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A89845 A publike discovery, of the open blindness of Babels builders, and their confused language, who have been building without, till they deny faith, knowledge and the Gospel light within, the law of the new covenant, and matter of the new creature. Plainly laid open in an answer to a book intituled A publike discovery of a secret deceipt, subscribed John Deacon, in behalf of some who pretend a call to the ministry. Wherein their first queries their replyes; their answers to my queries, and their last queries is answered, and their whole work laid open, and the end thereof with queries sent back, by them to be answered, that their boasting spirit may be farther revealed, & its blindness. Here is also some of their confusions taken out of the heap, and set by themselves to be seen, how they will stand in the eye of truth, where but the least measure of God is known. / By an enemy to deceit, but a friend to the creation, called James Naylor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N305; Thomason E870_2; ESTC R204793 29,385 50

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in you blind busie minds vvill be babbling you knovv not as the least Child of light shall judge yon And seeing you are telling of Paradise of the fall of man and the Law written in his heart and many such things your curious mind runs into give an Answer in plainness to these Queries so shall we make farther publique proof of what you have learned and of whom whether of Christ or of the Serpent which you call Christ 1. WHither and from what did man fall seeing God spake to him in the Garden after his fa● And whether the Resurrection must be to that from whence he fell or no 2. What death that was Adam died that day he eat the forbidden seeing Adam lived many hundred years after 3. What was the ground of Adams obedience before the fall and what is the ground of mans obedience in Christ and wherein do they differ and in what particulars 4. Is it possible that any Believer can bring forth the same fruits in Christ that was in man before the fall or fruits better or fruits not so good or in what particular shall they differ as to the ground and rise thereof And also as to the acceptance with God 5. What the seed of the Serpent is and what the seed of the Woman is and whether they be within people or no and whether they can both rule in one person at once and whether the seed of the Woman must not be where the Serpent is when he br●●es his head and what is it that can let every particular man see this done if he mind it 6. Whether that law of the new Covenant spoken on Heb. 8. which is by the Lord written in the heart be the same in every particular with that which you say was writ in Adams heart before the fall or wherein does it differ and how may the difference be known 7. Where is that City the Saints were fellow Citizens of what it is and how may one know when they are in it and whether any that commits sin is in that City yea or no 8. What is that beast that rose up out of the Sea and what that beast that came up out of the Earth wherein do they differ how may they be known that men may not worship neither of them 9. What is that which is dead in trespasses and sins in an unbeliever and whether the reading of the Letter can quicken it or can any understand the Letter while they are so dead 10 What that mystery of faith is that is held in a pure Conscience since you say the faith and knowledge of the Disciples was not within and whether that faith and knowledge that is from without not within can save and bring to know God 11. What faith and knowledge that is which you say is without a man and how may any know when they have it 12. How must the Gospel be made known to the soul seeing you say it is not made known by seeing within 13. The Word of God at the first being the Matter wheron the Image of God was made in man how comes it now to be changed seeing you now say the mind and will of man is the Matter and then the M●nistry of man as the Matter and is not this blasphemous confusion 14. Seeing you 〈…〉 Letter of the Law was given nor was they imputed what was the cause of the Old World drowning and Sodom and Gomorrahs burning with fire and whether was not their sins imputed to them 15. What the soul of man is and how a creature may know when it is in death and when it is raised to life eternal 16. What that grace of God is that brings salvation and hath appeared to all men and how it hath appeared to all men and how it brings salvation 17. What that inward man is that is renewed dayly though the outward man perish seeing you say the new birth is nothing else but a sanctified mind and whether the new birth be a substance yea or no 18. Whether such as have changed their manner of worship from that manner which the Saints worshipped in and then wrest the Scriptures to uphold it be true worshippers or can be truely said to take the Scriptures for their rule 19. Whether ever any Minister of Christ did go into the Idols Temple to pray and worship in that manner you do in any one particular or did they sue people for Tythes or Money for so doing did they or their Hearers bear in their Synagogues or hale before Rulers such as opposed them or did they ever make use of an outward Law to inflict upon any mans person or to spoyle their goods or was they who did so any Christians 20. What is the Cross of Christ and how doth the Creature take it up and how is it preached and what is the offence of it and how is it the power of God to salvation and how doth it become a stumbling block and how doth the offence of it cease 21. How is Christ the light of the world and how is it he lighteth every man that cometh into the world 〈…〉 and how are all things that are made manifest upon us by the light and what is the cause that so many remain in darkness 22. What that tongue of the Egyptian Sea is and how must it be smitten in the seven streams that men may go over dryshoed 23. Whether the new birth be not Christ formed in the Creature and whether that be not a substance and are not you utterly blind who sayes its nothing else but a sanctified mind and the will of man and his Ministry is the matter of it Answer plainly and do not send a deal of railing and mis-calling and bitterness lying and false accusing in stead of Answers as you have hitherto done Also view my former Queries over again and your pretences and for shame never call those for Answers which scarcely answer to the true end of any one particular FINIS
