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A disputacio[n] of purgatorye made by Ioh[a]n Frith which is deuided in to thre bokes. The first boke is an answere vnto Rastell, which goeth aboute to proue purgatorye by naturall phylosophye. The seconde boke answereth vnto Sir Thomas More, which laboureth to proue purgatorye by scripture. The thirde boke maketh answere vnto my lorde of Rochestre which most leaneth vnto the doctoures
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Frith, John, 1503-1533.
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sure_o believe_v although_o we_o have_v purgatorye_n and_o hell_n to_o among_o us._n and_o this_o may_v well_o be_v gather_v of_o christ_n own_fw-mi word_n luce_n xuj_o 16._o where_o he_o bring_v in_o the_o parable_n of_o the_o rich_a man_n and_o lazarus_fw-la for_o the_o rich_a man_n be_v in_o pain_n desire_v abraham_n to_o send_v lazarus_fw-la unto_o his_o fyve_o brothren_n to_o warn_v they_o that_o they_o may_v not_o come_v in_o to_o that_o fire_n abraham_n answer_v again_o y_fw-es t_o they_o have_v moses_n &_o the_o prophet_n and_o add_v let_v they_o hear_v they_o then_o say_v y_z â—_o tych_a man_n nay_o father_n abraham_n but_o if_o any_o of_o they_o y_fw-mi â—_o be_v de_fw-mi part_v appear_v unto_o they_o them_z will_v they_o believe_v it_o and_o abraham_n conclude_v on_o this_o manner_n if_o they_o believe_v not_o moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n no_o more_o will_v they_o believe_v if_o any_o of_o the_o deed_n shall_v rise_v again_o and_o therefore_o may_v i_o like_o wise_n conclude_v that_o if_o they_o believe_v not_o neither_o yet_o fear_v the_o pain_n which_o moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n you_o and_o christ_n 〈◊〉_d his_o apostle_n have_v prophesy_v to_o fall_v on_o y_fw-es â—_o unfaithful_a they_o will_v they_o not_o believe_v for_o fear_v of_o the_o pain_n of_o purgatorye_n now_o to_o the_o last_o point_n where_o purgatorye_n rastell_n shall_v be_v he_z answer_v as_o you_o shall_v hear_v first_o that_o it_o be_v a_o foolish_a question_n for_o he_o can_v not_o answe_v re_fw-mi unto_o it_o by_o his_o philosophye_n and_o thâ—…_n he_o say_v that_o no_o man_n can_v tell_v neither_o the_o place_n neither_o frith_n yet_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o pain_n here_o make_v he_o s._n thomas_n you_o and_o all_o our_o scoleman_n fole_n by_o cra_fw-la ste_v partelye_o because_o they_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o answer_v unto_o this_o question_n which_o he_o call_v for_n lysh_a and_z partelye_a because_o they_o ful_o determe_v that_o the_o place_n of_o purgatorye_n be_v the_o third_o place_n in_o hell_n and_o also_o assign_v fire_n to_o be_v the_o manner_n of_o the_o pain_n and_o again_o in_o this_o last_o part_n he_o prove_v they_o double_a fole_n once_o because_o they_o stou_v telye_o affirm_v that_o thing_n which_o no_o man_n can_v tell_v as_o rastell_n say_v and_o again_o because_o they_o re_fw-mi strain_v god_n of_o his_o lib_n ertye_n that_o assign_v any_o pla_fw-la ce_fw-fr and_o make_v he_o of_o less_o auctorite_n than_o a_o in_o ferior_fw-la judge_v which_o have_v no_o place_n assign_v he_o but_z maâ—…e_o do_v execution_n and_o punish_v the_o gytlye_o in_o what_o place_n he_o will_n i_o wondre_fw-fr