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B00718 A conference of the Catholike and Protestante doctrine with the expresse words of Holie Scripture. Which is the second parte of the prudentiall balance of religion. : VVherein is clearely shewed, that in more than 260 points of controuersie, Catholicks agree with the Holie Scripture, both in words and sense: and Protestants disagree in both, and depraue both the sayings, words, and sense of Scripture. / Written first in Latin, but now augmented and translated into English.; Collatio doctrinae Catholicorum ac Protestantium cum expressis S. Scripturae verbis. English. 1631 Smith, Richard, 1566-1655. 1631 (1631) STC 22810; ESTC S123294 532,875 801

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that are adiudged to eternall punishment Not cause of damnation are not therefore damned because they sinned Onely incredulitie damneth See more art 10. Scripture Euerie one of vs for him selfe shall render account Account is to be giuen of sinnes to God That euerie one may receaue the proper things of the bodie as he hath done ether good or euill Protestants If workes come into iudgment we are all damned Not to be giuen These sinnes shall not come to account before God See more art 11. Scripture reporteth that Dauid saied of him selfe I haue Dauid did ill done ill before thee Protestants Dauid neuer committed sinne The regenerate He did not ill commit noe sinne See more art 12. Scripture reporteth these words of Dauid I am he that Dauid him selfe sinned haue sinned I haue done wickedly Protestants The elect him selfe doth not sinne but sinne that Not him self dwelleth in him The true faithfull or regenerate doth not sinne See more art 13. CHAPTER XVII OF IVSTIFICATION SCripture Abraham was he not iustified by workes Abraham iustified by workes Not by workes Man iustified by workes Not by workes Sinnes forgiuē for loue Not for loue Protestants Abraham was not iustified by his good workes He was iustified by no other thing at all but by faith See art 1. Scripture Doe you see that by workes a man is iustified Protestants We saye they are not iustified by workes we can not be iustified by workes See art 1. cit Scripture Manie sinnes are forgiuen her because she loued much Protestants Not because the woman loued much therefore her sinnes were forgiuen her See art 1. cit Scripture By workes a man is iustified and not by faith Man not iustified by faith onely By faith onely Some iust before God None iust before God onely Protestants We are iustified by faith onely By faith onely we receaue remission of sinnes See more art 2. Scripture They were both iust before God Protestants Before God none is iust none can be iust Where shall anie such iust be found amongst men See more artic 3. Scripture You are cleane The blood of Christ cleanseth vs Some cleane from all sinne Protestants The beleiuers are iust and yet vncleane The None cleane pious man is in him selfe vncleane and filthie See more art 4. Scripture As farre as the East is from the west hath he made Sinnes taken from the iustified Not taken frō them our iniquities farre from vs. There is no iniquitie found in me Protestants In the regenerate there are manie sinnes and great filth Innumerable sinnes euen such as are worthie of death remaine in the regenerate See more art 5. Scripture Before him God iustice hath bene found in me Iustice in mē No iustice in them Protestants There can be no iustice in vs. There is no inherent iustice in the iudgment of God See more 8. Scripture To him that beleiueth in him who iustifieth the Some inherēt thing imputed No inherent thing imputed Men not certaine of grace Certaine impious his faith is reputed to iustice Protestants What is inherent is not imputed See more art 9. Scripture Man knoweth not whether he be worthie of loue or hatred Protestants It is lewednes to say that none can know by certaintie of faith that he hath obtained grace See more artic 10. Scripture Ye are fallen from grace Some fall frō grace None fall frō grace Protestants It is impossible for those that beleiue to fall from grace The elect neuer fall from grace The faithfull neuer fall from the grace of God See more art 12. Scripture Thou by faith doest stand Be not highly wise but VVe must feare feare Protestants That is not to be suffered that they exhort vs VVe must not feare to feare I cannot be damned vnlesse Christ be damned See more art 13. Scripture If the iust man shall turne away him selfe from his Some reprobates iustified Noreprobates iustified Man prepareth his hart He prepareth it not iustice and doe iniquitie in his sinne which he hath sinned in them he shall dye Protestants No reprobate is iustified The elect only repent and doe good workes See more art 14. Scripture It perteineth to a man to prepare the harte Protestants In our conuersion to God we haue our selues wholy passiuely A man is like a blocke in his conuersion See more art 15. CHAPTER XVIII OF EVERLASTING LIFE AND DEATH SCripture Your reward is very great in heauen You shall receaue Saluation a reward or retribution No reward or retribution There is a crowne of iustice No crowne of iustice Faith alone saueth not It saueth Some already suffer the paines of hell None yet suffer the paines of hell Hell a place of torments No place the retribution of inheritance Protestants That he saueth is mere grace not a reward or retribution See more art 1. Scripture There is laied vp for me a crowne of iustice Protestants Paule acknowledgeth nothing in the whole course of saluation but mere grace See more art 2. Scripture Shall faith be able to saue him Protestants Faith alone saueth By faith alone we are saued See more art 3. Scripture As Sodome and Gomorrha and the citties adioyning in like manner hauing fornicated c. were made an example sustaining the paine of eternall fire Protestants It is a false position that the soules suffer in hell before the bodies See more art 6. Scripture Lest they also come into this place of torments Protestants We must not imagin that hell is anie certaine definite and corporall place A locall hell is a fiction See more art 7. Scripture Departe from me ye cursed into fire euerlasting Hell fire true fire Protestants They feigne that the soules of men and diuels Not true fire are tormented in hell with true and corporall fire See more artic 8. CHAPTER XIX OF GODS LAW SCripture My yoke is sweet and my burden light Gods law possible Not possible Some haue kept Gods law None haue kept it Some haue loued God with all their hart None haue loued him so Gods law in the harts of some In the harts of none We pray to fulfill Gods will We pray not so Keeping the cōmandments necessarie to life Not necessarie Protestants The law is impossible to be kept It is impossible to keepe the commandments See more art 1. Scripture I haue kept thy law They haue kept thy word Protestants No man performeth the law or euer performed it See more art 2. Scripture faieth of Iosias He returned to our lord in all his hart and in all his soule and in all his power according to all the law of Moises Protestants There was no Sainte who in this mortall life loued God with all is soule with all his hart with all his power See more art 3. Scripture The law of God in his hart Protestants Euen after regeneration the word of the law is not properly saied to be in
