom the presbytery should refuse come from one of the Vniversities then as a Clerke before time refused for non abilitie by the Bb. was to be tried by the Archbishop and by him to be alowed or disalowed so in this case we leaue it to be cōsidered whether it were not meete that this Clerke so refused and complayning himselfe vnto the Magistrate to bee wronged should haue his abilitie to bee againe tried by that next Synode of Ministers to be cōgregated within that Deanry And if vpon triall made and bringing a testimoniall vnder some authentike seale from the Synode of his habilitie whether the Presbyterie vpon a good peyne within a time to bee prefixed should not be constreined to ordeyne and dedicate A Clerk refused for crime to vvhom the nomination may devolve the same Clerke to the ministerie of the same Church And as for the refusall of a Clerke by the Presbyterie vpon obiection of crime if the crime be so haynous as for which by the canons of the church he might not be promoted to the Ministery then is it to be cōsidered whether the presbytery in this case also as in the former of nonhability might not nominate elect and ordeyne the Clerke to that place for that time only and vpon the presbyteries default the lease also to be vnto the King And thus haue we cōpared the manner of church gouerment now in vse touching these points with that forme of Discipline which is desired to bee planted By which cōparison the Kings The benefits ensuing the platform of ordination c. required Highnes may very easely discerne the differences betweene them to be such as whereby the Kings dignity and prerogatiue shall highly be aduanced the Kings poore subiects both Ministers people diuers wayes eased vnburdened the lawes better obserued to the vnspeakeable peace trāquilitie both of church common weale The Prophets triall of the Prophetes the peoples approbation of their Pastours the Ministers entrance into their Ministerie according to the Apostolicall practise of the primitive church would be a meanes vtterly to extinguish that schisme that remaineth yet among vs that we haue no Christian Ministers no Christian Sacramentes no Christian Church in England Besides the Ministers for letters of orders letters of institution letters of inductions for licences to serue within the Diocesse for licences to serue in such a cure for licences to serue two cures in one day for licences to preach for licences of resignation for testimonials of subscription for letters of sequestration for letters of relaxatiō for the Chancelours Registers Somners diners for Archidiaconal annuall and for Episcopall trieniall procuratiōs the Ministers I say to bee nominated elected ordeyned approved confirmed and admitted by the Patrone by the Presbyterie by the People and by the King should be disburdened from all fees for these things and from all these and such and such like grievances Onlie for the Kings writts and for the traveyle and peynes of his Highnes Officers taken in and about the execution of the same writts some reasonable fees as it shal please the King may be taxed and set down The people also in soules in bodies and in their goods could not but be much comforted relieved and benefited They should not hencefoorth to the perill of their soules haue vnlearned vnable and vndiscreete Ministers thrust vpon them and set over them Neither should they be compelled vpō light occasions to take many frivoulous oathes in vaine They should not be summoned from one end of the Diocesse vnto the other nor bee posted from court to court from visitation to visitation The Churchwardens and sidemen of every Parish should not vpō peine of excommunication be constreyned once or twise in the yeare to pay six or eight pence for a sheet of three halfepeny articles They shall not any longer out of the common treasurie reserved for the poore beare the charge of their Parishes for making bills visitation divers other expenses There should be no more suits at law betwene Clerke and Clerke about the Patrons title no more suites of double quarell betwene the Clerke and the Bishop no more debate betwene the Bishop and the Archdeacon and lastly there should be no occasion of any riots and vnlawfull assemblies to bee made vpon entries and possessions by vertue and colour of two presentations two institutions and two inductions into one benefice at one time The Patrones as being Lords and avowers of the Churches might haue the custodie of the Churches during their vacancies and their ancient right in this behalfe restored All swearing of canonicall obedience vnto the Bishops by the Ministers all swearing and forswearing of Clerks for any symoniacal bandes promises or agreemēts betwene them and their Patrones and all robberies 31. Eliz. c. 6 and spoyling of the Churches by the Patrones should determine cease Especially if it might please the King Parleament to haue one clause of a statute against abuses in electiō of Schollers and presentation to benefices enlarged For although euerie corrupt cause consideration by reward gift profit or benefite to present be inhibited by that act yet notwithstanding by experience in many places we finde that the Patrones for small rentes and for many yeres are in possessiō some of the mansiō houses some of the glebe lands and some of the tythes of such benefices as since the publishing of that act haue bin bestowed vpon Clerks which breedeth great suspicion and ielouzie in the mindes of men that the Clerke and Patrone at the beginning directly or indirectlie did conspire to frustrate and delude the intendement of the statute And therefore wee leaue it to be considered by the Kinges Maiestie and Parleament If any Clerke after confirmation possession A meanes to restraine patrons from corruption to any benefice hereafter to bee made and given vnto him shall willinglie and wittingly suffer the Patrone of the same benefice or any other person in his name or to his vse directly or indirectly mediatly or immediatly to vse occupie or enioy the mansion house gleebe land or other ecclesiasticall commodities or any part thereof belonging to the same benefice In this case I say we leaue it to be considered whether it were not meete convenient that every such willing and witting sufferance by the Clerke and every such willing and witting possession vse or occupation by the Patrone should not be adiudged to be a iust cause to determine
