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A13763 Newes from the north. Otherwise called The conference betvveen Simon Certain, and Pierce Plowman, faithfully collected and gathered by T.F. student T. F., student. 1579 (1579) STC 24062; ESTC S118412 60,813 88

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executors That is very true also quoth Pierce except they be wicked persons bothe the sufferer and the executor Then quoth our Hoste séeing all punishments are fear full and gréeuous vnto the sufferer therof no pleasure but rather sorowe and gréefe of hart vnto the erecutors therof such and so must néeds be the first causes and occasiōs therof That is very true quoth Pierce You knowe quoth our Hoste that the causes and occasiōs of punishment is sin wickednes and misgouernment of life for the woord of God telleth vs that the reward of sinne is death All that is very true quoth Pierce Very well then quoth our Hoste these Propositions which you haue graunted doo suffise for the matter which I haue taken in hand to prooue which is that these great Fées and charges were neuer ment nor yet are receiued or conuerted into priuate or proper vse I pray you Neighbour quoth Pierce let me heare how it is prooued for I promise you faithfully for any thing I haue yet herd your prooues are farther to fet You knowe quoth our Hoste that the nature of the vngooly is to be quarelous and contencious and dayly prouoking one an other and also to take no wrong doo no right That is very true quoth Pierce You knowe quoth our Host that the common weapō wher with they wil be auēged vpon eche other is the Law which indéed is the Magistrate as ye haue already graunted so that vpon the matter he is made the executor of their wilfulnes and vengeaunce which they will néeds doo vpon eche other which thing you haue alredy confessed to be gréeuous and vnpleasant to euery good man Therfore hath it euer béen and yet is thought and that very wisely and truely that the likeliest way meane to disswade their wilfulnes which no reason looue nor feare of GOD could disswade was to make their wilfulnes as déere and as heauy vnto them as reasonably might be doon to the end that they should not so lightly and for euery trifle ver and trouble bothe the Magistrate one an other which effect although it failed to woork that their madnes would not be restrayned therby that yet their vngodlines might return to the profit and reléefe of others their Neighbours Brethern that were better affected so by one self and same meane the vngodly punished fléeced and the godly amended inriched therby that this was their meaning y was the first assessors therof common experience teacheth vs for in néedfull and necessary actions as debt detinew and account and such like the charges are so reasonable as that no man would in conscience giue lesse The reason is for that they are actions of common right and such as must néeds day by day arise betwéene a man and his Brother neither doo they dishonest either of the parties which I dare not affirm vpon actions vpon cases neither did they so iudge of them as I verily beléeue and therfore did they set double and treble charges thereupon for greater is the charges in a brabble for a woord spoken then for thrée hundred pound of honest det So that the Magistrate who for such Ale house actions and brabbles should otherwise neuer be at rest except he should deny them his help which might be slaunderous and perillous to the whole estate The Magistrate I say of pure pittie and compassion was forced to set great charges vpon them for the small fauour that he bare vnto them vnto their first causes occasions The greatnes of all which charges not withstanding yet doo we dayly sée how the vngodly run togither by heaps like brute beasts and yet I dare safely say that by the greatnes of these charges and the terrour therof many a brabling matter hath béene and is dayly put vp without any reuenge sought therof and many a one hauing pursued and recouered in his action yet haue his charges so gallded him that he hath béene easier to deale with all his life after And so by this meane many a wilfull body brought to knowe him self and to honor God therby I cannot tell Neighbour Simon quoth Pierce but I my self haue had two or thrée brabbles that haue kept me dooing these seuen yéeres in which time I am sure I haue spent abooue fiftie pound beside my charges to and fro losse of time and my hinderaunce at home And what haue ye gotten for all this quoth our Hoste These papers quoth he Wel woorth fiftie points quoth our Hoste I think verily quoth our Hoste if any honest Neighbour had néeded to haue borowed ten Pound therof you would not haue it so ready to haue pleasured him withall If I should say truely quoth Pierce I think the very same What are you assessed vnto the poore in your parish quoth our Hoste A peny a wéek quoth Pierce And think you that enough quoth our Hoste Yea verily quoth Pierce Loe Sir quoth our Hoste whether commeth this vnto my saying and maintenaunce of these great Fées and charges or not Who can deny the excellency of this institution wherby the Couetous vngodly men are shot one against an other and doo punish eche other and wherby also so plentiful prouision is made for the godly poore at their charges and yet no thank to them therfore and that those things from the which they would depart vnto any Honest or godly vse or purpose with as good will as from their eyes to be plucked out of their heads or their tripes out of their bellyes by this meane vndesired of their owne accord they bring it in by handfuls so as it hath béene sayd plentiful prouision made for their godly Neighbours at their charges and yet no thank vnto them therfore Call you this a prouiding for the poore Neighbour quoth Pierce I would I had giuen you the best horse in my Plough to make this saying true and I swere to you quoth he prooue it true and you shall haue him yet or this day Seuen night for that would case my hart if I might perceiue that any godly person hath fared the better or were amended by any parte of all my great expences For then yet should I think that I haue doone some good with all the losse of my money Why Neighbour Pierce quoth Simon doo you doubt that all these sommes or the greatest part therof commeth not to the vse of the common welth and to the reléefe and sustenaunce of the godly poore and other easements of common things in maintenaunce of the common Welth Nay Neighbour Simon quoth he I dout it not for I am fully perswaded the contrary Truely Neighbour Pierce quoth he this is an vncharitable and a very erronious oppinion and that I will prooue vnto you by reasons manifest and apparant such as your self haue alredy graunted confessed I pray you neighbour Simō quoth Pierce let me heare how Simon approoueth these fees and charges as publique and not priuate by