whomsoeuer you shall finde call to the mariage Mark 16. vers 15. Going into the whole world preach the Ghospell to all creatures CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME Card. Bellarmin de Amiss Grat. c. l. 2. 9. The Scripture teacheth that God inuiteth all to him PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Perkins in Casibus conscient cap. 7. It is euident that the promise of saluation is not to be taken as vniuersall without exception or restriction God inuiteth not all Beza de Praedestinat cont Castel p. 417. Christ doth not inuite simply all vnto him Et in quaest Respons p. 655. See with how conuincent reason that vniuersall vocation is refuted Vocation is not vniuersall Wherefore not vocation much lesse that vniuersall election can and must be assigned but onely an indefinite vocation Zanchius in Supplicat ad Senatum Argent to 7. col 57. That God in earnest calleth all is to be vnderstood according to his reuealed will to wit so farre as he calleth all by the outward preaching of the Ghospell not excluding any but not according to his secret will In depuls calum col 260. The promises Promises pertaine not to all do not pertaine indeed vnto all but onely to the elect And col 261. There is an other reason why God doth not giue them reprobates faith nor euer simply promised it to them Bucanus in Institut loco 36. Is not the vocation and remission Not remissiō vniuersall Mathew 11. 28 It is rather indefinite Vrsinus in Miscellan p. 74. If the vniuersall promise belonged to all men what a masse of absurditie and impietie would follow Pareus in Galat. 3. lect 43. The promises are vniuersall to the beleiuers but not vniuersall to the incredulous for they belonge not to them Therefore it sufficeth not to vrge the vniueruersall articles All Of all Stosselius apud Zanchium l. 2. epistolorum The Ghospell Nor the Ghospell belongeth onely to the elect THE CONFERENCE Scripture expressely saieth that Christ called all that are burdered and commanded to preach to all creatures The same say Catholiks Protestants expressely say that Gods vocation is not vniuersall that God in earnest calleth not all that the promise of saluation is not vniuersall parteineth onely to the elect that the Ghospell belongeth onely to the elect Which are so opposite to the Scripture as diuers Protestants confesse it See lib. 2. c. 30. ART XXII WHETHER GOD OF HIM selfe will the death and damnation of men SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY DENIETH. Ezechielis 33. v. 11. Liue I saieth our Lord God I will not the death of the impious but that the impious be conuerted from God willeth not death his way and liue c. 18. v. 23. Why is the death of a sinner my will saieth our Lord God and not that he conuert from his wayes and liue Et ver 32. Because I vill not the death of him that dieth saieth our Lord. He made not death Wisdome c. 1. v. 13. God made not death nether doth he reioice in the perdition of the liuing Tobie 3. 22. For thou art not delighted in our perditions Ecclesiast 15. vers 11. Impious men are not necessarie for him CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY DENIE Gard. Bellarmin l. 2. de Grat. lib. arb c. 16. The sinnes of men and not the onely will of God are the cause of positiue reprobation that is of that act wherewith God will adiudge reprotes to euerlasting punishment PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Whitaker Conc. vlt. p. 693. God predestinated to eternall God predestinateth to death whome and why he would Sinne not the cause of damnation God worketh and willeth death death whome he would and because he would Pag. 694. The onely cause of reprobation whereof we speake is Gods will mynd and decree Perkins de Praedestinat to 1. col 123. Sinne is not the cause of the decree of damnation See Willet cont 18. q. 1. p. 855. Luther l. de seru arbit to 2. fol. 450. The hidden God worketh life death and all in all Agayne He will not the death of a sinner to wit in word but he willeth it with his vnsearchable will Caluin 3. Institut c. 22. § vlt. If we cannot giue a reason No reason of reprobation but Gods will Some created todamnation and to perish why God vouchsafeth mercie to his elect but because it so pleaseth him nether shall we haue any other thing why he reprobateth others them his will Cap. 21. § 5. To some eternall life is preordinated to others eternall damnation Therefore as euerie one is created to ether end c. In Roman 9. ver 18. Salomon teacheth shat the wicked were of purpose created for to perish Beza in Rom. 9. v. 11. Who gather that God in those whom from all eternitie he destinated to reprobation and perdition was moued thereto by their foreseene incredulitie ill life are greatly deceaued In Explicat Christianismi cap. 5. Reprobates he created to the end that he might be glorified in their iust condemnation In Colloq Montisbel p. 447. He created ordained and destinated the reprobates to eternall damnation for causes knowne to him selfe alone And de Praedestinat vol. 3. p. 438. God of his mere will and therefore not for any respect of foreseene worthines or vnworthines hath destinated to hatred and perdition whome he would ether particular men or whole nations And this doctrin he termeth the foundation of his faith Bucer in Matth. 6. What he saieth that he will not the death of the impious and of him that dieth but would rather haue him returne and liue is to be vnderstood of them onely whome he hath chosen to be conuerted and liue Peter Martyr in Rom. 9. It lesse despleaseth men if they be God hateth and reprobateth for his mere will saied to be predestinated and chosen then to be saied to be hated and reprobated for Gods mere will without all respect of deserts and yet there must be the same reason of both Et libr. de libro arbit tom 3. locorum It seemeth at first sight absurd that some should be created of God for to perish yet the Scripture Some created to perish Gods will the only cause of reprobation saieth it Musculus in locis tit de reprobis The cause of reprobation is not to be attributed to the future wickednes of the reprobates but to the onely will of God Piscator in Thesibus lib. 2. p. 182. God made man to fall It He made men to fall is false that God hath not need of a sinner Page 235. Nether is this simply true that God is not the beginning or cause of perdition P. 245. Reprobation is absolute that is depending of the mere pleasure of God and not vpon the condition of incredulitie foreseene Marlorat in Rom. 9. v. 22. What inconuenience is it to say Some made to destructiō that these were made to destruction Zanchius de Praedestinat c. 1. to 7. They take from God his Some created to