the presentation to haue bin first made vpon corrupt respect and consideration And that therefore the Clerke ipso facto to loose the benefice and the Patrone ipso facto to forfeyte his right of patronage to the King for the two next turnes following And these being the principall reasons and groundes of our desires we are humbly to pray the Lordes spirituall either to convince them of indignitie insufficiencie and incongruitie or else to ioyne with vs vnto the Kinges Maiestie for the restitution of that maner of governement which they themselues confesse to haue bene practised at the beginning by the Apostles primitiue Church but the Admonitor hath yet moe reasons vnanswered against this platforme Admonition That euerie Parish in Englande may haue a learned discrete Minister howsoeuer they dreame of perfection no man is able in these days to deuise how to bring it to passe and especially when by this change of the Clergy the great rewards of learning shall bee taken away and men therby discouraged to bring vpp their children in the study of good letters Assertion In some part to iustifie this opinion I graunt that no man is able in these dayes to devise to bring it to passe that every Parish should haue a learned and discrete Minister And why because in these dayes not any one Bishop hath afforded to ordeyne one learned and discrete Minister for fiue Parishes secondlie because where some of the reverend Fathers haue ordayned and placed in many Parishes many learned and discrete Ministers some others of the same Fathers haue againe disgraded and displaced those learned and discrete Ministers in their romes haue placed manie vnlearned and vndiscreet Ministers Now then if these dayes wherein so few learned discrete Ministers so many vnlearned vndiscreet Ministers be ordeyned wherin also so many learned discreet Ministers are disgraced so many vndiscreet vnlearned Ministers graced If these daies I say were ended then albeit no perfection whereof never any one of vs dreamed could bee atteyned vnto and albeit no one man were able to devise how to bring it to passe that every Parish should haue a learned Minister Yet nevertheles all good and holy meanes being vsed to ayme and to shoote after perfection all good and holy men laying to their heads and applying their hearts to further this enterprise and service vnto God wee knowe that the Lord might call and make and fill with the Spirit of God in wisedome and in vnderstanding and in knowlege and in spirituall work-manship many Bezaliels and many Aholiabs spirituallie to karue graue and imbroyder the Lords spirituall Temple The perfection therefore after which we long and the change of the Clergie whereof we intreate is but such a perfection and such a change as good meanes for the restitution of impropriations beeing vsed may easily bee atteyned and well made What perfection of a Minister is required by this platforme For the perfection required by vs to be in a Minister is none other then such as the holy law of God and the lawes canons and iniunctions already setled doe require viz. that every Minister to whō cure of soules is committed with some competent knowlege according to the measure of the grace of the gift of Christ be able to teach to exhort and to reproue the people yea and to convince the gainesayers if any should arise among them From whence also springeth the change intended by vs. viz. that in the Churches of all Ministers vnable to teach c. There might bee a change of Ministers able to teach c. Wherefore if the Admonitour ment otherwise then wee intend and if vppon placing a learned and discrete Minister in every Parish hee should not intende the change of an vnlearned and vndiscreet Clergie but a change of the high and Papall state of Prelacie then either is not his aunswere pertinent to the question or else it must necessarily follow from his intendemēt that the high and Papall state of Prelacie and the placing of a learned and Prelacy a learned Ministery can not stād together discrete Minister in every Parish are like vnto Coleworts planted among Vines or vnto Parsly sowed among Bishoppes Weede which will never spring grow and prosper together Because the rising of such a learned Ministerie must be the fall ruine and break necke of Prelacy And this followeth inevitable vpon his owne reason drawen from the taking away of the great rewardes of learning by the change of the Clergie For the great rewardes of learninge whereof he speaketh must of necessitie be the Prelacies viz. Archbishoprickes Bishopricks Deanries Archdeaconries Prebendaries Canonries Chanterships Commendames non Residencies and Pluralities And then lett vs obserue whether in effect hee hath not reasoned thus If Prelacies beeing the great rewardes of learning should not stand not be changed there is no man able to devise how a learned and discreet Minister may be placed in euery parish but if Prelacies the great rewardes of learning may once be chāged not stand then were it possible to haue it deuised that a learned and discreete Minister might bee placed in euery parishe And then hath he not profoundlie and learnedlie disputed when he hath preferred the Damsell before her Dame and the mayd before her Mistris When he hath aduaunced a great deale of learninge in one before a great deale of learninge in many and learning in some places before learning in all places lastlie when by continuance and furtherance of the great rewards of learning he hath greatlie hindered discōtinued learnednes and greatly furthered and cōtinued vnlearnednes For if Prelacies were no hinderances but only furtherances of discreet and learned Ministers and agayne if Prelacies were no furtherances but onlie hinderances of vnlearned vndiscreet ministers to be had in every parish then might the great rewardes of learning still remayne and men should not be discouraged to send their sonnes to the studie of good learning For generallie mē be not so much incouraged to set their sonnes to learninge where a few great rewardes of learning are provided for a few men greatly learned as where many good rewardes of learning are provided for many good learned mē are more encouraged to learning where many good rewardes then where fewe great rewards are provided men And to speake as experience teacheth vs and as the trueth is what one father among twentie will dedicate his sonne to learning if men as the case now stādeth vnder Prelacie not broght vp at the feete of Gamaliel but at the feete of some swashbuckler not taught from any Doctors chayre but schooled vpon some craftes man stoole when mē who can but read and can not preache may be Ministers capable of the fattest benefice within a whole Countie In the common weale if there be manie places of honor profite dignitie for such onlie as haue valiantly served the King in his warres or