Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	devil_n	sin_n	will_n	3,019	5	7.7910	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A15733	An ansvvere to a popish pamphlet, of late newly forbished, and the second time printed, entituled: Certaine articles, or forcible reasons discouering the palpable absurdities, and most notorious errors of the Protestants religion. By Anthony Wotton	Wotton, Anthony, 1561?-1626.; Wright, Thomas, d. 1624. Certaine articles or forcible reasons.	1605 (1605)	STC 26002; ESTC S120304	112,048	194

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stomach_n he_o be_v so_o much_o trouble_v with_o it_o art_n 5_o in_o the_o extravagant_a syllogism_n art_n 4._o the_o three_o point_n and_o here_o it_o make_v a_o whole_a article_n the_o principal_a syllogism_n be_v thus_o to_o be_v frame_v if_o david_n l●st_v his_o faith_n than_o faith_n once_o have_v may_v be_v lose_v but_o david_n lose_v his_o faith_n therefore_o faith_n once_o have_v may_v be_v lose_v the_o assumption_n of_o this_o syllogism_n he_o offer_v to_o prove_v in_o this_o manner_n papist_n whosoever_o leese_v his_o charity_n leese_v his_o faith_n a._n a._n but_o david_n when_o he_o kill_v urias_n lose_v his_o charity_n ergo_fw-la david_n when_o he_o kill_v urias_n lose_v his_o faith_n the_o mayor_n be_v a_o principle_n undoubted_a of_o in_o the_o school_n of_o protestant_n for_o they_o peremptory_o affirm_v that_o true_a faith_n such_o as_o be_v in_o david_n one_o of_o god_n elect_v can_v no_o more_o be_v sever_v from_o charity_n than_o heat_n from_o fire_n or_o light_n 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it_o be_v the_o express_a word_n of_o god_n qui_fw-la non_fw-la diligit_fw-la manet_fw-la in_o morte_fw-la he_o that_o lo●eth_v not_o his_o neighbour_n remain_v in_o death_n but_o certain_a it_o be_v that_o david_n love_v not_o urias_n when_o he_o kill_v he_o ergo_fw-la likewise_o certain_a it_o be_v that_o david_n remain_v in_o death_n the_o same_o position_n may_v easy_o be_v prove_v out_o of_o ezekiel_n 24._o ezech._n c._n 18._o ver_fw-la 24._o si_fw-mi autem_fw-la a●erterit_fw-la se_fw-la iustus_fw-la a_o iusticia_fw-la sva_fw-la etc._n etc._n protestant_n whosoever_o lose_v his_o charity_n lose_v his_o faith_n if_o by_o charity_n 10._o a._n rom._n 13._o 10._o you_o understand_v a_o absolute_a be_v without_o sanctification_n which_o be_v signify_v by_o charity_n because_o love_n be_v the_o fulfil_n of_o the_o law_n your_o proposition_n be_v true_a but_o your_o assumption_n be_v false_a if_o thereby_o you_o mean_v not_o perform_v some_o act_n of_o charity_n or_o do_v the_o 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