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A48963 Logikē latreia the reasonablenesse of divine service : or non-conformity to common-prayer, proved not conformable to common reason : in answer to the contrary pretensions of H. D. in a late discourse concerning the interest of words in prayer and liturgies / by Ireneus Freeman ... Freeman, Ireneus. 1661 (1661) Wing L2841; ESTC R1576 82,822 110

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Remembrancers The same may be said of the usual names of the moneths and dayes of the week which do include the names of heathenish Gods and Goddesses which some have taken much pains to shew and presse for the credit of Mr. Jesse's Almanack But his Almanack would be needlesse except these things were first pressed by such tinkerly Reformers who make work that so they may mend it For who thinks of Venus when he mentions Friday though Frea signifie the same And who thinks of keeping a Feast to Saturn when he celebrates the Nativity of our Saviour or of honouring Flora in a May pole None I dare say or but very few excepting such as have been endroctrinated by the said Reformers No more then a man means to swear by Hercules when he saith or writeth Mehercule which I am sure I have met with in Theological discourses made by Authors never suspected of any good inclination to Popery or other Idolatry In like manner who thinks of the Lady of Loretto or other Popish Idols in reading of the Liturgy Only the discourse I oppose is the direct way to effect that which they pretend to prevent I have argued all this while upon the Authors supposition That the worship of the Church of Rome in the whole complex is idolatrous But they might more properly say that a bushel filled half with wheat and half with rye is a bushel of wheat or that a Sermon is nonsentical in the whole complex if some few phrases of it be non-sense or that a Translation is erroneous in the whole complex if there be some few Errata's in it Whosoever faith a Blackamore is white ih the whole complex according to my Criticks tels a lye though he be white in his teeth I might also add that the Papists in the grossest part of their idolatry in adoration of the bread are justified by a Principle which the Non-conformists or most of them do maintain and their idolatry is but the lawful emprovement of this Principle viz. That Reason is not to judge what points are to be received as articles of faith and what not For this principle being supposed there is no warrant to interpret those words figuratively This is my body since all the warrant which is pretended is that the literal sense is repugnant to Reason which pronounceth it absolutely impossible that one body should be in two places at once But according to this Hypothesis of the exclusion of reason from the judgement seat the Papist might reply Indeed my reason tels me that it is impossible but the Scripture saith This is my body and therefore I ought not to mince the words at the command of reason which hath nothing to do in matters of faith Indeed the Scripture saith the Body of Christ is in heaven but I believe it is on earth too at the Eucharist Nothing but Reason gain-sayes and she hath nothing to do to judge in the case What can a man that goes on this Principle reply to the so much condemned Idolater Out of his own mouth he is confuted He laid down the doctrine and the other makes the natural and genuine use Those therefore which hold this principle cannot judge the action of the Papists in adoring the Bread to be idolatrous without self-contradiction and if they will act according to their light this second Reason signifies nothing to them though it may to others I cannot conclude my notes on their second Reason without reflecting upon another extracted from the same Topick and by what they have said upon this Reason rendered more creditable to the unwary and half observing Reader For they have sprinkled in several pages of their book many shrewd hints as if the Liturgy ushered in the Masse and conformity were a step toward Popery As page 67. We know that those Ministers and people who are most zealous against Popery are most averse to this Liturgy But a zeal for any cause except it be bridled by discretion and attended with an equal pace of strength is not the way to protect it but to betray it We saw lately that the States-men which were most zealous for the good old Cause lost it and the King had not better friends then his most implacable enemies Fury is as bad in a Champion as torpour it is an even temperature of wisdom and valour which doth the execution A sober Protestant though he rageth lesse shall prevail more on a Papist then a mad Fanatick The greatest part of the zeal against Popery which is found among the Non-conformists is like that of one frantick who wounds himself while he would strike his foe They are mad against Popery but they cannot tell why they cannot confute it without condemning themselves as I could prove in many Instances This unguided zeal will be sure to run far enough from Popery and so runs into it as he that sails round the Globe the further he goes after he is half way the nearer he approacheth to the place from whence he set out Thus the Quakers a considerable part of the Non-conformists rayled at Popery till they began to be taken for Jesuites or their disciples I have heard of several Papists that have turned Protestants by the reasonings of men zealous for the Liturgy But I professe unfainedly I never heard of one that of late years was won by any Non-conformist excepting by Mr. Baxter And I believe he would have been as unsuccessful as others but that he goes upon more moderate principles Me thinks the example of Doctor Cosens now Bishop of Durham once most suspected of Popery for his zeal for the Liturgy and yet exercising a no lesse couragious then considerate zeal against Popery in the time of his exile methinks I say this example alone were sufficient not only to stop the mouth of calumny in this particular but to non-plus jealousie it self I confesse in some things the Conformists come nearer to the Papists then others but it is as Souldiers make their approaches to the enemy to fight with him and are therefore many times thought to fall away but when they return with their spoils captives and Trophees none is so hard-faced as to maintain the suspition Mr. Baxter himself it is known hath not only been suspected but verily believed to be a Papist and that by some Rabbi's meerly for his conceding some Positions to the Papists which no reasonable and just man can deny them whereby he hath done more to the shaking of the very foundations of the Papal Sea then all the Non-conformists that ever mannaged the Controversie which I ever heard of But I have so much to say upon this subject that it would require a Book by it self Doctor Sanderson in both his Prefaces to his Sermons hath shewed how much service is done to the Pope by the Non-conformists in many particulars where the Reader may be satisfied concerning the falsenesse of that which they affirm page 109. 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