death to be destroied right who say that it is false that God created some to life others to death onely that he might shew his mercie in them and his power and iustice in these cap. 4. He createth some to this end to be destroied c. 6. That one is saued or damned we must needes confesse that Gods will was and is the cheefest Et apud Schusselburg l. 4. Theol. Caluin art 8. Gods will is the first and vnauoidable Gods will the first cause of perdition cause of the perdition of them that perish And l. 3. de natura Dei c. 4. q. 4. As for that place of wisdome Death entred into the world by the enuie of the Diuel and if there be any such others in which death is attributed to the Diuel as to the Author we answere that it doth not follow that God willeth God author of death not death or is not the author of it For the same effect may proceed from diuers causes Bucanus l. 4. Syntagm c. 10. The cause efficient and mouing for which the decree of affirmatiue or negatiue reprobation was made of God is not sinne The true and onely mouing cause for which the decree of reprobation was made is Gods pleasure or free will See manie more like sayings of Protestants in my Latin booke l. 1. art 22. THE CONFERENCE Scripture expressely saieth that God of him selfe will not the death of the impious or of him that dieth yea God sweareth that he will not his death and the Scripture addeth that God made not death that it entred by the Diuel that impious men are not necessarie for God The same say Catholiks Protestants expressely say the contrarie that God will the death of a sinner with his vnsearchable will that he is the Author of death that he created men to perdition death and damnation that he is the beginning the first vnauoidable cause of the perdition of them that perish That he predestinateth to death whome he would and why he would that sinne is not the cause of the decree of damnation That sinne is nether efficient nor mouing cause of negatiue or affirmatiue reprobation but onely the pleasure and free will of God ART XXIII WHETHER GOD DAMNETH men for sinne SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Matth. 25. v. 41. Then he shall saye to them also that be at God damneth for sinne his left hand Get ye away frō me you cursed into fire euerlasting For I was an hungred and you gaue me not to eate c. CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME C. Bellarmin l. 2. de Grat. lib. arb c. 16. The Scriptures euerie where teach that by the iust iudgment of God euerlasting punishment is rendred vnto sinne PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Luther l. de seru arb tom 2. fol. 461. This most of all offendeth God damneth men for his mere will Respecteth not deserts in those that are to be damned Damneth those that deserue not common sense or naturall reason that God for his mere will doth forsake harden and damne men Fol. 465. Let vs I pray you feigne that God must be such a one as respecteth deserts in them who are to be damned Shall we not in like manner auouch and graunt that he respecteth deserts in them who are to be saued And fol. 466. It is now incomprehensible how it is iust that he damneth them that deserue not and yet is beleeued Zanchius apud Schusselburg l. 4. Theol. Caluin art 8. Here we saye that there is no other cause of mens damnation thē Gods mere pleasure Rennecber 16. The cause of damnation or reprobation is not to be saught in men but Gods will is the cheefest and supreme cause thereof Also Gryneus 16. Sinnes are Sinne not the cause of damnation not the cause why men are damned And Spindlerus 16. Sinne can no way be the cause why men are damned THE CONFERENCE Scripture expressely saieth that men are damned and adiudged to hell fire for sinne The same say Catholiks Protestants expressely say the contrarie that sinnes are not the cause why men are damned that can no way be the cause why men are damned that there is no other cause of mens damnation then Gods mere pleasure that God damneth those who deserue it not that he respecteth not deserts in those that he damneth that he damneth men for his mere will And thus much of Gods inward and outward acts toward sinne good works and mankinde let vs now see something of his power ART XXIV WHETHER GOD BE ALmightie and can doe all things SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Genes 17. v. 1. Our Lord appeared vnto him and saied vnto God is almightie him I am the God almightie Iob. 42. v. 2. I know thou canst doe all things Mathew 19. v. 26. With God all things are possible The same is repeated Marke 10. and 14. Luke 1. vers 36. There shall not be impossible with God any word CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME Card. Bellarmin l. 3. de Euchar. c. 2. All diuines write that Gods power is not absolute God is saied to be almightie because he can do all that implieth not contradiction SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Caluin in Resp ad Nebulon. p. 730. Caluin euerie where earnestly reiecteth that deuise of Gods absolute power which the Sophisters prate of in their scholes Which he repeateth de Praedest 728. de Prouid 755. 1. Inst c. 17. § 2. l. 3. c. 23. § 2. in c. 25. Isaiae Beza cont Heshusium vol. 1. p. 299. That saying of thine All thinges are possible to God hath some exception P. 300. You forsouth shall teach vs that Gods omnipotencie must not Gods omnipotencie limited Some things impossible to God be tied to that order which willingly he hath appointed to him selfe And pag. 302. He saieth that God can no more put Christs bodie in two places at once then he can make new Gods In Colloq Montisbel p. 27. God cannot make that Christs bodie be substantially in many places at one time Lib. quaest vol. 1. p. 658 God cannot make that one and the same bodie be substantially in many places or in any place not coextended to the place Which also he repeateth Respons ad Acta Torgens vol. 3. p. 60. Peter Martyr Respons ad Gardiner obiect 11. We complaine that you alwaies obiect Gods power whereas this Christs To which Gods power doth not extend Gods omnipotencie not without exception Beareth not some things bodie to be at once in manie places is of that kinde of things to which Gods power doth not extend And lib. 1. Epistolarum Zanchij pag. 408. We warne the godlie that Gods omnipotencie which we beleiue is not to be beleiued without all exception Sadeel ad art 14. aburat We haue shewed that Christs bodie cannot be really present in many places at once and that Gods omnipotencie cannot beare this And yet these men say that their faith can make present things that are to come absent and farthest of as
