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A19338 Corderius dialogues translated grammatically For the more speedy attaining to the knowledge of the Latine tongue, for writing and speaking Latine. Done chiefly for the good of schooles, to be used according to the direction set downe in the booke called Ludus literarius, or The grammar-schoole.; Colloquia scholastica. English Cordier, Mathurin, 1479-1564.; Brinsley, John, fl. 1581-1624. 1636 (1636) STC 5764.2; ESTC S108692 238,706 321

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hast had it I. What doest thou marvell Ought I to give thee an account M. Doe I exact an account I. Thou seemest to exact M. I doe not exact I say but we are wont to talk so familiarly and freely between our selves that wee may alwayes learn together something in Latine I. I confesse that it doth helpe us very much to the faculty of speaking Latine But there is no man so milde but he will be a little angry sometime M. It is as thou sayest but the anger of children is short I. But for that which thou askedst concerning my money I received it of my father M. When came he I. Eight dayes hence M. I marvell that I saw him not I. There is not any cause that thou shouldest marvell M. Why so I. Because he tarryed here scarce an hour and a halfe for when he had lighted from his horse and spoken to me a word or tw o let us goe up quoth he into thy chamber that I may talke with thee more freely M. But before thou tell me other matters I would know what his comming so unthought of meant I. He had heard by a certain false rumour as it fel out that I was sicke M. what did he when hee found thee well besides his hope I. He rejoyced marvellously M. Who can doubt of it I. Moreover he gave very hearty thanks to God the best and the greatest M. I heare these things willingly goe on I pray thee I. Then he asketh me concerning my health we pray together giving of thankes at length he asketh me if I need any thing I answer father I have need of something What dost thou need quoth he I tell him I need a book of ten pence price Thē he draweth a ten pence out of his purse he gives it to me into my hand and having bidden me farewell he light upon his horse and went his way M. Why gave he thee more then thou hadst requested I. Thou askest this fondly verily hee was so glad because he had found me very well beyond his hope that if I had asked him even a crown he had given it me as easily M. O how much dost thou owe to that chiefe father who hath given thee so good a father I. Indeed it cannot bee thought how much I owe for although he had given me an evill father yet I should have ought no little unto him But why doe we defer to goe to heare the lesson M. Now three of the clocke is at hand I. I have prepared all things M. And I also I. Therefore let us goe into the schoole The 8. Dialogue Sonera Villaticus WHere is thy eldest brother now V. He is gone to warre S. What sayest thou to warre V. It is even so S. So he hath then bidden farewel to learning V. He began to be weary of learning a good while agoe S. Why so V. I know not but because he would live more at his pleasure S. How did his father permit him V. What canst thou thinke that he did permit him my father being absent my mother being against it he went S. O miserable young man V. Yea truely most miserable S. What will he doe V. He will doe that which others who follow that kind of life to wit he will spoyle he will take by violence he will play at dice he will drinke he will follow whores S. Is this the life of souldiers V. Altogether S. How knowest thou that V. I heard it of late of my father when we supped M. To what end did he speake of such things V. He taught us that nothing was more certaine then to feare God who keepeth little ones and leadeth them in by little little into the right way S. Also our master himselfe doth admonish us oftentimes concerning those matters V. We ought to be so much more carefull that we love our parents Masters most dearely whose diligence God doth use for our instruction S. God grant we may performe to both of them that which he doth command in his law V. He graunt so S. I beseech him to graunt so The 9. Dialogue Luke Orosius I Heare that thy brother is already come backe out of Germany O. It is so L. Returned he all alone O. No verily L. Who then returned with him O. A certaine citizen of this Town who had dwelt there almost two yeares L. Wherefore went thy brother O. He had beene sent thither by my father that hee might learne to speake Dutch L. For what cause then was he not there longer O. He could not now forbeare the desire of his mother L. O tender yong man how many years old is he O. Seaventeene if my mother remember aright of whom I have heard that oftentimes L. Goe to with what countenance was his comming accepted of his or thy father O. Dost thou aske My father did not indure to looke upon him moreover neither vouchsafing him salutation nor speaking to he commanded him to go out of his sight L. What moreover O. Had not my mother made intreatie with teares he commanded the officer to be sent for who might cast the wretch into prison L. But he could not without the authority of the Magistrate O. I know not yet he indevoured it L. What was done after did he lye at your house O. No truely L. Where then O. Knowest thou my sisters husband L. Even as my fingers O. He was sent thither by my mother whilest my fathers anger was asswaged L. What fell out at length O. My mother dealt with our kinsfolks friends that they would appease my father being angry L. So then thy brother returned into favour with thy father O. That was a matter of no great businesse for now it began to repent my father that hee had beene so very angry and that he had entertained his sonne so hardly L. Verily the day had mitigated his griefe O. Notwithstanding he received him of that condition that he should promise that he would returne into Germany straightway after the vintage L. See how fond this affection is towards our mothers L. But the mothers thēselves are in the fault for why doe they love us so tenderly O It is a difficult thing to restrain nature O. Dost
