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A03334 The first motiue of T.H. Maister of Arts, and lately minister, to suspect the integrity of his religion which was detection of falsehood in D. Humfrey, D. Field, & other learned protestants, touching the question of purgatory, and prayer for the dead. VVith his particular considerations perswading him to embrace the Catholick doctrine in theis, and other points. An appendix intituled, try before you trust. Wherein some notable vntruths of D. Field, and D. Morton are discouered. Higgons, Theophilus, 1578?-1659. 1609 (1609) STC 13454; ESTC S104083 165,029 276

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they_o that_o be_v torment_v shall_v abide_v in_o purgatory_n for_o some_o have_v give_v out_o how_o the_o poor_a soul_n there_o be_v continual_o in_o torment_n till_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n as_o 7._o as_o de_fw-fr offic_n mort_fw-fr l._n 7._o diony_n carthusianus_n other_o as_o 7._o as_o de_fw-fr offic_n mort_fw-fr l._n 7._o durandus_n noviss_n de_fw-fr 4._o noviss_n do_v think_v that_o they_o have_v rest_n sometime_o as_o upon_o sunday_n and_o holy_a day_n other_o be_v of_o mind_n that_o they_o shall_v be_v set_v free_a and_o at_o liberty_n because_o their_o punishment_n be_v but_o temporal_a etc._n etc._n 2._o here_o be_v a_o ample_a testimony_n of_o a_o unfaithful_a heart_n for_o whereas_o this_o man_n of_o great_a experience_n be_v please_v to_o affirm_v that_o some_o papist_n imprison_v the_o soul_n in_o purgatory_n until_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n and_o that_o by_o this_o opinion_n they_o dissent_v from_o other_o who_o conceive_v that_o their_o pain_n be_v not_o of_o such_o perpetuity_n and_o length_n he_o offer_v a_o general_a injury_n unto_o they_o all_o and_o more_o particular_o unto_o that_o author_n who_o he_o allege_v to_o this_o purpose_n it_o be_v most_o untrue_a that_o carthusianus_n do_v deliver_v such_o a_o fancy_n or_o that_o he_o be_v of_o such_o opinion_n witness_v that_o little_a treatise_n de_fw-la modo_fw-la liberandi_fw-la animam_fw-la è_fw-la purgatorio_fw-la witness_v his_o clear_a assertion_n that_o soul_n 30._o soul_n dialog_n de_fw-fr particulari_fw-la iudicio_fw-la any_fw-la i_o cap._n 30._o be_v cleanse_v in_o purgatory_n mount_v up_o and_o fly_v into_o the_o celestial_a paradise_n etc._n etc._n 3._o what_o evidence_n therefore_o have_v m._n rogers_n to_o justify_v this_o imputation_n i_o find_v none_o but_o this_o ensue_a noviss_n de_fw-fr 4._o noviss_n dionysius_n report_v a_o certain_a vision_n of_o a_o englishman_n who_o behold_v a_o soul_n grievous_o afflict_v in_o a_o place_n of_o torment_n from_o which_o he_o receive_v this_o answer_n i_o know_v that_o i_o shall_v not_o obtain_v mercy_n till_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n etc._n etc._n 4._o but_o be_v this_o a_o sufficient_a reason_n for_o m._n rogers_n to_o pretend_v that_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o some_o papist_n the_o soul_n which_o suffer_v in_o purgatory_n shall_v not_o come_v thence_o till_o the_o last_o day_n and_o now_o have_v your_o experience_n good_a sir_n thus_o better_v your_o judgement_n that_o which_o be_v peculiar_o speak_v of_o one_o soul_n will_v you_o thus_o extend_v general_o unto_o all_o the_o example_n itself_o here_o afford_v no_o such_o conclusion_n and_o the_o author_n doctrine_n elsewhere_o do_v plain_o control_v the_o same_o 5._o whereas_o you_o say_v far_o that_o some_o papist_n and_o namely_o durandus_fw-la do_v think_v that_o the_o soul_n in_o purgatory_n have_v rest_n upon_o sunday_n etc._n etc._n i_o will_v not_o rash_o condemn_v your_o falsehood_n therein_o but_o you_o must_v give_v i_o leave_v to_o be_v doubtful_a of_o your_o