Reg. 15. Luc. 1. Actor 13. he saieth this is not meant of true iustice or perfection but of apparent So that with these men nothing is true if it be against them but onely apparent as is indeed their religion Wherefore thus I argue in forme Who beside the foresaied opposition to the expresse words of Scripture in manie and great matters words which signifie true things are forced to expound them of apparence outward shews testifications and significations before men they contradict the true sense of Scripture Protestants doe so Therefore c. CHAPTER XX. THAT PROTESTANTS ARE FORCED to expound the words of holie Scripture by diuers disparates and contraries THE 20. argument wherewith we will proue that Protestants doe contradict the true meaning of holie Scripture shal be because they are cōpelled to expound the words thereof by things that are quite different yea disparate or nothing like and plaine concrarie of which doings of theirs amongst innumerable I will note some few examples They expound the words of Scripture by things different or diuerse For thus dealeth Zuinglius in Marci 1. to 4. p. 141. All were baptized that is saieth he were taught in Baptized 1. Taught the Ghospell In Ioan. 3. v. 5. The kingdome of God is here taken for heauenlie doctrine and preaching of the Ghospell In histor resur pag. 401. The sense is Whose sinnes you forgiue that is Forgiue 1. Preache to whome you shall tell the forgiuenesse of sinnes In Roman 5. pag. 419. Sinne in this place As sinne by one man c. is Sinne. 1. Dis●ase Faith 1. Preaching taken for a disease In cap. 10. pag. 434. Faith is by hearing Here marke that Faith is taken of Paul for the manifested will of God and for the manifest and publike preaching of faith amongst the Iews and Gentils In 1. Cor. 7. p. 463. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Good is here taken for commodious and quiet Et tom 2. in Elencho Faith 1 Gods election Which 1. Whiles Blessed 1. Bad Fairewell fol. 34. Faith iustifieth that is the election of God In Subsidio f. 245. Which is powred out for manie that is whiles or as it is powred out for manie In Exegesi f 355. And it happened as he blessed that is bidde them fairewell Et in Exposit fidei fol. 558. It is cleare that the name of Merit or Reward is in holie Scripture but insteed of a Free guift Caluin in Luc. 1. ver 15. Replenished with the holie Ghost expoundeth To be indued with greater grace aboue che common vulgar sorte In c. 7. ver 48. he expoundeth Forgiue vs Forgiue 1. Seale our tresp●sses thus Seale more and more mercie in our hearts In c. 8. v. 13. They beleiue for a time thus They giue an honor to the Ghospell like to faith In Math. 7. vers 21. By doing Doe Gods will 1. Beleiue the will of the Father he vnderstandeth Philosophically to frame his life and manners to the rule of virtue and to beleiue in Christ In cap. 21. vers 32. The name of Iustice here signifieth Iustice 1. Doctrine nothing els but that Ihons doctrine was pure and right In cap. 23. vers 22. To sit in the chaire of Moises is nothing els then to deliuer out of the law of God how men ought to liue In Ioannis 3. vers 5. By water he vnderstandeth Water 1. Holie Ghost Charitie in vs. 1. Towards vs. the Holie Ghost In Actor 8. ver 18. by the Holie Ghost Singular guifts In Rom. 5. v. 5. by the Charitie of God diffused in vs he vnderstandeth our knowledge of Gods charitie towards vs. In 2. Co. 2. v. 10. I haue giuen in the person of Christ that is saieth he sincerely and without simulation In 1. Timot. 1. and 6. by Faith he expoundeth Holesome doctrine Faith 1. Holesome doctrine In Tit. 1. v. 16. Appoint Bishops that is Be president in the choice of them And in Hebr. 9. v. 26. Destruction of sinne he expoundeth freing from the guilt of paine Sinne. 1. Guilt of paine Beza in Math. 3. v. 1. by Desert vnderstandeth A hillie countrie And in vers 6. by Confessing their sinnes Professing Desert 1. Hillie place themselues to be sinners And in cap. 5. vers 20. Vpon that Vnlesse your iustice abound c. by the Kingdome of heauē he meaneth the Church militant and by Enter Teach Peter Martyr in Roman 18. saieth When the Scripture Faith 1. Gods mercie saieth that we are iustified by faith when we heare the name of faith we must vnderstand the obiect of faith to wit the mercie of God Polanus in Syntagm l. 6. c. 36. Faith is imputed to iustice Faith 1. Christs iustice that is the iustice of Christ which faith apprehendeth is imputed Sadeel ad art 44. abiurat When we are saied to be iustified by faith by the name of faith we must vnderstand Christ And so also Bullinger dec 3. serm 9. The Confession of Saxonie c. de Remiss Peccat This saying is to be vnderstood correlatiuely we are iustified by faith that is we are iustified by confidence of the Sonne of God Zanchius de Perseuerant tom 7. col 143 by that You are Faith 1. Confidence fallen from grace vnderstandeth you are fallen from the doctrine of grace or from the Ghospell Pareus l. 2. de Iustif c. 7. Grace 1. Doctrine by Perfect charitie vnderstandeth sincere Et lib. 4. c. 7. by worke your saluation Doe those things which are necessarie for to obtaine saluation Perkins in Cathol reform Contr. 5. c. 3. saieth In all the promises of the Ghospell in which God doth voluntarily binde himselfe to reward our workes the obligation doth not directly pertaine to vs but in respect of the person and obedience of Christ Apologia Confess Aug. c. de Implet legis Because Loue. 1. Beleiue she loued much that is say they because she truely worshiped me with faith and with exercises and signes of faith Et de Resp ad Argum. When the text saieth that eternall life is rendered to workes it meaneth that it is rendered to those that are iustified Agayne Almes is saied to deliuer from death and to purge from sinne not in it selfe but in the cause thereof that is in faith Almes i. Faith Brentius hom 1. in festum om sanctorum To hunger after iustice is to haue a iust cause and yet not be able to follow it in law Reineccius to 4. Armaturae c. 19. by Sacrifice the Phase vnderstandeth Kill it lest he should be confessed that the pascal lam be was sacrificed Illyricus 1. Ioan. 2. v. 3. The keeping Keeping 1. Knowing of the cōmandements in this place signifieth the true knowledge of his doctrine Piscator in Thesibus l. 2. p. 192. 2. Pet. 2. They denie the Lord who hath bought them that is whome before they had professed that he had bought them Et p. 472. he Buye 1. Professe to buye