at the plow I am not ashamed of it knowing it to be a lawful employment much better then the hireling that works not at all but lives on other mens labours taking by violence what 's other mens labours but seeing the plow is a reproach with you why should not the tythes be so also which are a fruit of the plow but it seems there is a generation to whom the plow is a reproach but the sheaves gentile but the scorners will do scornfully Quer. 15. If you are perfectly f●ee from sin as you assert you are what then is the sting of death or are you in the flesh immortal on earth Answ 15. The former part of this Quere I return thee back wi●h the latter part of thy foregoing being both of one root but to the latter part I answer where the new birth is witnessed which is not of corruptible seed but incorruptible partakers of the Divine Nature the life of Christ made manifest in mortal flesh and where life and immortality is brought to light there the sting of death is seen to be abolisht on earth but this Cains generation knows not where death reigns and therefore would murther such as are translated from death to life Reply answered In this after your old manner your Reply is O incomparable hypocritical lyar And forthwith a challenge is made to try the contest whether you or I be the lyar And you say my own writings must decide the Controversie And the charge is that I have said expresly them who say they have faith and yet their life is not the life of Christ and say they cannot be saved from their sins in this world but in part them and their faith we deny So if I have not denied this in my Answer to this Query then you are the lyars but if I have then I must be he but have you not here with your hasty railing lost your senses to put your case to tryal in so plain a thing where there is not the least shew of a word seeming to deny this in the whole Answer neither is there one word here wherein perfection is asserted so stay till I assert it in my own behalfe till then your consequence from what another said will not clear your quere of a lye cast upon me but afterward you are made to confess your lyes in both queries in these words say you for charity take this that the former part of my last query and the latter part of this are both of one root to wit the false doctrine of your spirit which is a lying one so you confess to what I told you they was so the Controversie is decided in this business and the incomperable hypocritical lyar hath confessed to the lye and what spirit it is of Que. 16. And if you have no sin to what end is Christ beneficial as an Advocate Intercessor and Mediator or is he no such Answ 16. Christ that gives a man a light to see his sin who redeems and cleanseth him from sin is of use to us and all that knows him as the Mediator and of use to keep his from the wicked one and that he toucheth them not 1 John 5. 18. And the same who sets from sin is he that keeps free from sin and this benefit we have by him as Advocate Intercessor and Mediator Ephes 16. 17. Reply answered In this the pit mouth opens againe and outcomes O Secret Deceiver with a lye at the end of it and that is that I grant what I lately denied and that must be that I asserted that I am perfectly free from sin With another lye on the Apostle John the end of which is to deny Christ to be an Advocate for the righteous where sin is not committed your words are these But if any man sin not else we have an Advocate with the Father And then you conclude if you have no sin then is Christ useless So by your Doctrine to obtain the end of Christs comming which is to set free from sin is to make Christ useless when the same Apostle saith He that abides in Christ sins not doth he make Christ useless or is it not he alone that can keep that the evil one touch not in whom he is and they in him But the lyars never knew what it was to be in him nor kept by him further then to ●nbolden your selves in the worlds wickedness by talking of him you know not And it is no strange thing to see you pervert my words all into a lye when you date turn the Scriptures into a lye to deny Christ to be an Advocate unless men sin saying not else which the Scripture saith not so he is no Advocate in prayer with you and spiritual worship so you have said enough to shew your knowledge in Christ as he is Advocate Intercestor and Mediator Quere 17. And if you be perfect in purity what is the cause you are not also perfect in glory Answ 17. Perfect glory is perfect purity and every one according to their measures are glorified therewith but this world knows not whose glory fadeth neither can they judge of it with their impure spirit 2 Cor. 3. 18. And of this glory all the Saints have a measure in this life but the world hates it Reply answered What you say in this is suitable to the former and one answer is to both Quer. 18. And if you disown method in teaching I Quere whether you have any command against it and whether you esteem better then uniformity Answ 18. That method and teaching which is out of the Doctrine of Christ which is in the wisedom of man and in the wisdom of words of mans wisedom out of the unity of the light of Christ and his Spirit this we see to be confusion and not uniformity and against it we have a command which was judged with the spirit of the Apostles so do we 1 Cor. 2. Reply answered In this Answer I am rendred as a fool though before a subtile Sophister and you say rather deserve to be laughed at then in the least to be replied to I say had you said as little to all the rest you had shewed more wisdom and less lying though your scornful laughter I justifie not Quer. 19. Whether ever intentively the Gospel was promised to be made known or practically that it was made known without the means to wit the Ministration of man if not why then do you resist it Answ 19. The Gospel was made known and promised intnetively and practically to the servants and children of God without the Ministration of man as to Adam Enoch Noah Abraham Isaiah and all the Propets John Baptist Simeon the Shepherds Paul and divers others and the same he doth at this day and none can limit him nor do I resist what meanes he uses but such as resist his works deny his light and would limit him Gen. 3. 15. Gen. 9 9. Gen. 17. 7. Luk. 3. 20. Luk. 2. 10.