that_o our_o scoleman_n may_v abide_v this_o fellow_n and_o then_o he_o say_v that_o purgatorye_n be_v in_o a_o rastell_n place_n limitatyve_a and_o where_o so_o ever_o god_n do_v limit_n the_o soul_n to_o be_v purge_v there_o be_v the_o 〈◊〉_d we_o place_v of_o that_o soul_n and_o there_o be_v the_o purgatoâ—…_n of_o that_o soul_n so_o that_o a_o man_n may_v gather_v 〈◊〉_d rastell_n that_o the_o soul_n be_v not_o limit_v to_o one_o place_n to_o be_v purge_v and_o punish_v and_o thereto_o agree_v also_o his_o similitude_n of_o y_fw-es â—_o judge_v which_o assign_v one_o to_o be_v punish_v in_o one_o place_n and_z 〈◊〉_d neither_o in_o a_o neither_o place_n even_o at_o his_o pleasure_n if_o such_o gere_n have_v come_v from_o beyond_o the_o see_v it_o shall_v soon_o have_v be_v condemn_v although_o it_o have_v not_o be_v half_o so_o grevous_a agen_v our_o scoleman_n but_o let_v this_o pass_v as_o it_o be_v well_o worthy_a 〈◊〉_d let_v we_o see_v and_o examine_v more_o of_o this_o new-fangled_a philosophye_n now_o be_v we_o come_fw-mi unto_o the_o sixth_o argument_n which_o begin_v in_o the._n 〈◊〉_d chaptre_n y_fw-es â—_o effect_n be_v this_o bepentaunte_n be_v the_o full_a payment_n and_o satisfaction_n argument_n of_o sin_n and_o bring_v remission_n therefore_o as_o soon_o as_o repentance_n be_v take_v god_n of_o his_o justice_n must_v geve_v temission_n and_o so_o there_o aught_o to_o be_v no_o purgatorye_n this_o argument_n be_v nothing_o worth_a for_o the_o frith_n first_o part_n as_o we_o have_v often_o prove_v be_v false_a for_o if_o repentance_n be_v y_o â—_o full_a payment_n and_o very_o sa_o tisfaction_n for_o sin_n then_o die_v christ_n in_o vain_a notwithstondinge_v if_o he_o grant_v this_o first_o part_n to_o be_v true_a neither_o he_o nor_o all_o his_o follow_v shall_v be_v able_a to_o solute_a this_o argument_n while_o they_o live_v but_o because_o we_o will_v be_v short_a let_v we_o pass_v over_o to_o his_o answer_n which_o be_v in_o you_o â—_o xiii_o chap._n in_o solutinge_v this_o argument_n he_o ground_v rastell_n he_o on_o two_o lie_n atonce_o y_fw-es â—_o first_o be_v y_fw-fr â—_o god_n never_o geve_v remission_n except_o he_o see_v in_o we_o a_o convenient_a cause_n countrepaysinge_v his_o justice_n what_o cause_n find_v he_o in_o you_o â—_o man_n y_fw-es â—_o be_v bring_v frith_n unot_v he_o sick_a of_o y_fw-fr â—_o palsaye_v to_o who_o he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d be_v of_o good_a comfort_n son_n thy_o sin_n be_v forgeven_a y_o â—_o mat._n ix_o mar._n two_o luc._n v._n what_o cause_n foun_fw-fr de_fw-fr he_o in_o the_o thief_n that_o be_v crucy_a fy_v with_o he_o but_z y_fw-es â—_o he_o have_v be_v anunthrifte_n all_o his_o life_n long_o and_o yet_o even_o the_o same_o day_n that_o he_o suffer_v with_o christ_n be_v he_o partetaker_n of_o joy_n with_o he_o in_o paradyse_n lu._n xxiii_o where_o be_v purgatory_n they_o 〈◊〉_d where_o be_v the_o punishment_n that_o he_o shall_v have_v suffer_v for_o his_o enormytye_n if_o any_o man_n shall_v suffer_v in_o purgatorye_n it_o be_v like_o y_z t_z this_o these_o shall_v have_v do_v it_o but_o he_o go_v from_o death_n to_o lief_o 〈◊〉_d come_v in_o purgatorye_n wherefore_o i_o may_v 〈◊〉_d y_fw-es â—_o no_o man_n shall_v come_v there_o if_z there_o be_v any_o what_o cause_n