been done openly in the dining chamber but not privily in the bedchamber Also that wil aggravate the cause that they have led away thee being a tabler within as it were to surfeting which indeed is most odious to the master yet thy cause is far the worst B Therfore my good Florence tell me what shall I doe F Go to let us bethinke our selves of some devices wherby thou if it be possible maist be acquit B There is nothing that thou canst expect of me in that kinde for neither am I fit to give counsell nor have any meanes of remedy But thou I pray thee shew all thy wit to helpe me quickly I am in feare that my punishment is at hand thou seest sufficiently that unlesse somthing hinder it will be exacted after supper F That will not be in any wise for sith the crime is not publike the punishment shall not be publike B Whether it shall be publikely or privatly it will not be deferred F Thou judgest aright B That is the cause wherefore I have fled now to thee for succour if so be that thou forsake me I am utterly undone I shall abide most grievous punishment F Thou wast to flie rather to God without whom no counsell doth prevaile from whom also all helpe is both to be sought hoped for B The matter is very manyfest and I omitted not the duty of prayer before I came to thee but nevertheles that our most mercifull father will have us to use those helps which he himselfe doth offer unto us give as it were into our hand wherefore I pray thee according to our most faithfull friendship that thou helpe me now by thy counsell Here is no place of delaying or of lingring therefore bend thy forces hither undertake this cause I pray thee F Sith that thou art so instant that thou seemest after a sort to inforce me I will speake from my heart and truly what I think Knowest thou our masters nature B I know it as I thinke in some part F Thou then remembrest that there is none more milde then he to them especially whom he seeth to be submisse and to confesse their fact ingenuously but he will scarcely pardon any thing to proud and stubborn boyes B I my selfe have observed these things not once F Therefore doest thou know what to doe B I pray thee tell me F Whilest all is as yet well I advise thee to go alone to the man into his study and have speech to this purpose Loe most curteous master I have offended grievosly I confesse but as you know it is the first fault that I have committed for I never did any thing before which might seeme worthy stripes Wherefore most gentle master you shall pardon this first fault if it please you for my former innocency If so be that I shall fall backe ever hereafter I will alledge no excuse but will bee beaten most severely Thou shalt over-intreat him as I hope by this or the like speech B O wise and fit counsell F Use it if it seeme good unto thee Surely it is such as I would have given to me in such a like evill B But one thing remaineth concerning which I am carefull F Hoe what remaineth B I can not speake so briefly and fitly in the presence of my master as thou hast spoken now F Thou shouldest not be so carefull concerning my words so that thou knowest my meaning B I know it in a manner F It is well write it now in a plain manner as thou canst and then we will conferre together afterwards thou shalt learn it without book diligently to a word B There is nothing neither more safe nor more certaine then this but what time doest thou thinke that he may be gone unto fitly F As soone as thou shalt see him after dinner to goe into the library for if peradventure he shall go alone as he is wont to walke in the orchard then follow him straightway B What preface shall I use then F There is no need of any other then which all of us are wont to use with him B What is that F Master may I speake a word or two unto you B God prosper well all thy counsell now I goe to write that which thou hast said and then I will see thee againe F Make haste for dinner time is at hand The 27. Dialogue Ambrose Gratian. GRatian thou seemest to me somwhat sad what is the matter G I thinke day night of my father being absent and I am spent with grief in the meane time for that cause A How long hath he been away G. Now foure moneths A Hath he written nothing to you in the meane time G We have not heard indeed a word since he departed A It may be that he hath written but his letters either have been lost or they have been intercepted G That which thou sayest is like to be true for before he was wont to write unto us whersoever he was A Went he not to Paris this summer G Surely he then went forward with that purpose A I trust that he is safe G I also do not distrust but my griefe is not eased thereby A What saith thy mother G She doth mourn almost continually thereupon it commeth to passe that my griefe is doubled A. But neverthelesse thou oughtest not to torment thy selfe so very much for it behoveth rather to hope well of him then to torment thy selfe so for what are foure moneths How many are there of them who are away frō home so many yeares being tossed in the meane time by divers chances by so many dangers But what do the chances and perils of other men comfort me A Neverthelesse see that thou be not over nice who canst not forbeare the desire of thy father so little a time G I indeede could take it patiently so that I could understand at least that he is well A Who can doe amisse who hath placed all his hope in God for whether we live or whether we die we are alwaies the Lords as S. Paul saith G I doubt nothing but that is most true but such is the infirmitie of this flesh A Therefore what should he
tarry untill * dimission * it to be * is not set or put r doth not consist * arbitrement s pleasure or appointment * nod * The shoo maker let him not meddle * panto●les u The very same our master * not once * savour or understand b a thing too high c He useth that also oft * Thou shalt not seeke out too deepe matters for thee * a signe to be given f sance-bell * beate my eares as yet h be away * to prayer i take my leave of thee k going away * of walnuts k adverse or crosse * it to have fallen out * willing or pleasing * that thing m happen * care for or regard o pastimes or games of boyes p is done * the divine providence * what dost thou play the Philosopher even so * And who or who I pray thee * so oft r what meanest thou t I have but aweake memory * flowing or slippery to me * turning our selves * those u woe is me wretch x retchlesse y goe to God * minde * whole power a daily ordinarily or very often * with a godly affection b with good men or honest scholars * effect or make * manners d the good to be thy friends e what benefit shall I reape * at length f pitty g gentlenesse clemency h to be changed * fit * this meeting hath beene i I pray thee * It shall not stand by me as oft as it shall be lawfull to us both by our leisure l we may attend n very hearty thanks * not a cause * betake our selves o schoole or place of hearing Al. Aegidius Massuerius p sprinckle or strew * the cause of my minde * I had taken * a little shell or vessell * oughtest thou to doe evill * pleasure or cause of thy minde * an evill thing * with thy feet * most needfull r And God hath created rr I love pease well or I can eate ●ease well * willingly s no not at all * By so much t goods or matters * well enough * rightly * Therefore why * fondnesse * thereunto x rightly y thou speakest not from thy * minde * see thou doe not accuse me or complaine of me z free will * himselfe to will so b bring up no mans name or complaine of none c so that he shal c. Al. Aegidius * owe thi benefit to thee * under this name * pray to God * daily f foure or five times each day * it is prayed of us * meate is taken * it is gone to bed * it is risen g from lying downe * those * depart or separate himselfe h at some times i for himselfe * for the cause of praying Al. to pray for himselfe k hast thou not remembred it l for children to accustome themselves * to that thing * processe m we are to hope so * to be so * if yet n proceed diligently † what o What cause was there p art come backe r any longer q was a banket s ta●ried † the reliques † in dinner t banket u companion or kinsman † brought † thy uneles sonne x kept † retained or holden backe y a day or two † for one or another day z repaired † that