truth_n for_o i_o have_v diligent_o and_o careful_o revolue_v the_o author_n and_o yet_o i_o find_v no_o such_o assertion_n in_o all_o that_o book_n peradventure_o you_o rely_v upon_o they_o who_o lie_v unto_o you_o and_o so_o you_o have_v tell_v a_o tale_n after_o a_o crete_n as_o for_o example_n you_o 115._o you_o pag._n 115._o affirm_v that_o if_o hierome_n have_v not_o be_v at_o chalcedon_n that_o council_n have_v err_v what_o be_v your_o proof_n b._n jewel_n det_fw-la fol._n 58._o though_o here_o your_o experience_n do_v fail_v you_o for_o s._n hierome_n be_v gather_v unto_o his_o father_n many_o year_n before_o the_o celebration_n of_o that_o council_n yet_o your_o great_a fault_n be_v your_o credulity_n in_o believe_v b._n jewel_n upon_o his_o naked_a word_n which_o have_v be_v the_o destruction_n of_o many_o soul_n §._o 2._o s._n gregory_n note_v for_o a_o papist_n by_o m._n rogers_n how_o eckius_fw-la be_v abuse_v by_o he_o 1._o papist_o agree_v not_o among_o themselves_o say_v he_o about_o the_o cause_n of_o purgatory_n torment_n ibid._n ibid._n for_o some_o do_v think_v that_o only_o venial_a sin_n other_o think_v that_o mortal_a sin_n also_o for_o which_o man_n have_v do_v no_o penance_n in_o this_o life_n be_v there_o purdge_v 2._o the_o first_o opinion_n concern_v venial_a sin_n he_o attribute_v unto_o s._n gregory_n &_o term_v he_o a_o papist_n either_o forget_v or_o not_o regard_v that_o our_o christian_a faith_n descend_v original_o from_o he_o and_o that_o it_o be_v receive_v conformable_o by_o our_o state_n and_o that_o it_o be_v protect_v open_o for_o 930._o year_n by_o our_o worthy_a prince_n in_o the_o number_n of_o who_o many_o be_v pious_a in_o religion_n as_o david_n wise_a in_o counsel_n as_o solomon_n valiant_a in_o war_n as_o josuah_n in_o a_o word_n that_o this_o faith_n have_v be_v glorious_a in_o dignity_n and_o fruitful_a in_o good_a work_n and_o true_o these_o cogitation_n do_v enter_v so_o forcible_o into_o my_o heart_n even_o while_o i_o be_v a_o member_n actual_o of_o the_o protestanticall_a church_n that_o in_o my_o secret_a thought_n i_o can_v not_o but_o acquitt_v the_o papist_n from_o the_o crime_n of_o disobedience_n and_o undutifulnesse_n unto_o the_o state_n forasmuchas_fw-es they_o make_v not_o themselves_o contrary_a unto_o it_o but_o it_o be_v make_v contrary_a unto_o they_o the_o change_v be_v in_o the_o state_n which_o propound_v a_o new_a faith_n &_o not_o in_o they_o who_o conserve_v the_o old_a and_o so_o much_o brief_o touch_v the_o popery_n of_o that_o illustrious_a saint_n 3._o as_o for_o the_o particular_a wherewith_o he_o be_v chardged_a by_o m._n rogers_n it_o be_v no_o shame_n nor_o disreputation_n unto_o he_o 16._o he_o tom._n 10._o homil_n 16._o s._n augustine_n himself_o be_v no_o less_o deep_o engage_v therein_o say_v that_o there_o idle_a speech_n evil_a and_o sordid_a thought_n and_o the_o multitude_n of_o light_a sin_n which_o infect_v the_o purity_n of_o our_o excellent_a nature_n shall_v be_v consume_v etc._n etc._n last_o whereas_o m._n rogers_n say_v that_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o some_o papist_n only_o venial_a sin_n be_v purdge_v etc._n etc._n he_o can_v not_o but_o know_v that_o their_o assertion_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o guilt_n and_o not_o of_o the_o pain_n as_o you_o shall_v immediate_o perceive_v 4._o i_o come_v therefore_o unto_o the_o second_o opinion_n concern_v mortal_a sin_n which_o he_o ascribe_v unto_o 6._o unto_o posit_n 6._o eckius_fw-la as_o though_o this_o famous_a antagonist_n of_o our_o great_a reformer_n have_v teach_v that_o mortal_a sin_n as_o well_o as_o venial_a be_v remit_v or_o expiate_v after_o this_o life_n whence_o it_o follow_v that_o he_o incur_v the_o same_o