what_o be_v yet_o want_v to_o the_o faithful_a depart_v or_o to_o such_o as_o be_v alive_a at_o the_o suit_n &_o supplication_n of_o the_o holy_a patriarch_n prophet_n apostle_n etc._n etc._n for_o see_v it_o be_v confess_v by_o we_o that_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n do_v pray_v for_o we_o in_o a_o generality_n we_o may_v desire_v of_o god_n the_o grant_v of_o such_o thing_n as_o we_o or_o other_o need_v not_o only_o upon_o our_o own_o suit_n but_o much_o more_o for_o that_o there_o be_v so_o many_o supplyants_n to_o he_o for_o we_o not_o in_o earth_n alone_o but_o in_o heaven_n also_o though_o without_o sense_n or_o knowledge_n of_o our_o particular_a want_n so_o that_o there_o be_v nothing_o find_v in_o chrysostome_n either_o touch_a prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a or_o invocation_n of_o saint_n that_o make_v any_o thing_n for_o the_o confirmation_n of_o popish_a error_n for_o neither_o do_v chrysostome_n in_o that_o liturgy_n pray_v for_o the_o ease_n of_o man_n in_o purgatory_n neither_o do_v he_o invocate_v any_o saint_n but_o call_v upon_o god_n only_o though_o not_o without_o hope_n of_o be_v hear_v the_o rather_o for_o that_o not_o only_o the_o faithful_a on_o earth_n but_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n also_o make_v petition_n for_o he_o but_o master_n higgon_n ask_v 33._o why_o i_o conceal_v these_o thing_n to_o who_o i_o answer_v that_o i_o do_v not_o conceal_v any_o of_o they_o for_o howsoever_o cite_v some_o other_o part_n of_o chrysostom_n liturgy_n to_o another_o purpose_n i_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o bring_v in_o these_o passage_n be_v altogether_o impertinent_a to_o my_o purpose_n and_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n yet_o in_o other_o place_n i_o have_v show_v at_o large_a the_o ancient_a practice_n in_o all_o these_o thing_n and_o therefore_o this_o seduce_a runagate_n who_o satan_n the_o tempter_n have_v beguile_v have_v no_o reason_n to_o compare_v i_o to_o the_o tempter_n leave_v out_o certain_a word_n in_o the_o text_n he_o allege_v unto_o christ._n §._o 5._o in_o the_o next_o place_n he_o 34._o object_v to_o we_o the_o heresy_n of_o aerius_n condemn_v by_o augustine_n among_o many_o other_o impious_a heresy_n and_o augustine_n conclusion_n that_o whosoever_o maintain_v any_o of_o the_o heretical_a opinion_n condemn_v by_o he_o be_v no_o catholic_a christian_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o this_o censure_n touch_v we_o very_o near_o but_o that_o i_o demean_v myself_o plausible_o and_o artificial_o to_o avoid_v the_o pressure_n of_o that_o difficulty_n which_o be_v too_o heavy_a for_o i_o to_o bear_v whereunto_o i_o brief_o answer_v that_o i_o demean_v not_o myself_o artificial_o to_o avoid_v the_o force_n of_o any_o truth_n which_o i_o esteem_v &_o value_n above_o all_o treasure_n in_o the_o world_n but_o in_o all_o sincerity_n unfold_v those_o thing_n which_o papist_n seek_v to_o wrap_v up_o in_o perplex_a and_o intricate_a dispute_n to_o the_o entangle_v of_o the_o reader_n for_o i_o show_v that_o the_o name_n of_o the_o name_n of_o the_o depart_a the_o offering_n of_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o praise_n for_o they_o the_o pray_v for_o their_o resurrection_n public_a acquittal_n &_o perfect_a consummation_n and_o bliss_n in_o the_o day_n of_o christ_n yea_o the_o pray_n for_o their_o deliverance_n from_o the_o hand_n of_o hell_n &_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o lion_n &_o the_o utter_a deletion_n &_o remission_n of_o their_o sin_n respective_o to_o their_o passage_n hence_o &_o first_o entrance_n into_o the_o other_o world_n be_v not_o dislike_v by_o we_o and_o that_o thus_o far_o the_o general_a intention_n of_o the_o church_n extend_v but_o that_o to_o pray_v for_o the_o deliverance_n of_o man_n out_o of_o hell_n or_o for_o the_o mitigation_n or_o suspension_n of_o the_o punishment_n that_o be_v in_o hell_n be_v but_o the_o private_a devotion_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n doubtful_o &_o