garments may be amended to him a idle † that b banket † shew or relate to me c concerning the feast † doest ●hou covet or desire to know † have been strangers f magnificall or ve●y rich g ba●ket h Syndici officers having charg to deale in the affaires of the cō●onwealth with any for●aine Prince † costly † under governor or depu●y i men of principall condition * of the face or countenance * there were two of the familiar friends of my uncle * which in number o marked * number or ranke or order he sat * of the contrary part of my uncle * But thou s Alasse * little man or dwarfe t poore boy or little childe * honorable * besides the wife of my uncle * in the utmost table x did she sit so low or so far off * eftsoones * fitly y ministery or to see the service well performed * I hav● heard enough a to heare thee concerning * great * hard c a little more * give my diligence d of some sort * thing very acceptable to e a very good turne * when thou shalt have fit opportunity * nothing * that thou doubt * the narration g under the shadow * Heare even now * narration * houres * it was sit downe of them i when rose they * was it risen * commodiously k handsomly * the preludes or preambles l flourishes or things going before the feast or the first service m Begin * are n cracknels baked o a pleasant wine brued with spices * The best * apt to get their mindes or affections * lest memory be troubled to me q be hindred r to aske of s ●●lt●d gammons or pestiles of porke * of bacon salted t dryed in the smoke * to sharpen x to make them taste their drinke * sharpned enough * learned banketters * proceed further z moreover * manner * intrailes 〈◊〉 garvage a mixed meate * entrances * messe * Is it drunke nothing in the meane while * unworthy or unbeseeming or unfit * most lust●e or strong e did suffice f to fill drinke * deale g permit or give thee leave h course * these for most part k pasties * wethers mut●on l new * swines flesh d pottage of flesh * sweetly * ve●iuyce of unripe grapes or fruit not ripe * pot hearbs m ghesse * it to have been ta●ked mo●e then eaten * to wit be cause o meates on the table * are * those q service r served up * yong geese crammed * incrusted by the bakers worke t baked in a crust or in paste * cast betweene with a leve rate u a leverate or young hare betweene two partriches x in the husks or cod● * what nothing of fish y putst me in minde * a huge trout a was b pickerell c menowes pinkes or gogions d rosted e c●ay fishes of the river f for shew then need * to * touched * touched g sauces to dip in h d●sh i sauces to dip in k pr●ty or delica●e * fitted m cunning or most artificially o citrons or lemmons * have there beene * out of oyle p the juyce of sorell q incitements stirring up instigations * of the throate or gullet s hindrances * fable or play t no one * any did eate neither u banketting dishes * in which * most fat delicate * manifold * little cakes y grapes dried in the sunne * banketting dishes used towards bed-time * conserved * meete m● * affluence a store or plenty b
P. Why wentest thou forth C. That I might looke to some businesse concerning which my father had written to me P. Of whom askedst thou leave C. Of the Vsher. P. Why not rather of me C. Because you were busie P. What did I C. You talked with men of chiefe note who had come to talke with you in the court P. Goe thy way now I remember The 6. Dialogue The Master Servant Monitours HOe Martin F. Anon master I am here P. Call me hither the five publike Monitours whom I have chosen yesterday for this moneth knowest thou not F. Very well for I my selfe was present P. I thinke they are every one of them in their place make hast F. I will returne againe very quickly O Master wee are all here What pleaseth it you to command P. It was enough to bid for I am neither Emperour no● Magistrate I bade that you should be sent for hither that I might admonish you of your dutie harken then with attentive eares and mindes you are not ignorant with how great feare of the Lord I choosed you openly yesterday in our common hall wee began with sacred prayers our admonition followed and our exhortation to all the companie of scholars concerning the feare of the Lord and concerning manners which may become studious scholars being conversant dayly in the schoole and then I choosed you five not without the testimony of the best youths whom I thought fit for this function last of all we came to the latter prayer with giving of thanks therefore yee may not think that action in which the name of the Lord was called upon so earnestly to have been a sport or a jest and although this office seeme both vile and abject among the unskilfull or arrogant yet beleeve ye that this your office is both honourable and holy if so be that you shall thinke otherwise it cannot bee that you can doe your function well therefore I exhort you as much as I can and I doe heartily beseech you by Jesus Christ that you performe diligence with the feare and reverence of God in all those things which you shall understand to pertaine to your office therefore let all partiality be far away from you hatred favour study of revenging and the like which carry men overthwart and doe corrupt sincere judgement fear ye not the threats of the wicked who are wont to terrifie young youths of a base minde from doing their office for what power have they over you feare ye him rather who is your Lord who hath power of life and death I say let the feare of him so great a Prince be alwayes before your eyes You shall incurre I know the hatred of some wicked and dissolute boyes but let the love and dearenesse of your heavenly father alone bee of more weight with you than all the ill will of all men Bee yee alwayes mindfull of that word whereby our Saviour and chiefe Master did exhort his owne disciples unto constancie If quoth hee the world hate you know that it hated me also before Therefore esteeme yee as a flocke of wooll all threatnings of knaves offences enmities for Christ himselfe so that you may serve faithfully for the glorie of God These are the things concerning which I have thought good to admonish you now for the shortnesse of the time besides those things which you heard yesterday in the hall The first Monitour O most courteous Master we give you most humble thankes and wee pray Christ that hee may alwayes increase his gifts in you Also we earnestly desire of you that you would give us your exhortation written if it bee not troublesome to you whereby wee reading it over sometimes amongst our selves may fasten it more firmely in memorie P. I will doe that first of all sith that you indeed require a most honest thing The First Monitour Wee wish also to have of you if it please you a little commentarie written concerning the chiefe heads of our office that wee may bee more certaine what is especially to bee observed of us in this behalfe E. Thou admonishest concerning this in very fit time and so I had now of late in my minde but one thing after another hath hindred mee daily Therefore I will give you such a little note to write which may containe whatsoever shall belong unto the duties of the publique Monitours And you shall write that out of my first draught which I will keepe