fancy_n 121._o see_v before_o pag._n 121._o which_o as_o d._n field_n pretend_v s._n augstine_n do_v fearful_o impugn_v in_o his_o time_n because_o it_o be_v embrace_v by_o great_a and_o reverend_a author_n 5._o but_o here_o m._n rogers_n do_v abuse_v his_o author_n and_o deceive_v his_o reader_n for_o the_o position_n of_o b._n of_o see_v tom._n 1._o luh_o wittember_n fol._n 241._o b._n eckius_fw-la be_v this_o the_o soul_n in_o purgatory_n do_v satisfy_v for_o the_o pain_n of_o sin_n from_o the_o guilt_n whereof_o they_o be_v absolve_v before_o and_o make_v not_o satisfaction_n in_o this_o life_n so_o than_o it_o be_v a_o falsehood_n in_o m._n rogers_n to_o pretend_v that_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o eckius_fw-la mortal_a sin_n be_v purge_v etc._n etc._n for_o eckius_fw-la affirm_v that_o the_o guilt_n be_v take_v away_o &_o consequent_o the_o sin_n itself_o there_o remain_v a_o temporal_a pain_n to_o be_v inflict_v upon_o the_o soul_n for_o better_a illustration_n of_o which_o point_n it_o may_v please_v thou_o gentle_a reader_n to_o observe_v with_o i_o that_o as_o by_o mortal_a sin_n we_o be_v oblige_v unto_o a_o double_a penalty_n to_o wit_n eternal_a &_o temporal_a so_o whensoever_o the_o guilt_n be_v pardon_v the_o eternal_a which_o be_v most_o proper_o consequent_a unto_o it_o be_v pardon_v likewise_o but_o not_o the_o temporal_a thus_o the_o prophet_n give_v david_n his_o absolution_n thy_o sin_n be_v forgive_v add_v also_o thou_o shall_v not_o die_v 12_o 2._o reg._n 12_o and_o yet_o he_o impose_v a_o penance_n to_o wit_n the_o child_n shall_v die_v the_o reason_n whereof_o be_v this_o 2._o this_o see_v how_o bell●rmine_n press_v this_o against_o caluin_n in_o his_o four_o book_n de_fw-fr penitent_a cap._n 2._o because_v thou_o have_v make_v the_o enemy_n of_o our_o lord_n to_o blaspheme_v &_o so_o it_o be_v a_o affliction_n for_o sin_n past_a &_o not_o only_o a_o caution_n against_o sin_n to_o come_v for_o though_o it_o be_v true_a that_o god_n do_v rather_o intend_v the_o safety_n of_o his_o child_n than_o the_o punishment_n of_o their_o sin_n yet_o he_o punish_v sin_n in_o his_o
child_n &_o the_o pain_n be_v more_o durable_a than_o the_o fault_n as_o joh._n as_o tract_n 124._o joh._n s._n augustine_n speak_v lest_o the_o fault_n shall_v seem_v small_a if_o the_o pain_n be_v finish_v with_o it_o 6._o now_o as_o the_o temporal_a pain_n of_o sin_n be_v just_o reserve_v after_o the_o remission_n of_o the_o guilt_n so_o it_o be_v not_o always_o inflict_v in_o this_o life_n 13._o de_fw-fr civit._n d●l_n 21._o c._n 13._o but_o sometime_o in_o the_o next_o wherefore_o s._n augustine_n confess_v that_o god_n do_v design_n poenas_fw-la temporarias_fw-la pro_fw-la peccatis_fw-la praeteritis_fw-la distinguish_v immediate_o and_o say_v poenas_fw-la temporarias_fw-la alij_fw-la in_o hac_fw-la vit_fw-mi a_o tantùm_fw-la alij_fw-la post_fw-la mortem_fw-la alij_fw-la &_o hîc_fw-la &_o illîc_fw-la patiuntur_fw-la 7._o thus_o i_o find_v a_o double_a reason_n of_o purgatory_n the_o first_o because_o some_o small_a sin_n wherewith_o grace_n may_v consist_v in_o the_o soul_n be_v there_o expiate_v both_o in_o respect_n of_o guilt_n and_o pain_n the_o second_o because_o some_o temporal_a pain_n reserve_v by_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n after_o forgiveness_n of_o the_o guilt_n by_o his_o mercy_n be_v there_o sustain_v by_o they_o who_o have_v not_o be_v exercise_v with_o condign_a penance_n in_o this_o life_n and_o here_o arise_v a_o proper_a solution_n unto_o the_o subtlety_n of_o d._n field_n 103._o see_v before_o pag._n 103._o who_o will_v conclude_v that_o if_o all_o sin_n be_v take_v away_o which_o be_v the_o cause_n the_o effect_n must_v cease_v which_o be_v punishment_n