tom 4. Armat cap. 15. saieth Faith is called a worke not absolutely as it is considered in it selfe but relatiuely as it apprehendeth Christ Hunnius de Iustificat pagin 157. Faith worketh by charitie towards our neighbour not toward God Finally Perkins in Casibus c. 7. That which euerie one is bound to beleiue is indeed true according to the intention of God who bindeth him but it is not true alwaies according to the euent Of good works in generall they coyne these distinctions Of good works in generall The good workes of the iust are good in parte not wholy They are all equall before God but not in themselues They are acceptable to God in his throne of mercie but not of iustice They are necessarie to iustification by necessitie of presence but not of cause They are necessarie to saluation not to iustificatiō See l. 1. c. 14. art 15. To which we adde that Pareus lib. 4. de Iustificat capite 17. saieth That good works are worthie of reward in the courte of mercie but worthie of punishment in the courte of iustice of God Et l. 1. c. 16. 23. 24. Works are required to regeneration not to iustification or as Reineccius speaketh 10. 1. Arm. c. 20. They are necessarie to sanctification not to iustification Who also to 4 c. 22. distinguisheth a worke in Giuing and Receauing and saieth that faith is a giuing worke not a receauing Schlusselb to 7. Catal. p. 446. writeth that obedience is necessarie to saluation but an others obedience not ours And addeth The dutie of obedience is indeed necessarie to saluation forsooth if it be not freely remitted Scarpius de Iustif Contr. 15. Iust men are worthie of the kingdome of God by the worth of aptnesse not of perfection or merit Riuet tract 3 sect 36. There may be a relation of Merit and Reward betwene men but not betwene God and men Perkins in Cathol Ref. Cont. 4. cap. 6. Good workes are necessarie to saluation not as cause but onely as a thing necessarie following faith Touching good works in particular they thus distinguish of good works in particular That to liue single is a good profitable but not honest or vertuous That virginitie is better then mariage in something but not simply That fasting is a parte of Gods worshippe in the law but not in the Ghospel That almes deliuereth from sinne and death not by it selfe but by the cause thereof That it is lawfull to pray for the elect not for others for the liuing not for the dead for things promised in the Scripture not for other things as appeareth by what hath beene rehearsed c. 15. To which we adde that Perkins in Cathol reform Cont. 3. c. 3. writeth that we pray not so much for the forgiuenesse of sinnes past as present Confessio Wittember saieth We may wish to the dead all rest and happines in Christ but we may not pray for them Luther in Postil Dom. 2. post Trin. graunteth that we may once or twise pray for the dead but not often And at home and in our chamber but not in the Church And the like hath Vrbanus Regius in formulis caute loquendi to 1. Who also in locis fol. 322. saieth that we may pray cōditionally for the soule of our brother but not absolutely Feild l. 3. de Eccles c. 17. teacheth that we may pray for one that is dead streigth after his death but not afterward Zuingle in art 60. saieth I condemne not if one being carefull for the dead doe implore or pray Gods mercie for them but to define any time for this is diabolicall Spalata l. 5. Repub. c. 8. n. 132. writeth that God at the intercession of the Church forgiueth litle sinnes soone after death but not long after Thus they distinguish about praier fore the dead Perkins in Apoc. 2. tom 2. The precept of repentance is directly giuē to the elect indirectly to the reprobate Et Tilenus in Syntagm c. 47. There is no counsaile inferred out of 1. Corint 7. but onely a desire and wish of one desiring the guift of continencie Touching sinne these new distinctions they make Of sinne That it is imputed to reprobates and infidels not to the faithfull and elect That it is veniall to the elect not to others that it may stand with iustice with some wrastling no otherwise that byting vsurie is condemned not other as we haue related l. 1. c. 16. Besides Perkins in Cathol ref Cont. 2. cap. 1. saieth that in iustification sinne is taken away not in it selfe but as it is in the person or as Riuet speaketh Cōt tract 3. sect 26. Sinne remaineth in parte not wholy Caluin in Ioā 1. v. 29. Sinne is in vs but not in the iudgement of God Beza in 2. part resp ad Coll. Montisb p. 73. Dauid sinned but not whole but as he was not regenerate p. 79. He did not retaine the holie Ghost but some thing of the holie Ghost pag. 71. Sinne casteth not of the holie Ghost but hindreth his efficacie Et p. 87. It maketh the holie Ghost a sleepe for a time but doth not cast him of Pareus l. 1. de Amiss Grat. c. 7. Adam fell not as he was predestinate but as he was to be predestinated He lost the grace of creation but not the grace of iustification And Piscator in Thes loc 20. The elect do slide but are not cast downe Touching iustification these new distinctions they Of iustification frame It is declared by workes but not caused It forgiueth sinnes but taketh them not away It maketh that sinne is not imputed but not that it is no more It maketh a man iust not in himselfe but in Christ And others such like as may be seene lib. 1. c. 17. Moreouer Luther in Zanchius de Perseuer to 7. col 128. saieth When Peter sinned his loue towards God and Christ was not drowned but onelie floated Reineccius to 4. Arm. c. 15. Sanctification increaseth and decreaseth but not iustification Kemnice in locis part 2. tit de Argum. writeth that when in Scripture God is required to iudge vs or reward vs according to our iustice that speach is not of the iustice of person but of our cause or controuersie with other men And agayne That same yee are cleane Ioan. 13. And yee are washed and sanctified 1. Cor. 7. is to be vnderstood imputatiuely Whitaker ad Rat. 8. Camp Faith hope and charitie doe make vs iust inchoately not absolutely Perkins de Praedest to 1. distingui●heth grace into that which represseth which he saieth is cōmon to reprobates into that which reneweth which he maketh proper to the elect Et in Cath ref Cont 4. c. 4. saieth Adam had imputed iustice according to the substance thereof but not according to imputation Illyricusin Claue part 2. tract 6. Sinne is abolished by right promise for the time to come but not in act and deed Gesner in Cōp loco 22. In Scripture those are called i●st