he and then I shall giue you an answere héerin so causing him to tary dinner he let him depart and this was vpon a Thursday The next day béeing Friday this Gentleman sent for the Farmer of the same péece of land who came thither with him thrée hansome young men his sonnes So when he was by the Landlords commaundement brought before him he asked him of what age he was He answered lxxv yéeres He asked him how long he had dwelled in that Farm. He answered that he had dwelt there all his life for he was borne in it and his father before him You knowe quoth the Gentleman that I am now become your Landlord I knowe it very wel quoth he and I beséech you of your fauour What will you giue for a new lease of xxi yéeres quoth the Gentleman for you knowe your olde lease is néer an end Sir quoth y poore man let me giue you reason only that I may be able to dooe my Prince and your woorship seruice to reléeue my poore neighbours as hitherto I haue doone and haue béene wel able Very wel quoth the Gentleman be héere againe vppon Munday next and then ye shall vnderstand more The poore man his duty doon departed The next Munday béeīg Mūday next before Bartholmew day the poore Man was come again and brought with him a couple of fat Capōs about an houre or twaine after came this Churle very wel mounted his Gelding not déere of x. I. and behinde him was trussed a fat Buck which he presented vnto the Gentleman by one of his seruants To be short he was willed to come in to the M. into a close little Parlor whither were called also this olde Farmer I my self whom it pleased him to vouch safe all courtesie and humanitie bothe in this and also in other matters so that only wée foure were there sauing a young man attendant vpon his person This doon the Gentleman began fréend quoth he what accusatiō doo you bring against this poore man pointing him to the Farmer Sir ꝙ be none I doo not knowe the man No quoth the Gentlemā except ye can accuse him of euil ye haue alredy condemned your self therof would doo me Why so Sir quoth he Mary Sir quoth the Gentleman for he cannot be guiltlesse of euill that séeketh the destructiō and death of a guiltlesse man. Sir quoth the fellowe ye charge me wrongfully I neuer sought any mans death Sir quoth the Gentleman he that seeketh to take away the sustenaunce of a mans life y man say I séeketh his death that by so much a more cruel mean as it is a more cruell and fearfull death to starue of hunger or colde then it is to be quickly and readily dispatched and murthered and so soone rid out of payne Ye haue quoth he desired to take this poore mans Farm from him béeing his only stay and haue so bidden for it that I know he may not liue but in extreme misery if he take it at your hands Sir ꝙ be yée are the first great purchaser y euer I heard of this opinion I haue six Farmes quoth he takē all after this maner at their hands that doo think them selues bothe wise and woorshipfull yet was there neuer put vnto me such a problem as this by any of them yet drink I a C. l. a yéer by them abooue all charges Fréend quoth y Gentleman other mens dooing are no president vnto me further then they stand with my dutie vnto God and with the discharging of my calling for he hath bidden vs by his prophet to stand vp and enquire after the olde wayes and if they be good then to goe in them or els not which béeing spoken generally vnto all estates how much more vnto them of my calling and therfore admitting that such hard extreme dealing might stand with the dutie of euery priuat person either vnto God or vnto their Countrye common Welth or els with their owne assuraunce which I vtterly deny yet could it not stand with my dutie nor of any man of my calling First for the priuat person to prooue that such extrēe dealing standeth not with his dutie towards God all his cōmandemēts doo manifestly prooue wherin be so straightly cōmandeth vnto vs charitie looue ●enignitie one towards an other without the which a mā dare not say that he looueth God whōe he neuer saw neither that he hath any faith now what looue or charitie is there in him that letteth vnto his Neighbour a lease of hunger want all misery calamitie so molesteth the man which God forbad to doo vnto the Dxe The next to wit it standeth not with his dutie to the common welth the very woord common welth dooth sufficiently showe for if a man liue in the cōmō welth he must haue some of the ioyes frutes therof or els it is to him no common welth namely traueling labouring fore therin neither will be that a man bear any good wil toward that common welth wherin the ioyes sorowes welth and woe are so vnequally deuided this standeth not with the assurance of the common welth which increaseth by the vnitie looue concord falleth decayeth by their contraryes These the two first béeing prooued it resteth me to prooue y such extreme taking exacting standeth all with th assurance of the very partie him self in euery priuat mans case this séemeth straunger harder to prooue then the residue hath béene but it is not so namely vnto him that goeth with the Prophet Dauid into the house of God there inquireth therof for there he shall plainly vnderstand that all is not cléerly gotten that is put into the purse for I my self haue knowen a number quoth he that haue raised iitj. times double y reuenues that their ancesters liued welthily woorshipfully vpō yea before their death would fayne haue solde land if they had had any The cause wherof is for that God who is not present nor called to councell in such extreme taking wil neuer be present nor giue councel or aduise in the bestowing spending of the same either to his honor glory or els to their owne benefit but giueth them ouer to delight in vile and vayne pleasures and to be gainfull and beneficiall vnto the Ministers of voluptuousnes and sensualitie and flatterers whose fréendship endeth when the tap leaueth running and when a man 's owne liuing is gon and spent there is nothing to be had at their hands but a mock or a flout But the Landlord that dealeth wel with his tenant hath of him an assured and vnfained Fréend and that is prooued by the very duties and seruices which by our ancient lawes are incident vnto tenures For what Fréend or what Seruant shall a man finde that wil so abace him self as knéeling vpon his knées his hed vncouered his waste vngirded holding his hands ioynt betwéen the hands of his fréend