to that end that I may deliver it also to other Monitours to bee hereafter Now returne ye every one into his owne forme Ob. Master we go straight thither The 7. Dialogue Clericus Praeceptor MAster may not I and my cousin goe home P. Whereto C. To the marriage of my cousin germane P. When is shee to be married C. To morrow P. Why will ye go so quickly C. That wee may change our garments P. Yee may goe for mee yet of this condition that yee returne hither to bed to morrow C. What if my Vncle will that wee tarry the latter wedding day P. I know certainly that he will not stay you so that you tell him upon what condition I have let you goe C. We will tell the truth P. Goe your way and beware of all intemperance and cause that your light may shine before all men whereby that our heavenly father may be glorified C. Indeed we hope that it will so come to passe he helping us in all things The 8. Dialogue Rotanus the Master MAster may I goe forth P. What cause hast thou to go forth R. That I may seeke some one of our country men in the market P. What need is there of that R. I will speake to him that hee put my friends in minde either to bring or send me some bread P. Where bread doth faile there all things are to bee sold. R. That is a common proverbe with us P. Yea very common every where bread is so necessary to the life of mortall men But to the matter wilt thou go forth now R. Master if it please you lest I lose the occasion of my businesse P. Go thy way and make haste to returne befo●e dinner R. Indeed
P. Whither G. First to the tailour afterwards to the barbar P. Why to the tailour G. That I may get my stockings amended P. Are they torne G. They are so torne that I can scarce put them on P. Why to the Barbar G. That I may shew him a boyle which I have risen of late in my thigh P. Vncover it that I may see it G. See it seeing it pleaseth you so P. It is a fellon G. I did conjecture so P. When thou hast opened it to the barbar request him to give thee an emplaster fit for an ulcer G. I will doe as you advise P. But is there any who will goe forth with thee G. Yea Iohn Fluvian P. What busines hath hee G. Hee also will goe to the barbar P. Go yee then together and returne likewise G. Will you any thing else P. That you returne quickly left you lose your drinking The 27. Dialogue Latonus The Master MAster may wee have leave to goe forth P. Are ye many who desire to go L. Almost all P. What meaneth this L. There is a market to day thence it is that almost every one will buy something for himselfe P. Now I am busier than that I can inquire into the cause of every ones going forth goe therefore to the sub-doctor who may take notice and himselfe may conduct you if he be at leasure L. Wee thanke you most courteous Master The 28. Dialogue The master Theophilus HAst thou then met with Peter to day T. To day P. Where T. In the Church P. At what a clocke T. At eight in the morning P. Askedst thou him not when he will come to the schoole againe T. I asked him P. What said hee T. I know not quoth he P. Thou shouldest have exhorted him to returne speedily T. I did it and indeed at large P. Thou didst well but what answered hee T. That he was stayed still by his father to gather his fruits P. What if thou write to his father himselfe concerning the state of our schoole for peradventure he will be mooved to send backe his sonne the sooner T. If it shall seeme good so unto you I will doe it and that carefully P. Therefore doe it the very first time but heare write most fully afterwards shew mee thy letters before thou deliver them to bee carried T. Master I will doe it carefully The 29. Dialogue Petavell The Master MAster may I go forth by your leave P. Whither must thou goe Pe. To the Barbar P. Hast thou no other businesse P. To goe from the Barbar to buy points from thence to get me to the Shoo-maker P. Why to the Shoo maker P. That he may put a latcher to one of my shooes P. When wilt thou dispatch all these things P. Within the space of an houre as I hope P. Peradventure there will be many waiting in the Barbars shop P. It may be but if I shall see that I must tarry longer there I will expect untill Saturday P. Is there another who will goe forth P. Pontanus saith that he will buy paper P. Doest thou know that he hath need P. I know it P. Goe yee therefore together both of you care diligently for your owne businesse and be not loyterers P. We will take heed God helping The 30. Dialogue Carbonarius The Master MAy I have leave to goe forth P. Whither C. To the tailour P. Whereto C. That he may take measure of me for a coat P. What stuffe hast thou to make it on C. Blacke cloth P. Where is it C. In my cheft P. But Who is thy tailour C. Peter Sylvius P. Is hee a skilfull workman C. I have heard so and he is knowen of my father who commanded mee to goe to him P. Where dwelleth he C. In the hospitall street P. Is it not very far see that thou runne not up and downe C. I will take heed P. They easily obtaine leave of mee who never deceive me C. GOD forbid that I ever deceive you The 31. Dialogue Luterinus The Master MAster may I speake a word or two P. Speake what thou wilt L. When sometimes you say to some of us where is the bellowes or give mee the bellowes it doth not appeare whether follis be of the Masculine or Feminine Gender P. I confesse it doth not appeare what then L. How therefore can wee know P. Why have you never asked me of this L. We aske so many things so often that wee are afraid lest we should be troublesome to you P. As if indeed I ever make shew of this contrarily I love you so much more as you aske the ofter for what do I more desire than that at length I may see you both notable boyes and most learned L. Most courteous master we give you very hearty thankes P. I my selfe and yee owe that thankes to our God who alone of his goodnesse hath given a good will to both of us L. Hee grant that we may alwayes use this benefit well to his owne glorie But tell us I pray you of what gender is Follis P. Of the masculine L. But I rather would have said that it is of the feminine Gender P. Wherefore L. Because Pellis is such a one which is set downe for an example in our Accidence P. Thou diddest ghesse at that not without cause for words ending in is of which sort this word Pellis is are feminines for the most part L. Not all therefore P. There is scarce any rule so generall which wanteth an exception therefore Follis doth fall under an exception because it is the Masculine gender So some other as ignis piscis axis L. But how may I know them P. Thou shalt easily know them when thou shalt come to the rules of Grammar But in the meane time observe those attentively who speake Latine and apply thy selfe diligently to the imitation of them L. But Master that is long to P. Very goodly buildings are not made but in long time L. Experience teacheth us that But my father would see mee learned in a yeares space P. And I would see it in the space of one day But what doest thou time is to be expected in all things Thy father because he hath no learning knoweth not what learning is worth nor with how great labours it is gotten L. You say the truth but what may