etc._n etc._n for_o though_o the_o obligation_n unto_o eternal_a punishment_n cease_v actual_o upon_o remission_n of_o the_o guilt_n yet_o the_o obligation_n unto_o temporal_a punishment_n do_v remain_v by_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n &_o his_o ordinance_n concur_v with_o our_o desert_n be_v a_o sufficient_a cause_n to_o produce_v such_o effect_n therefore_o till_o his_o justice_n be_v satisfy_v the_o cause_n of_o punishment_n do_v still_o endure_v 8._o to_o conclude_v whereas_o m._n rogers_n will_v enforce_v a_o absurdity_n upon_o eckius_fw-la &_o other_o man_n as_o though_o they_o be_v distract_v into_o great_a variety_n of_o opinion_n concern_v the_o cause_n of_o purgatory_n he_o misreport_v their_o intention_n for_o though_o some_o few_o man_n do_v conceive_v that_o all_o venial_a sin_n be_v waste_v and_o take_v away_o from_o the_o soul_n immediate_o upon_o her_o separation_n from_o the_o body_n yet_o i_o see_v that_o they_o and_o all_o other_o papist_n to_o speak_v in_o my_o old_a language_n do_v concordable_o and_o uniform_o teach_v that_o no_o mortal_a sin_n such_o as_o 146._o as_o see_v d._n field_n pag._n 146._o exclude_v grace_n from_o the_o soul_n and_o 69._o and_o see_v s._n au._n enchirid._n ad_fw-la laur._n c._n 69._o exclude_v the_o soul_n from_o heaven_n be_v purdge_v after_o this_o life_n otherwise_o then_o in_o reference_n unto_o temporal_a pain_n reserve_v and_o inflict_v after_o remission_n of_o the_o guilt_n but_o m._n rogers_n will_v lead_v his_o reader_n to_o conceive_v that_o the_o papist_n be_v singular_o divide_v in_o their_o opinion_n some_o affirm_v that_o only_o venial_a sin_n other_o resolve_v that_o mortal_a likewise_o be_v cleanse_v in_o a_o penal_a estate_n 9_o many_o such_o collusion_n and_o device_n i_o observe_v in_o this_o author_n but_o i_o will_v not_o trouble_v your_o patience_n any_o long_o with_o the_o recapitulation_n of_o his_o untruth_n forasmuch_o as_o by_o this_o little_a which_o you_o have_v already_o see_v you_o may_v conjecture_v of_o the_o rest_n which_o i_o conceal_v what_o can_v you_o expect_v from_o they_o who_o religion_n be_v found_v upon_o the_o sand_n of_o falsehood_n and_o not_o upon_o the_o rock_n of_o truth_n do_v man_n gather_v grape_n of_o thorn_n or_o fig_n of_o thistle_n wherefore_o i_o will_v now_o make_v haste_n unto_o the_o conclusion_n of_o all_o and_o i_o will_v end_v my_o discourse_n brief_o with_o he_o from_o who_o my_o conversion_n do_v happy_o begin_v chap._n ii_o of_o d._n humphrey_n and_o his_o book_n entitle_v secunda_fw-la pars_fw-la jesuitisini_fw-la contain_v his_o answer_n unto_o the_o 5._o former_a reason_n of_o edm._n campian_n concern_v the_o author_n and_o his_o work_n i_o will_v say_v little_a it_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o many_o principal_a divine_n in_o england_n that_o d._n humphrey_n be_v worthy_a to_o endito_fw-mi such_o a_o book_n &_o that_o the_o book_n be_v worthy_a to_o proceed_v from_o arch_a a_o man_n who_o be_v repute_v sound_a in_o the_o faith_n for_o which_o he_o suffer_v voluntary_a banishment_n &_o profound_a in_o that_o science_n wherein_o he_o be_v a_o doctor_n by_o his_o degree_n &_o oxon_n &_o at_o oxon_n professor_n by_o his_o place_n beside_o as_o the_o quality_n of_o the_o adversary_n deserve_v good_a respect_n and_o the_o weight_n of_o his_o reason_n require_v condign_a satisfaction_n which_o neither_o himself_n nor_o d._n whitaker_n have_v yield_v thereunto_o so_o it_o do_v great_o import_v he_o to_o deal_v upright_o &_o substantial_o in_o his_o answer_n forasmuch_o as_o he_o design_v two_o leycester_n two_o burleigh_n leycester_n honourable_a person_n to_o be_v the_o patroness_n of_o his_o labour_n &_o two_o learned_a cambridge_n learned_a oxford_n cambridge_n