do not pacifie his wrath but prouoke it See more art 16. Scripture This is the will of God your Sanctification that you abstaine from fornication c. Protestants God testifieth that he will not that his commādments be kept will he haue the promises of the law performed of vs Nothing lesse He commandeth some thing which he will not haue done Properly speaking God will not haue his commandments kept of vs. See art 17. Scripture God hath concluded all into incredulitie that he God hath mercie on all may haue mercie on all Protestants God hath concluded all the reprobats vnder He hath not mercie on all sin that he might iustly destroy them God nether would nor will haue mercie on all See art 18. Scripture Thou louest all thinges that are and hatest nothing God loueth all of that which thou hast made Protestants God cannot be saied to loue all Albeit he created He loueth not all all in Adam yet be loueth not all God loueth only the elect in Christ all the rest he iustly hated from all eternitie and will for euer hate See more art 18. Scripture God will all men to be saued Not willing that anie God will all to be saued perish Protestants God will not haue all saued not euerie one He will not all to be saued saued It is not true that God would haue all saued by Christ God will not haue those that are reprobates to be saued See more art 19. Scripture Liue I saieth our lord God I will not the death of God will not the death of a sinner He will the death of a sinner the impious but that he be conuerted and liue Protestants God willeth the death of a sinner with his vnsearchable will God createth some to death to perish to destruction God predestinated to death whome he would and because he would See art 22. Scripture God made not death God made not death He made death Protestants God is the Author of death Gods will is the first and vnauoidable cause of the perdition of them that perish The hidden will of God worketh death in all See more art 22. cit Scripture Impious men are not necessarie for him God needeth not the impious He needeth them God dāneth men for sin He damneth not them for sin God can de all things He cannot doe all things Protestants It is false that God hath not need of a sinner See art 22. cit Scripture Get ye away from me you accursed into fire euerlasting for I was an hungred and you gaue me not to eate Protestants God for his mere will damneth men He damneth them that deserue not There is no other cause of mans damnation then Gods mere pleasure See art 23. Scripture VVith God all thinges are possible Protestants That saying All things are possible to God hath some exception God hath no absolute power See more art 24. CHAPTER III. OF CHRIST SCripture Who Christ was predestinate the Sonne of God Christ predestinate the Sōne of God Not predestinate Christ made lawes He made none in power Protestants That Christ was predestinate the Sonne of God is Arianisme See art 2. Scripture Teach them to obserue all things whatsoeuer I haue commanded you Protestants Christ is no lawmaker no lawgiuer who gaue anie new law to the world See art 7. Scripture Beare ye one an others burdens and so ye shall fulfill Christs Ghospell a law the law of Christ Protestants The Ghospell must not be called a new law Art No law 7. cit Scripture And he hath giuen him power to doe iudgment Christ a iudge because he is the Sonne of man Protestants Christ is not iudge He shall not exercise the last No iudge iudgment as man See art 8. Scripture For these are the twoe testaments Twoe testaments Protestants There are not twoe testaments See art 9. Not twoe Christ learnt nothing Scripture How doth this man know letters whereas he hath not learned Protestants Christ was so ignorant as he learnt and was He laernt taught as men are See art 10. Scripture It was seemly that we should haue such a high preist Christ no sinner holie innocent impolluted separated from sinners VVho did not sin Protestants Christ was a sinner and that truly we must not He was a sinner imagin Christ to be innocent He confesseth his delicatenes ouerwhelmed with desperation he gaue ouer calling vpon God He needed baptisme See art 11. Scripture This is my beloued sonne in whome I am well pleased Christ beloued of God Protestants God made Christ by imputation a sinner or Hatefull of God vniust guiltie hatefull to God See art 11. cit Scripture This commandment of giuing my life I receaued Christ commanded to die Not commāded He sufficiently redeemed Not sufficiētly of my Father Protestants They say A law was made that Christ should die But this is against Scripture See art 14. Scripture The Sonne of man is come to giue his life a redemtion in Greek 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for manie Protestants They erre saying that Christs death was a sufficiēt redemption 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for the sinnes of all Christ died not sufficiently for all See art 16. Scripture He hath reconciled in the bodie of his flesh by He redeemed vs by death death Pacifiing by the blood of his crosse Protestants Nothing had beene done if Christ had suffered Not by death only corporall death Reason it selfe teacheth that only corporall death of Christ was not sufficient to redeeme them who had deserued death both of bodie and soule Se more art 17. Scripture Christ did die for the impious They denie him Christ died for the impious and damned Not for them that bought them the lord bringing vpon them selues speedie perdition Protestants Christ did not giue him self for the impious and reprobates He shed not his blood for the sinnes of the impious damned See more art 18. Scripture who is the Sauiour of all men especially of the Sauiour of all faithfull VVho gaue him selfe a redemption for all Protestants It is not Christ the Redeemer of all No. Christ Not Sauiour of all is the Redeemer only of the elect and of none els See more art 18. and 19. Scripture He is the propitiation of our sinnes and not of our Propitiation for the sins of the world Not for the sins of the world His soule went to hel Not to hel Entred the dores being s●ut Not being shut sinnes onely but also for the whole worlde Protestants They speake amisse who say that by Christs death the sinnes of the whole world were redeemed See art 19. cit Scripture Thou shalt not leaue my soule in hel Protestants Christs soule neuer went to the places of hel Christs soule did not descend to hel See art 21. Scripture Iesus cometh the dores being shut and stood in the midst Protestants Christ by his diuine