i_o pray_v you_o do_v paul_n assign_v as_o touchinge_v out_o redemption_n &_o remission_n of_o our_o imne_n for_o south_n no_v neither_o but_o you_o to_o we_o be_v mâ—…tched_a sinner_n &_o y_fw-es â—_o very_o enemy_n of_o god_n 〈◊〉_d v._o for_o say_v paul_n if_o when_o we_o be_v his_o enemy_n we_o be_v 〈◊〉_d unto_o god_n through_o y_fw-es â—_o death_n of_o 〈◊〉_d his_o son_n much_o more_o now_o we_o be_v reconcyle_v shall_v we_o be_v save_v by_o his_o life_n so_o y_o â—_o in_o we_o be_v no_o manner_n 〈◊〉_d of_o remission_n but_o only_o misery_n and_o sin_n but_o the_o hole_n cause_n of_o y_fw-es â—_o remission_n of_o our_o sin_n nes_z â—…d_v of_o our_o saluaeyon_fw-mi be_v the_o blood_n of_o 〈◊〉_d which_o have_v ful_o 〈◊〉_d y_o â—_o justice_n of_o god_n the_o father_n and_z have_v pacefy_v his_o wrath_n towar_n des_fw-fr we_o that_o believe_v he_o be_v you_o â—_o very_o purgatorye_n for_o all_o faithful_a which_o have_v already_o purge_v ou_fw-fr 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sit_v on_o the_o right_a hand_n of_o y_fw-fr â—_o father_n heb._n i._n the_o second_o lie_n be_v this_o he_z say_v you_o to_o god_n rastell_n of_o his_o justice_n must_v geve_v to_o everye_a thing_n his_o awe_n ne_o which_z own_fw-mi be_v the_o thing_n that_o it_o deserve_v to_o have_v if_o this_o be_v true_a then_o shall_v not_o one_o of_o 〈◊〉_d we_o entre_fw-fr the_fw-fr inheritance_n of_o heaven_n for_z we_o have_v 〈◊〉_d everye_o one_o of_o we_o deserve_a death_n and_o dampnatyon_n for_o as_o paul_n say_v romanorum_fw-la iii._n we_o have_v 〈◊〉_d sin_v and_o want_v the_o glory_n which_o before_o god_n be_v allow_v but_o we_o be_v frelye_o iustefy_v through_o his_o grace_n by_o the_o faith_n that_o be_v in_o thirst_n jesu._n if_o it_o be_v frelye_o through_o his_o grace_n them_z be_v it_o not_o 〈◊〉_d our_o own_o deservinge_v for_o then_o grace_n be_v no_o grace_n and_o contrary_a wise_n if_o it_o be_v by_o our_o own_fw-mi deservinge_v then_o be_v it_o not_o of_o grace_n for_z then_o deseruinge_v be_v not_o deservinge_v romanorum_fw-la 11_o xi_o but_o the_o truth_n be_v this_o that_z god_a of_o his_o mercy_n have_v promise_v unto_o our_o forefather_n his_o dear_a son_n christ_n that_o he_o shall_v deliver_v they_o from_o all_o their_o iniquity_n and_o that_o all_o the_o nation_n of_o the_o world_n shall_v be_v bless_v in_o he_o gen_n twelve_o this_o seed_n he_o promise_v of_o his_o mercy_n and_o fa_fw-it 12_o four_fw-mi who_o also_o he_o send_v in_o the_o time_n that_o he_o 4_o have_v orden_v galata_n 4._o not_o for_o our_o own_fw-mi deservinge_n but_z for_o his_o truth_n sake_n and_o to_o fulfil_v y_fw-mi â—_o he_o have_v promise_v this_o christ_n be_v become_v our_o 1_o right_a wysnes_n 1._o corin._n 1._o so_o that_o y_fw-fr t_o justice_n of_o god_n be_v not_o to_o geve_v we_o that_o we_o