eroneous_o extend_v the_o public_a prayer_n of_o the_o church_n far_a than_o they_o be_v mean_v and_o intend_v by_o she_o and_o that_o in_o this_o particular_a they_o fall_v from_o the_o truth_n which_o if_o m._n theophilus_n higgon_n shall_v deny_v &_o justify_v such_o kind_n of_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a we_o will_v be_v bold_a to_o call_v he_o by_o his_o new_a name_n theomisus_fw-la but_o he_o be_v desirous_a 3._o to_o know_v of_o i_o or_o any_o other_o without_o lie_n obscurity_n and_o circuition_n whether_o cyrill_n of_o jerusalem_n concur_v absolute_o with_o the_o papist_n in_o this_o point_n of_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o augustine_n agree_v with_o he_o fall_v away_o from_o the_o truth_n or_o not_o that_o he_o profess_v himself_o a_o enemy_n to_o lie_n obscurity_n and_o circuition_n the_o best_a sanctuary_n of_o their_o evil_a cause_n i_o great_o marvel_v &_o fear_n that_o if_o he_o give_v over_o the_o advantage_n which_o he_o and_o his_o companion_n be_v wont_a to_o make_v thereof_o this_o his_o first_o book_n will_v be_v his_o last_o but_o in_o that_o he_o say_v cyrill_n of_o jerusalem_n concur_v absolute_o with_o the_o papist_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o augustine_n with_o he_o he_o do_v as_o beseem_v he_o for_o he_o utter_v lie_n and_o untruth_n which_o before_o unaduised_o he_o condemn_v for_o first_o it_o be_v most_o certain_a that_o catechesâ—…_n cyrill_n make_v but_o two_o sort_n of_o man_n depart_v out_o of_o this_o life_n sinner_n &_o righteous_a and_o that_o he_o think_v as_o chrysostome_n also_o do_v and_o after_o they_o damascene_fw-la &_o many_o other_o that_o wicked_a and_o sinful_a man_n in_o hell_n may_v find_v some_o ease_n &_o be_v relieve_v by_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_n but_o of_o purgatory_n he_o speak_v not_o touch_v augustine_n he_o dissent_v altogether_o from_o this_o opinion_n of_o chrysostome_n cyrill_n and_o damascene_fw-la &_o 110._o think_v that_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o church_n for_o such_o as_o excel_v in_o goodness_n be_v thanksgiving_n to_o god_n for_o such_o as_o die_v impenitent_o in_o grievous_a sin_n comfort_n of_o the_o live_n but_o no_o help_n of_o the_o dead_a for_o those_o that_o be_v neithâ—…_n exceed_o good_a nor_o exceed_a evil_n propitiation_n and_o mean_n to_o obtain_v favour_n and_o remission_n but_o whether_o they_o of_o this_o middle_a sort_n be_v in_o any_o penal_a estate_n after_o death_n or_o whether_o by_o the_o mercy_n of_o god_n and_o work_v of_o his_o grace_n the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_a accompany_v they_o they_o be_v free_v from_o sin_n and_o the_o punishment_n of_o it_o in_o the_o first_o entrance_n into_o the_o other_o world_n he_o resolve_v nothing_o and_o therefore_o there_o be_v no_o cause_n why_o this_o good_a man_n 113._o reflect_v as_o he_o say_v upon_o my_o assertion_n shall_v be_v amaze_v to_o behold_v such_o a_o repugnancy_n between_o these_o thing_n to_o wit_n augustine_n run_v doubt_o into_o the_o opinion_n of_o purgatory_n and_o yet_o he_o affirm_v there_o be_v no_o doubt_n but_o that_o some_o sin_n be_v remit_v in_o the_o other_o world_n and_o tâ—…at_v some_o soul_n may_v be_v relieve_v by_o prayer_n for_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o wise_a man_n than_o mastâ—…r_n higgon_n these_o thing_n imply_v no_o contradiction_n and_o therefore_o the_o grecian_n admit_v the_o latter_a of_o they_o and_o yet_o deny_v purgatory_n yea_o in_o their_o apology_n touch_v purgatory_n they_o say_v if_o there_o be_v remission_n of_o sin_n after_o this_o life_n there_o be_v no_o endure_v of_o the_o punishment_n due_a to_o sin_n it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o have_v remission_n of_o a_o sin_n or_o fault_n and_o another_o to_o suffer_v the_o extremity_n of_o punishment_n it_o deserve_v that_o there_o be_v therefore_o remission_n of_o sin_n of_o a_o middle_a sort_n of_o man_n after_o this_o life_n in_o the_o entrance_n into_o the_o other_o world_n augustine_n make_v no_o