shall I doe P. There is no cause that thou shouldest feare confesse the truth T. What if I shall confesse it P. Hoe beleeve mee I will pardon thee T. Ah it shameth mee P. I pray thee let it not shame thee to confesse the truth otherwise thou shalt be beaten goest thou on to hold thy peace Hoe Monitour goe to his mother to see and aske T. Master I pray you doe not send I will tell you all the matter I will hold backe nothing P. Goe to bee of a good courage T. Indeed it is so as you have said P. This is not enough I will heare all things severally Shew me plainly how the matter standeth T. When the girle commeth to stir me up first I answer nothing as if I sleep● in earnest and then if shee urge me more I lift up my head heavily I sit in my bed I cast my doublet upon my shoulders as being about to arise straightway P. How finely doest thou tell it So God love me I love thee more now than ever I did Proceed T. As soone as the girle is gone out of the chamber then I bow my head backe upon the pillow and put downe my fee● P. Doest thou also sleepe againe T. I indeed sleepe againe well and quietly P. How long T. Vntill our girle come the second time P. When shee returneth what saith shee to thee T. She exclaimeth shee cryeth out shee is madde P. What words doth shee use T. Hoe knave quoth ●hee when wilt thou be in the schoole I will tell thy Master that he may beat thee well thou wilt never rise unlesse thou shalt be stirred up twise or thrise P. Doest thou promise in good sooth that thou wilt doe thy dutie hereafter T. If ever I shall fall backe I will intreat no more pardon but will bee content to bee beaten openly with roddes and that most bitterly P. Indeed thou promisest very well but how wilt thou performe thy promises T. The Lord God helping mee P. By what meanes wilt thou move him T. By faith and by continuall prayers P. Otherwise thou canst obtaine nothing T. Intruth I doe beleeve it P. It is not enough to beleeve it unlesse thou bee carefull to effect it diligently T. I will looke to it with all my power and I will meditate that one thing day and night P. Thou speakest passing well so that yet thou proceed to be mindfull T. How can I forget The Preachers doe never cease to admonish of that you ●lso master doe exhort us almost dayly un●o it and you doe well because we are all very negligent But I the chiefe of all P. Therefore doe thy indeavour that thou first of all change these manners and remember especially s to be alwayes a speaker of truth T. God grant that I never lye P. Oh how happy shouldest thou be T. I shall be happy enough presently if onely you shall set me free P. I will doe what I have promised thee but of that condition that thou remember thy promise and that thou performe indeed like as now thou hast undertaken to mee T. Therefore what remaineth that I may goe away free P. Yea something remaineth tarry and heare presently T. Master as long as you will P. Amongst other things it is meet that thou shake off that sluggishnesse which is wont to hold thee in thy bed for it doth not become a studious youth to bee sleepy and sluggish but to bee cheerefull and soone awaked as thou seest some of thy schoole-fellowes Doest thou not remember the divine precept of Peter the Apostle T. What is that P. Bee yee sober quoth hee and watch T. O how oft had I heard it but alas I never used it P. See that thou use it carefully hereafter neither that onely but other precepts of living well which thou hast heard so oft which thing indeed if thou shalt diligently performe thou shalt provide well for thy selfe especially thou shalt bee pleasant to thy parents also to me and to thy schoole-fellowes and to conclude that which is the chiefe thou shalt bee deare to God who will promote thy studies every day more to the glory of his name T. O How great fruit doe I perceive by this your admonition P. Truly I rejoyce exceedingly both for thine owne sake and the sake of thy schoole-f●llowes T. What if you shew them my repentance P. I indeed will shew it presently that they may learne by thy example nothing to bee more acceptable to God than to acknowledge our fault and to returne to amendment Sonne farewell and be present at three of the clock in the auditorie T. Most loving Master I give you very great thanks The end of the third Booke THE FOURTH Booke of Scholasticall Dialogues Containing somewhat more grave matters especially in manners and in Christian doctrine The first Dialogue Perialdus Samuel SAmuel I pray thee helpe me a little S. What is it P. I know not what hath fallen into my eie which troubleth me very ill S. Into whether eye hath it fallen P. Into my right eye S. Wilt thou that I looke into it P. Of all love looke into it S. Open it as much as thou canst and hold it immoveable P. I cannot hold it from twinkling S. Tarrie I my selfe will hold it with my left hand P. Doest thou see any thing S. I see some little thing P. I pray thee pull it forth if thou canst S. But I have plucked it forth already P. O well done what is it S. See thou thy selfe P. It is a mote of dust S. And in truth so very little that it can scarce be seen P. See how much griefe so little a thing can bring to the eyes S. Truly it is no marvell for none of the outward members is said to be more tender than the eye Thereupon also it commeth to passe that we may find by experience nothing to bee more deare unto us P. God doth approve this when speaking of his love towards us in Zachary in the second chapter hee speaketh thus Hee that toucheth you toucheth the apple of mine eye S. O the immeasurable goodnesse of God who loveth us so dearly P. Is not mine eye very red S. Somewhat to wit because thou hast rubbed it P. Doest thou not beleeve that it paineth mee still S. How can I but beleeve it who have had experience of such trouble so oft P. Experience is the
performe their duty in the schoole P. Thence it commeth to passe that the head-masters themselves doe complaine sometimes of such under-masters But what doe we Let us returne to our determined speech I. It liketh me well P. Hast thou beene alwayes imployed in gathering grapes I. That worke is finished in a few dayes for that so great a number of workfolks is wont to be imployed about it P. What is done after I. The grapes are trodden the wine is drawne out of greater vessels and is powred withall into hogs-heads afterwards the grapes themselves not yet sufficiently pressed out are put again into the wine-presse last of all the kernels of the grapes are carried out cast away P. But thou didst not looke to these things I. Yea I looked to them somewhat for I was present in doing all things especially that I might solicite the workes P. Thou wast then unto them as a ruler and as a master of the worke I. Yea I was indeed a master overseer of the works for my father had preferred me P. How didst thou reioyce in this office How goodly a thing was it to see thee with thy gravity commanding some exhorting others and to conclude blaming others I Truely if thou hadst then seen mee thou wouldest had said that I had been another than a scholar in the schoole P. As I see thou wast not idle I. Yea I as a good governour of a family did oft times put my hands to the worke that I might stirre up the workfolks themselves by my example P. Thy