believe_v y_o it_o we_o be_v deceive_v i_o think_v there_o be_v no_o man_n so_o for_n lish_o as_o to_o grant_n he_o this_o but_o if_o master_n more_n re_fw-mi will_v have_v his_o reason_n hold_v he_o must_v argue_v on_o this_o manâ—…r_n the_o 〈◊〉_d and_o infidel_n before_o name_v believe_v that_o there_o be_v a_o purgatorye_n &_o their_o believe_v be_v true_a therefore_o we_o must_v believe_v y_z t_o there_o be_v a_o purgatorye_n now_o solow_v this_o argu_n mean_v sum_n what_o more_o formallye_o here_o may_v i_o put_v he_o to_o the_o proof_n of_o his_o minor_a which_o be_v that_z their_o belefe_v in_o belevinge_v purgatorye_n be_v true_a which_o thing_n he_o shall_v never_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v but_o i_o have_v such_o confidence_n of_o the_o truth_n on_o my_o side_n 〈◊〉_d i_o will_v take_v upon_o i_o to_o prove_v the_o negatyve_a even_o that_o their_o belefe_v be_v not_o true_a as_o 〈◊〉_d purgatorye_n for_o these_o miscreaunte_n which_o 〈◊〉_d purgatorye_n believe_v not_o y_o it_o there_o be_v a_o purgatorye_n for_o we_o that_o be_v christian_a for_o they_o believe_v that_o we_o be_v fall_v from_o all_o truth_n &_o â—…tterlye_v 〈◊〉_d but_o they_o think_v that_o there_o be_v a_o purgatorye_n for_o then selue_o wherein_o they_o be_v purge_v and_o punish_v until_o they_o have_v make_v full_a satisfaction_n for_o their_o sin_n commit_v but_o that_o be_v false_a for_z neither_o turk_n saracene_n paynim_n nor_o jew_n be_v which_o believe_v not_o in_o christ_n have_v or_o ever_o shall_v entre_fw-fr in_o to_o any_o purgatorye_n but_z they_o be_v all_o damp_n n_v wretch_n because_o they_o belâ—…ue_v not_o in_o â—…esu_fw-la christ._n joan._n 3_o now_o since_o they_o be_v deceive_v for_z 3._o they_o have_v no_o purgatorye_n but_o be_v all_o damn_a as_o many_o as_o believe_v not_o alas_o what_o blindness_n be_v that_o to_o argue_v that_o we_o must_v solowe_v they_o which_o be_v both_o blind_a and_o out_o of_o the_o right_a way_n after_o this_o dispute_v he_o by_o natural_a reason_n y_fw-mi â—_o there_o must_v be_v a_o purgatorye_n his_o disputation_n continue_v a_o leffe_n and_o a_o half_a out_z of_o the_o which_o ramires_n 〈◊〉_d take_v all_o his_o book_n and_o so_o be_v all_o his_o apparent_a reason_n disclose_v before_o agen_v rastell_n then_o begin_v he_o with_o the_o scripture_n on_o this_o manner_n it_o seem_v very_o probable_a &_o likely_a that_o you_o â—_o more_n good_a king_n ezechias_n for_o no_o neither_o cause_n ezechias_n weep_v at_o the_o warn_v of_o his_o death_n give_fw-ge he_o by_o the_o prophet_n but_o only_o for_o the_o fear_n of_o purgatorye_n &_o c_o the_o story_n be_v write_v 4._o reg._n 2._o and._n esai_n 38_o ezechias_n be_v such_fw-mi unto_o y_fw-fr â—_o death_n and_o esai_n the_o prophet_n &_o son_n of_o amos_n come_v unto_o he_o sayenge_a this_o say_v y_fw-mi â—_o lord_n dispose_v thy_o house_n for_o thou_o frith_n shall_v dye_v and_o not_o lie_v ve_fw-la he_o turn_v his_o face_n unto_o 2_o the_o wall_n and_o pray_v the_o lord_n sayenge_a i_o beseech_v 〈◊〉_d the_o lord_n remember_v i_o pray_v the_o how_o i_o have_v walk_v before_o the_o in_o the_o truth_n and_o in_o a_o perfeyte_n heart_n and_o have_v do_v that_o thing_n which_o be_v pleasant_a and_o acceptable_a before_o the._n then_o ezechias_n weep_v with_o great_a cryenge_a these_o be_v the_o word_n of_o the_o text_n we_o can_v not_o peâ—…_n ceave_v by_o the_o text_n that_o he_o be_v a_o great_a sinner_n but_o rather_o the_o contrary_n for_o he_o say_v that_o he_o have_v walk_v before_o the_o lord_n in_o truth_n and_o in_o a_o perfeyte_n heart_n and_o have_v do_v y_o it_o thing_n which_o be_v pleasant_a and_o acceptable_a before_o the_o lord_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v nothing_o like_o that_o he_o shall_v fear_v