doubt_n and_o to_o that_o purpose_n he_o allege_v the_o say_n of_o christ_n concern_v the_o sin_n that_o be_v neither_o remit_v in_o this_o world_n nor_o the_o other_o from_o thence_o to_o infer_v that_o some_o sin_n be_v remit_v after_o this_o life_n but_o whether_o there_o be_v any_o purgatory-punishment_n after_o this_o life_n or_o not_o he_o be_v ever_o doubtful_a as_o appear_v by_o sundry_a place_n in_o his_o work_n where_o he_o say_v 69._o perhaps_o there_o be_v some_o such_o thing_n it_o be_v not_o incredible_a that_o there_o be_v some_o such_o thing_n and_o whether_o there_o be_v or_o not_o it_o may_v be_v find_v out_o or_o it_o may_v be_v hide_v neither_o will_v it_o follow_v that_o because_o he_o make_v three_o estate_n of_o man_n die_v whereof_o some_o be_v so_o good_a that_o we_o have_v rather_o cause_n to_o give_v god_n thanks_n for_o they_o then_o to_o pray_v other_o so_o ill_o that_o they_o can_v be_v relieve_v and_o a_o three_o sort_n that_o need_v our_o
the_o very_a same_o more_o peremptory_o namely_o that_o gregory_n by_o this_o say_n and_o some_o other_o find_v in_o he_o do_v utter_o overthow_v that_o purgatory_n which_o he_o be_v think_v to_o teach_v and_o if_o he_o will_v be_v please_v to_o peruse_v the_o schoolman_n he_o shall_v find_v in_o 3._o alexander_n of_o alice_n that_o the_o best_a of_o they_o thought_n gregory_n to_o be_v of_o opinion_n as_o they_o also_o be_v that_o all_o sin_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o stain_n or_o fault_n be_v purge_v out_o in_o death_n some_o interpret_n his_o word_n where_o he_o speak_v of_o remission_n of_o sin_n after_o this_o life_n of_o that_o remission_n which_o be_v in_o the_o last_o instant_n of_o this_o life_n and_o the_o first_o of_o the_o next_o and_o â—…her_o â—…herwise_o and_o therefore_o master_n higgon_n may_v well_o have_v spare_v his_o taxation_n of_o i_o and_o omit_v his_o marginal_a note_n 103._o that_o many_o such_o trick_n be_v find_v by_o the_o bishop_n of_o eureux_fw-fr in_o the_o write_n of_o the_o lord_n plessis_n mornay_n for_o in_o all_o that_o which_o i_o have_v write_v touch_v this_o point_n there_o be_v not_o so_o much_o as_o the_o least_o shadow_n of_o any_o ill_a deal_n and_o for_o that_o worthy_a gentleman_n against_o who_o that_o bishop_n soâ—…ght_v advantage_n by_o cavil_v against_o some_o part_n of_o his_o allegation_n it_o will_v be_v find_v that_o he_o have_v more_o sincere_o handle_v the_o controversy_n of_o religion_n than_o ever_o any_o romanist_n do_v that_o if_o any_o mistake_n be_v find_v in_o he_o there_o be_v many_o more_o and_o more_o material_a in_o far_o less_o compass_n in_o the_o write_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o and_o that_o in_o his_o anatomy_n of_o the_o mass_n the_o book_n except_v against_o by_o the_o bishop_n of_o eureux_fw-fr he_o have_v in_o such_o sort_n cut_v in_o sunder_o the_o sinew_n not_o only_o of_o the_o mass_n but_o of_o the_o whole_a mass_n of_o romish_a religion_n that_o all_o the_o rabble_n of_o romanist_n will_v never_o be_v able_a orderly_o to_o answer_v that_o whole_a book_n howsoever_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o cavil_n against_o some_o part_n of_o any_o thing_n never_o so_o well_o write_v but_o to_o return_v to_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n whatsoever_o we_o think_v of_o gregory_n of_o who_o i_o say_v only_o that_o he_o seem_v to_o agree_v unto_o the_o opinion_n of_o those_o divine_n who_o think_v all_o sinnefulnesse_n to_o be_v purge_v out_o of_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n die_v in_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n in_o the_o moment_n of_o dissolution_n it_o be_v certain_a that_o exceed_v many_o of_o best_a esteem_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n informer_n time_n be_v of_o that_o opinion_n and_o the_o same_o be_v prove_v by_o unanswerable_a reason_n whence_o it_o will_v follow_v inevitable_o that_o there_o remain_v no_o punishment_n to_o be_v suffer_v after_o death_n by_o man_n die_v in_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n