university_n to_o be_v the_o judge_n of_o his_o exactness_n but_o when_o i_o find_v his_o unfaithfullnes_n in_o his_o relation_n his_o digression_n from_o the_o matter_n 6._o non_fw-la ideò_fw-la vera_fw-la mihi_fw-la videbantur_fw-la quia_fw-la deserta_fw-la etc._n etc._n see_v s._n aug._n conf._n l._n 5._o c._n 6._o &_o the_o general_a imbecility_n of_o his_o discourse_n flourish_v with_o a_o certain_a stream_n of_o eloquence_n and_o beautify_v with_o please_a phrase_n i_o can_v not_o esteem_v that_o to_o be_v a_o true_a &_o venerable_a religion_n which_o be_v so_o base_o &_o slender_o support_v by_o they_o who_o be_v account_v pillar_n in_o our_o church_n §._o 1._o s._n augustine_n notorious_o deprave_a by_o d._n humphrey_n 3._o rat._n 3._o 1._o whereas_o that_o excellent_a and_o renown_a f._n campian_n in_o those_o short_a reason_n which_o bring_v eternal_a memory_n unto_o their_o author_n do_v object_n unto_o the_o protestant_n the_o invisibility_n of_o their_o church_n and_o that_o it_o be_v not_o otherwise_o visible_a for_o many_o age_n then_o in_o some_o scatter_a heretic_n aerius_n vigilantius_n berengarius_fw-la etc._n etc._n from_o who_o they_o receive_v not_o a_o entire_a religion_n but_o beg_v certain_a pestiferous_a fragment_n alone_o d._n 262._o d._n in_o resp_n ad_fw-la camp_n p._n 261._o 262._o humphrey_n find_v himself_o take_v in_o a_o inexplicable_a difficulty_n wind_v up_o and_o down_o to_o find_v some_o plausible_a evasion_n and_o therefore_o he_o say_v wherein_o aërius_n do_v err_v we_o reject_v it_o wherein_o he_o hold_v any_o thing_n agreable_o with_o the_o scripture_n we_o receyve_v it_o etc._n etc._n 2._o after_o this_o obscure_a and_o uncertayn_a oracle_n he_o resolve_v most_o plain_o that_o he_o and_o his_o church_n will_v not_o digress_v from_o aërius_n in_o this_o point_n and_o therefore_o he_o add_v we_o do_v not_o disapprove_v that_o which_o aërius_n think_v and_o augustine_n have_v relate_v that_o we_o ought_v not_o to_o pray_v nor_o to_o offer_v oblation_n for_o the_o dead_a because_o this_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o any_o precept_n of_o the_o scripture_n which_o mortuis_fw-la which_o he_o quote_v aug._n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la augustine_n also_o do_v seem_v to_o signify_v when_o he_o say_v that_o this_o commendation_n of_o the_o dead_a ●s_n a_o ancient_a custom_n of_o the_o church_n thus_o aërius_n be_v iustify_v against_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o his_o heresy_n be_v prefer_v before_o the_o catholic_a faith_n but_o of_o this_o matter_n i_o have_v entreat_v more_o particular_o he_o particular_o pag._n 14._o i_o want_v d._n hunfrey_n his_o book_n when_o i_o cite_v his_o opinion_n which_o i_o have_v faithful_o deliver_v &_o though_o the_o word_n rectè_fw-la be_v not_o in_o my_o author_n yet_o it_o i●_n sufficient_o imply_v in_o he_o before_o 3._o the_o thing_n which_o i_o yield_v now_o unto_o your_o consideration_n be_v the_o subtle_a and_o artificial_a collusion_n of_o this_o renown_a doctor_n for_o whereas_o he_o pretend_v scripture_n negative_o against_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o that_o s._n augustine_n have_v only_a custom_n to_o maintain_v it_o i_o find_v that_o s._n augustine_n premise_v scripture_n in_o defence_n thereof_o &_o then_o confirm_v it_o by_o that_o authority_n which_o to_o 118._o to_o epist_n 118._o impugn_v be_v the_o part_n of_o most_o insolent_a madness_n for_o 1._o for_o de_fw-fr curâ_fw-la pro_fw-la mort_fw-fr cap._n 1._o say_v he_o we_o read_v in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o 4●_n the_o 2._o 12._o 4●_n maccabee_n that_o sacrifice_n be_v offer_v for_o the_o dead_a but_o if_o this_o be_v read_v no_o where_o in_o the_o old_a