purgatorye_n neither_o yet_o hell_n thou_o will_v more_n paradventure_o ask_v i_o if_z he_o weep_v not_o for_o fear_v of_o purgatorye_n why_o do_v he_o then_o weep_v i_o will_v also_o ask_v you_o a_o question_n and_o than_o will_v i_o show_v you_o my_o mind_n christ_n do_v not_o only_o weep_v but_o fear_v so_o sore_a y_fw-mi t_o he_o sweat_n like_o drop_n of_o blood_n 〈◊〉_d down_o upon_o the_o earth_n which_o be_v more_o than_o to_o weep_v now_o if_o i_o shall_v ask_v you_o why_o christ_n fear_v and_o sweat_n so_o sore_o what_o wool_fw-mi de_fw-mi you_o answer_v i_o that_o it_o be_v for_o fear_n of_o the_o pain_n of_o purgatorye_n forsooth_o he_o that_o will_v so_o answer_v shall_v be_v laugh_v to_o scorn_v of_o all_o y_fw-es â—_o world_n as_z he_o be_v well_o worthy_a wherefore_o be_v it_o they_o very_o even_o for_o fear_n of_o death_n as_o it_o play_v nlye_o appear_v after_o for_o he_o pray_v unto_o his_o father_n 26_o sayenge_a my_o father_n if_o it_o be_v possible_a let_v this_o death_n â—…asie_a from_o i_o mat._n 26._o so_o fearful_a a_o thing_n be_v death_n even_o unto_o the_o most_o pure_a flesh_n and_o even_o the_o same_o cause_n will_v i_o assign_v in_o ezechias_n that_o he_o weep_v for_o fear_n of_o death_n and_o not_o for_o pur_fw-mi gatorye_n now_o procee_v he_o further_o and_o promise_v to_o prove_v it_o by_o plain_a evident_a text_n as_o it_o be_v very_o needful_a for_o the_o text_n that_o he_o allege_v before_o be_v sum_n what_o to_o far_o wrest_a and_o yet_o will_v it_o not_o serve_v he_o have_v you_o not_o say_v he_o the_o word_n of_o scripture_n more_n write_v in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o king_n dominus_fw-la deducit_fw-la ad_fw-la inferos_fw-la er_fw-mi reducit_fw-la our_o lord_n bring_v folk_n down_o in_o toâ—…hell_n and_o bring_v they_o thence_o again_o but_o they_o that_o be_v in_o that_o where_o the_o damn_a soul_n be_v they_z be_v never_o delyver_v thence_o again_o wherefore_o it_o apparesh_v well_o that_o they_o who_o god_n deliver_v and_o bring_v thence_o again_o be_z in_o that_o part_n of_o hell_n that_o be_v call_v purgatorye_n â—…hys_n text_n be_v write_v in_o the_o first_o book_n of_o y_fw-es â—_o frith_n king_n and_o in_o the_o two_o chaptre_n and_z they_o be_v the_o 2._o word_n of_o anna_n which_o say_v the_o lord_n do_v kylle_v and_o quicken_v again_o he_o lede_v down_o in_o to_o hell_n and_o bring_v again_o here_o he_o think_v to_o have_v good_a hold_n but_o sure_o his_o hold_n will_v fay_fw-fr le_fw-fr he_o for_z in_o this_o one_o text_n he_o show_v himself_o twice_o ignorant_a first_o because_o he_o know_v not_o that_o the_o hebrue_n word_n sheol_fw-it do_v not_o signyfye_v hell_n but_o a_o grave_n or_o pit_n that_o be_v dig_v as_o it_o be_v write_v genesis_n 42._o si_fw-mi quid_fw-la adversitatis_fw-la acci_fw-la 42._o derit_fw-la ei_fw-la in_o terra_fw-la ad_fw-la quam_fw-la pergitis_fw-la deducetis_fw-la canos_fw-la meos_fw-la cum_fw-la dolore_fw-la ad_fw-la iferos_fw-la y_fw-es t_o be_v if_o any_o evil_a chaun_n ce_fw-fr unto_o my_o son_n benjamin_n in_o y_fw-es â—_o land_n whether_o you_o go_v you_o shall_v bring_v down_o min_fw-mi hoore_fw-mi heaâ—…es_n with_o sorrow_n unto_o my_o grave_a not_o unto_o hell_n nor_o yet_o unto_o purgatory_n 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