for_o they_o be_v proposition_n of_o saint_n bernard_n that_o all_o the_o world_n can_v except_v against_o 10._o that_o when_o all_o sin_n shall_v be_v whole_o take_v out_o of_o the_o way_n no_o effect_n of_o it_o shall_v remain_v that_o the_o cause_n be_v altogether_o remove_v the_o effect_n shall_v be_v no_o more_o and_o that_o all_o punishment_n shall_v he_o as_o far_o from_o the_o outward_a man_n as_o all_o fault_n shall_v be_v from_o the_o inward_a now_o that_o all_o sinfulness_n be_v purge_v out_o in_o the_o very_a dissolution_n of_o soul_n and_o body_n be_v confirm_v as_o i_o say_v by_o unaunswerable_a reason_n for_o see_v the_o remain_v of_o natural_a concupiscence_n the_o proneness_n to_o evil_a difficulty_n to_o do_v good_a and_o contrariety_n between_o the_o better_a and_o mean_a faculty_n of_o the_o soul_n be_v whole_o take_v out_o of_o the_o soul_n of_o all_o they_o that_o die_v in_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n in_o the_o moment_n of_o dissolution_n even_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o our_o adversary_n themselves_o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o the_o fault_n or_o stain_n of_o sin_n but_o the_o act_n desire_v &_o purpose_n which_o can_v remain_v where_o concupiscence_n the_o fountain_n thereof_o be_v dry_v up_o or_o the_o habitual_a like_n and_o affect_v of_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v former_o desire_v purpose_a or_o do_v ill_o which_o can_v be_v find_v in_o a_o soul_n out_o of_o which_o all_o natural_a concupiscence_n incline_v to_o the_o desire_v of_o thing_n inordinate_o be_v whole_o take_v away_o and_o itself_o turn_v to_o the_o entire_a desire_v of_o god_n alone_o and_o nothing_o but_o in_o and_o for_o he_o as_o be_v every_o soul_n out_o of_o which_o concupiscence_n incline_v to_o affect_v finite_a thing_n inordinate_o be_v whole_o take_v away_o it_o be_v more_o than_o evident_a that_o all_o sinnefulnesse_n be_v whole_o take_v out_o of_o the_o soul_n of_o each_o good_a man_n in_o the_o very_a moment_n of_o his_o death_n dissolution_n and_o departure_n hence_o see_v then_o the_o absurdity_n of_o romish_a religion_n the_o soul_n of_o a_o good_a man_n in_o the_o moment_n of_o death_n be_v whole_o free_v from_o all_o sinnefulnesse_n there_o be_v nothing_o find_v in_o it_o that_o displease_v god_n charity_n and_o grace_n make_v those_o in_o who_o it_o be_v acceptable_a to_o god_n be_v perfect_a in_o it_o and_o yet_o it_o must_v be_v punish_v to_o satisfy_v the_o justice_n of_o god_n because_o it_o be_v sometime_o sinful_a true_o jever_n think_v whereas_o there_o be_v two_o thing_n in_o sin_n the_o fault_n deformity_n or_o stain_v and_o the_o punishment_n that_o christ_n who_o be_v the_o lamb_n of_o god_n that_o take_v away_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o world_n by_o the_o work_n of_o his_o sanctify_a grace_n purge_v out_o the_o one_o and_o by_o virtue_n of_o his_o satisfactory_a suffering_n free_v such_o as_o he_o purge_v from_o the_o impurity_n of_o sin_n from_o the_o punishment_n due_a unto_o it_o and_o that_o in_o proportionable_a sort_n he_o purge_v out_o the_o one_o and_o by_o virtue_n of_o his_o satisfactory_a suffering_n free_v we_o from_o the_o other_o so_o that_o when_o sin_n be_v only_o so_o purge_v out_o that_o it_o be_v no_o more_o predominant_a there_o remain_v no_o condemnation_n but_o yet_o some_o punishment_n as_o in_o the_o case_n of_o david_n and_o when_o it_o be_v whole_o take_v away_o there_o remain_v no_o punishment_n at_o all_o which_o whosoever_o contradict_v be_v injurious_a to_o the_o suffering_n of_o christ_n &_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n who_o will_v not_o require_v one_o debt_n to_o be_v twice_o pay_v for_o it_o be_v most_o certain_a that_o christ_n suffer_v the_o punishment_n not_o only_o of_o those_o sin_n that_o man_n commit_v in_o the_o time_n of_o ignorance_n 〈◊〉_d and_o the_o state_n of_o nature_n before_o baptism_n and_o regeneration_n but_o of_o all_o sin_n and_o that_o the_o reason_n why_o notwithstanding_o godless_a man_n be_v subject_a