father as appeareth had preferred thee to this office not without cause I. Verily because he had tryed my diligence in other matters P. Yet be it spoken without bragging I. I understand so but I speake so freely because I talke with my familiar friend P. But let us proceed What store of wine have you I. Indifferent as it is said to bee almost every where this yeere although we have claret wine plentifully yet white not so But whatsoever it is we are content and we doe receive it from the hand of the Lord with giving of thanks P. How many hogs heads have you filled I. Forty more or lesse but some are greater than others P. Wonderfull doth it not seeme to thee a great increase I. Enough indeed but not in respect of the former yeare P. What skilleth it The lesse quātity there is the more it will be sold for I. It is wont to fall out so commonly But doest thou not thinke that I have spoken sufficiently concerning the vintages what dost thou desire moreover P. Because we may tend so well I desire to heare also something of thee concerning the fruits of trees for it is as it were another vintage Have yee not many I. We have them in full lofts such is the bounty of God P. When were they gathered I. Our family did gather them when we made wine· P. What kindes of such like fruits have you I. Apples peares chestnuts walnuts but there is great variety of apples and peares P. What quinces have ye not them also I. Yea we have but those are contained under the kinde of apples wherupon they are called by another name quince-apples P. And what hast thou brought now returning hither I. Nothing but a hand-basket of choyse grapes but apples peares chestnuts shall be brought mee by sackfuls every weeke hereafter P. In the meane time give me I pray thee some of thy grapes I. Let us goe into my chamber there I will give thee P. I indeed am ready let us goe I. There also wee will talke of repeating the last dialogue against monday for as I thinke our master will exact that especially The 17. Dialogue Eustathius Boscovellus I Heard that thy father came to the schoole to day B. Thou heardest the truth E. For what cause came hee B. That he might pay money to my master for my dyet and withal that he might commend me unto him E. Had he never commended thee B. Yea very often E. What meaneth he by this so often commendation B. He loveth me unfainedly E. What then B. Hee therefore desires that I should be diligently taught E. What if he cōmend thee that thou maist be beaten the oftner B. Peradventure that is the cause but what then he doth not therfore love me the lesse E. From whence dost thou gather this B. Because correction is as necessary for a childe as meate E. Indeed thou saiest truth but few doe judge so for there is none but he had rather have bread then a rod. B. That is naturall to al who doth deny it but notwithstanding correction is to be born patiently especially just E. This sentence is in the little booke appertaining to manners Remember to suffer patiently what things thou sufferest deservedly But what if the correction be unjust B. That also is to be suffered neverthelesse E. For whose cause B. For Iesus Christ who suffered a most unjust death and that most bitter for our sinnes E. I would to God that might come into our minde as oft as we suffer any thing B. Our Master doth oft admonish us of that as oft as occasion doth offer it selfe but a tale is told in vaine to deafe men as it is in the Proverbe E. Therefore let us doe our indevour that we may be more diligent hereafter B. God grant so The 18. Dialogue Grandine Thomas WHy wast thou not present at this daies Sermon T. I was busie in writing Letters G. Couldest thou not deferre thy businesse T. The haste of the carrier did urge me G. But our master teacheth us that al things are to be set after the businesse of God T. He teacheth it indeed neither doe I doubt of that but we are never so perfect but we oft times set God after these earthly things G. That is evill T. Truely it is very evill but we are alwayes men except God shall ●hange us by his spirit But I pray thee tell me was there a frequent auditory G. Not very great according to the ancient manner T. How commeth that to passe G. Knowest thou not that the people are now busie in gathering their grapes T. I am not ignorant of it but cannot men bestow one onely houre in divine matters G. It is not my part to give thee an
doe who hath no hope in Christ G I know not A But yet take heed lest God himselfe be offended by this thy impatience G I ever now and then acknowledge my fault and do humbly beg pardon A Thou doest as thou oughtest But heare I pray thee what hath come now into my minde G What is that A What if thy father have sayled into Brittaine for trafick for there is now the greatest freedome G What freedome doest thou meane A Of the Gospel which is heard there most freely G Sayest thou that the Gospell is now in Britaine A The matter is sure G And that idolatry is driven out A Yea verely G O glad tidings joyfull to be heard of A Yea most joyfull G But from whence knowest thou these things A Doest thou aske from whence I know them I marvell that thou knowest not that as yet which all men talk of G Thou wilt cease to marvel if thou know'st where we dwell A Where I pray thee G In the most remote corner of the whole citie A But I thought that you had dwelt in the street at Molardus G We had flitted before that time that my father went out of his own country A Know therefore now for a certaine that that is most true which thou knewest not before and that thou mai●st beleeve it the rather heare this moreover The greater part of the Britaine 's who had fled into this city as unto a sanctuary for the Gospell do go backe now into their countrey before fifteene dayes G Oh my Ambrose how much hast thou reviued me this day with this message concerning the state of Britain what a remedy hast thou ministred to my griefe A So our God is wont to bee present to his in their extreamest straits G It is marvell if my father be not in Britaine for he complained very often a good while agoe that there was not a free passage thither to go about merchandize A Moreover a certaine Britaine no meane man nor of small credit shewed my father of late that he had received certaine letters from thence in which this was amongst other things All every where who had fled for the name of Christ to be received againe most courteously even in Britanne and to be used most kindly G What cause is there then that wee doubt any more A No doubt remaineth as thou hearest concerning that matter G Onely it remaineth that we extoll especially the goodnesse of God the best and the greatest with as great prayse and thanksgiving as we can and that we pray earnestly and continually that he may not onely confirme his benefits but also may encrease them more and more dayly A Therefore my Gratian see that thou remember to commend the health of thy father to God thorow Christ very often and that by most ardent vowes and prayers G. God grant he may so incline my heart by his Spirit that I may bee able to powre out from the bottome of my heart such like prayers which he may vouchsafe to heare A It is a most holy vow so that which in truth I beleeve