promise wil be abrogated In Philippen 1. ver 28. Certainly the Scripture no where teacheth that the afflictions which the Saintes suffer of the wicked are cause of their saluation Beza in Confess c. 4. sect 19. For these things are not so to be vnderstood as if our workes were cause of our saluation ether wholy or in parte Peter Martyr in Rom. 9. God workes are no true cause of eternall saluation Zanchius l. 5. de Natura Dei cap. 2. q. 7. The workes of the godlie are no true causes of euerlasting happines but onely the meanes by which as it were by degrees the elect are mercifully ledde into the euerlasting and heauenlie cittie Pareus libr. 4. de Iustificat cap. 7. Our aduersarie concludeth false that the kingdome of heauen is giuen for good workes Tilenus in Syntagmate cap. 48. Good workes in respect of No cause at all saluation can be no cause at all THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely teacheth not onely that we shall possesse the kingdome of heauen because we haue done good workes that we shall reape life euerlasting of the spirit that the soule liueth for iustification that sorrow according to God worketh saluation that afflictiction worketh glorie and is cause of saluation but also in the same manner saieth that the elect shall possesse heauen because they haue done good deeds as it saieth that the reprobats shall goe into euerlasting fire because they haue done ill deeds So it saieth that the soule liueth for iustification as it saieth the bodie dieth for sinne In like sorte it saieth that sorrow according to God maketh saluation as it saieth that sorrow of the world worketh death Euen in the same sorte it saieth that of sowing in spirit we shall reap life euerlasting as it saieth that of sowing in flesh we shall reape corruption And in the same kind of speach saieth that persecution is cause of saluation to those who suffer it as it saieth that it is cause of damnation to those who make it The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that affliction is not cause of saluation that the heauenlie in heritance cometh not to vs by workes that the life is not giuen for good workes that we are not rewarded for good workes not saued for workes that saluation dependeth not of workes that workes are no way cause saluation are no cause of it ether wholy or in parte Which do so plainely contradict the Scripture as therefore Illyricus is forced to reproue the Scripture For this he writeth in Claue tractat 6. cit tit de varia bonorum operum praedicat col 551. We heare that toto great effects and praises yea euen saluation it selfe is attributed of the Scripture to good workes It manifestly appeareth that very often to much paise is giuen by Scripture to good workes which doth not agree to them nor is to be attributed if we will speake exactly truely and properly Behould how plainely he saieth that Scripture attributeth to great effects vnto good workes attributeth saluation vnto them attributeth very oftentime to much praise vnto them and such effects as agree not to them nor are to be be attributed to them if we will speake truely But surely if the Scripture attributeth to much to good workes and that which doth not agree to them and which is not to be attributed to them if we will speake truely the Scripture in so doing doth falsely But whether the Scripture or Illyricus know better what is to be attributed to good workes let Christians iudge ART XVI WHETHER GOOD WORKES be a testimonie of iustice and predestination SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. 1. Ioan. 2. ver 5. But he that keepeth his word in him in By good workes we know we are in God That we are translated from death God workes make election sure very deed the charitie of God is perfited in this we know that we be in him cap. 3. ver 14. We know that we are translated from death to life because we loue the brethren And ver 21. If our hart do not reprehend vs we haue confidence towards God 2. Peter 1. vers 10. Wherefore brethren labour the more that by good workes you may make sure your vocation and election CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME D. Stapleton in Rom. 9. ver 11. If we beleiue Saint Peter the certaintie of our saluation and consequently of the election is concluded in doing of good workes not in the onely purpose of God PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Confessio Wittenbergensis C. de Confess We know that Workes make but doubt and despaire if we looke vnto our workes we should not onely doubt but also despaire of our saluation Ministri Electorales in Colloq Aldeburg pag. 427. We No certaintie by good must certainely determine out of the word of God deliuered and proposed vnto vs and not out of the feeling of infused newnesse of life as it were by an effect that by faith freely for and by Ch●ist we haue remission of sinnes Caluin 3. Instit c. 2. § 38. If we must iudge by workes how God is affected toward vs I confesse that we can haue but a small ghesse all it De necessitate reform pag. 47. What shall man A small ghesse by workes Matter of doubt and despaire Of trembling find in his workes but matter of doubting and at length of despairing And in Antidot Concili Sess 6. cap. 8. As long as we looke what we are we must tremble before God so farre are we from hauing certaine and vnshaken hope of eternall life In Rom. 4. v. 14. We are vtterly lost and vndone if we be sent to our workes when we must seeke the cause or certaintie of our saluation In 1. Ioan. 3. v. 22. Woe to vs if we looke to our workes Nothing but matter of feare which haue nothing in them but matter of feare Pareus lib. 1. de Iustificat cap. 10. The trust of remission of sinnes nether dependeth nor riseth of a good conscience l. 3. c. 2. Our faith and trust doth reape nothing of our owne disposition but feare of deceit doubt and anxietie Et l. 4. p. 625. Of our owne Of doubt and anxietie accord we graunt that if faith must relie vpon inherent iustice we must not onely doubt of grace and iustice but also perpetually tremble THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely saieth that we know that we are in God by keeping of his word that we know we are translated from death to life because we loue our brethren that we haue trust toward God if our hart do not reprehend vs that we make our vocation and election certaine by good workes The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that by workes we haue no certaine trust that trust nether dependeth nor riseth of a good conscience that by workes we cannot haue anie small ghesse how God is affected towards vs that we are vndone if we must seeke the certaintie of our saluation out of workes that in workes is nothing found