to_o all_o kind_n of_o punishment_n as_o before_o be_v because_o they_o do_v not_o become_v one_o with_o christ_n nor_o be_v make_v partaker_n of_o his_o sanctify_a spirit_n purge_v out_o the_o sinfulness_n that_o be_v in_o they_o that_o they_o may_v enjoy_v the_o benefit_n of_o his_o satisfaction_n as_o likewise_o the_o reason_n why_o good_a man_n such_o as_o daâ—…id_n turn_v to_o god_n by_o repentance_n be_v still_o subject_a to_o some_o punishment_n in_o this_o life_n notwithstanding_o their_o union_n with_o christ_n be_v because_o they_o be_v not_o so_o full_o conjoin_v to_o christ_n and_o make_v partaker_n of_o his_o spirit_n as_o to_o be_v purge_v from_o all_o sin_n for_o if_o they_o be_v they_o shall_v be_v free_v from_o all_o punishment_n by_o his_o suffering_n he_o have_v suffer_v for_o all_o they_o that_o become_v one_o with_o he_o all_o that_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n require_v this_o be_v that_o heresy_n of_o the_o papist_n which_o i_o speak_v of_o namely_o that_o to_o satisfy_v god_n justice_n the_o soul_n of_o man_n die_v in_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n must_v suffer_v punishment_n answerable_a to_o the_o sin_n they_o sometime_o commit_v though_o now_o pure_a from_o all_o sin_n this_o conceit_n never_o any_o of_o the_o ancient_n have_v howsoever_o some_o of_o they_o suppose_v that_o sinful_a man_n in_o hell_n may_v be_v ease_v or_o deliver_v thence_o and_o some_o other_o as_o augustine_n &_o such_o as_o follow_v he_o in_o the_o latin_a church_n be_v doubtful_a whether_o some_o impurity_n may_v not_o remain_v to_o be_v purge_v out_o of_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n die_v in_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n by_o affliction_n and_o chastisement_n after_o this_o life_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o m_o higgon_n say_v 108._o this_o imputation_n of_o heresy_n cleave_v as_o fast_o to_o the_o father_n who_o we_o pretend_v to_o honour_n and_o reverence_n as_o to_o
after_o this_o life_n but_o in_o that_o instant_n wherein_o grace_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v final_a grace_n it_o have_v full_a dominion_n and_o absolute_a command_n and_o expel_v all_o sin_n whereas_o therefore_o the_o master_n of_o sentence_n and_o other_o do_v say_v that_o some_o venial_a sin_n be_v remit_v after_o this_o life_n we_o must_v so_o understand_v their_o say_n that_o therefore_o they_o be_v say_v to_o be_v remit_v after_o this_o life_n because_o it_o be_v the_o same_o moment_n or_o instant_n that_o do_v continuate_a the_o time_n of_o life_n and_o that_o after_o life_n so_o that_o the_o last_o instant_n of_o life_n be_v the_o first_o after_o life_n they_o be_v remit_v and_o take_v away_o in_o the_o very_a moment_n of_o dissolution_n be_v say_v to_o be_v remit_v after_o this_o life_n for_o otherwise_o the_o will_n of_o man_n after_o death_n be_v unchangeable_a and_o there_o be_v no_o more_o place_n leave_v for_o merit_n hereunto_o 46._o gregory_n seem_v to_o agree_v say_v that_o the_o very_a fear_n that_o be_v find_v in_o man_n die_v do_v purge_v their_o soul_n go_v out_o of_o their_o body_n from_o the_o lesser_a sin_n see_v therefore_o as_o 10._o bernard_n say_v if_o all_o sin_n be_v perfect_o take_v away_o whiâ—…_n be_v the_o cause_n the_o effect_n must_v needs_o cease_v which_o be_v punishment_n it_o follow_v that_o see_v after_o death_n there_o be_v no_o sin_n find_v in_o man_n die_v in_o state_n of_o grace_n there_o remain_v no_o punishment_n and_o consequent_o no_o purgatory_n chap._n 21._o of_o purgatory_n touch_v purgatory_n 11._o whether_o they_o that_o be_v to_o be_v purge_v be_v purge_v by_o material_a fire_n or_o by_o some_o other_o mean_n it_o be_v doubtful_a likewise_o 6._o touch_v the_o place_n the_o roman_a church_n have_v define_v nothing_o whereupon_o some_o think_v that_o soul_n be_v purge_v where_o they_o sin_v some_o in_o one_o place_n some_o in_o another_o neither_o be_v there_o any_o more_o certainty_n 9_o touch_v the_o continuance_n of_o sinful_a soul_n in_o their_o purgation_n 