it be come from the heart G. O our God the marvellous comforter O how much doth the counsell and comfort of a true friend availe in adversity A But whither goest thou now G I make hast * straight home that I may shew these things to my mother very quickly and may fill her mind with all joy A. God grant that she may be thorowly cheared G So I pray The 28. Dialogue Dessynangaeus Ionas O Jonah most wished for of all men God save thee I And O most pleasant vinteger God saue thee D. How is the schoole I. Passing well D. Haue many returned already I. Scarsly a fourth part is away now D What is done I they teach they reade theywrite they repeate D. These are general and dayly things but what is done in our forme I The same which is done in the rest and which was done before the vacation D Are then the lessons had now in earnest I Now eight daies ago for what other thing should be done D Wee were wont to be exercised for certain dayes in repeating those things which we had l●arned before I No other thing was done for three whole dayes D What the probation is it now begun I Alasse begun It is ended almost the sixt form shal be posed to morrow D Me wretch I am excluded from a reward I Yea indeed didst thou hope for a reward D What if I did hope every one may hope especially being studious I I had rather hope for nothing D Why so I For if there shall nothing happen there shall be no frustrating my hope nor griefe but if I shall obtain any thing I shall account it gained D Hast thou never read I have seene him to live in hope who was about to die ● Yea I have read it oft and I do remember it but this is nothing to the purpose D Why not I Because Ovid speakes there of that hope which is to be kept in adversitie which sence our Cato hath expressed in this distich Doe not cast downe thy minde in adversity Retain hope onely hope doth not leave a man in death D Hopest thou then for nothing I I hope for life everlasting D Thou saydest even now that we were to trust only in adversity what doest thou account adversitie I Those things which doe fight against me daily D What are those I pray thee I mine owne flesh Satan and wicked men who do injure me D Since what time art thou made a smattering divine I I am neither divine nor smatter in divinity but what I say that I have learned out of the holy sermons D I indeed doe praise thee but goe to tell me in good earnest is the probation of our forme done I Now thinke c that I speak to thee in good earnest D It grieveth me that I was not present I Thou shouldest have come sooner what didst thou D My mother compelled me to tarry the end of the vintage I I beleeve it but thou hast been compelled by thine owne will D That I may cōfesse ingenuously I tarried willingly But what meanest thou we are men as they say I Yea we are boyes D But thou canst
I confesse it but it was a light lie S Nothing is to be judged light whereby God is offended O I cannot deny that but he doth easily remit unto us these light faults for Jesus Christ who is our intercessour and advocate for who doth not offend daily very often S In truth none moreover we do scarcely pray or do any good thing in which there is not some shew of sin O Therfore what should become of us except God should pardon easily whereupon also we praying daily do say Forgive us our trespasses S We ought not to doubt but that he will forgive us if we acknowledge our faults earnestly and truely if we desire pardon from our heart if we trust that we shall be pardoned O What remaineth then S That remaineth that we neither be delighted in sinnes neither persist in them neither that we commit sin peevishly wittingly and of a set purpose for there are over-many things which we commit thorow infirmity of the flesh or also thorow ignorance O I do nothing doubt concerning those sinnes which we commit thorow weaknes of the flesh as was the deniall of Peter but how commeth it to passe that we sin by ignorance S Concerning this we have the example of Paul who writing to Timothy in his former epistle doth confesse openly himselfe although he persecuted the Church of God yet to have obtained pardon because he did it ignorantly O Thou hast satisfied me a bundantly in this example for I also do remember that I have read it but doest thou know in what chapter of the Epistle it is written S In truth I am not wont to trouble my memory in retaining the numbers of the chapters it seemeth to be enough to me at this time to note some sentences as it were hastily which I may commit to memory if in the meane time I can steale any leasure from the daily imployment of our present studies O I would to God I also could do that S What doth hinder thee O I can scarcely satisfie my master in my scholasticall exercises it is so far away that any time can be granted to be bestowed in other studies S Indeed we are daily * sufficiently imployed but neverthelesse these things are to be borne as long as it shall seeme to God himselfe and to our parents that we have need O I therefore beare willingly and indure all such labors S With what hope dost thou indure them O Because I hope it will come to passe that they may be the first steps by which I may come at length unto greater But concerning these matters in moe words at other times now let us do that which is at hand O What is that S Doest thou heare the signe to be given to supper O Thou tellest me a good signe I did already feele my selfe an hungry S Doubtlesse because thou omittedst thy drinking O I would to God I could abstaine alwaies so easily from it as I was without it willingly to day S But I cannot be well without it unlesse I shall be occupied in necessary bu●sinesse The 34. Dialogue Phrygio Stephen O Most wished walker God save thee S And thou most busie loyterer God save thee P My Stephen art thou in good health S Yea passing well such is the bounty of the best and the greatest God P In truth I doe rejoyce from my heart and I do exceedingly congratulate vnto thee this thy safe returne where hast thou been this whole yeare S In Italy P Why resolvedst thou to goe thither S For the fame of the country concerning which so many things are spoken every where neither art thou ignorant how desirous we are of newes P Our nature is such but what foundest thou there S Truly many moe things then I had heard by the fame P But I beleeve thou sawest many things which thou wouldest not S Yea indeed wickednesse but as for the countrey it is a land exceeding fertile very aboundant with every kinde of the best fruits especially with most excellent wine P Verely that did please thee chiefly S That I may confesse the truth it did please my taste marvellously for of what sort saiest thou that this our wine is thou mayest call it truely small wine if thou compare it with that P Thereupon it did offer it selfe unto thee as a goodly argument of praising God S A most notable argument for I thought thus oftentimes O Lord God how good art thou who hast loved vs so as thou hast given us dainties for thou hast not onely created those things for us for food which the earth doth bring forth of the own accord but also so many kindes of most delicate things which if we take moderately and with giving of thankes doe both nourish the body