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A01584 The fearfull fansies of the Florentine couper: written in Toscane, by Iohn Baptista Gelli, one of the free studie of Florence, and for recreation translated into English by W. Barker. Pensoso d'altrui. Sene & allowed according to the order apointed; Capricci del bottaio. English Gelli, Giovanni Battista, 1498-1563.; Barker, William, fl. 1572. 1568 (1568) STC 11710; ESTC S117140 94,540 286

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I cā not tel but this I sée there dieth so many yong y ● there remaines but a fewe olde Soule Now thou telst a pretie thing must not all die at length Iust Well I will graunt thée that olde age hath not more of these daungerous infirmities than hath any other age but of certaine coughes catarres palseis and other diseases which yong men haue not and olde men be full what sayst thou now Soule I say vnto thée that they rather come of them selues than of age Iust How so Soule If thou considerest well the life of suche as now be or haue bene in that age thou shalt know it of thy selfe for thou shalt finde them men which either not cōsidering their age and how lesse their power is to that they were yong they wil drinke and eate as muche as they were wont or peraduenture more whereby nature for that occasion not being hable to make disgestion genders in them that superfluitie that causeth these accidents or else in their youth haue made so many disorders y t they haue gotten these euyls which shew them selues in age whē they be more weak of nature but an olde man that considereth well his vertue howe muche and what it is and liues orderly thervnto eating and drynkyng onely so much as may restore his strēgth and not oppresse hym would lyue muche more hole than a yong mā And thou knowest I haue many times taughte thée what way to vse in it Iust Then if an olde man wyll be hole he must marke so many things as he shal lose all his cōtentation for so thou hast confessed of thy selfe that this other blame whiche we gyue to this age that it takes away all pleasure is not giuen for naught Soule Let vs procede in order that thou maist se thou hast not yet caught me Doest thou not remember that that I haue said an other time that eating and drinkyng and other thyngs cōming of some lack be no pleasures but as a man hath néede for when he is suffised they be vnpleasant to him Iust If these be no pleasures there be ynow of other that are taken from hir that she may well be blamed and without respect Soule Rather ought she to be praysed most for if thou considerest well she depriues only those that be reprouable in other ages Iust That will not I graunte for a man that can haue no pleasure in the world is as though he wer not Soule True but what vnderstandest thou by pleasure Iust Those delightes whyche the things of the world bring with them Knowest thou not that thou art like one born yesterday yet ther be many yeres since we first met together Soule If thou vnderstandest of those pleasures that eatyng and drinkyng bringeth idlenesse with those vaine wanton thoughts that procede of it Iust Of what thinkst thou I meane of those that we haue by fasting or labor or wasting our selues with study as some fooles doe Soule Thou art much deceiued rather I say vnto thée that nature hath not giuen to men as Archita the Tarentine said if thou remember of his life for I know thou haste red it ofte a greater nor more hurtfull euil than pleasure and delight of the body Iust Thou sayest so perhaps bicause the least parte is thine Soule Rather bicause the truthe is so wherof comes for the moste parte treasons of the Countrey ruines of cities enimities of men other wickednesse murders rauine of richesse and adulteries but of volupt and delight which so muche blinde men with their entisement and alluring that taking from them the vse of reason they he turned into beastes Iust O reason yet it feareth not them as thou doest say Soule There is no suche enimie as pleasure which of good reasō was called of wise mē the bait of al euil For where the senses rule reason hath no place no vertue is foūd in them that be giuen to the pray of their gorge to wine to sléepe those idlenesse of the which groweth among vs a thousand vaine and vnprofitable cares which kepe vs alwaies after with our face to the earthe like the brute beastes which lacke reason Thinkest thou then that age is to be blamed when she defends vs from greater enimies ▪ taking from them that force wherewith they offende Iust If it were as thou sayest but graunt there is one man that hath no plesure is not he in déede as he were not aliue or as a thing wtout sense Soule Yes But she takes not all alwayes from men but only those that be common with other beastes Iust Then what be they y e remain Soule All they that be properlye méete for menne and be permitted is by reson which principally be those delights that be taken of operations which rise in a man of those partes that haua in them diuinenesse Iust Which be those Soule All the speculatiōs and exercises vertuous Iust If I shold always be occupied in like things after thée my seruitude shold be too great thou knowest somtime I would haue some comfort Soule I wil not denie thée it so that thou passe not reasonable termes but I will say vnto thée that delight that is taken in eating and drinking and talking withthy frends is much more acceptable to olde age than to the other ages Iust What is the cause Soule Bicause there is in olde men more moderate appetite they fall not into dronkennesse or any other alteration of the minde as yong men do which haue their willes disordinate if they haue not in their youth made thē selues worse Further they know to reason of more things and better by the meane of time and experience and better enioye the conuersation of men with much more swéetenesse imbrace the presence of them than yong men do For of their péeres they be honoured and of their lesse they be reuerenced Whiche thyng bryngs them no small delight Iust If they haue séene many things they remember few bicause memory in that age diminisheth much Soule Yea in them that exercise it not which is a vice of maner not of age as in many of them to be suspicious to be couetous tedious prayser of time past estemer of himself more than other and other like wants but when she loseth any of hir strength there increaseth so much for it in wit and iudgement that they supply fully for hir the fruits which bring much more pleasure to olde men than doth armure horsses huntings daunces and such other that delites yōg men Of the pleasures of Venus I will not reason séeing ther is nothing causeth more errors in mā than it But these things that I speake Iust come not to all olde men but to them only that haue so liued in other ages that their reputation and yeres haue encreased in them a like Iust Which be they tell me Soule The greater parte that thou sholdest not think they wer as white crowes for who so euer liueth