2._o dominicus_n â_fw-la soto_n think_v that_o no_o man_n continue_v in_o this_o purgation_n ten_o year_n his_o reason_n be_v for_o that_o see_v man_n may_v pacify_v god_n wrath_n by_o very_o short_a penance_n in_o this_o life_n where_o they_o can_v neither_o endure_v any_o great_a extremity_n nor_o be_v perfect_o apprehensive_a of_o smart_n &_o grief_n therefore_o much_o soon_o in_o the_o other_o where_o they_o may_v endure_v great_a extremity_n and_o be_v more_o apprehensive_a of_o it_o so_o that_o the_o extremity_n of_o their_o passion_n may_v countervail_v long_a continuance_n in_o pain_n this_o of_o soto_n if_o we_o grant_v to_o be_v true_a say_v bellarmine_n no_o soul_n needs_o stay_v in_o purge_v one_o hour_n neither_o indeed_o can_v he_o prove_v that_o any_o do_v by_o scripture_n or_o father_n or_o any_o resolution_n of_o the_o church_n but_o only_o because_o they_o use_v to_o pray_v for_o man_n depart_v a_o long_a time_n after_o their_o death_n which_o do_v no_o more_o prove_v that_o they_o need_v prayer_n so_o long_o as_o they_o be_v pray_v for_o then_o pardon_v for_o thousand_o of_o year_n prove_v purgatory_n to_o continue_v so_o long_o and_o by_o certain_a vision_n which_o sometime_o 13._o he_o regard_v not_o for_o howsoever_o sundry_a vision_n report_v by_o beda_n dionysius_n carthusianus_n and_o in_o the_o first_o book_n of_o the_o life_n of_o bernard_n import_n that_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n in_o purgatory_n be_v torment_v by_o devil_n yet_o he_o think_v that_o the_o child_n of_o god_n overcome_v satan_n in_o the_o last_o conflict_n &_o be_v secure_a of_o their_o future_a state_n for_o ever_o be_v never_o molest_v by_o satan_n any_o more_o thus_o than_o we_o see_v that_o notwithstâ—…ding_v any_o thing_n define_v in_o the_o church_n the_o soul_n of_o man_n may_v be_v purge_v from_o all_o the_o dross_n of_o sinful_a remainder_n and_o free_v from_o all_o punishment_n in_o the_o very_a moment_n of_o dissolution_n which_o be_v that_o we_o say_v hereupon_o 1._o john_n bacon_n say_v there_o be_v some_o who_o think_v that_o purgatory_n after_o this_o life_n can_v be_v prove_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n &_o that_o these_o do_v say_v the_o book_n of_o macchabee_n be_v not_o canonical_a and_o that_o the_o apostle_n 1._o cor._n 3._o speak_v of_o that_o fire_n that_o shall_v purge_v the_o element_n of_o the_o world_n in_o the_o last_o day_n and_o touch_v that_o say_n of_o christ_n of_o sin_n that_o shall_v never_o be_v remit_v in_o this_o world_n nor_o that_o to_o come_v they_o say_v it_o prove_v not_o the_o remission_n of_o any_o sin_n in_o the_o other_o world_n but_o that_o this_o form_n of_o speak_v be_v use_v only_o for_o the_o better_a enforce_v of_o that_o he_o intend_v to_o deliver_v as_o if_o a_o man_n shall_v say_v to_o a_o barren_a woman_n thou_o shall_v never_o bear_v child_n neither_o in_o this_o world_n nor_o in_o that_o which_o be_v to_o come_v chap._n 22._o of_o the_o saint_n hear_v of_o our_o prayer_n that_o the_o saint_n do_v hear_v our_o prayer_n or_o be_v acquaint_v with_o our_o particular_a want_n be_v never_o resolve_v in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n 31._o biel_n say_v that_o the_o saint_n by_o that_o natural_a or_o evening_n knowledge_n whereby_o they_o see_v and_o know_v thing_n as_o they_o be_v in_o themselves_o do_v not_o know_v or_o discern_v our_o prayer_n neither_o mental_a nor_o vocal_a by_o reason_n of_o the_o immoderate_a distance_n between_o they_o and_o we_o and_o touch_v that_o morning_n knowledge_n whereby_o they_o see_v thing_n in_o the_o eternal_a word_n it_o no_o way_n pertain_v to_o their_o essential_a felicity_n to_o see_v and_o know_v our_o desire_n and_o it_o be_v uncertain_a whether_o it_o appertain_v to_o their_o accidental_a happiness_n he_o say_v it_o be_v not_o certain_a but_o that_o it_o may_v seem_v probable_a that_o god_n reveal_v unto_o they_o all_o those_o suit_n which_o man_n present_v unto_o they_o the_o 45._o master_n of_o sentence_n say_v it_o be_v not_o incredible_a that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o