most pleasantly and do marvellously cheere up the mind it selfe O in what wordes with what workes may we glorifie thy name worthily enough O Lord To conclude I was so ravished in minde that I did covet nothing more then to have the praises of God alwaies in my mouth but alasse one or other cogitations comming into my minde ever and anone that fire was quenched by little and little P That is no newes with me for oftētimes some such thing is wont to happen unto me S Such is the unconstancy of our nature P We try this by experience almost every houre but I pray thee what didst thou in thy Italy S I visited for my minde sake some more famous cities I studied also in some places a little while P What cities sawest thou especially S Truely I saw many in my passage but I viewed but a few at leasure to wit Genua Florence Venice lastly that Rome which was called in time past the head of the world but now is the fountaine and originall of all abhominations P Sawest thou not that great beast S I saw her by the way when she was carried thorow the streets I thinke to bee beholden of all P But that wee may turne to the matter in what townes I pray thee stayedst thou for the cause of thy study S Returning from Rome I passed thorow Bononia Padway Myllane I coversed in every one of those townes about three moneths in sundry kindes of learning for I desired to taste as it were a little of every one P And
thoughts I have had * in these days * I thinke h to set my selfe to the schoole * for the cause of dwelling * I may inhabite * inmate or tenant l diet * my Master * saydest * minde p as thou thinkest q know † me to have beene wont neither to faine not dissemble nothing with thee s at all t I have knowne fully c. † now u but assoone as I heard that word † snatched me x passionate crying out y I did so wholly forget z it no otherwise a inforce or urge me * that thing to please him chiefly c this is the cause † liberall wi●● d that ingenuous dispositions are c. * to will * led † that to be done e guidance or direction * divine power * sentence * hang f incline to that part g of mine owne selfe h reason or token i I have thought so k th●re unto of * almost * meanes to escape devices * sh●ft ●ff m avoid or escape * authority or command o frankly p proved or found by experience q I began to be a scholar r bond slaves drudges * taken captives by Sathan * discipline s to goe t a mill wherein to grinde as horses do· u upon any such a knave * with hands and feet * to terrifie or feare thee * revealed it or laid it open * had * That thou speakest it to me * make manifest or publish z that phrase † fell from me a beseech b goe on with dexterity or lustily c sentence * victuall food dyet or meat e master f usher * facilitie g mildenesse h our master * living together i freedome of talking together k at meet opportunity * told me many things ●now * continuall l benefit or commoditie m reproove n in that contention * the victors also * are graced with a reward or have a reward bestowed upon them * would to God p shortly or every day q I have onely one doubt * scruple r thou canst free me * in good faith s in truth * scruple u at length * your scholasticall discipline is suspected unto me x schoole government y leave off z for that cause * like to be true b the vulgar sort * of men * worst things c doth the common ●ort so d schoole-government e is so ill spoken of f simple people * any one to be * dwell * the worse we heare * the moe by so much † come together i a colourable or cunning entrance into the minde of the hearer k scarre me l I perceive * accomplisht them * turne thy minde to the matter * speake n I shall thinke to be of weight * I would that thou perswade thy selfe that our master to be p gentle or m●lde q he l●veth or carrieth himselfe * sometime r he reported it * a scholasticall company * indued with so divers manners u neither could x kept in y in obedience * manner * by his owne arbitrement z as he thought good * most often b that there is c in the whole schoole * seene ever d schooles in the village e marked them well f common schooles or meaner g 〈◊〉 lest 〈◊〉 be h an oratour of Asia i to go further from the purpose * erre * but * thou * troublest 〈◊〉 k pursue or goe thorow the whole * in summe briefly m private government of your house * please very greatly n benefit * matter o state p retchlesse * be safe to us r violence or iniuries * malepart * quiet or safetie could be to us t tranquillitie * true lovers of studies x bulwarke or strong hold * even as y would be quiet a lover of peace z from correction or severity * beating a studies a of good letters b induce vs leade us or perswade us * liberall or courteous † handling or dealing d civilitie or kindnesse e gentlenesse or easinesse of manners * studies g disposed * it studieth or a greater part studieth i heartily k taketh heed or avoideth l honoreth m doe the office n worthy stripes or to be beaten each houre o worse then a toad p correction * added q for very necessitie r whither * doth look appertaine s amend t drive out u bad manners x I am so far off from fearing it * kisse sweetly or embrace or am in love with y freedom * speaking * added more sharp spurs to me z given or put to goades or spurs or prickes * but I doe humbly thanke our heavenly father b looke for me c commend earnestly to Christ. d beginning * againe and againe * I pray againe e I wish to thee * rest * What is it f sorrowfull or heavie * me wretch g woe is me wretch * able or partaker of my mind k tooke us tardie or found us faultie * whether in theft * not at all of nations l junketing bozling swilling tipling * unworthy * me wretch me wretch m Alas do not trouble or afflict thy selfe so greatly * afflict not * lost naughty lived past hope r inforced me * in the chamber of Fluvian t I wish * how were ye caught at length * roomes whereunto are sundry keyes or such as whereunto there is onely one common key * him to have tome to c. u to have met the brethren to day * had set againe the bar to the doore z made the doore fast * hath it selfe * happened * God willing or pleasing so * perswaded so altogether b ascribe * things c whatsoever falleth out cc foresight d want of wisdome or of forecast or of forecast or over sight * By what c. e began you * which g guests h delicates or dainties i food or provision * perished by the way * by my leasure or when I attend m they had biden * this banket * It was unhappy c. * not n wine too much o se●kins or little barrels * in the cellar of our master p banquetting or revelling so † burne with anger most grievosly s smiling somewhat * I desire to be of this drinking together or banquetting o● feast x amazed * wax dumbe * that being spoken * he snatched himselfe away or withdrew himselfe straightway * the worst * who judgeth not so * behoveth * our master to c. z understood a I suspect one * shewed us b made us known c after all done d helpe e mischiefe f who feasted together g carefull nothing at all * a cause h ready i what can they shew † at length k we went to breakfast will they say because * nourishment l provision m somwhat n escape so * to be done * triclinium was a chamber with a table and three beds to rest on after meat o make 〈◊〉 more