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A44501 The Quakers proved deceivers and such as people ought not to listen to, or follow, but to account accursed, in the management of a charge formerly given out against them to that effect, by J. Horne, preacher of the gospel at South-Lin in Norfolke. Which charge was managed and made good by him against George Whitehead, in the chancel of South-Lin, before some hundreds of people, Jan. 13. 1659. to the great baffling of the said George Whitehead and his party, through the merciful and gracious hand of the Lord appearing for his truth and servants therein, as is known to, and witnessed by the generality of the audience of understanding. Published as a warning to all to beware of the said people called Quakers, and their erroneous principles herein also in part discovered. Horn, John, 1614-1676. 1660 (1660) Wing H2807; ESTC R221604 29,025 16

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not answering any thing to the purpose divers called to him to answer to the business or else to own himself a Deceiver or to that purpose T. M. Answer then whether Paul was born then of God or believed Jesus to be Christ or to that purpose G. W. You are two to one T. M. We speak both but one thing we ask the same thing G. W. I came not here to satisfie unreasonable men Paul spake at a Jew to the Ju● J. H. Then he spake there false it seems of himself wilt thou say so He b●●ng p●zled about it J. H. said to him Ah George where is thy vaunting Language now as if thou couldst tread down all before thee and thy setting up thy self above God G. W. Thou be●●est me Did I set up my self above God See people how 〈…〉 or to that purpose J. H. Didst thou not set up thy self above God when thou didst reproach me by my G●d as if he would or could not carry me forth against thee He said If thy God will c●●ry thee forth by way of reproach Also I was informed that at Godney they said They would make us ashamed of our God Now if God be the true God as he is what but a setting up themselves above God was this let all judg J. H. Canst thou deny that Paul was born of God when an Apostle or that he believed that Jesus was the Christ G. W. Paul spake to the state of others when he said O wretched man that I am and groaned and waited for the Redemption of the body J. H. Did Paul then witness or experiment the Redemption of his Body from corruption before he dyed G. W. Yea he did witness it T. M. Witness it But Had he it was his body redeemed from corruption before he dyed G. W. Yea he had the Redemption of his body before he dyed J. H. Is not the body sown in corruption when it dyes It is sown in corruption it is raised in incorruption G. W. Yea but is not sin corruption J. H. How is it redeemed from corruption before it dye when it is sown in corruption when it dyes G. W. Corruption is sin Pauls body was redeemed from the Law of sin and Death J. H. But is all corruption sin There is a corruption of mortality th●t came in by sin G. W. All corruption is sin or came in by sin and take away the cause and the effect ceases Now we shall prove that he was made free from sin T. M. Answer plainly and prove it from the Scripture That the Redemption of the body that Paul waited for he had it before he dyed For you bring nothing for it ●et but your corrupt Logick in which one as weak as my self might discover its ●alsness G. W. Did I use any Logick what Logick T. M. Where there is freed me from the cause the effect ceases Now that Paul had freedome from sin the cause of corruption before he dyed is that you w●nt about to prove and so to get from the Question J. H. Yea that is Logicall but will not alwayes hold the effect may last when the cause is goue as a house may stand when he that built it is dead but is not that corruption which is in death in which the body corrupteth and did not Paul wait for the Redemption of his body from that G. W. Yea that death that came in by sin but what death was that that cameth by sin he said he asked the Question before I asked what follovvs though I do not remember that he did I. H. What Death came not in by sin G. W. What death came in by sin I. H. I asked thee vvhat death came not in by it G. W. I ask thee a question and thou ansvverest me by asking me an●ther Ansvver my Question I first asked thee I. H. I did not hear that thouaskedst that Question first but thou saidst That death that came in by sin and I asked thee what death came not in by sin G. W. Nay I asked thee first What Death came in by sin and thou refusest to ansvver my Question Is this fair I. H. pe●ceiving he sought occasion to vvinde out from the business in hand by starting another Question if he did first ask it or whensoever he started it replyed I remember not that thou didst ask me that first but however 't is not my business now to answer thy questions that may lead us from the matter in hand My business is now to prove my charge against thee if thou wilt own that that is done I will answer thee thy question G.W. pulling out a book writ by J.H. and T.M. about their former Dispute with him and S.F. would fain have diverted to it and said He would prove J.H. had there bely'd him J.H. Thou hast answered that Book in print the people may see what thou sayst against us there and we shall give it an answer God willing ere long what have we to do with hearing thee read in that book now G.W. I will prove here that J.H. hath here contradicted himself or to that purpose and would fain have been reading J.H. If thou wilt grant I have proved my charg we will hear thee read but if not let me do what I come about Answer me and prove that Paul had the Redemption of his body there spoken of before he dyed G.W. urging yet to read the people told him That was to go from his business and bid him answer to what he was charged with or say the Charg was proved J.H. Did Paul prove the Redemption of his body before his decease for which he waited as he sayes Rom. 8.23 G.W. Yea he did before his decease J.H. Prove that G.W. In Rom 8.2 He sayes The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the Law of sin and death And in another place I can do nothing against the truth but for it J.H. What be these to the purpose Paul said He was made f●ee from the law of sin and death before he said He waited for the adoption the redemption of the body For he sayes that in Rom. 8.2 and yet speaks of waiting for the Redemption of his body after that in ver 23. Therefore what he sayes about his being free from the Law of sin and death could not be the redemption of h●s body that he there mentions for why should he wait for that yet if he before had it did he wait for what he had already Here G.W. was wholly driven from that proof so as we heard no more of it and to help himself betook him to the other G.W. But he sayes in the other place he could do nothing against the truth but for the truth J.H. Could he then do something against the truth when he said He waited for the Redemption of the body The which also T.M. asked G.W. Yea That which waited for the Redemption could for he cryed out Oh wretched man