in their heart which God shewed them c. Deal plainly a●d let people know how it now comes to be without and denied within as it is by you Prove your practice and judgement herein by plain Scripture 3. Answer and Reply In this Answer you charge me with two lyes first concerning Christ preaching the Kingdom of God within unbelievers and to prove that a lye you change that Scripture Luk. 17 21. which saith the Kingdom of God is within you to among you The second lye you charge me with is because I said the Apostle said that they came to the knowledge of God and his Glory by that light that shone in their hearts To which I say it s no lye for none ever came to the knowledge of God otherwise but by that spiritual light and that the Apostle said so 2 Cor. 4. 6. may testifie and that Scripture Rom. 1. 19. which saith that which may be known of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it to them this you say cannot be the spirit of God or Christ thus being stark blind you utter your lyes and confusions without sahme and would cast them upon others but how should you believe the Kingdom of God within who say faith and knowledge is not within Quer. 4. Whether that new birth spoken of in the Scriptures be Christ within or some other thing and if not he then what is it and how people may know it by the letter without the light when they have Christ and when they have a spirit of delusion and whether the light of the spirit alone be sufficient without the letter to reveal the Son of God the Father and all Truth and judge of all spirits what soever without any addition to it 4. Answer and Reply In this Answer you run a wild chase telling of Adam and Eden much the like things which you know naught of and then you tell of the matter whereof the New Man is made and you say the Mind and Will of Man is the Matter to which I say that 's like all the New Man you know so the second Adam is made of the Mind and Will of the first The Saints had Christ formed in them which was their new birth but is he formed of the Will of Man the new birth of the Saints is not of the Will of Man nor of the Will of the Flesh but of God but your birth is of the Will of Man and such like babling stuff not worth mentioning after you but leaves the Quere unanswered only addes a lye in the conclusion that our spirit opposes the commands in the Letter Quer. 5. Whether the least measure of saving faith in Christ Jesus be not present power above the Devil and all the powers of darkness which if it be then what is the cause that men must be captivated to commit sin while they live Whether it is want of faith or that there is not power in faith to overcome the evil one or hath any faith in Christ farther then they haue power over sin and the world or is there any rest to a believer short of that power 5. Answer and Reply In your Answer to this Quere your whole work is to plead for sin and that the greatest fulness cannot except from actual sin and in the conclusion you render it as a dangerous thing lest they should fight against Gods Counsel and Determination as though God had determined actual sin yet dare not deny the Quere but say the least measure of faith in Christ is sufficient to keep from the dominion of sin as though sin had not dominion where it is acted and such like confused stuff you utter lest any should believe freedom from sin and you lose your Kingdome Quer. 6. Seeing you say the Scriptures is the ground of faith and that they who can read the Scriptures have power to believe as you did the last first day then I say can any believe who have not read or heard the Scriptures if yea then is not their faith without ground by your opinion or is there more grounds of faith then one or is the Scriptures Christ 6. Answer and Reply In stead of answering this you call me a lyar for telling you the truth the time and place where and when you did affirm that whereof I told you in my Quere and hundreds may witness it for which I then withstood thee and thy companions among whom it was spoken Quer. 7. Seeing you affirm that none can be Ministers of Christ but who are called of Man and are learned men whether was the Apostle Paul a true Minister who saith he was neither of man nor by man and what he preached was not after man Nor was it but by revelation Gal. 1. 2 11 12. Or was Peter John and the rest true Ministers who were unlearned and ignorant men Act. 4. 13. and what lets that God may not chuse such now 6. Answer and Reply This is answered like the former by denying what thou and thy companions did affirm at the Mouth before many witnesses and if thou said some and another other some and all was as one was it not affirmed by you but it s no new thing to say in words what you will deny when you should prove in writing but be●ng called lyar by thee is little matter so many knowing I speak truth Farther thou sayest I oppose Christs commands and bely his Institutions in general wh●ch are but two lyes more to the number Another lye you tell of God saying you dare boldly assert that God never did nor never will use any extraordinarie meanes to destroy the ordinarie I say was not the brazen Serpent outward Circumcision and Carnal Ordinances ordinary means and did he not by the extraordinary means of his spirit destroy these and if it thus befal that which he had commanded when they committed Idolatry therewith then what shall become of your Idol-worship such as he never commanded now at his spiritual appearing though the Heathen had bespoiled of their Idols yet down you must and the event will declare it Quer. 8. What eye is that which the God of this world hath blinded how he hath blinded it and how it is opened and by what and whether the Letter can open it yea or no 8. Answer and Reply This you excuse saying you have not read any such thing I say its a hard lesson for the blinde to read but that eye was Christ and his Ministers sent to open of which you are blinde and cannot read Quer. 9. Whether the true Ministery of Christ be the same now for matter means and maintenance that it was in Apostles time or when was it changed into great Livings Tythes and set Maintenance and by whom and in what must it now differ from these 9. Answer and Reply In this you have excluded all the Parish Ministerie in the Nation in that you say the Ministerie of Christ is the same now for matter