doctrine of the law not of the Ghospell Caluin ib. We gather that this answere of Christ is according to the law Illyricus in Claue part 2. tract 6. col 543. That all be bound vnder payne of losse of eternall life to doe good and auoid sinne is a sentence of the law and must and ought to be corrected and restrained by the Protestant Ghospell or by remission of sinnes Peter Martyr in Rom. 11. That saying Forgiue and it shal be forgiuen is a precept and therefore pertaineth to the law Melancthon in Apologia tom 3. c. de argumentis The promise of reconciliation and of eternall life is free but proper legall promises are added for workes as who shall giue a draught of water shall not want his reward Wherefore thus I frame my eleuenth argument Who not onely contradict the expresse words of Scripture but also are compelled to turne conditionall propositions of Scripture into absolute and to delude them diuers other waies do contradict also the sincere meaning of the Scripture But thus doe Protestants Therefore c. CHAPTER XII THAT PROTESTANTS CHANGE manie causall propositions of Scripture into not causall THE 12. argument for to proue that Protestants contradict the true sense of Scripture shal be because they are compelled in manie and weightie controuersies to turne causall propositions into not causall For is we proue that Christ was exalted for his humiliation because it is saied Philippen 2. ver 8. He humbled himselfe made obedient vnto death euen the death of the crosse For For the which thing God hath exalted him Caluin ibid. answereth That illatiue particle wherefore in this place signifieth rather consequence then cause And 2. Instit c. 17. § vlt. The solution is easie that Paul there speaketh not of the cause of Christs exaltation but onely sheweth the consequence And Daneus Controuer 2. pag. 201. The particle For which sheweth the order and continuation of the speach not the cause for which If we proue the same out of those wordes Hebrew 2. ver 9. We see Iesus because of the passion of death crowned with glorie and honour Caluin ib. answereth Because of the passion of death is as much as if he had saied Christ hauing died was raised to this glorie which he hath gotten For the meanes onely that I may so speake of obtaining glorie is declared If we proue that confession of faith is cause of saluatiō as faith is cause of iustification out of those words Rom. 10. ver 10. For with heart we beleiue vnto iustice but with the To. mouth confesson is made to saluation Caluin ib. answereth We must not gather thereof that confession is cause of saluation he ment onely to tell how God doth perfect our saluation It is a necessitie of perpetuall consequence not that he attributeth saluation to confession Hunnius lib. de Iustificat p. 186. saieth That Confession to saluation is the same that confession of saluation Which the Electorall Ministers in Colloq Aldeburg p. 295. affirme to be a corruption of Scripture If we proue that keeping of the commandements is cause of our freindship with God by those words Ioan. 15. v. 14. You are my freinds if you doe the things that I commād If. you Caluin ib. answereth He meaneth not that we get so much honour by anie merit of ours but onely admonisheth vs vpon what condition he receaueth vs into grace and vouchsafeth to reckon vs among his freinds If we proue that the forgiuenesse of our sinnes dependeth vpon our forgiuing of others out of those words Luc. 11. v. 4. Forgiue vs our sinnes for because our selues also do Because forgiue euerie one that is in debt to vs. Caluin in Math. 6. v. 11. answereth Neuerthelesse forgiuenesse which we demand for our selues dependeth not of that which we giue but by this means Christ would exhorte vs to forgiue all offenses and withall confirme more our trust of forgiuenesse as it were by fealing it Nether skilleth it that in Luke is the particle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is as much as For because or For because Christs meaning was not to note the cause but onely to aduertise what kind of mind we ought to haue towards our brethren whiles we seeke to be reconciled to God If we proue that by charitie we be made the sonnes of God out of those words Math. 5. ver 45. But I say to you That loue your enemies doe good to them that hate you and pray for them that persecure and abuse you that you may be the children of your father which is in heauen Calum ib. answereth Vnderstand not that by our beneficence we become the children of God But because the same Spirit which is witnesse assurance and seall of our free adoption doth correct the naughtie affectiōs of the flesh which are contrarie to charitie Christ proueth by the effect that no others are the children of God but those who resemble him in clemencie and meeknes If we proue that loue is the cause of forgiuing sinnes by those words Luc. 7. v. 47. Manie sinnes are forgiuen her Because because she hath loued much Aretius in locis part 1. fol. 84. answereth Because is taken ostentiuely not causatiuely This is so necessarie as the place cannot be otherwise vnderstood The like hath Illyricus in Claue part 2. tract 4. Polanus in disp priuat 36. If we proue that keeping of the commandments is cause of obtaining what we pray for out of those words 1. Ioan. 3. v. 22. Whatsoeuer we shall aske we shall receaue of Because him because we keep his commandements Caluin ibidem answereth He meaneth not that our trust in praier consisteth in our workes but this onely he vrgeth that pietie and sincere worshippe of God cannot be seperated from faith Nether must it seeme absurd that he vseth the causall particle though he meane not of the cause for the inseperable accident vseth sometime to be put for the cause If we proue that workes are cause of reward out of these words Math. 16. ver 27. He will render to euerie man According according to his workes Caluin ibid. answereth As often as reward is promised to good workes the cause of saluation is not shewed but the faithfull are onely encouraged to doe well because they are assured that they shall not leese their labour If we proue that good workes are cause of eternall happines out of these words Math. 25. v. 34. Possessethe For. kingdome c. For I was hungrie and you gaue me to eate And c. 25. v. 23. Because thou hast beene faithfull ouer a few things I will place the ouer manie things enter into the ioy of thy Lord. And Apocal. 7. ver 14. These are they which are come out of Therefore great tribulation c. therefore they are before the throne of God Pareus lib. 5. de Iustificat c. 3. saieth The answere of all Protestants is that the causall particle in the