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A14406 Actes of conference in religion, holden at Paris, betweene two papist doctours of Sorbone, and two godlie ministers of the Church. Dravven out of French into English, by Geffraie Fenton; Actes de la dispute & conference tenue à Paris. English. Fenton, Geoffrey, Sir, 1539?-1608.; Vigor, Simon, d. 1575.; Sainctes, Claude de, 1525-1591.; Du Rosier, Hugues Sureau.; L'Espine, Jean de, ca. 1506-1597. 1571 (1571) STC 24726.5; ESTC S112583 180,168 252

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his iustice life and other fruites of his sacrifice but also they receiue and possesse euen himself and are made one with him no lesse truely and stricktly then the members be conioyned to one head we say further that this coniunction is the fountaine and meane of all the benefites which discende vnto vs by him through Goddes grace But we say with all that this receiuing oughte to be attributed in all and by all to the free woorking of the holy Ghoste who makes vs fitte and capable to knowe our Lord Iesus Christe with all his vertues and propreties and in knowing him to put oure truste in him and in reapposing our truste in him to possesse and enioy him wholly To Aunswere the .vij. question we say that we reiecte and reproue the terme of concomitance togither with the thing it signifieth as being the occasion that the common people haue bene barde and secluded from one of the essential partes of the sacramēt which is the participation of the cup and we say it is an attempt against the diuine maiestie to seeke to seperate that which the sonne of God hathe conioyned denie to any of his membres that which he hath willed and commaūded to be common to all Like as also the reason of the sacrament requires it the same being instituted for our spirituall nouriture the which as doth the corporal consists in eating and drinking To the end therfore that there be a certain correspondencie betwéene bothe it must be that as we are filled with the crucified flesh of Iesus Christ that euen so also we be licoured with his bloud shed for the remission of sinnes To be short seeing the supper was principally instituted to declare the deathe of our Lord that in his death his bloude was deuided from his body it is very conuenient the bread wine be there administred to represent both the one and other more clearly to propound to vs the whole misterie of the death of Christ To the .viij. Question we acknowledge no other cause or meane for remission of sinnes than the grace of God the bloud of Iesus Christ faith by the which the effect of gods grace the frute of the death of Iesus Christ are applied vnto vs. Our Aunswer to the .ix. question is that the faithful comming to the Supper come not to receiue there a newe Iesus Christ with whom they haue not bene conioyned before nether a new iustice which hath not bene cōmunicate to them But we say that if any man present him self there without faith by want wherof he was not vnited incorpored knit in Iesus Christe to participate with his iustice his life other his gifts and blessings in this case the holy supper is vnprofitable to him as meat to a dead man But if liuing by the meanes aforesaid by gods grace the bloud of Iesus Christ and faith he present himself there in such estate that then gods graces are multiplied cōfirmed and increased in him more more as the Circumcision brought not to Abraham a new iustice but sealed and ratified that which had bene communicate to him before by the promisse the which being knowne to the faithfull in what degrée of vertue so euer they be ought not to mistake the holy supper nor in any sorte abstaine from it when they haue the occasion and meanes to assist it considering that they cānot be so farre aduaunced in the knowledge and feare of God and in the faithe of his promisses but that they may further profite and encrease therin in what estate so euer they be by the meanes which God hath lefte and ordained for this effecte in his Churche neither is it possible that a man hauing a true faith in his heart do otherwayes hauing the commoditie of it Bicause the nature of faithe is not to comprehend only the promisses of God but also to engender and bring foorthe in the hearts of the Faithfull a wil to obey him with obseruation of his commaundements and ordinances To Aunswere the first Articles proponed by the Doctors touching their Masse we say they blaspheme openly Iesus Christe as to authorise vnder his name and by his example such an abhomination and that also they make a scoffe of the church and the world to preach and wryte such impieties To the second Article of the Masse we Aunswere that there is no other sacrifice in the church by which men are reconciled to God and which makes him mercifull and fauourable to them in appeasing his wrath than only that which Iesus Christe hathe once offred to his father vppon the crosse the vertue of the which being eternal to sāctifie all the beleeuing and obtaine remission of their sinnes for euer there is no néede of any others nor that that which he hath once offered be euer repeated For Answer to the third Article we say that suche as approue the Masse and other sacrificature than that of Iesus Christ and seeke to establish for remission of sinnes an other Sacrifice than that which he himselfe offered in his bodie of the Crosse are Antichristes and deface in so muche as in them is all the vertue and frute of the deathe and sacrifice of the Sonne of God. To Aunswere the fourthe we alleage that which S. Paule wryteth that where is remission there is no more Oblation for the sinne And if it be so that by the death of Iesus Christ remission hathe bene obtained for vs it foloweth that there is no more Oblation for sinne neither in the Masse nor oute of the Masse And if there be none for the liuing there is lesse for them that be dead For Aunswere to the fifthe we maintaine that the Communion is of the essence of the supper according to S. Paule in the first to the Corinthians Chap. 10. and .11 and as the Canon and other partes of the Masse importes For Aunswere to the sixthe we alleage thrée things First that the Masse of the Papists is no Sacrament and then that the bodie of Iesus Christe is not there and conclude thereupon that there can not be worshipped therein but the breade and wine which rest there which being creatures can not be woorshipped but that suche as doe woorship them are Idolatrers To Aunswere the seuenth and last Article we say contrary to the Doctors that there is nothing in the Masse which either directly or indirectly is not contrary to Gods woorde And for Conclusion we aduise and praie the Doctoures not to excéede or forsake the limites of the matter proponed this day to dispute vpon as they haue done héeretofore to the ende that these two pointes which stande at this day in debate betwéene them may be perfectly and wholly decided to the contentment and edifying of suche as shal read the Actes of this conference Tuesday the .30 of Iulie the yeare aforesaid A summary Replie of the Doctours against the laste Aunswere of the Ministers sente to them by the Duke Nyuernois the