saint_n that_o delight_n in_o the_o secret_n of_o god_n countenance_n in_o behold_v the_o same_o see_v thing_n that_o be_v do_v in_o the_o world_n below_o 11._o hugo_n de_fw-fr sancto_fw-la victore_fw-la leave_v it_o doubtful_a whether_o the_o saint_n do_v hear_v our_o prayer_n or_o not_o and_o reject_v that_o say_n of_o gregory_n bring_v to_o prove_v that_o they_o do_v qui_fw-la videt_fw-la videntem_fw-la omne_fw-la videt_fw-la omne_fw-la the_o interlineall_a gloss_n upon_o isaiah_n 63._o say_v augustine_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o the_o dead_a though_o saint_n know_v not_o what_o the_o live_n though_o they_o be_v their_o own_o child_n do_v here_o in_o this_o world_n which_o appear_v to_o be_v true_a by_o his_o own_o word_n pronounce_v that_o if_o so_o great_a patriarch_n as_o be_v abraham_n know_v not_o what_o befall_v to_o the_o people_n that_o come_v of_o they_o it_o be_v no_o way_n likely_a that_o the_o dead_a do_v intermeddle_v with_o the_o affair_n of_o the_o live_n either_o to_o know_v they_o or_o to_o further_a and_o set_v they_o forward_o whereupon_o he_o conclude_v that_o for_o aught_o be_v know_v to_o the_o contrary_a the_o saint_n remain_v only_o in_o heaven_n and_o pray_v for_o we_o only_o in_o general_n god_n by_o the_o ministry_n of_o angel_n or_o immediate_o by_o himself_o without_o their_o particular_a intermeddle_v give_v we_o the_o thing_n we_o have_v need_n of_o 6._o willihelmus_n altisiodorensis_n say_v that_o many_o do_v think_v that_o neither_o we_o do_v proper_o pray_v to_o the_o saint_n nor_o they_o pray_v for_o we_o in_o particular_a but_o that_o improper_o only_o we_o may_v be_v say_v to_o pray_v to_o they_o in_o that_o we_o desire_v god_n that_o the_o favour_n which_o they_o find_v with_o he_o rest_v from_o their_o labour_n and_o their_o work_n be_v go_v after_o they_o may_v procure_v we_o their_o brethren_n acceptation_n likewise_o who_o they_o have_v leave_v behind_o they_o in_o the_o warfare_n of_o this_o world_n whereupon_o the_o prayer_n be_v adiwent_fw-la nos_fw-la eorum_fw-la merita_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o the_o margin_n he_o say_v that_o this_o be_v a_o common_a opinion_n in_o his_o time_n chap._n 23._o of_o the_o superstition_n and_o idolatry_n commit_v former_o in_o the_o worship_v of_o image_n that_o many_o in_o the_o roman_a church_n do_v see_v the_o abuse_n &_o superstition_n that_o be_v in_o the_o use_n of_o image_n appear_v by_o picus_n mirand_n his_o apology_n of_o his_o conclusion_n propose_v in_o rome_n that_o neither_o the_o cross_n nor_o any_o other_o image_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v with_o divine_a worship_n by_o picturis_fw-la durand_n blame_v many_o thing_n in_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n at_o that_o time_n and_o
the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n the_o second_o which_o conclusion_n be_v not_o of_o such_o force_n but_o that_o the_o succeed_a bishop_n of_o constantinople_n continue_v the_o same_o challenge_v their_o predecessor_n make_v &_o as_o any_o opportunity_n be_v offer_v seek_v to_o advance_v their_o pretend_a title_n till_o at_o length_n there_o grow_v some_o difference_n between_o they_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o proceed_n of_o the_o holy_a g_o who_o the_o latin_n affirm_v to_o proceed_v from_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n the_o greek_n from_o the_o father_n only_o either_o pronounce_v the_o other_o to_o be_v heretic_n &_o schismatickes_n wherefore_o let_v we_o see_v what_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o greek_a church_n be_v and_o whether_o these_o christian_n be_v so_o far_o forth_o orthodox_n that_o we_o may_v account_v they_o member_n of_o the_o true_a catholic_a church_n of_o god_n or_o so_o in_o error_n that_o we_o may_v reject_v they_o as_o schismatics_n &_o heretic_n though_o in_o number_n never_o so_o many_o 2._o bernard_n speak_v of_o they_o say_v nobiscum_fw-la sunt_fw-la &_o non_fw-la sunt_fw-la iuncti_fw-la fide_fw-la pace_fw-la divisi_fw-la quanquam_fw-la &_o fide_fw-la ipsa_fw-la claudicaverint_fw-la à _fw-la rectis_fw-la semitis_fw-la that_o be_v they_o be_v with_o we_o and_o they_o be_v not_o with_o we_o they_o be_v of_o the_o same_o profession_n with_o we_o touch_v matter_n of_o faith_n but_o they_o hold_v not_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o spirit_n in_o the_o band_n of_o peace_n although_o they_o have_v halt_v also_o and_o in_o some_o sort_n decline_v from_o the_o straight_a path_n in_o matter_n pertain_v to_o the_o christian_a faith_n touch_v the_o state_n of_o these_o christian_n the_o romanist_n lie_v down_o these_o proposition_n first_o that_o there_o be_v a_o double_a separation_n from_o the_o church_n of_o god_n the_o one_o by_o heresy_n overthrow_v the_o faith_n the_o other_o by_o schism_n break_v the_o unity_n the_o second_o that_o 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they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v censure_v as_o heretic_n and_o yield_v a_o reason_n of_o his_o so_o think_v because_o in_o those_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n where_o they_o be_v think_v to_o err_v they_o differ_v verbal_o only_a and_o not_o real_o from_o those_o that_o be_v undoubted_o right_a believer_n and_o give_v instance_n first_o in_o the_o question_n touch_v the_o proceed_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n wherein_o he_o think_v they_o differ_v but_o in_o form_n of_o word_n from_o they_o that_o seem_v to_o be_v their_o opposite_n and_o second_o in_o the_o question_n touch_v the_o pope_n his_o power_n privilege_n and_o authority_n concern_v all_o which_o he_o affirm_v they_o have_v no_o other_o opinion_n than_o gerson_n &_o the_o parisian_n who_o be_v never_o yet_o pronounce_v heretic_n for_o they_o yield_v a_o primacy_n to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n but_o no_o supremacy_n they_o acknowledge_v he_o to_o be_v patriarch_n of_o the_o west_n among_o all_o the_o patriarch_n in_o order_n &_o honour_v the_o first_o as_o long_o as_o he_o continue_v orthodox_n and_o seek_v not_o to_o encroach_v upon_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o other_o but_o they_o deny_v as_o also_o the_o parisian_n do_v that_o his_o judgement_n be_v infallible_a or_o his_o power_n &_o authority_n supreme_a &_o absolute_a they_o teach_v that_o he_o must_v do_v nothing_o of_o himself_o in_o thing_n pertain_v to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o with_o the_o concurrence_n of_o other_o his_o colleague_n and_o that_o he_o be_v subject_a to_o a_o general_a council_n all_o which_o thing_n be_v define_v in_o the_o counsel_n of_o constance_n and_o basil_n and_o the_o contrary_a position_n condemn_v as_o haereticall_a neither_o want_n there_o at_o this_o day_n many_o worthy_a divine_n live_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n who_o most_o strong_o adhere_v to_o the_o decree_n of_o those_o counsel_n and_o peremptory_o reject_v those_o of_o florence_n and_o trent_n wherein_o the_o contrary_a faction_n prevayl_v for_o the_o whole_a kingdom_n and_o state_n of_o france_n admit_v those_o and_o reject_v the_o other_o and_o will_v no_o less_o withdraw_v themselves_o from_o all_o communion_n with_o the_o roman_a bishop_n then_o the_o grecian_n do_v if_o they_o shall_v once_o be_v press_v to_o acknowledge_v that_o his_o power_n and_o authority_n be_v supreme_a and_o absolute_a that_o he_o can_v err_v and_o that_o he_o may_v dispose_v the_o kingdom_n and_o depose_v the_o king_n &_o sovereign_a prince_n of_o the_o world_n as_o the_o jesuit_n and_o other_o the_o pope_n flatterer_n affirm_v and_o defend_v whence_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o they_o be_v not_o only_o free_a from_o heresy_n as_o azorius_fw-la resolve_v but_o from_o schism_n also_o so_o that_o after_o so_o great_a clamour_n and_o so_o long_a contending_n they_o must_v of_o necessity_n be_v force_v in_o the_o end_n to_o confess_v they_o have_v do_v they_o infinite_a wrong_n and_o sin_v grievous_o against_o 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